money is fucking retarded. how do we get rid of this exploitable

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>>714399861

>>714399861
Poorfag detected.

>>714399861
for once op is not a faggot.

Money is fucking retarded. We should use hash coins.

>>714399861
By posting pictures of Serj on Malaysian Llama shearing websites.

>>714399861
You want to get rid of money?
Go to school and get some student loans!!!! Haha! Ba-doom chink! Am I right fellas? Huh?..... fellow millenials....

You sound retarded. Human race been using some form of money since the dawn of man, whether seashells, fire, weapons, or paper. You are not going to change anything. Nothing is going to change for you. You been alive like 16 years, best bet is to fucking get over it.

>>714399861
Watch the last part of that 9/11 Zeitgeist movie. But it'll never happen so go make a lil money and jjoin bc at least you can save and have a few good years before you fucking die if you're lucky.

>>714399861
That artificial barrier is called work ethic.

Guy wants to charge me 500 to clean my AC condenser unit outside. Id do it myself but im not allowed because im not "certified"

All they do is disassemble, use special soap and a gardenhose, reassemble. Shit is easier than PC building. And dentists get paid way too much for what they do. And fucking coffee is 5 dollars a cup? What the fucking fuck. Everybody tries to rip you off under the guise of "Hey man I gotta run a business"

FUCK YOU. We have all the resources, and don't help one another because of fucking artificial made up, real-life monopoly. Fuck monetary systems. All they do is create greed and allow imbalance in quality of life. Assholes make a lot of money, and honest people get fucked. It would naturally be the other way around without it. Good people would be helped and assholes will be told to fuck off.

>>714400314
No it wouldn't you fucking idiot. Cause most people are sheep, it takes one asshole with a silver tongue.

>>714399861
Jonathan, is that you?

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>posts something serj would say

wp

>>714399861
Money is a necessary evil for the advancement of society. You'll never have enough chickens and goats to barter for heart surgery.

>>714400314
OP here. Thats the shit I'm talking about. The resources are not the limit. The artificial limit is the limit. It's fucking retarded. We are literally putting ourselves in our own way.

>>714399861
Invent Star Trek replicators. As long as scarcity exists, money, the means of rationing scarce resources, will exist.

>>714401262
We don't really have scarcity. Assembly lines literally pump out so many computers, ipods, slabs of wood, we have to throw away the excess.

Life is easily maintained these days.

>>714400314
I'm pretty sure it's the opposite, without money to motivate people to provide for others no-one would do anything for anyone else except for their own families then we'd back to tribes and whatnot.

>>714401394
Assembly lines are able to make things because they have money to pay for the people and resources to make things. Your argument is extremely flawed.

S A G E

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I smell communists....

>>714401537
no. People don't run on money. We run on food and shelter.

>>714401461
No. Money isn't motivation unless you are a greedy, flawed individual. You think musicians say "I can't wait to make bank off this tune"

>>714401394
Lets say we did away with money tomorrow, bartering is new system of transaction. Prized resources are now food and water. Farmers are suddenly kings. But farmers need help to harvest their crops. That help gets paid in the harvested goods. Crops produce limited amount of food, resulting in scarcity. Now people are trading their gold for tomatoes. Oh wait, nobody wants the gold because one cannot survive by eating gold.

Barter works when nearly every bit of land is growing food or raising edible animals. But we have cities, crowded cities, with no farms around for miles. Millions die of starvation, disease runs rampant. I'd give 'no-money' USA 6 months before its down to 200k people and mass-graves are on every corner.

>>714399861
Watch Mr. robot

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>>714399861
A mix of Super AI(benevolant) managing the world, full automation and becoming a post scarcity world. A sort of Robo communism. But good....

>>714401940
>uses 'musicians' as justification for an argument

Actually yes, musicians do seek to make money from their work. When I stumble upon a catchy riff, my first thought is, "Damn, that hook is MONEY."

>>714402094
Good. The population needs to be reduced. Passive eugenics must be implemented because there are way too many morons.

