Let's just say for example you were able to travel at the

Well... yeah.

Everything that moves has a speed relative to everything else that mives

EXCEPT LIGHT.

So the question really is, are yiu just moving at the speed of light or are you actually light?

Blackholes dont even stop time and they suck Light

>>714798339
That's gravity, not time.

>>714797742
Are you trying to ask if light is bound by time? Moreover, are you trying to ask if light is bound by time because of it's speed?

>>714798059
This nigga right here.
I like you.

>>714797742
It you were traveling the speed of light he would appear stopped to you. So you would effectively be stopping time on him first.

>>714797742
Speed of light is an approximate rate, so yeah you would stop, it takes light 8 minutes to get from the sun to earth so say DIO (since he can't physically get hurt) were to start at the sun, and use the world From the sun to earth, ( just go with it), stop at Venus, high five kars, and fuck your girlfriend, than start time again, he would still get here before light would, theoretically if you stopped time you wouldn't be able to see since light was also stopped

>>714798431
Pucci

>>714798059
I was asking as if you were moving not that you became light. And I'm starting to see it now

Another if you are moving at the speed of light aren't you practically light?

>>714799820
It's possible to move faster than light, but it's impossible for objects composed of matterr to do so

>>714800012
Thank you

>>714800012
Does that mean only waves can? Or can particles be subject to that?

>>714797742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8DdkM2Wqo

>>714799597
Underrated post.

>>714800275
no, waves travel at speed of light, nothing can travel faster

>>714797742
>>714799319
that guy got it right op, relativistically his time already stopped the instant you started traveling the speed of light (c), problemo of traveling at c is nothing with mass can go c, you essentially leak all matter as energy before hitting c and all that remains are excited photons, basically if you go the speed of light you had better get a power that reforms you on the other end cause now your just a pile of photons, also if we use physics for super powers then anyone stopping time would stop it in a bubble expanding at a rate of c so no because you are going the same velocity you would never get stopped even if the guys time never stopped for you for some ungodly reason

>>714797742
if you travel at the speed of light, for you it will look like the time is stopped, and from that person view your time will be slower(i dont know if its correc to say that from his perspectiv your time will be stopped or just slower)

Well, time is derived from movement so you would stop moving.

>>714797742
That's a stupid question, you don't need another nigga with superpowers, moving at the speed of light would stop the time for you

>>714797742
Time is a human construct.

>>714798059
This is false

>>714801405
Just say celeritas you fucking dip. You look like a 6th grader.

>>714800012
>it's possible to move faster than light
>areyousureaboutthat.meme

lets call time A and lightspeed B

A+B=AB
time equals speed
you cant add a"time" onto a "speed"

>>714804227
This is not an argument.

>>714798916
Yes

>>714800012
Actually, its just anything with mass
All massless particles / waves move at the speed of light. As far as I know, the mass doesnt have to occupy any space.

>>714801960
It is correct to say that moving at the speed of light would make everything around you seem incredibly slow but not stopped. Otherwise, that would mean that the speed of light is not dependent on time which is simply not true.

It takes light 8.5 minutes to get here from the sun. If the speed that light travels was not dependent on time then it would take 0 minutes. Simple physics will also tell you that speed and velocity are both reliant on change over time.

>>714800275
You can describe any matter as a wave with h / mv
The question is moot because all matter and photons experience particle-wave duality.

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>>714804416
if science ever advances to it, negative matter propulsion would allow a capable object to travel faster than light in theory

>>714797742
Photons dont experience time.
From their perspective, they reach their destination the instant theyre created (due to the time dilation from the lorentz transformation being infinite)

>>714805742
Thats not ftl, thats just shrinking the space in front of you

Same with wormholes, the displacement might be great, but the distance covered during that time is subluminal

>>714798339
Well we dont know what happens at the singarity

It might stop time there

Something cool to think about is that when you pass the schwartzchild radius, space becomes time-like (one-directional). Here does time become more spacelike? Could you travel backwards in time here?

>>714800012
Well baited ;)
If, in the future, we somehow discover something that travels faster than light you can rub it in our faces, but as far as our current model of the universe states that the speed limit is c, 3*10^8 m/s, no more

Reading all this made me think, a light year is calculated using the year that light gets to get somewhere or the relative time of us? Sorry if its a dumb question but i havent studied this in my life

>>714800012
No its not you fucking idiot. In the known universe it is not possible to go faster than light. Don't start talking about neutrinos either.

>>714797742
Yes.
You can think of it as a car falling of a cliff. If you pause time, does the car keep falling? Does it hit the floor? No, its suspended in the air.

If you pause time one second after the creation of a photon (assuming you are the photon) you would stop relative to the time stopper, but from your perspective, nothing would happen as the universe and you would have been stopped in time.

this thread is giving me dementia

>>714807096
Distance light travels in a year.
Its the same no matter where you are or what your velocity is in any direction, thats why its weird.

Its almost like the universe stretches space / time to make the speed of light constant no matter your frame of reference.

