was regan a good president? my friend hates him like an Indian

>>714355788
He started off good, got shot and scared then became a cuck. Overall pretty good president but still cucked.

He was awful in every regard. He was bad as a conservative, inept as a moderate, and oppressive as a liberal. Glad his final days were spent suffering. He pretty much destroyed the US.

>>714355788
He correctly diagnosed the need for massive tax cuts and set an economic/tax paradigm for a generation...and when he did cut taxes, we had some really great growth in the 80s. But in retrospect, it looks like he went too far...looks to me like his legacy is this whole issue with widening income inequality. He cut taxes on rich, cut regulation, pursued policies that favored capital over labor. Low and behold, household income was totally flat for 20+ years after his paradigm shift.
But the crazy thing is that the people that really got btfo by these policies...the middle class white folks in flyover states....they worship the man.

I think he was OK. Not great. He did get us out of a economic mess and handled the Commies pretty well.

>>714355987
how so?

>>714355788
he was a doddering old fool with a hard-on for the end times and nuclear war with the Soviet Union.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

>>714355788
Senile idiot who used an astrologer to make his decisions.

he got the job done at the time, and that's what he was supposed to do. he wasn't a bad president

>>714355788
B A I T

>>714355788
he bombed ghadafi without getting us involved in sand box bullshit
>he was a good president

>>714357831
N E W F A G

>>714357980
a newfag is one who replies with a legitimate response to bait

He was kind of an idiot, but he was a good reassuring public face for a country terrified of Mutually Assured Destruction. He took a few strong moral stands, which (mostly accidentally) worked out, particularly his opposition to the "Evil Empire", where his crazy spending on the arms race bankrupted the USSR about a decade early. And thanks to his amiability and rapport with Gorby, it ended peacefully. Reagan picked good advisors, and the economic boom that lasted through the 1990s is mostly due to the continuation of his policies by his successors (including Clinton, whose second term was economically Reaganesque).

I never liked the man, but he's easily the second most important president of the 20th century, after FDR.

>>714358975
>asking an unbiased question is bait
N E W F A G

>>714355788
well he got the wall down which inevitably led to daddy Putin becoming Russia's president so yea

made a bunch of shit economic decisions that look great in the short term but fuck up the economy in the long term. was lucky enough to be in office when USSR imploded.

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Reagan lowered corporate taxes, and raised taxes on the middle class. Led to recession, a decimated middle class, the beginning of massive debt, and the failed drug war.

Just like Trump's going to do, and GW Bush did (which led to the 2007 collapse).

Bush Senior: "Read my lips! No new taxes!" - the next day, he raised taxes on the middle class.

Trump plans to do the same. And his "New drug war" under AG Jeff Sessions will put a lot of you in prison.

If you're not rich, or the owner of a corporation, you're a legitimate retard for voting Republican. Virtually every recession the US has seen? Under republicans.

>itt: people who weren't alive during Reagan, and who were in elementary school under GW.

>>714360148
>implying that under republicans = caused by republicans
Fuck off

>>714355788
Reagan was a dottering old puppet for Wall Street.

>>714360148
actually it was lbj's war on poverty that started the dept, and trump is lower taxes in all brackets but just because it's going to benifit the rich too the leftist are getting buthurt, and why are we retards for wanting our manufacturing base back that will be sure to be destroyed if we advance on economic globalism? the only people that vote Democrat are just people that wouldn't feel the direct effects of the loss of a manufacturing base which would be the worse thing that could happen to us, dems are just sheltered idiots that will put foreigners above Americans

>>714360576
republican economic policy.

you're very young, aren't you.

live a little. go to college. get off of stormfront/twitter/reddit.

the propaganda you're breathing reeks of anti-education, anti-science, and anti-intellectualism.

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>>714355788
he was kind of shit.

>>714357069
yeah

He also ran an illegal war in Latin America, funding right wing death squads that raped tortured and killed people. he did this by illegal selling weapons to Iran, and funneling the money ( illegally again ) to Latin America. ISIS is pretty bad, but when I was a kid, reading about CIA interrogation of people in latin america used to be the worst thing I'd seen. lots of electrical cords wrapped around your nuts, which they would plug in. and raping wives and daughters in front of people to get them to talk.

He also cut funding for mental health facilities and you can still see the effects in large cities.

Not sure how to feel about Star Wars. was it a clever attempt to run the soviets into the ground in an arms race? or just some crazy fucking shit he wanted to do.

His opening move in office was to pretend he negotiated a release of the hostages, when it was really jimmy carter. His VP was the head of the CIA, which didn't turn out that great IMO. Maybe don't have the head of your secret police / espionage groups in positions of political power.

Trickle down economics was a lie, and set the stage for massive income equality.

>>714355788
No. He wasn't in my opinion. But being president is a difficult job.

>>714360821
>trump is lower taxes in all brackets but just because it's going to benifit the rich too the leftist are getting buthurt

I don't think you understand the issue - it isn't "they get more money back than us boo hoo hoo". It is that it massively cuts the budget - which means cuts in programs. We can have a discussion on if that is good or not, but in general the elite contribute the most to our government finances. when you vote to give them tax breaks you are mostly fucking yourself in the ass ( again, unless you are top 5% ).