No shit, gold will be worthless because it IS worthless. It's a shitty soft metal. Cities will realize how much they fucking suck, those giant peices of asphalt housing millions of asshole investors and businessmen, and other salesman-merchant-types who shouldnt exist.

>>714402302
Then you are a fucking asshole. Music should be made to change people's minds. Food should be made for nutrition. Goods and Services should be made to help people, not to take advantage of their time/money/life.

>>714401394
Yes we do. You want that 1-in-a-million 10/10 bitch? Guess what, so does every other man. You want that house on the beach? Guess what, so does everyone else, and there's only so much beach. Just because people aren't starving in developed nations and things are *less* scarce than they were 50 years ago doesn't mean scarcity doesn't exist.

And show me some evidence they throw away new computers and ipods. Yeah, they end up in a landfill in China once they're used up and nobody wants them anymore. But if that's the "lack of scarcity" you're talking about, you're welcome to sift through the trash with the chinks.

Now if you were talking about food waste, I'd be more inclined to agree. But money is hardly a barrier to eating your fill in America. Even a hobo can panhandle a few bucks and get more calories than he can burn from the value menu.

In any case, just because some things are abundant does not mean they are not, strictly speaking, scarce, i.e. of limited quantity. Nor does the lack of scarcity of one thing have anything to do with the scarcity of another. Money exists to ration those things which *are* scarce, and to eliminate it entirely, you'd have to entirely eliminate all scarcity.

>>714401940
Food and shelter that is bought with, you guessed it, money.

>But anon, I can build my own house and grow my own food

Build your own house out of what? Lumber that you cut? From trees that are on someone else's land? That you pay for with what? Your collection of Magic: The Gathering cards?

ITT: Poorfag wants to do away with money because he has no marketable skills to make any.

>>714402094
gee, that sounds serious, billions huddled together in concrete jungles to produce nothing other than exchanges of information?

sounds like a deprecated, ill-fated concept, now

>>714402463
I agree, music is an esoteric thing that transcends money. But if you dedicate your life to making music, one must find a way to benefit from it, because you can't feed yourself on the blissful revelations of a stoned audiophile. Music is work, work deserves compensation.

>>714402463
Money allows for competition

>>714400027
Ricky?

>>714402770
you dont have to be compensated instantly. without money, we would have passive compensation. everybody does their job and shit gets done without fictitious floating numbers.

>>714402827
Money allows for people to improve their lives without the immediate means to pay for it. Like I said above, you will never have enough chickens and goats to pay for a heart transplant. And potential doctors will never have enough chickens and goats to be trained in complex medical procedures. Not to mention, the tools and supplies needed to perform medical procedures won't be produced without money. Money allows for the advancement of society, because it is intangible, yet valuable. As soon as you make value tangible (ie: this goat is worth 10 chickens, one chicken is worth a two jugs of ale, etc), then everybody goes back to focusing on survival, rather than innovation.

>So many ipods that they're thrown away

iPods would have never existed without money. Prove me wrong.

>>714403059
Yes, you do have to be compensated instantly. Because without money, there is no credit. A barter system doesn't care about what you MIGHT have one day. Bartering is "what do you have NOW to compensate me for my goods and/or services?"

>>714403120
I agree
>>714401461 is me

Also, money allows for competition
>competition improves things

>>714402521
wrong on all counts, coast is neither static, quantifiable, nor uncreatable

fiat currency historically has been a useful medium for exchange, we acknowledge this and move forward with expanding the idea of resource allocation to be more equally distributed and globally inclusive, digital currency of today is the prototype for a 'new' medium

>>714402525
Trees that you ask them to have you dumbass. You dont need green paper to cut down a tree.
>>714402521
10/10 bitches are different for everyone. Not everyone wants a bitch or a beach house or a mazeratti. The evidence is that people are still selling old as fuck electronics on ebay and amazon. The food we waste in america isn't nutritious fuel, more like tounge-crack, like pastries, boxed and bagged foods, fast foods, pizzas, beer,, shit like that.

I wouldnt say things are scarce, and I wouldn't say they are abundant either, but they are definitely closer to abundant, especially if we implement passive eugenics and teach people the value of healthy eating/ not throwing shit away.

