Going to purchase my first gun this weekend . I will be attending

>>714597435
what's the middle price in murika for a gun , like colt 45 or beretta 92? you say 500-600$ is not so much , and as a french , i didnt know how much cost a gun (exept on the onionland ofc )

>>714597435
Gun forums exist. Why are you on 4chan with this question?

>>714597435
Glock 19, FN FNX, Beretta 92, S&W M&P. Get whatever fits the best.

Go with a smith and Wesson m&p 9mm. It should be right around 500$.

>>714597868
500 is a good starting point. Clocks average around 550, 1911s can go from 450 for cheap shit up to 3500 dollars for Gucci tier stuff. Beretta 92fs between 500 and 600.

>>714597435
Faggot
BE A MAN, USE YOUR HAND.

>>714597435

Just get a used 9mm Glock. Not fancy, but gets the job done.

And mags and ammo for it are very common, so when the SHTF in America (which it will), you'll be able to find extra mags and ammo with ease.

If you can find one, SigSauer SP2022 is my carry gun, I love it.

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why are you here and not on /k/

9mm is good but if you want to conceal it get something thin with like a single stack mag or if you just want something cheapish with decent stoping power .38 special would work

(this is your first gun a revolver is a decent starter)

most important thing is to get somthing that your comfortable with and suits your needs get a few boxs of ammo (doesnt have to all be at once) and put in a couple of hours range time with it also get used to dcoa'ing it

>>714598293
okay , seem quite expensive (but affordable) . a friend of mine have found an ak-47 for 250€ in algeria , but i know it's not really the same thing.

Thanks for the replies. I've been thinking the m&p good to see it recommended

HK VP9, shoots more accurately than a Glock and feels better in the hand.

>>714599262
It said my IP was banned or some shit. Even though I've never posted inn it before

Your budget is enough to get a 9mm Glock 19 gen 3/4

Literally the best possible handgun for a complete noob.

>>714599509
What makes it so good?

>>714599600
size and reliability. Its a workhorse type.

>>714598160
you mean like /k/

You don't happen to be going to the gun show in Medina, Ohio, are you?

>>714599796
Nah . I'm in the south .

>>714599682
How's the recoil ?

>>714599461
This guy knows what's up. Hk is good. De-cocker on hks are super nice. The slide is super easy to pull back

>>714599721
Couldn't post on there. Said my IP was blocked or some shit

>>714600217
It is reasonable and manageable but ergonomics could be better out of the box.

>>714597435
How does that work? Don't know about guns but don't you have to wait 72 hours for paperwork? You have to go to the gun show, wait 3 days, then go back?

>>714599461
My favorite gun as well. Great stock trigger pull as is.

glock 19

go to a range and rent some to feel what works best

>>714597435
go to /k/

also get a S&W Governor

>>714600510
Nah you can buy one here no regulations at all. Background checks aren't even required. However the gun show I'm going to does require background checks

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>>714600510

not all states have those nonsense wait limits and shit

feels good not living in libtard states with fucked up gun laws

>>714597435
Springfield XD

EAA Witness made by Tangfolio in .45 ACP.

Classic, Italian made, Czech and Browning design.

>>714598174
Hard to go wrong here

Don't let anyone convince you into a Glock. It's true, they're work horses, but they don't have a safety, which for a first time gun buyer might be a little treacherous unless you wanna invest in a really good duty holster. That being said, i agree with the guy on the Wesson M&P

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>>714601298
This is good advice.

I would go to a range where you could rent both n Glock 19 or Smith & Wesson M&P9.

Run enough rounds through each of them going back and forth between the two, and buy which ever feels the best and is most accurate for you.

I own both of these and have run both in competitions. I appreciate each one and use them for different purposes, but I'm more consistently accurate with the M&P. You may be more consistent with the Glock.

I most often carry the Glock or my Kahr.

Glock and Kahr pictured.

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>>714602533
Here's the M&P next to my primary.

>>714602533
I didn't even know that was a possibility. Unfortunately I'm not going to have time to do that so I guess I'll do a hand test and go from there . My gut says m&p because the m&p shield 40 I shot a week ago was pretty nice

>>714597435
You can pick up a Norinco 1911 clone for fairly cheap and .45ACP is going to stop any mother fucker really quick.

If you want something that is a little more reliable go for a revolver, .38 snub would get the job done, since their is no spring magazine with a revolver their is less of a chance for the magazine to jam/fail if it sits loaded for a while. The springs on a magazine fed firearm can jam if they sit for a while loaded.

