> be vegan > eat plants > blame meat eaters for cutting

? Are you this stupid ?

>>714439046
It's called bait, newfriend.

Try to steer clear.

>>714438437
>social media
How about you fuck off back there faget

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>>714438437
The rain forest is being cut down to make room for cattle grazing. We don't eat trees

Pic related

>>714438437
Well I do eat meat but I see logic. The amount of area required for a commercial slaughterhouse about 1/3 of majority of farms. But most farmland is at least 50+ years old so it's not built on. So cutting room for slaughterhouses is needed.

>>714438437
I'm a vegan and I find this offensive

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>>714438437
why the fuck are you all hating on vegans? Its ok not wanting to eat meat, and never in my life has anyone told me they were vegan except if i offer meat to them.

>>714439369
>>714438437
>Be meat eater
>Eat vegan animals

I suggest we meat eaters eat more vegans. Including those bipedal vegan animals. We keep feeding them vegetables, they will be happy.
We all win

Vegans bad bro, trees have feelings and you just eat them smh

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>>714438437
>Why not ignore us?
As if it were that easy to ignore something so stupidly loud.

>>714440062
"why not ignore us"
As opposed to vegans ignoring to ignore meat eaters choices?

>>714440237
Yeah, that's the irony in that post.
Unless you are not realizing you just posted a double negative.

but... if you eat meat, you're eating all the vegetation that the animals ate, plus the vegetables you eat, plus all the plant and animal wildlife and which gets destroyed to make way for meat farming. they say around 30% of global warming can be attributed to the cattle industry alone.
so uhh

>>714440237
a choice is deciding which pair of shoes to put on in the morning, not whether or not you want to massively contribute to ruining the planet.

>>714440875
>not whether or not you want to massively contribute to ruining the planet.
except that is a choice.

>>714441138
yeah you're right. but not really one that should be ignored, in my opinion.

If we ignore animal welfare....

1 kilo of beef takes about 1 square metre of 'grain' + 2 kg of chemical supplements.
The meat is generally pretty good, but would probably end up giving us cancer.

So, if we battery farmed cows, weren't worried about cancer, and collected the methane for later use, the enviroment would be benefitted.

But stuffing cows into cages just big enough to hold them is generally frowned upon.

>>714439491
>>714438437
I am a lacto ovo vegetarian and i am so butt hurt devestated right now i am litterally foaming at the mouth

yes, as i vegan i can confirm that we definitely do eat a lot of pine and palm trees.

>>714441731
i, a vegan, eat one palm tree for every meal

>>714438437

I'm not convinced that plants don't feel pain anyway. Vegans privilege animals over plants, and that's hypocritical.

Vegan, carnivore, you're still destroying life to eat. Responsible eating is about balance.

The problem is factory farming.

>>714438437

your post is among the worst I've come across


"ololololololol i wuz trollin u guyzzz" in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

>>714440062
I'm not a vegan, i eat fish and vegetables, no meat. In my experience, i usually find out someone's a vegan waaay after i've met them, and i know a lot of vegans. I think this idea that vegans tell everyone all the time and never shut up about their diet choices is just a stereotype made up and perpetuated by people who eat meat and feel like they need to paint non meat eaters as weird or mentally unstable, so they will feel like their choice to eat meat is the sane and morally right thing to do.

>>714441889
lololol

>>714441935
also meat eaters get super defensive when they find out you're vegan, so maybe that's why they feel like we're attacking them

>>714438437
Fuck vegans, what are they gonna do, attack me? They're basically made of glass.

>>714441935
What I've noticed is that vegans are a lot more vocal and obnoxious online. Whether on facebook, or youtube, or anything else, they seem to climb on that high horse a lot more often when not face to face with another person.

>>714439369
Wht the actual fuck does this picture mean?

>>714442461
people are generally a lot noisier online

>>714442197
never experienced it, because i'm not a vegan (i sometimes even eat meat, i know i definitely shouldn't for a number of reasons). but yeah that's my general experience of the whole thing, it's that vegans and vegetarians generally don't have a qualm with meat eaters personally, just the idea of meat eating, but people who eat meat will rip on vegetarians and vegans, saying that they won't shut up about it, and that they are constantly attacking the choice to eat meat. i find it pretty ironic... or moronic, or whatever you wanna call it.

>>714442197
>Why aren't you a vegan?
>Because I don't care/because I like meat. etc.
>Proceeds to tell you how you are wrong and how much better they are.
>Not attacking
k then.

>>714442536
how much grain is needed to produce that amount of meat, what is there not to understand

>>714442584
Yeah, and that's the time we live in now, online.

>>714441889
> problem is factory farming

Factory farming is better for the enviroment than free range. The amount of food animals get is regulated and can be easily supplemented. It prevents overgrazing, protects natural water sources, the waste products can be collected for recycling; and it allows large-scale, low cost meat production.

Its pretty fuckin horrible for the critters and fuck knows the meat isn't as good, but its more enviromentally friendly than free ranging or traditional farming.

>>714439369
Vegans don't eat grain?

>>714442612
yeah, i know that for me and other vegans i know it's like that

i'm sure some vegans can be confrontational about it, but most aren't and we just get shit from people who eat meat

>>714442461
Well observed... you could apply that statement to virtually any group of people.

I find that meat eaters are really vocal and arrogant about their diet choices online too (not to mention offline)...

And i actually am a meat eater

>>714442625
how many times has this happened to you? how many vegans have you met?

>>714441935
I eat fish, not meat.

Nigger what.

Please explain to me what fish bodies are made from?? Also do the fish die in order for them to be eaten?

>>714442536
Probably this thing called context, you ignorant nigger.