How many times have you heard "ahh fuck it, I'll throw it away and buy a new one." With razors, phones, sandwiches, electronics, even fucking cars. Instead of repairing, maintaining, a well created product, we pump out garbage which we then throw away. Its fucking retarded and money (profit) is the direct cause. An artificial game is the cause of all the bullshit in the world. Don't get me started on profiteering off wars and government, laws, and politics.

>>714399861
Spend it all on useful shit and self sustain without it.

>>714403309
yeah, I was replying to you in an effort to expand upon one of the few correct statements in this thread, not to correct and/or argue against you.

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>>714399861
Theres more than enough money to give every person one million dollars.

>What would you do if everything was given to you that you would ever need want or desire?

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>>714399861
fuck off you 12 year old

>>714399861
lol - get a load of this alt cuck. life is going to pass you by - your peers are going to make money, raise families, buy real estate, new cars, Christmas presents for loved ones, vacations, and you'll be sitting in your ghost ship squat, with your white boy dreds, spray painting anarchist symbols in shitty parts of a city non of your peers will ever visit or see.

Go fuck yourself, cuck.

>>714403393
>trees that you ask for

"Hey, can I have your trees to build my house?"
"Sorry, someone else already asked for those trees"
"But but but I needs them"
"What will you give me for them?"
"A song? Maybe a dance?"
"Sorry, the other guy is giving me 30 barrels of ale and 4 cows"
"But but I no has things, I have the mind-changing power of music"
"Too bad it didn't change MY mind... Stay the fuck away from my trees you shiftless nothing"

/thread

>>714399861
He thinks money is the only barrier kek

>>714403059
>passive compensation
You know what the problem with this is? Even if you don't do your job, you still benefit from other people getting their shit done.

Compensation needs to be "active" enough to encourage people to achieve, and "passive" enough to ensure that even the poor benefit more from participation in society than rejection of it (i.e. crime). We have enough "passive compensation" already, at least in pretty much any developed western nation.

>>714403468
Enjoy life?

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>>714399861
>poor fucker detected

>>714403606
No you don't get free compensation because if you don't do shit for anyone, nobody will help you.

>>714403468
If everybody had a million dollars, inflation would skyrocket. Supply/demand = Econ 101

"I has a million dollers now!"
"So do I!"
"Can I has food?"
"Sure"
"How much?"
"A million dollars."

/thread

>>714403562
>*shoots u then hauls off ur wuudz*

now that's what i call a deal

>>714403384
That was a fucking example you moron. And it IS finite. The Earth is finite. Therefore the coast is finite by definition because even if the entire Earth was beach, it would still be finite.

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>>714399861
Thinking of selling my p-car. How much retarded will you give me for it?

>>714403724
>is promptly lynched

No money doesn't mean no justice.

>>714403393
No-one ever said the system is perfect. Society advances to overcome these sorts of obstacles.

>>714403809
I take it you read the second line and fully agreed with the statement, which is why this post only mentions the second

>>714403393
>Not everyone wants a bitch or a beach house or a mazeratti.
How the fuck does this have anything to do with anything? So scarcity doesn't exist because some people don't want a thing?

>>714399861
communism. Libertarian (social) socialism, mutualism, syndicalism

>>714403828
this made me laugh harder than it should have

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>>714399861
Check my ride homey.

>>714403974
No actually I didn't. Why would I read something from someone stupid enough to say the coast is infinite? If you want to be taken seriously, how about respecting people enough to not say such blatant lies?

>>714403862
>tfw a nation of law requires men to to interpret and enforce them

Sorry old boy, but we are the law, and your lack of generosity back there just landed you in the dirt

>>714399861
How to tell when someone has no money.

>>714403974
Anyway, you're suggesting getting rid of money in favor of bitcoin? How the hell is that getting rid of money?

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>>714404116
It has a nice interior.

>>714404118
I wouldn't reply to someone who insert words into a post, AND LOOK WHERE I AM NOW

>>714399988
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>>714400166
> You sound retarded.
> Human race been using some form of money since the dawn of man.

