So apparently I'm some sort of socialist. I do believe

>>714406918
Care to explain why? Most countries in poverty beg for capitalism. Also, keep in mind that USA's capitalism =/= free market capitalism. It's what's known as crony capitalism... or when gov't works hand in hand to pull favors for corporations..

According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.

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>>714407053

You're post is triggering me.

>>714407053
You're thinking of bumblebees and that has been disproven. The people who studied them found out that the bumblebees vibrate in a way that does enable them to fly.

>>714407023
>or when gov't works hand in hand to pull favors for corporations..

Because that's the only form of capitalism I have ever seen. It's nothing but systematic abuse.

It's slavery. That's all it is, a modern slavery.

You spend all day working for a corporation generating them revenue, enough revenue for their CEO to me a multi millionaire while you barely get enough to pay for your rent.

But they know that you can't do anything about it. You have no power, without them you're homeless. What can you do, leave? What then, they hire some other poor sap for the same wage, or better yet, they send the entire workforce to some other unfortunate third world shithole who have it even worse than us, who they can pay even less and force to work even more.
It's a sham.

>>714406918
Get the fuck out of here you commie bastard.
Go live in a cave and eat beets, because that is what communism is.

>>714407419
Beets are dope, fucker. I love me some fuckin' veges.

>>714407023
Free market capitalism inevitably evolves into cartel, or as you call it - crony capitalism.

A free market is a paradox. It *can* exist, but only for one generation. Then, either the market leaders form cartels to kill off new rivals and it evolves into crony capitalism. Or, the state steps in and hits the reset button and breaks up the cartels and monopolies. Which is command economics and not a free market.

The free market should not even be entertained as a utopian state. All approaches have their time - the key is knowing when to use each at the right moment.

A free market is perfect for rewarding innovation and creating a brief meritocratic system. This is ideal in times of seismic change - such as the birth of the web, which created new businesses that are destroying the old: like Amazon.

Anyone who tells you it is possible to sustain a free market for indefinite periods is one of two things:
-one of the cronies running the show
-a person with no technical understanding of money behaves in the commercial sector.

And remember, folks: A national budget will never

E V E R
V
E
R

behave in the same way as a household budget.

>>714407399

And that's only a superficial view.

The government works hand in hand with corporations because the officials in power have been receiving cues since they were candidates. They are put there because they will play ball with the rich.

Now the middle man has been removed in the US. The rich longer have to groom and cultivate politicians to do their bidding, they now have direct political power, they are being appointed to office themselves, without having to defer to cronies or buy influence.

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>>714407419
>He said he 'doesn't eat beets'!

>>714407419
Commie?
That would put him in the authoritarian socialist part of the spectrum, not the liberal.

>>714407704
So the system has failed and it needs to end if we are to move forward.

>>714407667
I don't expect you'll get a reply to this, sadly.

>>714407765
If you ain't right you're wrong.
Better to be dead than red.

>>714408051
I, too played that videogame.

>>714407399
So you think socialism is a valid system in response to that? You've done well explaining potential pitfalls of capitalism but you haven't explained why you think socialism is a better system.

As for your points, guess what? Socialism creates a corporation for the state. The only difference is now you have government officials monopolizing markets that once belonged to the competitive economy. They tell you what you get, how much, how good it has to be (usually the bare minimum), and you have absolutely no power and all this at the cost of everyone (taxes). I can agree, any form of market in one location of the world is not infinitely sustainable. But, if history serves us as a reference, we can see that socialism destabilizes much quicker.

>a modern slavery
This shit is said by so many people that get paid to work it makes me cringe. You likely haven't ever been a slave. Slaves don't fucking get paid, friend.

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What does this say about me?

>>714407667
And a state-controlled "utopia" wouldn't devolve into that sort of thing, either? I'm not sure if you're defending socialism or just blindly attacking capitalism.
Here's something I read that helped change my mind about what you've just said:
https://mises.org/library/wouldnt-warlords-take-over

>>714408261
>why you think socialism is a better system.
Because this system has proven itself ineffective, and what do you do when something has completely and utterly failed? You use a different methodology.
It's probably not perfect but a system designed and built around everyone being equal already has more qualifications than a system designed by the ones with power to live off and further increase that power.

>But, if history serves us as a reference, we can see that socialism destabilizes much quicker.