It is like one kid trading saying.. hey give me that single $10 and I'll give you 4 $1 bills! see you will have more than before! 4 is more than 1!

And you eagerly take the 4 bills. It looks like you are coming out ahead ( more money! ) but you really aren't.

>wanting our manufacturing base back
look you arent ever getting it back. you need to wake up to that reality. Trump aint bringing it back. God himself isn't bringing it back. I'm sorry but it is true

>>714361649

>cuts defiicit in half

>dumbasses believe it because they are sheep to their jew media

>>714361649
so I don't have an exact number but I'm pretty sure thats actually opposite no? Obama has definitely doubled our deficit whether you libs think its bush's fault or not

>>714355788

Best president since WWII.

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>>714360821
Trump's going to raise taxes on the middle class.

Guess who's going to benefit the most from Trump? Coastal elites. People like me.

Jobs? No. Automation won't bring jobs back. Carrier was a gimmick. A cheap, trump gimmick. Have you seen his cabinet picks? It's going to be a very hard 4 years for the (literally) poor idiots who elected him.

Healthcare? Gone. That doesn't affect us though - we can afford good health insurance.

Why do red state fools always - ALWAYS vote against their best interests.

>>714362170
hey it is sort of like this... imagine a 20 year old living with his parents..

he works at subway, and contributes $100 a month towards rent and food.

Parents contribute $10,000 each month between food / rent / mortgage / utilities

One day they decide they want to pay less each month. From now on everyone will pay 10% less!

you will pay $90, they will pay $9,000. you saved $10.

Well, now that means we have to cut some things out of the budget. $1010 dollars worth. So that means you no longer get to eat at home, and you have to pay your own utilities.

That is basically what happens.

>>714362306
>>714362614
actually you might be right - I posted that out of reflex. I have no idea if it is true.

>>714360148
Liberal logic at its finest right here.
Republican president has his policies enforced during his term and the economy rises.
Democratic president repeals these policy and the economy shits a brick.
>It has to be the republican policy flowing over into my presidency
How many cycles does it have to take to realize maybe if you just keep the god damn republic economic policies our economy would remain stable

>>714362695
>Why do red state fools always - ALWAYS vote against their best interests.

moral issues. god. fags. bathrooms. dumb shit.

>>714362880
8 years of reagan and 4 years of bush - tell me again how it is the dems fault?

>>714362880
I'm sorry I misread that.. can you please explain how the housing crisis and second great depression was obamas fault?

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>>714362695
Red states are going to be that much worse off if they can do away with some of the safety nets. Meanwhile, Trump could potentially be one of the greatest things to happen to blue states, as they will finally get their share of the tax money.


Meanwhile, the geniuses in red states will blame their horrible condition on the fact that there are still a few dems in DC.

>Brownbackistan was only the beginning

>>714363227
Well the housing crisis was actually Clinton's fault with his fucked up loan policies.
I think you are retarded if you think we are in a second great depression. Also Obama is creating overqualified part time jobs instead of stimulating the ecnomy

>>714362170
more rich hate, less actual arguments, the rich already pay 50% of their income and taxes are the reason businesses are leaving, and our "poverty aid" just interrupted a free fall in poverty prior to 1964, from then on it's just been stagnating, and in fact in most us states you can live better on assistance than you could having a full time minimum wage job, that's one big fucking problem, assistance should be their so you just won't starve, not to let you live the high life. also, trump has already convince ford and carrier to bring back some jobs and convinced a Japanese man to just send jobs here, and still working hard to get more

>>714355788

Anyone who answers you is probably removed from the Reagan experience by the fact that they were born during the Clinton administration.

>>714363236
Precisely this.

And I hate to say it, but I'm glad that the red states will be hurt.

>>714363236
I live in a red state, and we can't even provide basic care for mentally ill, old, children, etc.

So sad to see the line of people for free food. protip - mostly white people. I have a friend who is seriously mentally ill, and every other thursday she goes to get donated food. wilted lettuce, expired canned food, etc. It is heart breaking.

>>714363460
wait did you just literally use the argument you were making fun of?

>It has to be the republican policy flowing over into my presidency

>>714363607
> rich already pay 50% of their income

source please.

>>714362695
>>714362695
see >>714363607
also, he isn't raising them, he's just getting rid of the head of family cut that won't matter because it will still be lower, and prove your elite status too, i'd love to see that

>>714363607
>in fact in most us states you can live better on assistance than you could having a full time minimum wage job, that's one big fucking problem

You say this is a fact, can you please source this? I'd like to know what state I can move to.

>>714355788
Reagan is the reason california is permanently blue.

>>714363607
Wow you're either Russian or a retard.

Either way kys.

>>714363236

That's the funny thing about this whole Trump Revolution: the skilled will continue to do well while the semi-skilled and unskilled will lose and will likely blame it on Mexicans.

>>714363607
>...."the rich pay 50% of their income."

we don't.

>>714363460

Yeah, that's untrue.

Most Fannie Mae loans didn't fail. The ones that failed were second and third mortgages- ones that poor people didn't typically get.

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republicans/trump-retards don't know these facts.

1. The greatest recipient of welfare? corporations. by 90%

2. The next biggest recipient of welfare? Whites, in red states (not blue states).

What inconvenient facts for the retards' false narrative.