>>714602840
You can't go wrong with that decision. The M&P grip just fits my hand better.

Glock in the caliber of your choice. My first pistol was a Glock 19, and it's still one of my favorites in my arsenal. If you're looking used, look for a Gen 3 Glock 19. (Gen 4 will say so on the slide. They had spring issues early on, so I would be wary about buying a used Gen 4 unless you can be sure it is one of the redesigns.)

>>714600465
If you get a Glock 19 get a Hogue Handall for it. Fit's my hand PERFECTLY. Like a glove.

>>714597435
Walther PPQ is my choice, the trigger is incredible.
S&W shield if you want smaller. I highly recommend an apex trigger.
Not a big fan of my baretta 92fs but it looks cool.

>>714602884
Don't get a Norinco. If you want a cheap workhorse 1911, get a Rock Island Armory. Great quality for the price. Several thousand shots through mine and have yet to have a single hiccup of any kind.

>>714603375
1911's are hard to come by in Canada, Norinco and Colt is all we got fam and as much as I would love to shell out $1,800 for the real thing the Norinco is affordable for my poor ass. I will have to check out RIA though.

>>714603516
Damn, that's unfortunate. Definitely check out a RIA if you can.

I'm going to go to a gun show on Saturday. I don't think I'm gonna buy anything though

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Buy a katana, Musashi is a good budget brand for beginners they start at 60 dollars but if your not a kike you should pick there 1060 carbon steel beaters for 120,huge difference in quality. Don't worry about styles,best way for practice is to cut water bottles and jugs,focus on your edge allainment first, then you can start studying techniques,
>I suggest hiten mitsurugi ,very efficient style
Pic related, from the 1060 carbon steel line, very nice blade for the price

>>714597435
glock 19

>>714604106
Jericho 941 all day

>>714597435
My personal choice is the Beretta 92fs you could find a used for about $400-$500 or if you find that one too big anything Ruger, Colt, Sig or S&W will do id also suggest a 9mm for your first gun. I love .45's but 9mm is just better for a first gun. The ammo is cheap, has little recoil and I prefer having more rounds as opposed to a bigger bullet. If you ever need to pull it out it's going to be stressful and your more than likely going to miss a couple of shots if it's more than a couple of meters so having more rounds is IMO much more important.

>>714604106
Thanks I'm going to save that as a guide !

>>714604568
seconding this. get a 92a1 so you can put a tacticool light and/or laser on it.

>>714597435
Get a ruger LCR, if you want painful power get the .357 model that bitch will hurt to shoot if you put full load .357 in that little bees nest. But it will fire +P and .38 special no problem finding cheap ranger rounds, also if you can get the laser grip do it! Also super light weight and hammer less so nothing to snag on if you need to pull it from a pocket.

>>714597435
heres my little bit of advice
If you are looking to have less recoil (and better accuracy at farther distance) get the full size of any manufacturer you choose.
I hear everyone saying Glock 19, but I like the 17 because it a little bit heavier which cuts down on recoil a little bit, plus the barrel is longer which increases accuracy.
Same with the M&P, I would get the FS instead of the compact.
The only reason to get the compacts or subcompacts are if you are going to conceal carry the gun, which doesn't sound like you are.

>>714597435
For that price and non shit quality get a glock

>>714597435
9mm for a first gun is a mistake, especially with that budget.

The ideal weapon you want is a Ruger LCR, either a .38 special or .357.

If you want to splurge, still get that gun and get a grip laser (around $200-300).

5 for sure > 9mm for ccw.

Sincerely,
a /k/ommrad

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If you want to save money,get the armscor m200 its very reliable work horse at a price that can't really be beaten at 250 USD maybe even 200 if your lucky. It's a revolver so I'd pretty straight forward to use and the size is perfect , small enough for easy carry,but still big enough to feel confident and threatening in the hand ( which lets be honest, that's what's ideally going to happen, scare your attacker) not too mention at 38special it has decent stopping power, look into hollow points. Al so if you still want some thing extra fur your home, you'll still have room in your budget for a decent shotgun. Getting two for the price of one, you can always get nicer guns later when you have actual experience and know what you want in firearm

>>714605059
oh and when or if you choose to hit a local range to try out some different pistols, ask if any of their rental guns are for sale. I got a used Glock 17 gen3 for 280 bucks, it came with 2 mags, the case and all the little bullshit brushes, loader and manual. The gun was just really dirty and had a few scratches on the slide that rubbed out, its a great gun for the cost.