I honestly don't actually believe that. If the soviet union wasn't undermined and attacked at every opportunity by the US I think it would have worked out.

>You likely haven't ever been a slave. Slaves don't fucking get paid, friend.

They no longer need to take you by force because they system in place means you will crawl to them and do everything they say, because what is the alternative? There literally isn't one.

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>>714406918
hail hitla

>>714408714
>proven itself ineffective
Okay, sure, go on... explain... keep in mind that the free market has allowed businesses that create virtually all of your possessions to thrive.
>everyone equal
That's not how life works.
>I honestly don't actually believe that
Well, there's plenty more communist/socialist countries that failed you can reference. Try Venezuela, Cuba...
>They no longer have to take you by force
If you have 10 dollars, you currently hold the purchasing power that comes with that- you can make someone give you a good or service, such as food. Slaves don't get that. Slaves have *NO* purchasing power and live in extremely inhumane conditions.

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>>714408959
Not Hitler tier. But you are a good guy. You support your country.

Unlinke these
>>714406918
>>714408400
Pieces of shit

>>714408714

Also...
>there literally isn't one
Yeah, you can make a business in a free market.

>>714409189
>free market has allowed businesses that create virtually all of your possessions to thrive.

Manufacturing still goes on in socialist society

>That's not how life works.
That's what you're forced to believe

>Well, there's plenty more communist/socialist countries that failed you can reference. Try Venezuela, Cuba...
I'll do some research, but straight off the bat logic dictates that capitalism works because of the established trade networks across nations, but the US made sure that the backbone of the established networks of socialism were broken when they undermined the union. So what few countries are left are without support. Single capitalist nations with no support from anywhere else would be falling apart, too.

> Slaves don't get that. Slaves have *NO* purchasing power and live in extremely inhumane conditions.

Look into the Chinese workers that manufacture products for Apple and other conglomerates. They're not 'slaves' but look at what they must endure and tell me it isn't inhumane conditions.
And the only reason most people don't seem to give a fuck about that is everyone has this apathetic 'well, it doesn't directly affect me' attitude.

>>714408714
The thing you fucking idiots will never get through your bind is that it will never work. Yes, we can all agree it sounds alright on paper.
Apart from the working, thats just dumb and will turn into communisum.


Humans will never be able to hold a stable Communist or Socialist society. No matter how hard we try corruption will always take over.

Take all the chans for example. They start off with free speech. Then after they get popular and can dictate what people post. Make them realise they can benefit from it.

They then start deleting posts. Locking threads. Banning people with no reasons. And you have no say! Just look at the majority of 4^2chan and 4chan.

> Average American makes of $30,000 a year
> I make over that and I'm 18
> Most people I work with are felons
> Work provides insurance
> Work pays for if I'm injured
> I'm also a dropout

It took me a week to get this job, and it's the best job I've ever had. And I've worked plenty of jobs from fast food to farm labor. All the problems with capitalism are individual shortcomings, not the system's. The only people this system fucks over are unmotivated and/or lazy people.

>>714409249
420? I'm fine with that.

>>714409294
>Yeah, you can make a business in a free market.

Oh sure, let me gather up my giant pile of resources- oh wait. I have none. That's why I'm forced to work for someone else, and live on land that belongs to someone else.

>>714408959
Thats not anywhere near adolf m8

>>714409721

Get good credit and get a loan faggot. I'm friends with lots of small business owners and have worked for them and that's how they started. You're just too much of a lazy fuck to think like that though.

>>714409625
>socialist countries
You mean state capitalist countries. There are no socialist countries.

>>714409688
I despise you

>>714409635

>Take all the chans for example. They start off with free speech. Then after they get popular and can dictate what people post. Make them realise they can benefit from it.

>They then start deleting posts. Locking threads. Banning people with no reasons. And you have no say! Just look at the majority of 4^2chan and 4chan.

That's what fucking happens with capitalism

>Small group of people band together around niche idea and create something
>Likeminded people find this and become part
>Even more people come in off the back of those
>The people running the show realise 'Oh shit, we can make money off this' and then are forced to appease the advertisers by deleting threads and suppressing opinions because they're not 'advertiser friendly'

>>714409249
But I don't even like Che Guevara

>>714409838
Hitler was centre authoritarian, so he's pretty close.