>>714363862
If you make over $150k you pay basically 50% in taxes bro
Your friends who are mentally ill (you probably should get new friends) are getting cheated out of the money they deserve cause all of the lazy minorities are taking all of the money from our fucked up welfare program. Thank you for coming over to the republican side mate

>>714364553

No one who makes over $150K pays 50% in taxes

>>714364553
I'm sorry, but that 50% is just made up. Can you please source that?

> lazy minorities are taking all of the money from our fucked up welfare program

This is a good tactic - you turn the poor against the poor.

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>>714364553
>lazy minorities are taking all of the money from our fucked up welfare program
Let me ask you which you'd prefer:

>Work a low paying job and be on government assistance

>do nothing and be on government assistance


Raise minimum wage and put an end to subsidizing corporations.

>>714364475
Wait! So you are saying the only ones that failed were the ones that the entire policy was focused on getting?!?!?! Gee willy mister you showed me

>>714365010

People who caused the housing market failure were ones who could afford homes over $200K. Those weren't people who got Fannie/Freddie mortgages.

Fannie/Freddie had pretty good success rates. What screwed us was Countrywide, BofA, etc. And most of those who failed were homes with second and third mortgages.

>>714363862
>>714364390

http://taxfoundation.org/article/2015-tax-brackets

i was 10% off

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>>714364553
You're the epitome of the trump-supporter.

Trash. Filth. Garbage. A liar.

You should be put up against a wall for your stupidity, "bro". I'd love to send you back to your 'god'.

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>>714365350

>taxfoundation
>far right republican propaganda

god damn idiot.

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>>714365350
That's a good source, mate. You have an infowars link though? That would probably be more reliable.

>>714365350

That's the nominal rate moron.

>>714365511
>>714365581
>>714365589
then show me where they don't same-fag?

>>714365750
You're talking to 3 different intelligent posters. You fucking retard.

God I hope there's a civil war.

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>>714365350
They are highlighting Arkansas as doing anything right. Let that sink the fuck in.

ITT: Butthurt 18-25 year old libs that hate trump won and think Reagan was a worse president than Obama

>>714355987
Wow, you are a fucking idiot. I would say you deserve to die but your life is probably basically worthless anyway, not much use in wishing you dead lol.

>>714357382
This is probably the single most hilarious description of all-time.

Well done anon.

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>>714365750
There's at least two of us, genius.

>then show me where they don't
>show me
I need to cite a source to disprove a claim that you cannot back up? Seems legit.

>>714365898
>intelligent
>wants civil war

Pick one....


There is a reason no one listened to the right...

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>>714355788
No. He sucked.

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>>714360148
truth

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>>714360576
>derp

>>714366308
i've already back up my claim, give a more credible source or anything

>>714355788
he was really good and is a good example to follow in that he appointed people who actually knew the job they were appointed to do then let them do it with no micromanagement such as do what i want or ill get someone who will. he also took what worked best regardless of which side it came from
reason he's looked down upon today (by the liberal side mostly) is because today's politics is so divided that working together is considered a bad thing. they may say otherwise but both sides want full control and dont want to work together or get people who will go against what the top guys want.

>>714360974
Oh haha, I'm sure that Liberalism just EMBODIES that dosen't it? Fucking Fool.

>>714365750

I'm the "nominal rate" guy.

First of all, if you're making $150K, you're probably itemizing your taxes. If you're paying 50%, you're a fucking retard. You've obviously not included deductions for child credit, student loan interest, etc.

I would venture a guess to say that absolute zero percent of people making $150K and above pay anywhere close to 50% because they'd probably be able to afford some kind of accountant who'd be able to hide some of that money from the Feds.

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>>714364553
You fucking retard. A tax bracket works by taxing your income ABOVE a set amount (150k) at a certain rate, not your entire income. But obviously you don't make that much or you would know that.

Also it's;
28%: from $74,201 to $154,800
33%: from $154,801 to $336,550

Literally google "how tax brackets work"

>>714366506
>giving more money to the rich didn't work
>lets give more money to the poor
Theres a reason the rich are rich and the poor are poor. I'm all for helping people out that need help but there is no logical reason to give money and power to people who are stupid as shit and have no education or work ethic.

>>714367493
so you'd agree that the welfare states (red states) should be purged

>>714357069
>Average median household income adjusted for inflation rose $4000 under Reagan
>Widened income inequality

"Waaaaaah, everyone got wealthier but some people got wealthier than others!"

>>714366558
Here's an example of Nobel winning economist Paul Krugman saying they are full of shit.

Hell, look at where they get their funding.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/zombie-straw-men/

Here's some more for you to ignore too.
http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/02/tax_foundation_propaganda_revealed_again_moran.html

This one cites Tax Foundation data that shows how Trump's plan is worse than Sanders's
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/11/tax-foundation-rates-tax-plans-who-comes-out-on-top.html

>>714367423
you're leaving out property taxes, sales taxes accrued over the course of the year, capital gains taxes etc. once you factor those in it gets pretty close to 50%. 33% is too much as is anyway.

>>714367658
(blue cities) Take more welfare money than any (red state). Think about that.

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>>714367493
>Theres a reason the rich are rich and the poor are poor. I'm all for helping people out that need help but there is no logical reason to give money and power to people who are stupid as shit and have no education or work ethic.
You just described how the electoral college system favors red states.