>>714605214
a revolver is a good idea for someone who has never owned a gun before, but a semi auto is so much fun.
If the gun is going to sit in a drawer waiting for a bad guy to break in, a revolver does the job. A semi auto could fail to fire or fail to feed or have some other problem if its not cleaned.

>>714597435
>>714598160
GO TO /k/

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>>714597435

Dude! FNX-45. You get a FULL 15 round magaine full of 45!

>>714605772
He said he's banned you faggot, some proxy tard probably shit posted using his ip

>>714605772
sometimes going to /k/ is like going to your mom and pop gun shop where the fat guy behind the counter is such a blow hard and know it all it makes you rage.
No thanks

>>714597435
A budget of $600 is actually really good and will get you a really good used gun depending on what you want

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>>714605214
This. Anyone who says otherwise is providing shit advice.

>>714597435
Hmmmm

>>714605942
hate to say it, but most guys who HAVE to own a 45 or 40 are the same guys who HAVE to own a Bigfoot type pick up... know what I mean? :)

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Seriously, gui. Just find what feels like is made for you. Find what quality of fit and finish is right for your mindset.

I would very much recommend 9MM. When you start to really get into shooting, you can make the decision if you want to go up in caliber or not. 9MM is cheap to shoot and will easily defend you.

Here are a few handguns to consider, all 9MM. I actually picked up the Beretta at a gun show for $320, total deal. They are incredibly smooth guns.

My full size M&P is a Pro Series. About $540 at a local gun shop brand new and my very near favorite behind the 34.

Glock 34, amazing fucking weapon system. You can't go wrong with any Glock. The 34 is expensive at over $660 most places.

Lastly, I carry a Shield. Night sights and Talon grips really improved it for me. S&W is putting out amazing quality lately.

Anything Glock, S&W, HK, FN, CZ, is going to be great quality and reliable.

I have shot a few 1911s, and while they are amazing to shoot, I can't get over the poor single stack capacity.

Also remember, dealers hate gun shows because they don't make any money on their shit. Haggle them and at a MINIMUM they should take any taxes off of your purchase price. Good luck.

>>714605942
Yeah but they are kinda ugly tho, I want something pretty like a 1911

>>714605258
this, shotgun is the best home defense weapon

>>714606047
why the snub nose? Hes not going to conceal carry. Snub nose just means it going to have increased recoil and he'll have problems acquiring the target for the second and third shot

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>>714606217
Also, Murica.

>>714606320
>shotgun is the best home defense weapon
that is until you are trying to turn corners and get around object in the house and the long barrel fucks you over.
Most people who get shotguns for home defense are just going for the "scary effect"

>>714606273
1911's are nice. I just hate the low capacity mags...

>>714606202
And no. I'm not one of them. I drive a Nissan Rogue, and my favorite band is The Strokes. I'm just super paranoid about someone breaking into my house. So I keep one of these under my pillow...

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Get this, anything else and your a fag

>>714606030
So buying used is reliable for the most part ? I'm definitely not above buying used , I actually prefer it to save money

>>714606273
You're joking right?
They sell pink guns now, maybe you can find one that's Galaxy colored (faggot)

Pick up one of these. Pietta 1851 Navy .44. Steel frame version, only. Fill the cylinder up completely with 777, forget the wad, and push in a .454" ball. Fucker kicks harder than a .44mag and the lead balls tear shit up. Fuckers won't know what hit em. If you want to put a hole from here to china, use slightly less powder and load the cylinder with 230gr conicals.

Xds 9mm 3.3

>>714606679
Buying used is fine, just check for basic function. Not much can break on a gun unless it's a HiPoint, has had thousands of rounds through it, or has been thoroughly abused or sat in a humid environment unoiled. Check for rust and check the rifling of the barrel. Rifling will be the biggest teller. And remember rifling wears from the center of the barrel out.

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>>714606885
Forgot pic

>>714606603
Also the whole break in issue. I guess I could keep it in the trunk though

>>714606679
if your allowed to test fire the gun, yeah. Its hard to fuck a pistol over unless you really really try... or its a shitty Hi Point

>>714606947
Carrying a loaded long gun in a vehicle is illegal in most states, and if a gun isn't loaded and ready to go, it's useless in a defensive situation.

>>714598161
>Get whatever fits the best.
This

>>714606922
>rifling wears from the center of the barrel out.
why does it start from the center?

>>714607087
It's legal here I believe .( Tennessee ). Not sure about long guns though

>>714597435
Have you actually fired a gun? If the answer is no, go to a range.

Most ranges will have pretty cheap gun rentals. The one I go to is $12 to try all the guns I want, I just need to pay for ammo.