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>>714442350
>>Implying, gross generalization. This "glass right here niggah"......could kick your fat overweight ass any day, and so could I....I'm nowhere as built and not a true vegan but stop generalizing and stereotyping shit you know little about

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> be vegan
> "I allow myself to eat fish"

Please tell me more.

>>714442625
not that this is a real situation that happens to you frequently, but i'll make this point anyway: someone telling you your choices are bad is categorically not an attack. you choose how you interpret people's words, don't you? well you could choose to listen to them, and to educate yourself.

>>714442689
Context is what is missing you fucking uneducated nigger. Also how the fuck does that even make sense? 50 lbs of grain = a steak.
WUT?

>>714443289
He......said he is not a vegan

>>714443246
When you can count the number of vegans that look like that in one hand, it's not really saying much, is it?

>>714443452
If I were referring to him I would have replied directly fucking nigger

>>714443289
one of my classmates says she's vegan but occasionally eats meat

>>714443413
>someone telling you your choices are bad is categorically not an attack.
>Someone telling you you are wrong because you don't agree with them....is not an attack
You are too stupid to argue with. I think it's the lack of protein.

>>714443037
okay, i meant i don't eat other animals. i eat fish because i like fish, and it's healthy. what's the problem

>>714443413
> friendly advice on choices
Dude, don't stick your dick in crazy.... that bitch is fucking nuts

> an attack on choices
Why do you eat meat? You don't need to eat meat. Eating meat is wrong and unjustifiable. It makes you a bad and ignorant person.

Context.

>>714443449
That steak was a cow......that cow will eat on average that much fucking grain in order to be "labeled" healthy to kill and feed your dumb ass......


So they have to farm the grain, transport the grain, feed the cow, do all this shit, to put one steak at your table. Whereas if you ate the grain, you'd need very reduced amounts.....unless you yourself ARE A cow.... and this saves fuel, money, and spares the cow from suffering pretty inhumane conditions that sometimes makes a concentration camp look like Disney resorts

>>714443554
Who in this thread were you replying to.....

>>714443704
>and it's healthy.
This argument will never get old
Meat is healthy, but idiots like yourself instantly paint meat eaters as mcdonalds eating, lard drinking morons...didn't one of you idiots talk about how meat eaters generalize and what not?

>>714443798
>Using unrelated examples
Christ. get some protein already.

>>714443289
Fish is virtually a vegetable.

>>714443799
So how much grain does a vegan need?

>>714440723
Then the only comment in this shitstorm that makes sense gets ignored... i eat meat, but only once a week. Im ok with vegetarianism that isn't laud as fuck

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>tfw you realise that the only reason eating animals is still legal, considered morally ok, or considered healthy is that the people who own those industries stand to make a profit from the bet that they can keep people believing these things.

>>714443799
You're a retard and a moron.

First of all nigger, you are still missing context. That's all the cow will eat it's entire life?
You're also gonna tell me that when we kill a cow for meat. We get only a single steak from each one?

No, your picture is weak propaganda bullshit made by a fucking twat on tumblr at 15. That's all, fucking dumbass imbecile.

>>714443704
As long as you recognize you are a meat eater.

>>714443413
See
>>714443798

Also, you don't know how to use "categorically."

>>714443924
Meat is not healthy at all are you retarded?
Fish is because of fat acids, which you can alternatively get Out of flax seeds and chia e.g.
What brings you to the idea considering Meat healthy?

>>714443680
i eat meat. i have enough protein.
stop being so triggered. someone telling you yo are wrong is not an attack. grow up and stop fucking crying.

>>714443924
>didn't one of you idiots talk about how meat eaters generalize and what not?

the irony

>>714444370
>Meat is not healthy at all are you retarded?
kek, ok bud, you got me, I bit the bait. You can stop pretending to be retarded now,

>>714444073
Trying to act like him using 2 examples (1 more than you can keep up with) somehow makes his point less valid or not totally understandable... Try again after a steak.

>>714444604
I don't think I denied that meat eater generalize, did I?
fucking idiot.

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>>714439752
>Why do you hate vegans
They're annoying

>>714444354
okay i'm a meat eater. but eating meat still ruins the environment, is evil as fuck, and inherently a bad decision. but yes, i eat meat. and i'm advocating for non meat-eaters. it's possible to argue for someone else's cause isn't it, because it's important for every person to realise that not all of their choices are always right.

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>>714444354
i'm pretty sure that picture is (kg of food an average cow eats in its life)/(kg of meat we get from an average cow)

nobody is saying a cow eats only 25 kg of grain in its life

>>714444687
Give one proof Meat is healthy.
Read the China study.
Countries with highest Meat consumption have highest cancer rates.
Post chemo patients are on vegan diet to stay in Remission.
People with longest lifespan -> Indians,chinese -> eat way less meat than us fags.

>>714444717
>Driving a car is bad, use a bicycle
>Walking to china is a good, don't get on a plane
According to you, these two examples should be used in tandem, because...no reason at all.

>>714444458
You're fucking dumb. Holy lmao

If I told you that shitting in the sink was wrong but it's YOUR sink, that is an attack. Did you ask me my opinion on how someone SHOULD shit? No? Then it's an attack. Fucking retard...

>>714442833

Yes they do

?deforestation is the same as eating greens

I just had a mental bluescreen imagining the life form that seriously thinks this

>>714445074
They eat less steak, not less meat.
You know, like chicken, or lamb, or pork, or...you get the idea.

>>714444073
Sorry. Thought a superiour vegan brain would be able to process the concepts without too much trouble.
My bad.

>>714443798
>Eating meat is wrong and unjustifiable. It makes you a bad and ignorant person.

yeah okay, the "eating meat is wrong" part checks out, but who said it makes you a bad person? you're making that up. and no one said it makes you ignorant - i definitely think it's the other way around (i.e. you're probably already ignorant if you eat meat, because otherwise you literally wouldn't be doing it).