>>714359401
LBJ, Truman, and Teddy Rosevelt were more important than him, but otherwise yes.

>>714368029
Majority of red states are uneducated, poor rednecks according to liberals

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>>714367848
>capital gains taxes
are lower than income tax and people making $150k/yr aren't worried about them, because they get their income from actually working.

>>714367891
>(blue cities) Take more welfare money than any (red state). Think about that.
Blue cities have a higher population than red states. Think about that.

>>714368219
LBJ wasn't a bad President but if he didnt start the United Rainbow Gay Party America would have been so much better today and Europe would be a wasteland

>>714368273
>Majority of red states are uneducated, poor rednecks according to liberals
Name a red state that isn't.

>>714368410
I really don't feel like going through the list of the last electoral college winners right now but that also wasn't my point. I was responding to the post before and that contradicts everything he said

>>714368387
The man had the single most important domestic policy EVER in the united states except for FDR and Lincoln. There will never be another man who was as good at working congress to his advantage. Don't let politics cloud what the man accomplished, wether you agreed with it or not. Plenty of us think Reagan did far worse, but we still acknowledge his importance.

>>714368307
population of texas: 26.96 million
population of New York City: 8.406 million

>>714367848
you are leaving out how 1% structure business and investments to minimize taxes. Mit Romney paid 14% tax. Oh those poor 1%ers!

And something else - the really rich don't work. Income means shit compared to existing wealth.

Personally I think upper middle class gets hit the hardest. they vote for republican shit, thinking they wiull someday be elites, but it will never happen.

>>714368861
Sorry I didn't mean to come off as saying he was terrible. He of course was very impactful and did a shit ton as president. I just believe that the whole globilzation trend the world is on right now was started by the stupid ass UN and has no place in politics. Countries are different countries for a reason and we all thrive on competition. The UN would have been better set up as the United Nations of the Red Cross and would just be a donation for poor and sick people of the world

>>714369175
You are forgetting that to minimize those taxes to quite that low, he is giving back to charity and investing in other businesses. Its not like hes just getting the money dude

>>714368934
no who you are replying to, but NYC has more people then alaska, montana wyoming and both dakotas combined.

>>714369432
it was a comparison of the largest city to the largest state fuckwad

>>714369291
No worries, I wasn't trying to imply that you did.

And this whole conversation is making me never want to go back to red dit again. That place has become a hell hole of political screaming and partisanship.

>>714369402
That isn't how he gets it that low. but even so - investing ( and making a profit ) isn't really "giving back" and it isn't anywhere near as much as if the govt just got the straight cash.

It has to do with capital gains - profit from stocks, etc this is very focused on the rich and elite, who own what, like 40% of the stock?

>>714369635
yes I know, but the person you were replying to didn't say that. I'm glad you found an example where he was wrong, and I'm proving some examples of why he was right.

no need to resort to name calling, cunt bag.

>>714367891
Please. We all know blue states contribute more to the economy than red states. And that cities power the economies of those blue states (and red states).

>>714369840
The person I was replying to was saying blue cities had a larger population than red states so I honestly have no idea wtf you are talking about

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>>714367891
wait what?

blue states are trillion dollar economies
red states are maybe worth billions

blue states give red states billions, annually.

how do you really not know these things?

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>>714368934
Sorry for not being specific enough to include the words "virtually all". Texas sure has quite a few blue population centers. Nice job though. Congratulations on selecting the largest gerrymandered state in the union.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/05/15/americas-most-gerrymandered-congressional-districts/?utm_term=.109a34844f40

>>714369291
I completely agree with this. The reason we jack up in the space race was because we were fighting the Soviets for control. The reason we jumped in military tech in the first part of the last century was because we were fighting each other. The UN and EU will hopefully fall and we can one, stop jumping in everyone's country to shove our shit down their throats, and two, begin competition again.

>>714370506
these "trillion dollar economies" are made from outsourcing and the stock market. These "billion dollar economies" are made from middle class jobs and labor jobs. You are proving my point that red states give back more than they take

>>714368029
Explain why Blue states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania turned Red the election you Jackass.

the war with China will be interesting.

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>>714370903
How's Kansas doing?

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>>714370646
NCfag here
couldn't help but notice you used the phrase "most gerrymandered state in the union"
I beg to differ

>>714370970

probably because they knew someone who's spent his entire life in new york and has liberal friends is more likely going to run the country like a democrat then he will a republican,which is why i dont see donald trump lasting through his first term or getting re elected

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>>714370903
California is the world's 5th largest economy now. Do you understand that son.

That's hardly due to "outsourcing and the stock market".

Your shit red states don't have jobs btw you fool.

Blue states import most of their food. Red states don't supply anything. Red states haven't contributed to America since the 1800's.

The largest bloc on welfare in America: Whites in RED STATES (not blue states).

>>714370970
The only reason Michigan, penn and Wisconsin went red, is because DEMOCRATS DIDN'T SHOW UP. That's it. Only reason.

and they still beat you by 4,000,000 votes nationally, for a sub-par candidate.

>>714371176
>most
>largest
You used one. I used the other. Can you figure out which one?