>>714407419
>not eating beets
>current year

>>714409844

Again, you're still being fucked.

The people with the money decide to sling a little bit of it your way because they generate revenue from that. They charge absurdly high interest rates and at the first sign of any issue they take your business, house and your car.

So let's see you manage to pay back the loan and interest, great. That just means that you yourself are now fucking over other people like you were being fucked before.

>>714408609
>I'm not sure if you're defending socialism or just blindly attacking capitalism.

If you think either of those, then you didn't read the post correctly.

All economic approaches have their place, if deployed at the correct times.

The idea that laissez faire can be both free and balanced is a paradox. Nobody tries to claim a free market is devoid of entropy. But nobody discusses it, either.

The meritocratic success story of generation one becomes the uncompetitive monolith of generation two, and the corrupted cartel of generation three. It's not just a likely outcome: it is the inevitable endgame of every late-era free market.

>>714410125
Protip: The drugged up gangster next door is not a good person to get a loan from. Try a bank next time.

>>714409993
Holy fuck. It happens with every ideologiy. But with socialism which is communisum for babies who just wannna smoke that dank XD. Will collapse if one person in the governemt goes against what hes doing and keeps a little to himself. And I mean complete shut downs of countries. Shut downs that take ages to come back from.

Just because you are working a shit job because you went shit at school dosent mean you cry IT WAS CAPITALISM all your life. Do courses on what you're interested. Reach for a better job. Yes it will be fucking hard. But im doing that now. Not blaming anyone for any failures I made

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>>714407419
>doesn't eat beets

>>714410261
>Try a bank next time

Why, it's still run by sociopathic gangsters on coke.

>>714410378
Yes, but the interest rate will be lower, and the police will stop them from stealing your shit "at the first sign of any issue", since that would be illegal.

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>>714406918

>>714409993
ur so autistic its hilarious

>>714410378

> Obviously never gotten a loan before
> Probably never been too a bank

Kys faggot it turns out the people who run those banks are actually people. I've got a loan out rn and I'm only paying 4% interest a year and I'm gonna have it paid off by June

>>714410293
>Just because you are working a shit job because you went shit at school dosent mean you cry IT WAS CAPITALISM all your life. Do courses on what you're interested. Reach for a better job. Yes it will be fucking hard. But im doing that now. Not blaming anyone for any failures I made

I'm a filmmaker, I love my life. But that doesn't overrule the fact that people born to millionaire parents will never have to work a hard day in their life because when you have that much money you simply use to to create more money by forcing those with less than you to create you more revenue and in exchange you don't pay them anything close to what they're actually earning you.

>>714410147
Ah, I get your point now - I assumed you were responding on behalf of socialism. It makes much more sense. I can agree that inevitably all markets become clogged with inefficiencies, but I don't think that's entirely capitalism's fault.

>>714410515
jill stein

>>714410582
>> Probably never been too a bank

Nah, I keep all my money under my mattress.

>Kys faggot it turns out the people who run those banks are actually people.

If you believe the people that make it into CEO positions are actually good people who care about anybody else other then themselves you're delusional.

>>714410604

Even people who work in paper mills make and average of $45,000 a year. Why? Because if another company offers more then they get those workers. With socialism, you're going to get raped by taxes and make barely more than that teenager flipping burgers.

>>714409249
whoever made this is extremely retarded and probably an american

to all the people getting leftist results on the spectrum, i'd suggest you read some real leftist literature (either marxist-leninist or anarchist for starters anyway) and figure shit out for yourself.

keep in mind that a) liberals aren't left, since they don't oppose capitalism. b) most "alt-righters" in this board are autistic uneducated manchildren with severe psychological issues that form their "political opinion" by projecting their insecurities onto the world. don't let them form their opinion for you, form it yourself

>>714410581
Ad hominem. Nice. You sure showed me.

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>>714407419
This asshat doesn't even eat beets.

>mfw

>>714410642
jill stein isn't left

why are americans so politically uneducated?

>>714410728

> Obviously never had decent job
> Obviously never met CEO before

How do you know what these people are like? Have you met them? Ever even had a chat with a company owner?

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>>714410604
And how is that unfair? You are fucking salty because people are earning more money than you are. And those people are able to support their children.