I was pretty much set on getting a glock 19. I knew I wanted something small enough to CC but also reliable. I knew immediately after putting a magazine threw it that it was too small, so I tried a glock 17 and that felt a little better.

After those I tried a Beretta 92fs. I knew right away that I liked the feeling of a metal gun over polymer, and I would be willing to sacrifice concealability for it. The recoil felt a lot better and I was more accurate with it.

Then I wanted to try something with a bigger round, so naturally I tried a Springfield 1911. By far the most fun gun I shot. Way bigger, so CCing wasn't really an option. .45acp was a lot more fun than 9mm but also a lot more expensive and a little more unruly.

I also tried a revolver with .38special and .44magnum. Also a lot of fun, and way easier to shoot at a range because you don't have to dick around with magazines.

Fun factor is going to be a factor here that you probably aren't considering. You say you want it for home defense, but we both know you're going to want to bring it to a range every now and then. While the Glocks were nice, they are the definition of pragmatism. Ultra reliable, no bullshit, does it job, not much else. Not much fun at a range. I REALLY recommend going to a range and actually shooting some guns first before you buy something. You'll know right away what feels good and have a much better idea of what sort of gun you'll want.

>live in country where you cant carry a gun without a justified reason
Ehhhhhhhhh

>>714606922
Awesome advice thanks

>>714607226
Google barrel harmonics.

>>714607378
Also, is glock a good first baby's weapon?

>>714606885
then get a good lawyer
because if the bad guy survives you are going to court

Glock 23 or glock 40

Glocks are guns for people who don't care about guns.

Taurus Judge public defender. A bit of a kick (not bad), but at least you won't have to worry about missing.

>>714607298
Solid advice, shoot first.

>>714598424
You are the faggot here

>>714607242
It is legal to carry a loaded and chambered handgun with a valid concealed carry license. Long guns are illegal to carry loaded or chambered regardless if you have a CHL or not.

Again, this is MOST not ALL states.

>>714606603
The sound of the pump action alone will make any intruder shit his pants. I bet birdshot makes a fucking mess tho

Honestly just get a hi point and be done with it. Chances are you're never going to use it, or you're going to bitch out at the moment of truth and get assraped by some one who kills to survive.

>>714607445
The 'bad guy' won't survive a lead ball placed correctly. The balls used in cap and ball pistols are very soft and pretty much explode when they hit bone, a la a hollow point.

>>714606603
honestly a handgun with a laser does the same thing. Someone points a laser at you and cocks the slide you're going to immediately not be the fuck where you are.

>>714607608
You have no idea what you're talking about. Most states don't have a chambered/not chambered law. If you can legally carry you can carry however you want.

In my state (New Mexico) its legal to open carry. And that means pistols or long guns.
But I think its stupid to do so, you just bring unwanted attention and the cops get called on you everytime you do it.

>>714607621
Get out Biden

>>714607815
Lasers are a novelty. We're talking life or death here. You're not gonna aim him to death.

>>714607893
I'm talking about long guns, IE shotguns, rifles, carbines, SBRs, etc...

Handguns/pistols you can do whatever the fuck you want with.

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Checkin glock 17, its around 800 euros here. Is that a good price? Seems a bit too expensive.

>>714607621
Yes, Im sure you've watched plenty of movies where the gun racks the slide and the bad guys run off...
truth is you rack that slide, even in the dark and now the bad guy (who probably have their own guns) now know where you are and will shoot in that direction.
You basically just whistled "YOO HOO, HERE I AM SHOOT IN THIS DIRECTION!!"

>>714607298
Thanks for the advice. I've put maybe 20 rounds through various handguns and that's it. A S&W40m&p shield, 40 Springfield armory and a 45 that I'm not really sure what it was haha. I've also shot an at-15 which was a blast and I really want one eventually. Although I realize it's completely unnecessary and silly for a civilian to have one in my humble opinion. But damn is it fun.

>>714598424
He's trying to you faggot, you need a hand for a handgun

>>714608043
And you can do whatever you want with long guns and shotguns if you can legally carry them where you are. There are no laws dictating how they're loaded in most states. That's only commie states

>>714600248
Yeah, the decockers which are totally irrelevant on the VP9s and VP40s

>>714607747
Then be prepared for his familys lawyer to sue you.
The courts are fucking shit bags when it comes to proving you were in fear of your life, most states have laws that you have to retreat or try to get out of a deadly situation. If they can prove you were trying to increase the deadliness of your weapon you are fucked

>>714608024
Except they make it way easier to actually hit your shot if you're a novice and they have the same "scare factor". While you won't aim someone to death obviously, if they don't immediately dip the fuck out after knowing for a fact 100% that there is a gun on them, you are 1 trigger pull away from an accurate shot

>>714607746
Thanks I laughed

>>714607904
Yeah Texas fag, I like guns, but I also don't feel like having to run from some one going postal just because some edgy faggot decided it would feel cool to bring there mini draco into a goddamn Whataburger.