>former NCfag here

>>714355788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8DdkM2Wqo

>>714371246
Sorry I forgot Apple, Google, Nike, and HP didnt outsource

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>>714355788
>was regan a good president?
no

>>714371246

>5th largest economy

>some poverty ridden democrat state

please start living in reality and not your liberal fantasy world

>>714370970
Clinton was an entitled retard and thought they'd just give her their votes, despite not campaigning in those states during Aug-Sept.

Fucking christ Sanders should have been the nom.

>>714371586


>denying that California is the world's 5th largest economy

trump's retards prove over, and over that they're just that. retards. they shouldn't have a voice in America. By God we'll silence them.

>>714370970
>Explain why Blue states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania turned Red the election you Jackass
Since when are those blue states? They are called swing states, because they could go either way. I'm sorry that this is your first election.

>>714371600

>"bb b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b bb b b b b b bb b bb b but Clintonnnnnnnnnnn!"

kek, still?!

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>>714371401
I took "largest" to mean "largest degree of gerrymandering," not size of the state.

jesus this state can't stop being an embarrassment.
>hb2
>coal ash
>being sued by the justice dept
>cops can't stop killing unarmed niggers
>protests fucking everywhere
>literally on fire all last week
>McCrory supporting Donald "GuaranteedReplies.jpg" Trump

>>714362695
Trump is old. He's accomplished incredible wealth, power, sex etc. before president. He just accomplished the single most difficult task on earth. Becoming the most powerful man in the world as Potus.
Trump will make America Great Again, not a meme either. Why? Because he's a populist, and an incredible strategist.
He knows how to reach the minds of normal people. If he got on stage and talked about "job growth, numbers etc." He would be like anyone else.

He was the worst thing that ever happened to the US. He single handedly destroyed the country. He allowed the psychotic wealthy to take anything they wanted. He's the reason the US turned into a plutocracy, and there's no jobs. The greatest thing that could have happened, was for Hinckley to been successful in his assassination attempt. I despise Reagan.

>>714371845
I miss Raleigh and Cary, but I hate the entire rest of the state.

>Let's not forget the diverting of disaster relief funds into defending the bathroom bill... prior to a natural disaster.

>>714371921
your shilling/campaigning's lost on me, I'm sure it will resonate with other trump-supporters.

>>714371776
California does have a large economy, but as Anon was trying to say, you're adding up everything it produces but failing to subtract its liabilities. Cali is also a major consumer of entitlement spending across the board.

Not saying Cali isn't impressive, but it's not #5 if you net it all together.

>>714372152
I voted Johnson. For the simple fact that I didn't fully support either one. That being said, I'm not lost on his influence. I'm not blind to his tactics and his intellect either. Unlike some nancy boys who constantly cry about his KKK supporters, as if a few nuts represent any of his ideals.

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>>714371921
>accomplished incredible wealth, power, sex, before president
he got $100Mil from his daddy in the '70s, and now Forbes estimated his wealth to be ~$4BIL.
If he took that money and invested it in an index fund, then reinvested the earnings, he could have literally fingerpainted for forty years and he would be worth THREE TIMES THAT

>Populist
No. Oligarch.

>Incredible strategist
Wrong. His crack-whore of a campaign manager is the real mastermind, he just distracts people with insane tweets, makes outrages promises in public, then fucks everyone over in private.

>>714371843
What? They were hers to lose, and lose them she did. She didnt offer them a message they wanted to hear.

>>714372211
>Cali is also a major consumer of entitlement spending across the board.
Cali receives less than $1 for every $1 they send to the federal government, like most blue states.

>>714372044
Bullshit, that didn't happen until after Bill Clinton left office.

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>>714372514
>Bullshit, that didn't happen until after Bill Clinton left office.
What was it like being born in the 90s?

>>714371921
>He knows how to reach the minds of normal people
He's a fucking con-man, that's what they do; sell you big dreams in short sentences, then duck responsibility and make off with your cash.

>>714372399
He's a populist through and through.

You can adjust for inflation all you want on his loan. Time value of money.

She is a fucking genius. As is he. In different ways.

The only person actually butthurt here is you. And anyone who isn't pragmatic. Trump is a pragmatist through and through. And at this age it's clear to see that he's a bit of a dreamer as well.

He's either going to accomplish amazing things or fail miserably. There is no middle ground. And so far, he's proven to be a success. The man is Goldman Sachs smart.

He was....irrelevant. In the short term he was a good caretaker president but subsequent developments have meant that his legacy will be confined to the 80s.

Obama killed the Reagan legacy and Trump will kill it even deader

>>714372693
How does he duck responsibility?

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>>714372097
I'm in charlotte, right around the corner of the protests. Oh yeah, and my FAVORITE part:

>McFuckface loses
>demands recounts everywhere
now, i can understand this, because it was a pretty close race, but after 3 days of recounting, his margin was getting worse. He shoulda just stopped, BUT that was just a distraction:
>Shit, I'm losing
>shit, a LIBERUL got the supreme court seat
>tries to force-add 2 supreme court seat and put repulicans in them
he's a gigantic moron. I regret voting for him 4 years ago

>>714355788
For a republican president he wasn't bad, at least as bad as all the republicans that came after him. But he ignored a lot of ridiculously important issues.