>>714445074
Nah it's fine to make your body a graveyard for animal corpse every day, that meat is processed with love and nothing bad

>>714443246
Pull up your pants, degenerate faggot

>>714445178
No in fact they eat less animal products and more grains and vegetables.

>>714445122
is it also an attack to tell people they shouldn't murder people?

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>>714440062
I keked

>>714445122
Could you elaborate but just using a normal sentence (considering that your analogy game isn't too strong).

>>714445299
You ever been to china, or are you just assuming? I understand this is a tactic vegans use, rather than actual evidence, they just kind of guess.

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>>714438437
how is this mental. This is actually pretty accurate. fat "gimme-my-kfc" murican confirmed.

>>714445010
Absolutely. As long as you never claim to not be evil if you believe eating it is evil. Just say, " I think eating meat is evil, ruins the enviroment and is a bad choice, I eat meat so therefore I am evil and purposely choose my food being a steak over the world consequences and my decision is bad and I can never feel or claim moral superiority." Do that, and I have no problem with your logic.

>>714445324
Here it comes, comparing animals to humans.
Tell a lion to stop eating meat, then shut the fuck up.

Im going to eat a shit ton of meat and meat products the whole way through following this thread,whos with me!?

>>714445072
What is this mess of a post? I read that shit 5 times and it was still wtf.

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>>714443246
>greentext

>>714445568
they are the same in that they both feel pain, also the lion needs meat to survive, you don't

also it's good to know your morality and intelligence are as evolved as a lion's

>>714445442
>"In fact"
>Does not mean assume
>I gave source "the China study"
Also see here if youre too dumb to read a 50+ Pages book:
http://cdn3.chartsbin.com/chartimages/l_12730_e68f23369835a5394ce533eff1a0cf83

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>>714439369
There you have it, bitch!

Somebody came up with the plan of feeding pigs larvae which feed on pig's feacies

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I ate a hearty breakfast of bacon eggs and milk products how does that make you feel

>>714445078
Ok, you're trying to be retarded (please)

Your shit was random retard.

He made 2 examples that made actual sense.

You're splitting hairs to try to have something to say.

Telling someone not to cut off their arms and telling someone not to cut off their legs is apperently two different things because it wasn't obvious the fucking point is LIMBS BEING CUT OFF/(MAKING A DECISION AND BEING JUDGED ABOUT DECISONS)

I blame vegetarians for not eating the meat in supermarkets and making good animal meat go to waste.

Filthy degenerates. At least give those pigs, cows and chickens purpose.

You vegans make me sick.

>>714445709
>they are the same in that they both feel pain, also the lion needs meat to survive, you don't
I'm pretty fucking positive I need nutrients to survive, and it just so happens that meat provides most of them.
I don't feel the necessity to eat 7 times, consisting of grains and...grains, a day to get the required nutrients I need while on a vegan diet.
>also it's good to know your morality and intelligence are as evolved as a lion's
Man, I can almost see your aura up on that high horse, please tell me some more about how much better than me you clearly are, oh wise and mighty one!

>>714445484
but that would make me the same as you. but there's a few differences between you and i that would be totally lost if i claimed to be exactly the same as you. i try to cut down the meat i eat all the time, i haven't eaten any meat in about 3 months. and currently - even though we're both meat eaters - i am advocating for veganism and vegetarianism, unlike you (you're just advocating for your own personal beliefs - which is stunted, lazy, and pathetic).

but yeah, eating meat is still evil, and i do it, so i am evil.

>>714445078
aLSO FAGGOT, YOUR RETARD HAIR SPLITTER ACCIDENTALLY MADE SENSE.

The point is, using less fossil fuel methods of travel is better. Nice work you made yourself look retarded.

>>714446040
>Dude, don't stick your dick in crazy.... that bitch is fucking nuts
>Why do you eat meat? You don't need to eat meat. Eating meat is wrong and unjustifiable. It makes you a bad and ignorant person.
fine, tell me how these two are related.

>>714445709
>it's ok because a lion does it

>>714445631
A cow weighs 500kg.
You might get 150kg steak out of it.
You will have to feed the cow 1350kg worth of grains that it can reach a weight of 500kg, from its beginning as a 70kg calf. Also an animal burns calories, so fed grain =/= weight gain.
1350/150 = 9
1kg steak, 9kg (fed)grain
I hope you can now understand a little Bit better my primitive carnivore friend.

>>714446045

the only logical conclusion is eat meat

>>714445203
>you're probably already ignorant if you eat meat, because otherwise you literally wouldn't be doing it)

Please say you dont think you are not being condescending and saying that you arent saying your opinion is right

>>714446187
So, you are telling me that you believe you can walk to china? k then, goo to know I'm the retarded one.

>>714446081
you need nutrients, not meat, you can get them elsewhere. ah yes, vegans only eat grains, i forgot.

>>714446281
it seems this is the best argument they can come up with

>>714446436
>you can get them elsewhere.
some examples would be?
>ah yes, vegans only eat grains, i forgot
What do they eat then?

>>714445427

Are you a fucking moron??

It's pretty simple dumbass. Telling me (you arent an objective source of morality) that something is wrong or bad if I didnt ask your OPINION (NOT FACT) then you are attacking if you say anything negative about what I am doing. Go to fucking school FFS

Actually OP you can walk to china,not all posters on 4chan are american. Have you never heard of marco polo. Dumb shit

Let us remember that plants are sentient life too.