>>714608024
LOL @ aim him to death

>>714608267
I'm also talking about concealed or in your vehicle, as was my original response to the OP comment of possibly keeping a shotgun in his trunk, and an unloaded one being useless...

>>714599796
Oh, one coming up? I'm in Stow...

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>>714597435
Try a CZ P01. I bought it and fell in love with handguns again. It shoots remarkably comfortably as a compact handgun. I put slimmer VZ grips on mine and topped it off with Truglo TFX Pro sights. Maybe I will replace the plastic recoil guide rod soon but so far no issues at all.

>>714608321
I think this guy actually has your answer and doesn't know it

Just guy a cheap laser pointer and when shit happens pull it out and point it at the bad guy and scare him off
done and done

>>714598424

To wipe with?

>>714608445
Well then why are you telling him bullshit about the law saying he can't keep it loaded? It doesn't. Unless he's in a commie state that says he can't. I'm in GA. If I can legally possess it(which I can with proper paperwork and $$$) I can keep a fucking rocket launcher, Barrett .50, or full auto M60 in my trunk loaded or not and it's G2G.

>>714608445
Good point. I wouldn't help if I had a life threatening situation arise.

>>714608315
There is no way to "increase the deadliness" of a cap and ball pistol. You fill it with powder, push in a ball, put on a cap, cock it, and pull the trigger. That's just how they work. Balls are pushed in from the front of the cylinder with a small moment arm, therefore they have to be soft, which of course turns into shrapnel when met with a solid object. It's one of the cheapest and simplest firearms around that is deadly enough to kill a person. The benefit of the revolver is that you have 6 shots in case you miss.

OP is asking about a defense weapon. I made a suggestion that is cheap and effective, and tons of fun to use. I don't see why you're getting so autistic about it.

>>714608748
Good luck getting one for $500.

>>714608770
lol I'm not sure if you're joking or not.

>>714604084

This is great for spergelords

>>714608770
Because I don't know what state he's in, he's new to guns, and I don't want him to get his ass in trouble, or buy a long gun for his first gun. If he was smart, he'd look it up for himself. I'm just getting the idea of keeping a shotgun in his trunk out of his head.

Georgia in particular has lenient gun laws. I have considered moving there.

>>714608770
In my state they have this stupid rule that you can have the pistol in your vehicle but it cant be concealed.
I guess you have to have it on the seat or dash at all times, and if you have it under the seat or in the glove compartment you go to jail.

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>>714597435
If you want a 9mm under 600. You can buy a brand new Glock 19 Gen 4. Do that and be happy.

>>714609001
It should be a piece of cake to find one $500-600 shipped. Anything over is well over priced

>>714608837
You op? I'm who he's responding to. Get a fucking Glock 23. Shorter barrel. Medium cartridge. Available cheap ammo for training and carry. Will NEVER fail. Throw it in your glove box, keep it under your bed, shove it up your ass. If you need it, it'll keep you alive. But train train train. And never stop practicing. Get good and it'll keep you alive and maybe take a fuckin asshole off the streets.

>>714609113
I like the song Georgia by Ray Charles

>>714608948
That is not what the guy is arguing. He is saying if you shoot someone and DON'T kill them you're going to be sued for damages. Prosecution will argue if you were shooting to maim and not shooting to kill, were you really if life threatening danger to justify using a gun in the first place?

There is legal precedent on this.

If you are to the point of drawing a gun and firing, you better make sure you are going to end their life so they can't sue you.

>>714609037
Not joking. GA is best GA

>>714608948
Im not getting autistic, Im just saying that if the family of the dead bad guy has a good lawyer, or the AG themselves want to take this to the courts, the courts always seem to find a way to make a citizen look like he was trying to murder innocent guy who just happened to be breaking down the door

>>714609113
I get that. Not knowing his state is killing me for this specific convo

>>714609207
Yeah I'm OP. But doesn't shorter barrel mean more recoil ?