>>714372714
>The man is Goldman Sachs smart.
I don't think you're going to win us over with that line.

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>>714372714
He's not smart--He's entering the early stages of Alzheimer's.

He'll be the OLDEST president in history, his dad died of Alzheimer's, and he refuses to release his medical information

congrats on being duped though, you're just gonna fuck off and live in your little shelter of biased information, as will I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V47_DQ3WT6c

>>714372922
Win what exactly? It's a statement that represents how smart he is. And how willing he is to succeed. If I needed the smartest person on earth to actually do something, it would be a fucking goldman sachs banker. Brains of physicists and balls of steel. I don't need a pansy in office, and I don't need a intellect either. I need a leader. That's the entire point of the role. That's what he is.

>>714366506
Giving money, or taking less money?

I'm so tired of all these stupid ass liberals that think people care about their opinion

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>>714373183
>thinks people care about his opinion

>>714373145
The fact that you don't understand my statement speaks volumes about who you are.

>>714373054
>>714373054
So what? If he does he does. What difference does it make?
And for a man of his age he's pretty fucking healthy.
Why does he need to release his medical records?
Because a bunch of his enemies demanded it?

>>714360821
>trump is lower taxes in all brackets
haha holy shit do you honestly believe that? He's said virtually nothing of the sort during his campaign and instead has repeatedly talked about tax cuts on the corporations.

>>714373377
The fact that you think I give a fuck that you don't like bankers speaks even louder about how naive you are.
The fact that you fail to recognize who the most powerful men and women on earth are, simply for their cunning and intellect, speaks even louder to how biased and childish you are.

>EBIL BANKERS
>HEP DERP

>>714372477

> "b b b b bbb b b b b b b b bb b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b bb b b b b but Clintonnnnnnnnn!"

Do you know who wins after the incumbent President has his 8 years? The other party. historically this is the rule. I hope you realize this. And it's not going to change. Trump will get his 8 years, barring some scandal. And dems will get their 8.

It's just how the two-party system works.

>>714372830
He said he'd "drain the swamp" of corporatists and lobbyists, and instead hired a crack team of the most crooked fools imaginable.

Said he'd build a wall, and now it's "oh it was a metaphor"

Said he'd bring coal jobs back, which is financially impossible.

On and on and on. Just print out his campaign promises and keep track of how many he breaks or reverses on.

>>714373410
How do you know he's healthy?

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>>714373410
because most candidates do it as a show of good faith to the people. because just saying "i'm in fantastic health--my doctor actually says I'm too healthy" used to not be good enough for people.
Compared to the average drugged-up dementia-ridden 70-year old, yes, he looks pretty healthy for his age (could have something to do with his painted-on face though)
I'm so baffled as to how the white working class really believes that a tax-evading, draft-dodging, lawsuit-junkie billionaire landlord would actually give a shit about them.

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>>714355788
BEST PRESIDENT EVER

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Ivanka and Kushner's presence in each of Trump's meetings (literally every one) is disturbing...

Hopefully even his supporters would find that disconsoling.

He was shit. The only people that like him are Yuppies, rednecks using cognitive dissonance, and people too young to have actually lived during his presidency. There's a reason my grandfather used to say that he would have paid to have him assassinated despite having voted for Reagan in his first term.

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>>714355788
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU

Ronald was just like the Donald will be.
If you are white, and at least comfy middle class, you will think everything is OKIE DOKIE, and the news will report massive economic gains, and not have to hear about all of the violence among the poor.

New York's voting to force Trump to release his taxes under the T.R.U.M.P. Act

this should git gud

>>714373377
I mean he said a statement not quoting anyone on 4chan so I don't think he really gives a fuck

>>714361649
Good to read another person who is educated on what Reagan did.

How'd we go from Jimmy Carter, the peanut farmer who graduated with a Bachelors in Science that everyone hated, to the man who was in a movie with a monkey that everyone loved.

Fuck Reagan, he was a horrible person who was already fucking fading from alzheimer's before he was elected.

>Tell why the hell Nancy Reagan had a fucking person influencing the white house with tarot cards, gypsy scum

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>>714374206
KILLER MIKE BOIIIII

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>>714366506
Stupid faggot.

Some day you will realize that a poor person has NEVER given you a job or a career,...unless you think paying welfare to shitbirds is a career.

>>714373935
I don't give a shit about his campaign promises because I was clever enough to know they were bullshit. The gamble was figuring out what kind of man he was making these promises.
He figured out how to win. He's smart enough to do very well for this country. Just because you aren't doesn't mean shit.
Of course people are going to profit. You're a fool if you think Democrats/Republicans alike didn't profit under Obama or any other president. But how many people profit is the key.
My chips are on the fact that most Americans will profit greatly across the board.

>>714374061
Who give a fuck about good faith. Good faith is how you get fucked. It's human nature. I've worked for non profits, and now I work in Finance. The only difference between the two is how smart the people in each category or how naive they are.

>>714374428
It's really not hard for people to like a movie star who has a personality especially after getting fucking Jimmy Carter who was objectively the worst president in the history of the US

>>714366343
Bruh

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>>714374428
Well for heaven's sake, Iran Contra's effects hurt/killed thousands.

Reagan should have died in prison.

>mfw we'll see something far worse committed by the Orange Tumor

>>714371586
Fuck, you're really retarded.