>>714444770
uhh... that wasn't my point. you're giving someone grief for generalising, based off something another person said
>>didn't one of you idiots talk about how meat eaters generalize and what not?
that's generalising

>>714446281
No, it's ok because that's what has happened for all of antiquity.
And every single carnivore and omnivore as well, not just lions.

>>714446081
Do you have any idea of a healthy meal Plan?
Meat does Provide some Proteins and fat, Iron, vitamin b12.
Thats it. Live from Meat only and die by 40 like the neanderthals.

>>714439216
Kek

>>714446621
are you really claiming you can only get nutrients from meat and vegans only eat grains...

>>714446753
Not, I'm giving someone else grief for purposely placing themselves on a high horse, but then contradicting themselves in the same sentence.
....idiot.

>>714446648
why are you so angry? no one's attacking you. learn to have an argument without getting emotional when someone disagrees with you.

>>714446773
Well then lets Kill some niggers and burn some jews again because thats what happened for the last 200 years?

>>714446864
>are you really claiming you can only get nutrients from meat
No, I'm claiming i can get more nutrients from meat, than i can from other sources.
>vegans only eat grains...
Then answer the question.

>>714446773
>it's ok because they did it in the past

>>714446162
- i am advocating for veganism and vegetarianism, unlike you (you're just advocating for your own personal beliefs

You sure like putting words in others mouths and assuming while taking the moral high ground even though you are undeserving of it.

Great! 3 months??! So basically you're like the pastor who rapes little boys at night and during the day he speaks the word of god and how homosexuality is a sin?

You need more than meat to fix that retard logic of yours.

Morally, this makes you WORSE THAN me. Also, please tell me more about myself you dumb fucking faggot ass nigger.


Wait so id there some objective truth that says that you are supporting an objective moral right??


No? Oh so that means you are just advocating your own beliefs too dipshit.

>>714438437
Meh. She's basically right, and as much as I love steak, cattle have a huge negative impact on the environment. Way too much energy and water required per pound of food, not to mention grazing land.

>>714447026
Yeah, and it continues to happen, what's your point?
And people still kill each other over land, over territory, what's your point?
And people will still eat meat...what's your point?

>>714439369
So you wanna starve the animals? sick fuck

>>714447063
Yeah, that's exactly what I said, are you retarded?
or are you mindlessly parroting stuff to attempt to appear smart?

>>714447060
but you can get more than enough of them without killing animals and destroying the planet, isn't that nice

just google "vegan food"

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>>714446773
>killing humans, bad
>killing animals, good
>we = above animals
then why do you do this thing?
>because lions do this thing

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>>714446081
meat WOULD be perfectly fine if you had to pay your own medical bills, lazer guided karma is being thwarted now and this is the real issue

>>714447060
> I'm claiming i can get more nutrients from meat, than i can from other sources.
>Kek'd
You can get SOME nutrients in a higher concentraded form out of it. And even these (protein measured by biological availabilty) are not really top tier quality.
It seems youre lacking basic nutrition knowledge for this debate, my friend.

>>714447308
Humans are animals, so I can compare one animal to another, but I can also say that a whale is superior to a shrimp.
Want to guess what whales eat, by the way?

>>714447232
yeah they also wallowed around in their own filth in the past too. and ate babies. and prayed to trees. and were scared when the night came because they thought it would never get light again.

>>714446343
Except you're conveniently ignoring all of the other products that come from the cow besides the steak.
Like any other biased retard, make sure you only account for things that support your stance and don't ever try to consider all of the data.

I know the answer,whales eat cheese on toast and pot noodle!!!

>>714447533
you're beyond.

>>714446422
Way to change the subject. Nice try tho.

>>714446576
It's true tho. Who says it isn't? You're just meat. Your opinion is irrelevant.

>>714446944
Way to change the subject when your point is devalidated.

>>714447026
You don't take your own logic seriously at all do you?
Gotta split those hairs.

You're liek the guy who is being charged for murder and he stands and yells She was gonna die anyway at some point in her life!"

>>714447548
Oh yeah? and as time went by, they became smarter, and more self aware...but want to know what didn't chance from then until now? our eating habits.

>>714447477
>thinks soybeans have more amino acid constituents gram for gram than red steak
Ell. Oh. Ell.
Liberal vegans are literally taught lies in college these days.

>>714447163
My point is that there is people willing to evolve.
And then there is people like you not being ready for Change.
Life consists of Change.
Im so happy not all people are like you, or we would still be picking berries and hunting deer to survive.

>>714447533
>whales eat a prawn
>me eat prawn too
>bingo

>>714447675
>Way to change the subject. Nice try tho.
I didn't change the subject, my original reply is here
>>714446231
I made that post because you stupidly think those two examples are relatable.

>>714447761
see >>714444225

>>714440875
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!

>>714438437
I don't think they eat trees, retard.

>>714447562
Really? What other great products does a cow offer?

>>714447819
No you just have someone to do that for you so you can walk into walmart and buy venison and berries.

>>714447670
Way to thwart me with logic.
>>714447856
So used your argument against you, and your first instinct is to go right back and use it again? you so smarty!!

>>714448040
leather is totally worth the deforestation and suffering guys, WHAT WOULD WE WEAR OTHERWISE???

>>714441935
Fish don't have sad eyes and don't scream, so they are okay to eat!

>>714447949
I hunt deer, I clean and prepare it myself, and I don't pay shit to that industry. Try again.

>>714447533
but then what does an elephant, who is also more evolved than a shrimp, eat? CHECKMATE

>>714447675
>ooooooh i'm being attacked
>owwwy it hurts! stop attacking me and my feelings
>please just leave me alone and stop telling me it's wrong to systemically oppress, and ultimately pay for the killing of, other animals.

>>714447938
Holy shit you fucking moron. You removed the context so you could split hairs.