>>714609114
You live in a commie state

>>714608407
No joke, I work at a diner in Desoto tx,a few months ago some autist walked in with a ak47 at his side, naturally everyone freaked and a trucker eating in the corner popped him two times with a glock
>He survived
Dude just wanted a patty and hash browns but instead ate lead because he decided to be an edge Lord. Not mention we got gypped because 10 people ran off without paying at the first shot

>>714609297
Scary

>>714609113
Ahh yes, the home of "Am I being detained?!"

>>714609379
It's Tennessee

>>714606320

Well, if you're going with a shotgun, wouldn't a rottweiler be even better?

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>>714597435

>>714609261
Which, again, is why I don't get his argument. I said in my original post that it kicks harder than a .44mag and lead balls explode when they hit a solid object. And you have 6 shots to do it. I'm saying the intruder WON'T survive, which is why it is a good defensive firearm.

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>>714597435

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It's just like, my personal opinion and stuff man, and I know a bunch of edgelords are going to have a fit, but in the price range you're talking about you can't get a better (quality, accuracy, durability and dependability) gun than a Glock. My first gun was a G19 (9mm). I think you have 4 different sizes of Glocks in the 9mm caliber. My best advice is to go to a gun range and rent a few different guns to see how they feel when you shoot them, but if that's not possible at least hold a few different guns at the gun show. If you don't go with Glock it's cool but in my humble ass opinion you can't get a better gun. Happy shopping.

>>714608948
I get where you're coming from. But in a life and death situation, there are some things I just don't want to worry about with whatever firearm I use.

1. Untrustworthy firing mechanism.
2. Single action

For a novice like OP, I don't think he'd want to have to worry about working a single action revolver, or worry about shitty caps/bad powder. Just not a practical firearm when you could, you know, get an actual .44 special/magnum and not have to worry about either of the problems above.

>>714609331
I agree, I guess I just don't see why your post was directed towards me. If it was just to this thread in general, then I apologize. I suggested a firearm that will stop an intruder in their tracks.

>>714597435
Go with a 9mm or 40sw you're just short of the amount for a decent 1911 .45.

>>714609385
Yeah but are you a bitch? It's not that bad. Anything smaller will have much worse recoil and a glock will fire after the apocalypse. If you're worried about recoil get the longer version G22. It's still a .40 and it's super easy to shoot. So easy that 85-90-% of all police forces on the planet use it daily. I carry one when I Open Carry. I conceal a G43 doe.

>>714609385
Yes, but get a 9MM and you won't care.

>>714609512
Oh. He's G2G then. They're pretty cool.

>>714609207
>Glock 23. Shorter barrel. Medium cartridge.
that's horrible advice,
shorter barrel, less accuracy and its lighter so more recoil
medium cartridge? Id say 380 is small, 9mm is medium, and 40/45 is large........9mm is best all around anyways
and its a compact, the grip is shorter, not as bad as some but you don't want your pinky hanging off, I hate that

>>714609826
Nah not a bitch . Thanks for calling me out on a dumb question.

>>714609720
Oh I'm with you. I suggested a Glock 19 Gen 3 first. I just think black powder revolvers are awesome to play with and are super cheap. My BP suggestion was more of a joke than serious. OP should still get a Glock, but then also get a cap and ball.

>>714609788
Why would he want an antequated novelty Gun in a caliber that can't even penetrate a cinder block?

>>714609559
His family survives, and the AG survives, who may bring a criminal case against you.
Get this through your head bro

>>714609894
God damn dude. You planning on having a 25+yd gun fight? We're talking about personal defense. 10yds max. Draw and shoot. Sights don't even enter into the equation in a realistic life or death defensive use

>>714609826
>I carry one when I Open Carry.
Not being a dick or a troll, but why do you open carry,
real answer please

>>714610030
Cap and ball is fun as fuck, totally agreed. I have a Lemat and holy shit is that thing a fucking club/piece of shit, but just so much fun to shoot. It's like the Hi-Point of the 1800's

>>714610116
Jesus Christ dude.
OP asked for a defensive firearm.
I gave a defensive firearm.
Would you rather me suggest a Glock 19, like I already did? How is that any different? Intruder still dies, you still might get sued. The firearm choice doesn't make a difference, as long as the intruder dies.
Get that through your head bro

>>714599461
Vp9 not allowed in my state, it's nice though.

>>714604084
>focus on your edge.

>>714610361
Easy grab n go carry option. It's always around to do so and sometimes quicker to strap up than the 43. I started out OCing the 22 just to get comfortable carrying at all then I went deeper.

>>714605258
>shotgun
>>714606320


>>714606603
This person is an idiot. 12ga shotgun is the best one shot stopper. You can have a shorter barrel and you're not going for room clearing anyway. The 12ga shotgun has proven itself to be the gold standard for home defense.