You'll regret it when you get pushed down to being a bakery worker because the rich kid had his parents bribe the commie (socialist) leaders to strip you of your job. And gove it to the child for a few extra shekels.

>>714410798
>tells everyone that the graph is wrong and that they should get educated on left ideologies
>uses the term alt-right
Ho ho bahahha fuck off

>>714410745
>Even people who work in paper mills make and average of $45,000 a year. Why? Because if another company offers more then they get those workers

True. But looks what's happening now. The owners of these mills are going 'Know what, we don't actually want to pay these people living wages when we can abuse Mexican/Chinese/Philippine/Indian workers, we can pay them cents on the dollar, make them work in inhumane conditions and sack them the moment they say anything about them because we can replace them in a heartbeat'

>>714406918
lol believing in a ideology of any kind.
lol were all just monkeys on a rock, and leaders are the ones disillusioned by ideology. Every economic system will exploit a portion of the population, selfishness is in are genes mane

>>714410960
>And how is that unfair?
When you have people in the business with more money than a human can logically spend, Gina Rinehart, and people in their employ barely make ends meet, then those people have no right to have so much wealth and should be forced to share it around with their fellow fucking human beings, and don't mention tax, because we all know how little tax the wealthy actually pay.

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>>714407419
This guy doesn't even beets

>>714411008

> Not realizing even if that were the case then other companies would just offer them more money and better work conditions.
> Also neglecting fact you need to show proof of legal residency to get legit job and immigrants smart enough to get here legally know the above as well.

Kek

>>714411121
> tribal societies have profound different understandings of what is selfish and help each other out

> but its genetic

> tribal societies are therefore less human than us

you're an idiot, lern 2 anthropology you fucking highschooler

>>714411202
Fuck off. When you are at work and someone said to you. "You're earning more money than the rest of the staff. You do work 10x harder. But, you have to give everyone 4 dollars of your pay every shift. Sorry." How would you react? Would you give it to the lazy stoner who says to you "thanks man, picked up my welfare check. Didn't havee enough for some LSD but now I do!"

Tell me for the love of god you'd go against what said people said to you. Otherwise you should probably fuck off with your idiotic idelology

>>714409625
>Manufacturing still occurs in socialist countries
But the devices you use everyday were invented by wealthy countries or businesses and then further improved by businesses that compete against one another for sales. Why do you think there is a 'console flame war'? The products that Sony and Microsoft are creating for gaming are competing for more sales, and yes, in some ways the way these companies compete can be damaging.

>Everyone's born equal
Why can I not be the next Micheal Jordan? Because I don't have the traits that come with being a fit athlete and the will power to get off my ass and workout. Also, not black...

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>>714411008

Also probably never heard of OSHA, nor experienced how serious they are about safety enforcement

>>714406918
socialist are pretty damn authoritarian

>>714411442
you dumb fuck thats the 'how do I read this' scale

dumb ass motherfucker

>>714411510
Actually you're wrong and you're an idiot.

>>714409625
>Manufacturing still goes on
Yes, but manufacturing isn't the issue. It's innovation and invention. Capitalism paves way for people to obtain resources which creates a strong environment to create new, useful products in exchange for reward of money. There is much more incentive for them to do so in a capitalist society, as opposed to taxing a majority of their income. These innovators are then free to use their gain to create more products that people can use.
>That's what you're forced to believe
What? Please explain.. as far as I'm concerned, life hasn't been fair since the origin of man. There will always be unfair advantages in nature.

I agree with a lot of the third point.

>Look into the Chinese workers that manufacture products for Apple and other conglomerates
Believe me, I have. China is considered communistic capitalism. Extremely free markets enforced heavily by government. They have virtually no labor laws. This falls into crony capitalism working with heavy government. http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/China/Labor-Rights-in-China

Oddly, they're still doing better than when Mao was in charge- he was a stonewall communist.

>>714411276
>> Not realizing even if that were the case then other companies would just offer them more money and better work conditions.

Why would they offer them shit when if they keep paying at the same unlivable wage they still win because people are still forced to either work for them or the other guy.

>> Also neglecting fact you need to show proof of legal residency to get legit job and immigrants smart enough to get here legally know the above as well.