>>714797742
if you are moving at the speed of light through spacetime without resorting to any spatial distortion trickery like an Alcubierre drive, time will already be frozen for you - the moment you go lightspeed, you are effectively frozen in time, and you'll only unfreeze once you slow down below lightspeed.

If someone were to stop time, it wouldn't matter how fast you were moving or which means of propulsion you were using - stopped time is stopped time, in any frame of reference.

>>714806495
> when you pass the schwartzchild radius, space becomes time-like (one-directional).

No it doesn't. There is a difference between the speed needed to escape being unattainable by any means we know (or even being physically impossible to attain), and space itself becoming one directional. If something could move faster than light, space within the radius would not prevent it from moving away from the singularity.

>>714804416
Take a laser pointer and shoot it across the full moon. On the moon's surface somewhere there will be an image of the laser dot that will cross the moon's surface. Scan past fast enough and that image will have travelled faster than the speed of light across the moon's surface which is allowed because no actual matter travelled FTL, only the projection of the laser, and no information was imparted by the path of the image also.

>>714797742
yes

>>714805616
>It is correct to say that moving at the speed of light would make everything around you seem incredibly slow but not stopped.

At C, there is no time. You can say that photons don't decay into other particles for this reason.

>If the speed that light travels was not dependent on time then it would take 0 minutes.

The speed of light in a vacuum is constant in time, dC/dt = 0.

>>714809085
This is about as true as someone holding a flashlight out a moving car and claiming its faster than normal light.

>>714808440
I am mistaken, I understood it differently.

>>714808440
From wikipedia for event horizon
"However, a more accurate description is that within this horizon, all lightlike paths (paths that light could take) and hence all paths in the forward light cones of particles within the horizon, are warped so as to fall farther into the hole. Once a particle is inside the horizon, moving into the hole is as inevitable as moving forward in time, and can actually be thought of as equivalent to doing so, depending on the spacetime coordinate system used"

>>714803814
This guy gets it

>>714812144
Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_horizon
Mentions spacelike differentiation wrt time

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>>714797742
We havent even proven "dark matter". Im starting to think Einstein was a faggot and just a tool to fuck over science. Tesla was WAY smarter then Einstein and he said its impossible to travel at the speed of lighr. Remember the losers never write the history books. Sometimes "learning what they teach" takes away "learning from what you observe". Dont be a fuckin lemming.

>>714812624
Tesla was insane and delusional. He didn't contribute to science nearly as much as he did to engineering / technology. Also I assume previous research and theories are correct because I can't be assed to go to the beginning of the renaissance to develop all the required fields over the next hundreds of years to end up probably having the same results as those before me.

>>714812624
Next youre going to tell me that all science is pointless because what we observe may or may not be what is real and that we're all living in Plato's cave

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>>714813091
So as a scientist, you would rather follow what is "known" even if its wrong instead of a famous scientist that discovers something "new"? You would help humanity. Thats why we dont have great scientists anymore. Conformity is a sin to the masses. Also, why do you say Tesla is "crazy". Id be pretty crazy too if i was surrounded by fuckinf retarded idiots all day. Think how hard it would be to be the smartest person ever and people just dont get it. Of course people are gonna say he is "crazy". Crazy is dismissive. Its a way of avoiding what we dont wanna try and understand.

>>714812624
"We havent even proven dark matter"
You do it then.
Science isnt some religion or cult, its a method of investigation, that's it.
If our observations end up telling us that the entire universe is ponies fucking each other, than the standard model will be dropped and replaced with a more appropriate one

Like it has been before, many many times.

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>>714813258
No definitely not. But i also think we should think for ourselves outside of academia.

>>714812624
>We havent even proven "dark matter".

We? I don't believe you could prove anything but your home bound isolation.
Dark matter has been calculated to occupy 95% of the known Universe.

>>714813608
Holy shit i cant believe how deeply ive been baited

You got me, well meme'd

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>>714813643
Im not smart enough or interested enough to study dark matter. Im just letting you know what i would do if i was in this field and had a passion for it. Just seems absurd to be making new theories when you dont even know if the foundation exists. Seems like science is concerned with the antennas on a skyscraper and they havent even found a place to put the building.

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>>714813762
We means mankind. Thats like calculating stanley nickles and dwight bucks. Make believe up until this point.

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>>714813873
Im genuinly interested in your response. No bait.

>>714813924
The problem with science is that its
impossible
To know whether or not we're actually right, until we're wrong

Test

>>714797742

Person B can control time, but not Person A
So, Person B can stop Person A in time Stop, but cannot prevent Person A from leaving again once Stopped

>>714814308
And at that point its just philosophy.
So far, science has been good to us and worked well so we'll just go with it until we can't

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>>714814308
Thats experimentation. What about ovservation. Close all the books and use a telescope or whatever the fuck you use to eventually write a chapter in that book theyve got you studying from.

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>>714814485
This guy

>>714814086

Well it is likely that there is some mass from some other dimension we're unable to see.