Where's your handler

>>714375006
Obama is upper middle class tier president. Above the middle, but not exactly at the top either.

>>714375006
1. Presidents don't affect the stock market.
2. It's easy to cut unemployment when you stop counting failures who stop looking for work cause they can live off unemployment.
3. He kept the wars going and they eventually fizzled out cause the middle east didn't want to fight anymore
4. Obamacare has been raised insurance rates across the board and has not made up for the people its added to the list of insured
5. Yeah Obama runs big oil and demands prices
6. He almost doubled the deficit
7. Navy seals hate him

>>714371494
Liberals are still capitalists...

>>714375145
he's sure fucked up on the patriot act, the middle east, gitmo etc

but I agree, he's definitely better-than-average.

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>>714374586
>he's smart
lies throughout the entire campaign
>I don't give a shit about his campaign promises
>he figured out how to win
>I totally know what kind of man he is
>My chips are on the fact that most Americans will profit greatly across the board.
holy fuck you're irredeemable. Facts obviously don't matter to you. You've just been swept into hysteria that "everythings gonna be better because all politicians are corrupt, but we have an outsider who's on OUR SIDE now."
You're wrong. There's no other way to put it. You have no idea what you're talking about, and when we enter WW3 or Civil War 2, or all of society collapses, it'll be too late. I'll sit back and say "I told you so."
>just because you aren't doesn't mean shit
I'm not projecting any of my own financial insecurities into this discussion. I have a degree in accounting with minors in finance & economics. I have a solid salary job with tons of opportunities for upward mobility, but it won't mean shit when our money's worthless

>>714375308
>navy seals hate him
>never mind that 90% of military forces consider themselves conservative

well no shit sherlock

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>>714375345

>>714375466
That added a lot

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>>714355788
>Breaks up unions and tells the states they have the right to fire strikers.
>Most major unions dissolve
>Capitalists slowly ship jobs over seas
>No union to fight for jobs, much less benefits.
>Cry about no jobs and too much guvment
Capitalist Jesus has risen once again.
>Vote in same guy again, but orange this time, hoping he will do the same things...

>>714374609
Please explained to me why he is "objectively the worst president in the history of the US."

I know he's no favorable, but I think Jimmy just got set up. Like even if he wanted to do great things, everyone was against him, including the economy

>>714374681
Honestly, I think he'll be Reagan 2.0. Do a lot of shit, people will like him cause they saw him on tv and they laughed with a mouth full of Fritos. The general uneducated masses will pardon him for anything, blaming their scapegoats for any problem that rears it's face towards trump.

>Watch out Jews, Blacks, Muslims, anyone who is white and dropped out of High School, Trump is in office.

>>714375835
Union's haven't done shit except steal money since the great depression. Working conditions in America are no longer an issue and unions don't allow companies to compete which causes complacency. Don't you think its annoying that there is ALWAYS road construction by you?? Yeah its cause the head of the construction union demands that x amount of workers have to get x amount of dollars so workers get paid by the hour and not by the work.

>>714357382
>a hard-on for the end times and nuclear war with the Soviet Union

Except that he was probably the first one to really open up a line of communications with them that eventually ended the Soviet system.

"Mr Gorbachev. Tear down this wall."

Of course, all the die-hard commies in the USA will hate him for this.

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>>714376024
There are definitely bad examples.
But aren't there more bad examples of capitalism... Job offshoring being the biggest.

>>714355788
No President named Regan, OP. There was a Ronald Reagan though. Him?

>>714375944
You don't judge a president by what he got "set up" to do but what he "did". That is why Obama will go down as a shitty president and why Carter was a shitty president cause he did literally fucking nothing. Washington was set up to be the biggest failure in history with the entire British state against him but look how he made our country turn out

>>714376024
holy fuck are you unironically in favor of free-market capitalism right now? LMAO, there's no such thing as healthy competition between two companies anymore. corporate executives just conspire together to raise all their prices, pay their employees less, and (oh yeah) LOBBY to make it all legal

>>714376277
The only problem is there is no benefit of unions now but there is benefits of captialistm. Granted of course there are bad parts of capitalism but literally unions only negatively affect everything here

>>714376024

>wants to steal the working man's voice (the unions), and make them all slaves

you should be shot.

>>714376318
You are a sucker to the corporate jew media

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>>714374586
You complete retard. Do you actually believe he cares about the American public? He saw an easy mark, and now he's got the only thing he needed from you; your vote. You are now totally unimportant to him and do not factor into his decisions. He's got the highest office in the land and will use it for the only thing he cares about; Self aggrandizement. Every episode of his life centers around making himself bigger, richer, and getting attention.

>He figured out how to win
That really wan't hard. He had a shady bitch opponent his base has hated for 30 years and just had to keep on that point. He knows that vague, unsubstantiated claims work on stupid uneducated people, which happens to be the Republican base, so he told them he'd "MAGA" and they lapped it up. He knew the media is a slut for scandal and outrage so he gave them juicy soundbites day after fucking day, and in exchange got all the free press he needed.

He's going to fuck over a vast vast swath of Americans and direct the profits upwards to the bankers and corporations.
>Good faith is how you get fucked.
Yes it is, and you're taking him in the best faith imaginable.