Uh, you're aware that they're not actually importing Chinese workers into any other country, right? They just have the goods exported from China/Mexico/India/Mexico/Wherever else they can exploit

You're aware that companies exist where they literal only thing they do is look for countries with exploitable workforces and set up factories/callcentres and these multi billion dollar conglomerates approach them when they need a new workfoce, right?

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BROTHER!

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>>714407115
Your grammar is triggering me

>>714407419
haha doesnt eat beets

>>714411412
>Implying the CEO does anything but come into work at 2pm in the afternoon three days a week

>>714411451
I'm not stating they import workers, I'm stating that they use factories in countries like China where they give zero fucks. Seriously, look up the poor fuckers that make shit for Apple.

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i actually support trump

>>714411706
Comrade!

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>>714411333
so you concede the point that in every society individuals act selfishly,
my point stands that in a society with limited resources and a population that exceeds those resources individuals will claim these resources for themselves and their family to further their genes.
>Lol every other animal acts selfishly everyday >almost unconsciously to survive, but humanity >has this arrogant idea about the goodness of >humans. If you and a woman only had one can of beans left to eat, you would beat her face in with the beans and eat them.

>>714411865
And build the whole fucking company from thw ground. Goes to as many of his properties everyday. (He may only go to yours 3 times a week). He also has meetings.

There is also a fucking lot more. You have no argument. You are just another welfare wanting piece of worthless shit.

You didn't even argue my point

Socialism is the path to marxism.

>>714410960
>>tells everyone that the graph is wrong and that they should get educated on left ideologies
>>uses the term alt-right
>Ho ho bahahha fuck off

full-blown retardation

>>714407419
whats your problem with beets, man?

>>714412555
>doesn't even have an argument
>just calls me a retard
Thats commie logic kids!

>>714412425
>And build the whole fucking company from thw ground.

Great job, genuinely, great job. But for how long do they deserve to be getting paid a million dollars a year when the only thing that's generating them wealth is their employees. Who will never see anything close to that.

> Goes to as many of his properties everyday
What kind of pissant CEO are you talking about, I'm talking about multi national conglomerates run by a corporate boardroom who you will never see, letalone have any form of interaction with.

>
There is also a fucking lot more. You have no argument. You are just another welfare wanting piece of worthless shit.

Okay, friend. Keep going. Try to convince yourself you aren't under the boot.

>>714411451
>Also probably never heard of OSHA, nor experienced how serious they are about safety enforcement

Yeah they show up once in a blue moon and management usually gets tipped off before they arrive.
All they can do is give out fines until a problem gets fixed anyway.

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>>714407419
>this nigga don't eat beets

>>714412761
>try convince yourself you arent under the boot
Yet thats where you were until I told you that you have bo argument.
Now you are just pulling shit out of you ass.

These CEOs deserve and earned every fucking dollar they get. Now you can go talk to one because they would all love to talk and meet anyone during their busy days. And have a nice cup of tea with you and give you a billion dollars for being a special snowflake.

You can reach to see that money. But as I said. You dont like those people. So you will never get that high. No matter how much energy you use. The only way you will make a change is by contracting Ebola and giving it to as many people as you can.

>>714413004
I think you need to eat some beets.

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Beets are for filthy commies

>>714413088
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer beet

>>714413332
was just thinking that, but you beet me to it

>>714406918
>I do believe capitalism is a broken system that needs to be torn down by force.
Not putting you down, but you'll grow up and learn that it's not a perfect system, but it's the closest one that has been invented yet.

>>714412761
>Great job, genuinely, great job. But for how long do they deserve to be getting paid a million dollars a year when the only thing that's generating them wealth is their employees. Who will never see anything close to that.

They create thousands of jobs for people. They make products people want and use, which makes them money. How many jobs have the ones working beneath them created? Zero. What products have they created? Zero. They are getting paid equally to what they contribute.

If you have the balls and brains, maybe you can end up at the top by creating something the people want. But trying to bring down the rich because you feel like they dont deserve it while you are doing jack shit is just pathetic.

>>714413416
Oh you

>>714411442
you stupid asshole, scroll down.

>>714413570
Look at some point you need to realise that what they're getting is disproportionate to what they've actually done.
You've made it abundantly clear that you either cannot grasp hold of that concept or you are unwilling to. Just move along, friend. We're enjoying our beets. But we're happy to share, would you like some?

>>714413702
Chuckled.