He was saying that you telling him the first one is you just giving your opinion on something OBVIOUSLY negative. The second id an example of you taking your opinion and telling him his way is wrong.

You're trying too hard to be retarded.

>>714447819
If we were still picking berries and hunting deer we wouldnt have the deforestation and cattle breeding would we honey? Its you 'evolved' people that caused this mess,so just let us neanderthals handle buisness and get back to not shaving your armpits

>>714447819
I've tried vegan life style, it's a burden, I couldn't last half a year.
I'm willing to change when the change is worth it.

>>714448279
Are you using that argument? what do dolphins eat?

>>714448154
Cotton and plastic?

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>eating meat ruins the enviroment

>>714447675
you just accused two people of changing the subject when they literally didn't... and by doing so, you changed the subject...

that's next level dodging

>>714448490
i only used it to show that it's a retarded argument that shouldn't be used seriously

>>714448336
So how are those examples related?
>>714446231
that question still needs an answer.

>>714448218
oh, then i actually have no problem with you.

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Stop being so pretentious.

>>714448326

Nothing is "wrong." That's your opinion.

Idgaf either way. I do me and if you wanna talk shit I'll let you until you get in my way, then you're fucking meat kid. The only reason other people exist is because people like me allow them to. I am a shark and humans are nothing but resource to me.

>>714448411
Ive been for 8 years.
Not missing a thing

>>714448652
Why not? the whole basis of the argument is "durr, we iz more evolved than lion eating cow, so no eat cow!!"

>>714448660
Oh so its industry youre mad at not meat eaters?

>>714448499
Eating meat doesn't; producing it does. The ecological impact of industrial meat production, cattle farming etc is totally insane. Starting with the amount of freshwater that is needed to supply animal farming. Read up on it.

>>714448212
uhh... i know it's bad to eat fish... why are you confusing my advocation of veganism and vegetarianism as some kind of self-defence endeavour? i'm a meat eater, and i think it's wrong. if you're a meat eater, you're wrong too.

>>714448336
By the context of what they were poised to, if you aren't trolling right now, you are literally the very stupidest person I have ever spoken to on purpose.

>>714448743
Good for you, don't really care how well it's going for your life, since it's not mine.
You go eat your grain, and I'll eat my meat.

>>714439216
kek

>>714448720
this is like cringe fanfiction

>>714448797
i'm pretty sure the argument is "durr, you are destroying the planet and making countless living beings suffer with your choices, maybe you shouldn't"

>>714444225
Oh, you sound so enlightened and superior.
But do you really believe that tripe?

>>714448522
How did i change the subject? By not saying "no retard, you can't walk to china, you'll get wet feet dummy!"???


Just because you have a mental disability, doesn't mean I have to pity (you)

>>714448835
For me it is the industry.
Theyre Far responsible for Meat overconsumption. Theyre doing stuff called Lobbying.
If all people would hunt their own Meat, the amerimcfatties would have to Go to Kamp karrot First to Catch up with a hog, Till then - only grains and vegetables

>>714447306
delusional freak lel

>>714449195
what about it is delusional?

>>714449075
>making countless living beings suffer with your choices
But also having countless living begins have wonderful Sunday afternoons.

>>714444354
Is your comprehension really this bad? Did your College Board tests come back in the bottom 10%?

>>714448836
So what your saying again is industry. So if i go and buy my meat from a smallholding with over 100years of history and no morw than 10 head of cattle a few pigs and some chicken,im ok to eat the meat milk and eggs produced here? Old farmer andy treats his animals well so....

most deforestation is done in order to produce more pastures for cattle, or soy and the such, for feeding that cattle.

Source: I live in one of the countries with highest deforestation rates.

>>714449167
I think you had an aneurysm in that last sentence, the fuck were you even trying to say?

>>714448864
See you messed that up.

You said that you think it's wrong that you eat meat but (objectively) stated that someone who is not you and since you are not god have no say on right or wrong is WRONG. I eat meat and don't think it's wrong, you eat meat and think it's wrong. So that makes you a shitbag because you don't even follow your own beliefs but have time to shit on my plate? Go eat a field of grass you dumbass.

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Fucking meat is good

>>714448835
i'm not mad at anyone. i just think that most meat eaters don't want to accept that it's pussy as fuck to just pay for an animal to be kept in a cage, and treated like shit and made to feel upset and like shit every day of its life, and then for it to just die. just so they can go to a store and buy its meat so they can have dinner. and then they go and cry about people saying they are wrong because their feelings are hurt. shit like what one guy in this thread has been saying to the effect of "you're attacking me if you disagree with me". i think it's disgraceful.
if you hunt and kill your animals, i have no real problem with you, because you don't do any of this shit, and you don't fund the hideous corporations who perpetuate this kind of mentality.

Itt: people who care about other peoples eating habits so much it makes them physically angry.

>>714448655
By the context of what they were poised to, if you aren't trolling right now, you are literally the very stupidest person I have ever spoken to on purpose.

It's like you want an answer to why blue is called blue and not called green.

>>714449595
>if you hunt and kill your animals, i have no real problem with you, because you don't do any of this shit, and you don't fund the hideous corporations who perpetuate this kind of mentality.
So me killing an animals is ok, even though the animal will still suffer and die?

>>714449442
Typing on german Keyboard sorry.

Fat people wont be able to hunt effectively everywhere. E.g. areas where only poultry is available. So if the industry doesnt provide fatties with Meat, they will be forced to a plant based diet. They will lose weight and then just Catch as much as they need.
But as it is now, its just wrong.