Ever heard of bartering, genius?

>>714404196
It won't be bitcoin, and it's not getting rid of money, it's decentralizing the exchange process to prevent unfair allocations. (federal printing 'system')

It would take a global initiative to spread to all, but it's predicted

>>714400168
Are you referring to the "venus project"?

The only problem with that is it would never work if everyone was in it. It would have to be select individuals and also come with a culling method to remove certain impurities from the society. To keep it functional and nice for all.

>>714404130
Wrong. Generosity is not the nature of man. If generosity was the law, people would be taken advantage of. Where is the line drawn? Who decides how generous is enough generous?

"I'm going to take these tomatoes"
"Leave a few, I need them to feed my family"
"But I need them to feed MY family"
"But I grew them, and I've given away plenty already. These tomatoes are SCARCE"
"Sounds like you don't want to be generous, I may as well kill you."

A third party approaches...

"Hey, he needs his tomatoes to feed his family"
"But I need them too"
"Then you should probably trade him something else that he can feed his family with"
"But I don't have anything, and he's supposed to be generous"
"So are you"
"But I don't have anything. The snow ruined my cabbages"
"Then fuck off"

/thread

>>714404279
Alright, you got me, you didn't say the coast is "infinite." I don't see how not being "static, quantifiable, nor uncreatable" makes it not scarce. Oh look, you did it first, because I NEVER SAID IT WAS any of those things, though it is, in fact, quantifiable. I said it was scarce. Because it is.

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>>714399861
Who did you steal your computer and internet service from?

>>714404675
E.D.G.Y

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>>714404236
Porsche is best. OP is a retard or Soros shill.

>>714403309
That's not exactly how it works. Competition means they'll try and give you the cheapest to produce product for maximum value you'll pay for it. It doesn't matter if other company sells same product for 5% cheaper, 95% of people don't go to the second store in order to buy the cheaper one so the competition never escalates.

>>714402827
Money removes intent of good from everything. It is replaced with greed and the unspoken laws of demand.

During and after a time of war people have made the best out of everything, the greed has much less power than in time of peace. People have made the best and longest lasting products during those times.

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>>714405082
Auto workers like to be paid in something other than raspberry preserves.

>>714400027
I just started watching trailer park boys on netflix. It's fucking amazing

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>>714405274
I wanna fuck fat Sarah. White trash at its finest.

>>714404809
Point was it's not technically scarce if anyone who actually wants to be on a coast could theoretically do so, even if it meant building a raft house out of plastic junk for everyone on earth.

I mention quantifiable because there's a quote that the size of the coastline depends on the scale in which it's measured, obviously it can be rounded

>>714403719
In other words, the money would spread to the exact people who have it within months.
That's not exactly how it works though is it. Food could only cost a fraction of the million, electricity and taxes and all would take the exact percentage of the income they take now.

The only good way for these things to work would be a massive government regulated system where products are developed, produced and distributed by the government in order to keep their price to a bare minimum.
They could do the same with electricity, clean water and everything else really, with the automation technology of today.

Furthermore, the strain of "millitary expenses" on all the countries is really holding humanity back from being a space-faring people. We could be out there if we didn't fuck it up down here constantly.

>>714405135
>intent of good
Human beings aren't inherently good or inherently generous. Many of our instincts contradict each other, e.g. fight OR flight. Getting rid of money won't change human nature, and it won't make people generous or good.

>>714405448
I'm just at the season that starts out with Ricky accidentally accepting the film crew to come back

>>714399861
Killing yourself usually helps

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>>714405508
Prepare to be bombed you commie bastard.

>>714404423
Trading of goods and/or services

You realize money is just a credit note for goods/services traded right?

>>714405060
He gots a point, all in all, only you can look out for is you in a mad world of division and competition

It's not a rule that it be, but it's been pretty damn consistent so I get where the feeling comes from.

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>>714399861
Use lolis instead

>>714405472
>depends on the scale
What the fuck is this shit? So if there's a thousand kilometers of coast somewhere, there's also a million meters or trillion micrometers, and that somehow makes it unquantifiable? Yeah, that's not what unquantifiable means.