>>714413823
I like to work for my beets, and i enjoy getting paid the beets i deserve from working.

They dont get disproportionate amounts of money, they pay out as much as they can, or in case of monopoly they pay the least amount they can. And in case of monopoly, anyone is free to open up competition, become rich in the process, and increase average wages in that area. Hell, they could even improve the product and fuck the other company, take its place and prosper.

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I hate big business and I trust the government as far as I can throw their fattest politicians.

Kill the worst criminals so arent a burden on society, people should be able to fuck who they want but if they have any sort of genetic disability they should be banned from breeding.

I dont really understand my standing on the political compass

>>714414015
>And in case of monopoly, anyone is free to open up competition, become rich in the process, and increase average wages in that area


>Implying you can in any way compete with a billion dollar conglomerate that's used their absurd wealth to break the back of every competitor before you and make sure they control any methods of supply and production

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>>714407419
you're kidding, right?

you really like beets, dont you?

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>>714406918
Libertarian masterrace reporting in

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Wat tink?

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>>714406918
I like your style of thinking

>>714415283
pay your taxes

>714414791

>>714415384
>>714414791

>>714415348
Of course I pay my taxes, but that does not mean I want to.

>>714415458
Fair enough then.

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R8 me

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>>714407419
who the fuck doesn't eat beets????????????

>>714409189
>Slaves have *NO* purchasing power and live in extremely inhumane conditions.

Not to mention that slave's food and shelter is paid for from above, but at their expense. Sounds a bit closer to socialism than capitalism to me.

>>714410147
And here we have a president-elect willing to usher in a new era of trickle-down. Because who doesn't like buying a house without the guarantee you're going to get that house.

>>714410944
Actually, yes. He was a narcissistic piece of shit who couldn't do anything wrong. Great experience, would generalize/10

>>714410582
Same shit with my fucking student loans. I got a fucking job and paid them off in less than a year, because I decided to stay with the folks and be goddamn responsible with how I spent my income.

It's fucking crazy how people think all loans are some kind of predatory scheme, when in reality most people are too proud to be smart with their money.

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"socially liberal and fiscally conservative..you've never met a dbag like me."

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>>714412983
fam

>>714414055
kinda doesn't make sense, you know the whole liberal everyone's life matters, except a white males, bullshit.

>>714416641
everyone's lives matter, except rapists and murderers.

people who exclude white males are just as bigoted as people who want to lynch niggers if not more, at least the white supremacists are honest about their hate.

>>714416835
Oh it should be stated that serial rapists and murderers are the ones that should be put to death, everyone should get once chance unless they are proven to be a monster.

>>714416835
>everyone's lives matter, except rapists and murderers.
same, I also don't think people who were disabled from birth should have children, I would have a huge problem if a child of mine was born with downs or autism. Like a really fucking big problem, because say what you want, thats just a fucking money sink with no return.

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are commies human beings?

>>714417159
human beings who grew up with the right in power, and saw what it did to our economy and society. Just look up the percentage of the millennial generation that's left-leaning.

>>714417071
I agree with you 100%, unless a person is willing to go through that hardship euthanasia should be an option for those who are functionally disabled, nobody should have to suffer that burden.

If I was having a child with a woman and our unborn child was going to be heavily disabled or autistic I wouldn't be able to abort that filth faster.

>>714417132
who are the purple people?

I just don't get it

>>714417495
I think conservative libertarians, though honestly I don't get the chart at all.

>>714417445
Like, its something I've thought about for a long time, and that shit ruins marriages. A lot of women want to keep the baby even if its 'special', but don't realize the emotional and physical cost of maintaining something almost certainly doomed to fail (unless its like Asperger's or some shit)

I feel so disgusting for holding it as an opinion, but logically it just doesn't make any fucking sense.

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Guess I'm average.
Fun thread idea, dick size followed by position on political compass, let's find the correlation.

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>>714406918
>But that'll never happen.

Not with that attitude!

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>>714417723
Woops wrong screenshot

>>714417628
when you arn't authoritarian what does your social outlook matter

"oh I think all these things are wrong, but I'l let you do them anyway"

must be a special kind of faggots

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>not using politicalsimulator.com

>>714406918
>I do believe that capitalism is a broken system that needs to be torn down by force
How didn't you know? What would you be if you didn't believe in capitalism? You sure as hell wouldn't be a capitalist.