>>714449504
definition of clutching at straws

>>714449733
No, see, the context was how vegans attack meat eaters. Two things could have been done, the second example.
>Why do you eat meat? You don't need to eat meat. Eating meat is wrong and unjustifiable. It makes you a bad and ignorant person.
makes sense, since it has to do with the actual argument.
>Dude, don't stick your dick in crazy.... that bitch is fucking nuts
This has nothing to do with what is being discussed, so I ask again, how are they similar?

>>714449747
difference is a free life, their suffering is less than a minute

>>714449839
That's probably true, we've evolved to the point where we can be lazy about our survival.

>>714449747
>no real problem

we can't all be perfect, i think is the moral here.
but hunting is at least 110% better than paying for factory farming, and sitting on your overweight behind.

>>714449331
You're a retard.

The picture has 0 context. It's not a graph. It's actually inaccurate even WITH explanation.

It's like you posted a pepe meme and youre writing an expose on how it speaks to you but it doesn't have any text on it so it's just a smiling frog guy.

You really need to get an education and understand how charts work.

>>714448836

because plantations/farms don't space right huh?

it's been proven that lately due to the high demand and profit, producers of pistaccio and organic vegetables for example started fucking up more rainforests to make farming space.

>>714449747
You are taking what you need.
Tons of meat are thrown away Daily due to overproduction.
Of course a plant based nutrition is healthier and better. But your way of eating meat is by far not that bad. Your animals will suffer for a couple of minutes. Industry cows have a life similar to Anne Frank.

>>714449999
So it's ok for me to kill an animal, simply because it used to be free? The fact that I will be ending its life doesn't matter, since it had a good life?

>>714450089
I hope Adolf will arise from the ashes and bring balance again.

>>714443246
>Don't generalize
>Proceeds to generalize
Lol gg get rekt fag

>>714450222
it's not that it doesn't matter. it's the lesser of two evils. he's trying to give you some slack here, even though you're clearly a fuckwit.

>>714449504
The definition of not being able to understand english but repeatedly asking the question being answered.

Clutching at straws? This was my point from the op you fucking retard.

>>714450215
>Of course a plant based nutrition is healthier and better.
Not true, just like there are plenty of studies that show a plant based nutrition is good, there are also many that show that and ALL plant based nutrition can be bad. Just wanted to throw that out there.
>Industry cows have a life similar to Anne Frank.
The industry doesn't catch these animals and then place them into captivity, they are born into it, they don't know any other life.

>>714449595
Ok well the amount of swearing from your posts has made it look that way. I personally buy meat. But i live on a small(ish) island 28×15 miles. Local meat fish and produce is easily sorced on my doorstep. Does this make me a terrible person or somebody who believes if a food animal is given a good environment(i e not battery farmed/free range) and length of life(i e no hormones) does that make me a bad person?i know i dont kill them myself but trust me their techniques would be alot more humane and quick than my own. I do fish though and that i do kill myself

Are there any meat-eaters in this thread who think it's bad to eat meat? Just curious.

>>714450174
Are you comparing pistacchio and Meat consumption you pristine specimen of a trisomy humanoid?

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>>714438437
a lot

>>714450407
No, you don't do that. You don't claim to be a righteous beacon of hope that would never hurt another living thing, and then be ok with it.

>>714449925
Nigger, it was an example! no one said it was related you dumb ignorant fuck.

the point was, anyone with half of a brain and not suffering from SEVERE NUEROSIS...UNDERSTANDS THAT IT WAS AN EXAMPLE AND REQUIRED 0 CORRELATION OT THE DIRECT TOPIC.

You're like the little kid that's like "but you said we not you and I!"

>>714450557
Would it be okay if your wife ever gets children i just Lock them up in a room of 5 Square meters after theyre born? It will be ok for them, since they wont know anything different..

Being vegan wont stop you dying.
its a moral choice & if everyone was less militant about it & took on board the fact that NOT EVERYONE will give a fuck about said morals because 1) greed will win. 2) the planet will heal itself. 3) did i mention that we'll die regardless.
unless you think that you, the 1 person & your band of mouthy, bias rhetoric spouting, new wave of self indulgent fantasists will save the world with almond milk & selfies.
just get on with your life, you aren't that important. none of us are in the grand scheme of things .

>>714450821
Which is why I made the other example.
>>714445078
Which also clearly has nothing to with the argument.
Furthermore, I never actually changed the subject, technically.
You seem mad, maybe you need to go have some oatmeal or something.

>>714450594
i never said it makes you a bad person.
and yeah, eating meat from free-range organically farmed animals is definitely better, but still not right in my opinion. just the idea of imprisoning another animal purely to use their bodies and kill them doesn't sit right with me somehow, but it's just my opinion. you're entitled to your own opinion, and no i do not think you're a bad person, please don't go around thinking that that's what im trying to say here. you're probably really nice.
also i just want to add that it's not really a valid point to say that meat farming is ok just because if it was up to you, you'd kill animals in a more horrible way... that doesn't make much sense and doesn't make you look that great either. have a nice day.

>>714450887
Would I be ok? probably not.
Would they know the difference between this life and a "good" life? probably not.

>>714449925
Definition of NEUROTIC.
He gets the point and what the guys said, he just needs it to be said a certain way to feel satisfied.

Clearly the point was that one example is of someone sayin something as a warning of danger the other is someone saying that their opinion is morally superior.

If you REALLY don't understand that point then I can't help you. Neurosis is serious shit.

>>714451024
Why are you in this thread?
I just wasted 15 seconds of my life reading this, there is neither philosophical nor scientific content in this, its just..sentences.
>Kek

>>714438437
kek, what a lame attempt to sound superior.
This bitch will be buried under the same dirt that i will, whether she is vegan or not.

>>714450705
this, kids, is what we call a straw man

>>714451184
Well if I gave you the choice, how would you choose?
If freedom for Babies -> what makes the difference to the animals youre hunting?