A pistol is only to be used until you can get to a long gun.

>>714608094
I guess , it depends on how much 800 is worth to you fags , I used a currency calculator and 800 euro is like 900 dollars. G17s usually run around 600 dollars, guess you're getting kiked

For just a bit over $600 (I got mine for $679) you can get a Rock Island 22TCM/9MM.

It's a super fun gun to shoot, and very reliable. Best part is, you get two guns in one. The TCM is a pretty cool round. Not sure how good the self defense uses are for it, but it's a blast to shoot, and then you can pick up some 9mm +P for home defense.

>>714610287
the ammo you are asking him to use will have more recoil, which means he will have trouble getting back on sight for the second shot, and why have him get a compact gun? he's not going to conceal carry, its going to be in his house or in his car
Plus, why not have a heavier gun to lessen recoil, and why not have a longer barrel if you NEED to shoot farther?

>>714597435
Try a P250 compact. Excellent defence weapon.

Glock 17
9mm
17 round magazines
800spm

>>714610429
You just admitted to giving a joke answer, and got called out on it
I can hear the back peddling now
Its cool bro

>>714609261
>Prosecution will argue if you were shooting to maim and not shooting to kill, were you really if life threatening danger to justify using a gun in the first place?

>If you are to the point of drawing a gun and firing, you better make sure you are going to end their life so they can't sue you.

This is wrong think.

You're shooting to stop the threat, and the verbiage has to be "I shot to stop the threat"..

Q: "Were you trying to kill him?"
A: "NO, I was trying to stop the threat"

>>714597435
Buy a shotgun it is the best home defense weapon

>>714600217
If you're so concerned about recoil just buy a muzzle weight.

>>714610824
This is /b/. Everything is a joke answer. It was still a valid suggestion if you're strapped for cash and trying to kill something.

>>714610686
Hence why I suggested a G22. The 43 is my deal. And as I said, sights? In a real life defensive use you're not gonna square up and pull an isosceles stance and sight in your target. You're gonna point and shoot. You guys giving advice on how best to shoot a target at 14yds

>>714610537
But doesn't that just put a spotlight on you?
Where I live you can open carry but everyone calls the cop, and the cops will treat you like a criminal and waste your time just so you get tired of it happening each and every time you do it.
Plus, if a bad guy is going to do something bad, hes going to shoot you first before he continues with his theft or whatever because he can see you have a pistol on you, unlike someone who has a CC

>>714610979
/b isn't for jokes goto /jok already

Jericho 941. Don't get a revolver for indoor use. They're almost universally louder. If possible get a gun with an integral suppressor, but this will be more expensive and requires local law enforcement signing off. Not a problem for me, but I'm dating the sheriff's cousin, live in Missouri and have had my life threatened before by Nazis. I like to provoke people and those Springfield nazis just piss me off with their flyers and signs. So I made my own sign and... Anyway for home defense I recommend a compact shotgun with an integral silencer. For carry I wouldn't go bigger than a Jericho full steel body.
"Silencers" don't sound like in the movies. Especially with shot guns. It's still a bit of a bang. With lower caliber sub sonic you can hear the guns action and the primer so it sounds like a cap gun. Not that pew sound in movies. But with a shotgun it's still going to go boom. Just not as deafening. Consider that. Also remember that when firing a handgun you have to "build the castle". With a shotgun you just have to aim it in the general direction of the target. Unless you're going with slug and even then it matters less where you hit the person so less aiming.

>>714610541
yeah, and make sure you rack that slide a bunch of times so they hear where you are in the dark.

>>714597435
glock 9mm, full or compact, both in your price range, simple to operate, accurate right out of the box, i love mine

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>>714611222

>>714611283
Carry Israeli if you're going to do that. They'll hear you slap the msg in and rack. That way you're not just ejecting rounds for no apparent reason.

>>714610979
errrrh errrrr ehhhh ererrrrrr eeee rrrrrrrrr

know what that sound is?
(back peddling)
:)

>>714611118
Nope to all of the above. It's a crime here(GA) for a cop to even ask if you have a permit if you're carrying unless you're drinking or some other dumb shit. Hell I was thanked last time I OCed for carrying and told that more people need to carry. And as far as bad guys go, crime is for retards. Do you really think a guy holding up a 7-11 is gonna think it through enough to look and see if a guy is carrying? And in most cases if they do then they just won't do it. Too much risk.

>>714611486
This(GAfag)

>>714606922
Checked

>>714611589
And to elaborate on why, it's a thing. If you carry, you carry 100% of the time. If you can, you do. Because if you don't, that will be the time you needed it and didn't have it.