>>714403468
That would make it money worthless. Ever heard of inflation?

>>714399861
We cannot. There would always exist some form or version of it.

>>714400314
Welp, get certified

>>714400043
That's one of the reasons I like living in Europe. Here in Germany university is free, but you'll get a student loan (for living expenses and shit) and only have to pay back half (or less). Without interest.

>>714402094
Are you saying that like that's a bad thing?

>>714405708
He wants to get rid of money. Do you really think he's thought about it enough to realize that?

>>714402256
Young Yulya? Daughter?

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>>714399861
Relax commie anon. It will be alright. God-Emperor Trump will make it so.

>>714404116
i rate that

>>714404236
>automatic
ew.

>>714403120
Money also facilitates corruption far more effectively than goats and sunflower seeds

>>714403668
Nobody will help me? How the hell will they know if I am doing my job or not? Does your garbage man know when you go to work or not? Does your grocer? Do they conduct surveillance on you to make sure you're not a NEET?

With money, only one person needs to know whether you're doing your job. Your boss. Him paying you is the same as him telling everyone else you're doing your job.

>>714399861
Bc 99.999999% of us are a dumb enough species of savage ape that it suits us, and now that there are billions of us uniting globally we are incapable of making further progress.

End of the development line, anons. This is as good as it gets for humans. When our ai creates ai and eclipses our paltry brainpower and has no use for our primitive animalistic shit-tier "morality", they/it will be capable of living the future we failed to develop for ourselves.

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>>714399861
>I'm broke and don't wanna work, help pls
>Exploitable "barrier"

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>>714400314
If you people want things like this to change start voting for libertarian candidates. The biggest issue with a lot of things is covering baseline work of opperator/service member, insurances, occupational licensing fees, overhead, and many more issues. Red tape by the government limits a lot of things. I do personal training here and there for very select people (close friends, exchanging services, people with disabilities), the issue that can arise for this is the demand of the occupation. Where I live there is no licensing, so there is no additional fee, I do not work for a gym, so I do not have to pay X amount to the house (my insurance gives me access to literally thousands of gyms for a flat rate of 25 a month), and the demand is only halfway. Im not counting the taxes I would have to pay if I did it enough to warrant it as a second income. Imagine this situation in the neighboring democratic state of Illinois(specifically Chicago)... investing my personal time with schooling to get certified in something ive spent years actually doing for myself, then having to pay X dollars to the house(gym I work through), ontop of the general increased price based off of supply/demand to maximize efficiency in said profession, and then the local economy playing a factor based on the cost of living... its horseshit. If I were to do the same thing for the same dollar where I am now(as a profession) to a place just a few miles away, I would get ass fucked by red tape/CoL and be forced to charge far more for the same basic service. Ontop of lower local taxes where I am now vs illinois crazy taxes.

>>714401262
True. As soon as atomic or even molecular harvesters and assemblers are viable, money dies. Poverty dies. Human servitude dies. Power hierarchies are reduced to social hen clucking.

Also, human species is reduced to a healthier, more easily survivable size.

>>714406234
So what? People are always going to find ways to steal. More advanced societies (i.e. money-based societies) have more advanced methods of stealing. That doesn't mean stealing wouldn't exist without money.

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>>714406533
same guy here

My point was to contrast something I can do where I live currently(that I do well doing for people) vs the cost of it somewhere else and what occurs when there is no licensing to get it done. You can't compete as well, or do certain actions yourself, simply because of red tape from the government. Imagine a customer trying to get this service from me where I live now vs someone who lives in the example of chicago illinois...

>>714406666
Stealing results from scarcity.
Replicators end scarcity.

Then the only thing left to steal will be other ppl.

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>>714399861
You and everyone you know doesn't know how to trade and probably have no real skill sets. You are all useless so the government prints money for you simpletons to trade with.

>>714399861
Neckbeard basement dweller detected. Get a job you stupid shit

>>714404236
what sort of retard buys an automatic?

>>714408605
Americans