>>714449595
It's pussy as fuck to spend your time on a website instead of planting trees while trees are cut down and made into telphone wires. No one cares what you think. It isnt god.

>>714438437
Its always weird and annoying to me when people lump together opinions (right or wrong) that have nothing to do with each other. Like the fuckin' Neverending Story troll asking why atheists deny climate change.

Although I guess being annoying is the point.

>>714450222
Why are you trying so hard not to come to an understanding with this guy? It's like you want him to hate you.

>>714450821
Which shows that you got it all along but are just neurotic as fuck and have an ego issue.

>>714451432
>Trees are cut down and made into telphone wires
>Lmao

>>714451182
Actually what i meant in regards to the killing of the animals was that i have zero experience in this field apart from fish and rabbit. If i had to kill a cow id make a massive hash of it and prolong its suffering. The fact youve just jumped to a place of sadism kinda says alot about your opinions on people who eat meat. I was one of the people on here that wasnt attacking you and actually asking quesgions but ya know cheers for making me feel alienated

>>714451266
Ah, I see your problem, you jumped in the middle of the discussion like a spastic monkey, without knowing what was fully being discussed.
See, the first post talked about how vegans attack meat eaters, by telling them their choices are wrong, at attack.
Someone else said that it's a matter of choice to take these things vegan say as attacks.
Then comes your retarded post about two things that have nothing to do with what is actually being discussed, to which I answer by also giving two example that have nothing to do with what is being discussed.
Then you took an hour long shit because of your grain constipation, and the rest is history.

>>714450557
oh shit, ok. i forgot that farmed animals don't know anything other than a life of captivity, being unloved and used solely for their bodies. that makes it so much better and easier to understand.

>>714451066
Which shows that you got it all along but are just neurotic as fuck and have an ego issue.

>>714451432
>trees
>telephone wires
>wires

>>714451616
>>714451810
At least I manage to respond to the correct post the first time I try.

>>714451691
oh no, the person who literally pays for animals to be kept in captivity, and not given a shit about, and ultimately killed... feels alienated............................
and ok, cool point about not being able to kill a cow... but i dunno, i think maybe if you can't kill it, you probably shouldn't be eating it.

>>714451432
trees, wires, tomatoes, potatoes, either way i'm not sure if you're the right person to be giving moral counselling.

>>714451691
if you're intelligent enough to think for more than a few seconds about whether it's ok to eat meat or not, i think you're intelligent enough to bounce back from a good old spot of alienation. lol

>>714452105
If it came down to it and the word was 2000 years less advanced i would have to. It would also be extremely hard to eat vegan too if you live in a teperate climate like i do,you just wouldnt get the callories. Its completely off topic but the percious metals used to make your smartphones tablets and other good come from bad sorces too but here you are on 4chan. We cant all live off the grid and stop these things. If you choose to be vegan why ignore where lithium comes from?

>>714451747
Actually retard, that was not me. I agreed with the person you think I am though because for some reason, understanding that someone telling you (A) not to chop your leg off is a reasonable thing to say to someone without imposing on their views and (B)saying that the fact that they masturbate twice a day is morally unjust is an attack on someones views and life choices is too difficult for your chicken mind to comprehend.

OR made somehow invalid because both of those examples weren't about masturbation or chopping legs.

It's called fucking context you ignorant fuck.

Less than a monkey.. Idiot....

If you STILL dont catch on. Please die.

>>714451979
Ad hominem at it's finest. As expected.

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I'm up in this thread being vegan, just here enjoying my faster recovery time, more energy, clear skin, good shits, lesser risk of getting heart disease, diabetes, obesity, bone diseases and injuries, alzheimer's, basically anything you can think of
>not reading shit

>>714452105
Like you? Also why? IS IT BECAUSE YOU ARE GOD ANS DECIDE WHAT should be?

>>714452703
>OR made somehow invalid because both of those examples weren't about masturbation or chopping legs.
Why is it so hard for you to understand this? like I am seriously baffled about the fact that you think an example about chopping off legs, or masturbating, should be used when talking about vegans attacking meat eaters.
You failed high school, didn't you? just admit it.

>>714452832
ad hominem to an ad hominem.

>>714452697
hey, we're the same, you and i
>we're both on 4chan
>you eat meat
the same!

>>714453022
Doesn't make you right or me wrong, but nice try.

>>714452868
>Taking pride in being retarded.
ok

>>714453022
i'm not that person, but how did you expect them to respond to that? your way of arguing is really frustrating

>>714439195
god you're a faggot

>>714453090
We're moving to irony now?

>>714453209
That i've never heard before, how is it frustrating?

>>714452868
>better shits
wtf

>>714453151
i'd like to know how you think that argument is retarded?

>>714453326
because you kind of changed the subject, and then game someone a hard time for commenting on your subject change as if they were doing the same thing. kind of frustrating. anyhoo i'm out bye.

>>714452909
please rephrase your question, because maybe i'm too dumb to understand it, or you maybe aren't being coherent.

>>714452956
Are you fucking retarded
Like actually retarded?

Who the fuck ever said the examples were related?
NO ONE! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR RETARDED FUCKING MIND!!

THE POINT WAS NOT EVER FOR THEM TO BE RELATED!!!!!!

YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID I'M AT A LOSS.

Once again, THE EXAMPLES WERE NOT, and are not related!! The examples also did not NEED to be related!!! Never was there a point when they were SUPPOSED to be related.

The fucking point, you incredible dumbass, is that it could have been about ANYTHING, LITERALLY ANYTHING!!!!!

The fact is that example A only had to be about ANYTHING IN THE WORLD that was objectively something to avoid and example B was an opinion forced on someone about how they were objectively right or wrong.