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>>714406918
>I do believe capitalism is a broken system
>Im a socialist

Have some bad news for you buddy

>>714417737
technically speaking, a societal uprising in a surveillance state such as this would be ridiculously hard if not impossible. We would need the control of the military to get that shit done, because god knows your gun permit isn't gonna do shit against a trained soldier.

>>714417737
It's true you know.

>>714417947
The government's power is a false strength. Regardless of their capabilities, if even a few percent of the population rose up, there is nothing they could do.

>>714417943
Socialism isn't broken, it just has a negative connotation to it because fascist dictatorial communism has typically followed it. No society has moved from deeply embedded capitalism to socialism, and from the direction capitalism is taking with globalization, it needs to change somehow.

>>714417719
Don't feel bad about it, a child that cant even communicate, that is twisted and contorted, that cannot even close their drooling mouth, with their unfocused eyes, they are barely even human, they are a entity that is suffering.

I've known multiple people who had family members that were functionally broken, they seem drained and broken inside themselves, that because of the burden they have to care for they lose any freedom or pride they would otherwise have.

Sorry about being dramatic, it's just something I feel strongly about.

>>714418034
that may be, but the military's isn't, and the government controls the military.

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>>714417979
Oh, I know.

>>714418171
The United States military is great at destroying other militaries, but look how bad it's done fighting civilian populations asymmetrically.

>>714418306
That is a good point. Look how long it's taken them fighting a bunch of rebels in the middle east.

>>714418358
that's because they try not to kill a lot of civilians along with the terrorists. if they wanted they could bomb everyone to dust in a month

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>>714407419
How can you not like beets?

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im a liberal hitler

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maximum freedom

>>714418475
Fair point.

>>714418475
they did that in Russia, they got a lot of shit about it but hey they dont have shitty terrorists anymore.

>So apparently I'm some sort of socialist.
To get that far left you have to be a commie, and you probably know it if you understood what you answered.

>I do believe capitalism is a broken system that needs to be torn down by force. But that'll never happen.
Try answering based on what you think could work in the real world. Could be insightful to see how far away it ends up.

>>714418117
It requires fascist dictators, you cant naturally make people with wealth and power give up there position without force and many people wont want to share even a minuscule amount of what they own privately. Thus not only does it require a forceful government it requires those who don't want to give up what they have to either die or give it up by the gun, 90% of the population would not go along with this and would have to be killed. National Socialism is the closest to an actual functioninig socialist system and thats because everyone is encouraged to help eachother regardless of economic status and its honest about what that takes to achieve.

>>714418475
And then they will have 99% of the population against them.

Surprise, youre smart!

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Bitch I'm Gandhi

>>714418726
>on 4chan
>smart
nope.

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how can you not want the right wing things that the Koch brothers want? are you a statist cuck?

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I hope my country adopts 2nd amendment.

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"what government?"
-Haiti
Living like Libertarians want.

>>714419346
libertarianism: it only works if you aren't a nigger

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it never works.

>>714410798
Dude, yessssss. Fuckin rekt.

>>714419488
t. a nigger

>>714407023
Most poor countries have capitalism, that's why their resources are so unfavorably distributed

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Libertarianism - such a great idea it has been rejected by all governments everywhere since the dawn of time.

>>714419850
holy shit that is brutal propaganda.

>>714419808
which poor country has capitalism..?

>>714419945
Ukraine

>>714411412
I think he means people who make retarded amounts of money like Oprah. At that point it does seem logical to help out some people in need. And also, LSD isn't just for smelly hippies. Its a non-addictive, inspiring drug that can be used to induce feelings of rebirth, cleansing, realization. Its tempting to pick on hippies but they did get that right. Most of them just eat it to see colors and feel silly, but in the right environment it can be a fantastic experience.

>>714419945
thailand?

>>714412655
where did you provide an argument kid?

>>714420029
hope thats bait

>>714420051
thailand actually is the richest country in south asia after malaysia which is even more capitalist

>>714407419
whats wrong with beets what the fuck

>>714418771
You should have a more positive attitude

>>714420351
> hope thats bait
I guess you have never been in Ukraine.