Personally I too wonder how scientists are able to see so much of the Universe while at the same time saying the greater the distance the further back in time it is that we're seeing.

If we're in the Earth's gravity of space time, and the Earth is within the Sun's gravity space time, then how do you calculate a basis of what time is?

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>>714815264
Dude exactly my point. Maybe its my problem with authority, but i have a hard time trusting "what they know". Science really is the blind leading the blind. I think if the books were closed and we just went camping for a few years, that info would be extremly useful. Observation and constant questioning of "what we know" needs to be encouraged.

>>714815668
There have been some online speculations that the big bang never happened, that the Universe has been this way far longer and that has caused me to wonder, what if they're correct?

If a theory points in the wrong direction it can lead as a distraction. This has happened before in science.

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>>714816121
EXACTLY. We as a people use Science as Truth! Its like... fuck your point heres a science fact for ya. Then you just research shit that doesnt make sense. And then you find out most scientists dont know shit. Lol. Im like WTF is going on here. I thought science was fact. And its not. People accept it as fact because they dont wanna look like a fucking idiot when they are mocked by academia. Buuuut on thay note, most great scinetist were thought to be crazy because they were actually "thinking" and were not programmed. I see this with most scientists. A shit ton of brains critically thinking about something thay doesnt exist or matter. No pun indended. Lol.

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I'm enjoying all that is being discussed here, and i just wanted you to know it.

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>>714818049
Add to the discussion buddy. Im outta shit to say lol.

>>714816747
Well, to be fair Einstein believed the Universe was static solid, and refused to accept the big bang.
If his belief is correct, it means time itself is what shifts from place to place not the materials itself.

Usually I wonder about this stuff not making sense, and some geek babbles on about entropy or some shit which doesn't make sense, and they act as if you're the idiot for not accepting their bullshit techno babble they can't explain in simply terms.

>>714818218
Long toenails, wtf?
I hate girls with long fingernails, even less with long toenails.
Whomever told her that's sexy is wrong.

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>>714819411
Ha ha i didnt even notice til you said something. I saved the lic to draw later. Heres what i drew today.

>>714797742
"time" in a certain sense is something humanity created. its like how you can compare how earth days to jupiter days or venutian days, the standard of time youre using to compare them all is in itself simply an abstraction that caught on and became an accepted unit of measurement to extrapolate the passing of moments.

>>714819722
I really personally do not like brown girls. They seem unclean somehow. I just don't know. Its not that they aren't clean...IDK...

well duh

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>>714820191
Honestly it was just a picture to draw. But in my experience spanish chicks are the best. Obviously not a gross one. But the type that is always put together. It seems like the white chicks always have issues with their families. Theyre just really fucked in the head.

>>714819966
Humans did not create time, we created the concept of it. Time itself is an endless duration. We created units of measurement for it which we also use to schedule things.

>>714819722
Nice drawing, btw. Might need a finer tip pencil to make crisper, smaller detailed lines.

>>714819966
This is true.

Light is faster than time, so if you stopped time, light would still be moving faster.

time is relative to the person experiencing it.

>>714816747
your a moron.

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>>714820414
With that being said, we barely agreed on which measurement to use relatively late in the development of civilization. Also fuck the Gregorian calendar.

>>714818687
Einstein has been wrong before more than a few times, you just sound like a skeptical idiot.

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>>714820515
Hey thanks. It was just a rough sketch. Im trying tonget these pieces done within 2 hours time for practice. If i spent more time on it i would definitely bust out the smaller graphite. Thanks for the recommendation. Do u draw?

>>714820399
I have met a lot of fucked up white girls. Their families providing a rule book on how to live..."make family, give us grandkids"

I hate the way we live on Earth, especially in America, living to make stupid kids with one purpose - buy shit, and depend on corporations to do the thinking for you.
Its so boring. Everything just stays the same repetitive, so mundane and everyone acts as if this is fine, okay, the way it should be.

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>>714820712
*you're

>>714799553
>Speed of light is an approximate rate
Speed of light is an exact value btw
299,792,458 m/s

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>>714820779
So he's been wrong more then once before and im skeptical? Sounds more like logical.

why not just become time?

>>714821113
lol okay

>>714820910
I used to draw for a long time, then I got into 3d stuff, but have kind of worn that out too.
I want 3d pussy to make stuff, but don't have the kind of computer to handle it.

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>>714820962
I take a trip to the spirit world when im feelin jaded. Its like recharging your spirit. Highly recommended.

>>714805742
I never understood this. Why should you be able to contract space at a rate faster than the speed of light?

Wouldn't you need to interact with that space in order to warp it? Wouldn't that interaction happen at max the speed of light? And wouldn't your warp drive have to act on that space before you could cross it?

The way I see it, you could condense 1 lightyear into 1 meter and cross that at faster than the speed of light if you're going any reasonable speed. However, it would take at least a year for your warp drive to affect the space, and probably longer to contract it.