Fuck, please tell me your parents are dead because there is no way anyone could cope with having such a fucking moron for a child.

>>714453359
Taking pride in thinking you are superior, without actually reading what is being said throughout the thread, is retarded.

>>714453067
I eat meat and use technology yes because i choose too. Dont get me wrong,i see the worlds problems but know that no matter what i do im a small fish in an ever increasing pond. If i dont start a logging company,a mining company,a cattle farm,people traffic,sell drugs,produce drugs i know im personally not responcible for the mass destruction of the planet. You not eating meat is the same as me not cutting down trees,it wont amount to dirt in the end

anyway, as a final thought: i came to 4chan to feel a bit more cheered up, but this thread has just reminded me how horrible people are.
goodnight

>>714453090
Unironically, because you are trying to be stupid. Can't actually be that stupid.

>>714453673
man, you seem to be angry for some reason, go warm up some almond milk and relax, we can talk when you are more level headed.

>>714453806
see
>>714451979

>>714453209
Like right? I've met people who were really nuerotic but this guy takes the cake. I still can't tell if he's trolling me.

>>714453488
This.

Lol trying to find good in the world on 4chan #fail

>>714453904
there's nothing worse than arguing with someone who argues irrationally.

>>714453807
Not mad, just head hurting from readin idiot comments.

>>714454164
I don't know, using caps AND exclamation points? Even a faggot porn star isn't as butt hurt as you are right now.

>>714454164
But hurt you mean. Somebody callbthe wambulance!

>>714453752
you're secure in the idea of safety in numbers. and that really is the saddest thing.

>>714454131
Yeah, I'm done tho, that guy was a fucking dipshit.

"How can your examples make sense if they arent both about the same thing even if only the contextual aspect is important and you could have just said half the words in binary and it would have made as much sense BECAUSE MOSTLY IT WASNT ABOUT THE TOPIC AT ALL AND DIDNT NEED TO BE TO BE UNDERSTOOD

>>714454307
Its a human trait. Answer this when you go out at night with friends and go home on your own do you feel safe?

>>714454299
"Butt" "CALL THE"

>>714453688
sorry but i think the point there is that they don't need to read other people's - in my opinion - far too emotional and salty comments about their own (also uneducated) beliefs to know the benefits of following a vegan diet. it's fairly obvious to me that that's what they were going for.

>>714454416
You should take my advice, some nice warm almond milk, maybe a cup of oatmeal, a nice warm blanket. You need to work on this anger of yours.

>>714454278
No you.

I win, checkmate.

>>714454633
ayy lmao
I win, check 'em.

>>714454479
not really, no. i live in a rough part of london.

Oh yeah vegan diet seems legit n stuff but getting eggy with people wont help anyone

>>714454578
nO YOU. i WIN!

>>714454571
>about their own (also uneducated) beliefs to know the benefits of following a vegan diet.
Here it goes again.
Don't place yourself too high on that pedestal, it might hurt when you fall.

>>714454719
No me, infinity.

>>714454578
almond milk is actually gooder than a bitch

>>714438437
Not sure if she realizes how obnoxious and righteous people like her are that they dont LET us ignore them...

>Almost 2k18-1
>eating meat
wtf is this meme?

>>714454793
>also uneducated
'also' being the key term here.

read, it's good for you.

>>714438437
Vegetables are what food eat.

>>714454818
That's why I was recommending it, you dunce.

>>714454838
Not sure if you realize how obnoxious and righteous people like you are that you annoy animals to an extend where you pay other people to kill them for you and then cry about some vegans telling you that you are a piece of shit...

>>714454731
See it helps right? Be it potential rapists violence or just being uneasy about things happens safety in number. My previous example was about the futility of numbers not safety within them

>>714454920
hey i'm just commenting on how much "gooder than a bitch" almond milk is. it really is good. but then have you tried alpro cashew milk? it will knock your plant-eating eating socks off!

>>714440062
Haha, thanks for this picture.

>>714454910
So you are very educated? So you know that an all vegan lifestyle is not actually all good? That while eating meat has been proven to be unhealthy, and all vegan lifestyle can also be unhealthy?
Anything in extremes is bad for you.

>>714454920

Not same guy so nice one on angrily calling him a dunce.

>>714455195
No, it was lovingly calling him a dunce.
Like you would call your child a stupid piece of worthless shit.

>>714440062
Is there any nice anon who could create a better version of this picture? I can only find watermarked generator stuff.

>>714455020
my point was that you're surrounded by a large number of people who eat meat and subsequently you feel like you don't have an obligation to change because it won't make a big difference. it's a kind of safety in numbers which is actually very sad. feeling safe around other people because you don't want to get raped at night is a bit different, and totally not the kind of safety in numbers i was talking about. i feel like this argument is getting nowhere.

>>714455122
not the same guy, but most studies which show vegan diets are unhealthy are usually carried out by someone working in conjunction with big corporations in the meat industry.

>>714438437
can't deny she's right

>>714447118
> -
Lost the argument before you even started

>>714443289
It's called a pescatarian, and people tend to follow that diet based on taste/texture preferences. I normally wouldn't consider fish to be "meat", like at a restaurant fish is normally in a separate section

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Wow, I didn't know veganism triggers 4chan as much as feminism.

Don't worry guys, I'll find a way to combine both of them

>>714447118
Nerd rage overload. Hold on to your seat lad.

>>714447118
okay then, i phrased that wrong.

i'm advocating for vegetarianism and veganism

you're advocating for your own personal lifestyle, which is just what i'd expect a lazy and selfish person to do.

we both are meat eaters, and i try to cut down and you don't, and somehow i'm the cunt?

>oooooh

>>714455195
thanks for having my back
>>714455355
i get you, you fucking dunce!