>>714611547
omg, you are really slow

https://www.gunsamerica.com/946214378/IWI-Jericho-941.htm

>>714607429
I'd recommend an SG552.

>>714611586
if i tell you that you win this internet argument will you please shut the fuck up?

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Try a glock 17. They're about $600, have a good ammo capacity (17 rounds per clip), its lightweight
, it is relatively modifiable, and throughout my years as a cop, its proved a reliable weapon. It's powerful and can easily go through a person and come out the other side, but it's not complete overkill. It can also be used for hunting medium to large game.

You can get a nice Rock Island Armory 1911 with a shorter barrel length for that price

>>714611923
Looks cool. I like the idea of having a grip with finger molds as well

>>714612085
>clip

>>714611283
you're not fighting fast zombies, you're fighting stupid teenagers or whacked out crackheads. They hear you rack a shell and they're out

>>714611896
Half the deterrent is them knowing there is a gun. Also if you're trained you can have the gun loaded and racked in the amount of time it tskes to acquire the target. Hence carrying Israeli.

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>>714612085
>throughout my years as a cop
>rounds per clip
>per clip
>clip

stop lying, you aren't a fucking cop.

>>714611589
different states, different rules I guess. And different mindsets.
Where I live, anyone seen with a gun, even if its just slung or holstered is considered a mass shooter and the cops are called, and the cops are so pissed that they have to deal with the person they dick around and make the interaction so shitty they hope the OC person will just leave it at home or get a CC permit.

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>>714597435
EAA/Tanfoglio Witness Steel in 9mm with a conversion .22 slide.

$450 easy NIB with a couple of boxes of ammo on top.

pic semi related

>>714612193
Or you're fighting seasoned dindus that don't give a fuck if you've got $200 worth of more shit to steal in your pussy ass hands. Racking a slide is use of deadly force. And you'd better make sure you're ready a and willing to back that horse should it need to leave the gate.

>>714611964
>errrrh errrrr ehhhh ERRRHH ERRRR EHHHHERHHEH EE RRRR!

>>714606273
Pretty doesn't make any difference if you're dead

>>714612193
True . I'm mostly worried about crack heads. When my home was burglarized they even stole the change out of my change jar lol. It had to be less than 5$ That's some crack head shit

>>714612341
Commie state

>>714612184
Not to mention the fact it was the official service gun of the Israeli special forces and the police, back when .41 as was a thing. They're really accurate and well designed and don't kick much because they were designed around a hotter round

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>>714612328
>clip
>cop
>clip cop

are you a horse?

>>714612085
>can easily go through a person and come out the other side,
Dude really? I call bullshit on you being a cop. No cop would praise a pistol or ammo having the ability to go THROUGH the bad guy and into a 10 year old child down the street.

>>714612141
>rock island armoury
>nice
Pick one.

>>714597435
Both the Glock and Smith and Wesson in the picture you posted would be good choices. You should be able to get either in your stated price range. I prefer the .40 over the 9mm but go with what you're most comfortable with. Hold different ones at the gun show (ask first) and see which feels the best. Either will stop an intruder. Get a good personal protection ammo and get some target rounds to practice with. Have fun with it and ignore the liberal fags that will be quick to criticize. You're the only person likely to be around when you need protection. By the way, consider where you'll keep it because you damn sure don't want it stolen or any children having access.

>>714597435
Glock 26 gen 3 or gen 4. $400-600. Very versatile, takes any glock magazine, perfect size for concealed carry as well.

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>>714612622
you reek of someone who is 50yrs old or older.

I would recommend you go with something chambered in 40 S&W. In my opinion, if you want something for "self-defense" which essentialy translates to anti-personnel, 40 S&W will get the job done better than 9mm or 45. I have studied a lot into how wound vectors work. With a 40, the internal wound vectors are likely to be pretty severe. Minimal chance of exit wound means more internal damage.

>>714612328
Holy shit. I stopped reading at clip
He said he was a cop??? Holy shit.

>>714599796
I go there sometimes. Been a few years. Their prices are high, always.

>>714612193
bullshit, maybe its different where you live, but its now a given that petty thieves, car burglars and home intruders all carry, and shoot when challenged

>>714612141
>Implying ria is even decent
Jesus anon, might as well just tell him to get a taurus

>>714612680
hahaha you cheeky cunt, he said he's on a budget

>>714612955
So again(and different guy here) why tell him to buy an antiquated design in a caliber that can't penetrate a cinder block?