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>>714407419
wow, someone who doesn't eat beets

>>714420432
He should have more beets

>>714420521
Ukraine is number 162 worldwide on economic freedom index, thats literally a dozen spots over North Korea

>>714420675
After all, my suggestion was right.
I'm not really surprised you're clueless about that country.

>>714420750
lmao ok buddy Ukraine is capitalist
North Korea is capitalist too like Cuba

how does it feel to be braindead?

>>714420351
Oh I didnt know, I just assumed that they weren't well off because of how they were second last on the quality of life index.

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

>>714407419
>because that is what communism is.

t. uneducated redneck

>>714420866
>second to last
>60 countries on the list
eh.. you know there are more than 180 countries in the world right?

>>714419945
all of them?

>>714421039
literally none of them

>>714420992
does it really matter? arent the countries unlisted just shitholes?

>>714406918

Lol fag. Your political views suck

>>714420861
> ok buddy Ukraine is capitalist
I'm happy to see you confirming the actual facts.

> North Korea is capitalist too like Cuba
In Cuba, you're allowed to start your own business, if you have a license, yet they have a mixed economy with certain (in most cases, important) sectors being controlled by the state. It has nothing to do with North Korea in the terms of similarity.

> how does it feel to be braindead?
You tell me.

>>714421173
then why not make list with 20 countries? I guess the number 21 (South Korea) in that list must be a shithole right?

>>714421286
well technically that would be true, any country not in the top 5 isnt worth living in.

>>714407419

dude... chill out and go eat some beets

>>714421270
>all countries are capitalist
>no such thing as socialism guys
>cuba, north korea and ukraine are all capitalist guys thats why they are poor

its like a broken record

>>714421396
> all countries are capitalist
> no such thing as socialism guys
I never said that, although the other poster you wrote to might do that.

> cuba, north korea and ukraine are all capitalist guys thats why they are poor
I didn't tell you they are all capitalist, I stated that Ukraine is a capitalist country, Cuba has a mixed economy and it all has nothing to do with North Korea.

>>714409844
Sure, maybe if you love in boonies. Good luck started a business in more populated areas. Chances are you'll be suffocated by the local chain that deals in the same industry. Don't talk about owning a business if you haven't done it. Between overhead, marketing, customer base, it's much harder to succeed than you think.

>>714421543
Ukraine is as capitalist as a black guy is a kang. Just because they want to be capitalist doesn't make them so. Ukraine is dead last on economic freedom index, you must be retarded if you think this is capitalism

>>714407753
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>samefagging this hard

Cringe.

>>714421857
or people caught onto a dumb joke and joined in.

>>714414275
Right, and thats why we live in a world where everything all production is in a monopoly. Oh wait, it isnt because thats complete horseshit.

>>714406918
Good, it means you arent retarded. And yes it will happen. No political/economic system lasts forever. Do you seriously think they way we do shit now is how people will live a thousand years from now? What about a thousand years ago? Shit always changes.

Capitalism is the private and voluntary exchange of goods and services. Anything else is violent and coercive.
If you aren't on the libertarian right you've either never studied philosophy or never studied economics.

>>714409635
4^2 is 16 anon. totally agree with you though

>>714422714
>If we call their ideology coercive and violent we can distract from how much more violent and coercive ours is

here's now a point i want to bring up: should the gov ever have a hand in the market/ should the market be regulated?

why/why not? discuss.

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>>714406918
"Hay que endurecerse, pero sin perder la ternura jamás."

>>714406918
In a capitalist system, man exploits man. In a socialist system, it's the other way around.

I bet you want to replace it with socialism/communism as well, then we'd all live in this beautiful utopia where no one wants for anything.

Except that's never happened in the history of marx's fucking awful solution.

socialism would work. but you'd need to implement certain... measures to control the population. socialism is a system that doesn't scale at ALL with size.

imo the introduction of eugenics, selective breeding and the reimplementation of the death sentence would make it viable.

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>>714406918
You're a tree hugging commie.

>>714423537
They need to be involved somewhat just to make sure companies and businesses don't start shady business practices that fuck over the working man.

If it's in a companies best interest to fuck you, they'll fuck you.

>>714425013
all companies are in it to fuck you.

if you water down economics it's basically to make the highest profit margin possible.

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>>714406918
Heil... Hitler?

>>714425310
Hitler was a fascist with little swaying right or left.