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>>714376517
>LIBERUL MEDIUH
>JEWWWISH CONSPEERUSEES

>>714376492
I don't think you read the post. Unions are taking more from their workers than they are giving. Heads of the unions are stealing and using funds and conspiring to keep the everyday joe down. Its literally politics in unions

>>714376423
>No benefit of unions
>Capitalists are offshoring jobs at will
wat

>>714376307
Obama will be remembered better than Reagan
>A nigger will dethrone your king

>>714376801
He will be remembered as a nigger and nothing more

>>714355987
Having lived through the Reagan years, I agree.

>>714376642
Well yeah... everyone has a price in a capitalist's world. When a union leader is handed a cool 6 figures to lay the fuck down to the corporate machine... he fucking does, and sells his brothers down the river with a smile.

>>714376950
This is why we need true democracy in the work place...
None of this capitalist hand picked union shit.

>>714355788
It depends on what your criteua are. At the time he was an unlikely candidate, a fairly unpopular president at first, and after a series of disasterous events & spectacles & deteriorations, lost what little appeal he did have.

However, that said, in hindsight, he was still better than any republican candidate or president we've had since, by such a huge margin, that he's essentially been canonized into sainthood. It's relative.

>>714376950
Any organization, government, union, education board whatever is going to be corrupt to some extent and that's because of human nature. Yeah humans suck and are selfish and corrupt. But something like government we always need right? When something that we don't need still exists, it just negatively affects the people still part of it. Unions always pushed for equal participation in the workforce, fair working conditions, minimum wage, etc. None of that is necessary anymore. Things like the construction union, teaching union, have too much power and just take advantage of people who don't even need their help. There will always be corruption in any work of life, but unnecessary corruption because of greedy individuals needs to stop

>>714376171
JFK established a phone directly to Moscow after the Cuban missile crisis and Nixon signed SALT treaty with USSR as well as started relations with China after the PRC and USSR started to have differences.

>>714377507
You are right. people are terrible. Lets just give up. EVERYONE BACK TO WORK. Pray for our salvation.
I hope your job isn't next to go brother.

>>714376896
Maybe in your eyes, under your white hood

>>714355788
Iran-Contra was a smashing success.
Still dealing with the fallout of that today.

>>714355788
Reagen was a conservative

Ewww

>>714377788
White hoods shaped the world. Didn't you ever play Assassin's Creed?

>>714378081
I'm
>>714377788
and I'm not gonna lie, I laughed

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>>714355788
He was the right guy at the right time for America

Also a fucking Hockey game.

>>714363227
Second great depression my ass.

>>714376171
>"Tear down this wall"

>Oh ok yessiree mr great big American president man, on the double!
>well guys, I guess president regan defeated our empire, go knock the wall down now

>tfw murritards are so ignorant of global politics, and even their own politics, they thing it happened this way.

Retards, this is why, with Trump you got the president you truly deserve. You're dangerously ignorant ideologues that can't tell reality from fantasy.

>>714378597
Fantasy is socialism and globalism which liberalism preaches dude. Its perfect on paper and gets assraped in real life. Thats fantasy. Not what the media deems as not political correct or radical. Conservative values are a lot more "realistic" than liberal values as much as I would love to see a liberal world, it just will never exist

>>714355788

Old fag here.

I've been alive in the 70s. 80s. 90s, 00s. etc

No decade was as good as the 80s. It's not nostalgia. It truly was a great decade. Quality of life was very high. People were happy and prosperous.

Was the 80's being great mean Reagan was a good president? I don't know, but I'm sure he had something to do with it.

>>714378909
Oh really gee thanks for sorting the world out into your absurdly oversimplified 2 party politik rhetoric for me.

Pull your head out if your 18th century asshole, and grow the fuck up.

>>714378975
Oldfag here too.

I also believe that Clinton's economy benefited from Reagan.

Then GWB and Obama had to deal with the repercussions of Clinton's NAFTA deal.

>>714365364
Underrated post

>>714378909
Subjectivity, belief, personal truth, crystal balling.

Well argued case, anon.

lol

>>714379178
This is what liberals believe. We both agree that we should learn from history. What liberals believe is that all history is wrong and that we as progressives are always right. Its okay to admit that intelligent people, authors, philosophers, business men, might have been right in the 1800's and we should grow from what they learned rather than contradict everything they have done in their lifespans

>>714378975
I'd bet most of us in this thread are.
You can tell a millennial bc they have no knowledge of anything that didn't originate on social media.

There were a few things to appreciate about that decade, but there's a fuckload of nostalgia and rose-colored glasses on as well, just like any decade, before or since.

>>714361649

Typical leftist morons trying to confuse people between debt and deficit. 2 very different things. Such bullshit it makes me sick.

>>714379380
So you are saying that the democratic party is a well argued case then?

>>714379611
For all your bloviating don't even know the difference between a liberal and a leftist.

Turn off the mainstream cable news and rush for a second and learn a little about all the finely marketed hate you're eating up.

>>714379776
>I kno u r but wut m i
Good one anon, you got him right where you want him.

>>714380066
I mean... its better than losing the argument. I'll take a win. They have been on the defense the entire time which is really the whole game plan of the left agenda. Which is also why they lost the election

>>714379895
That's why he's on /b screaming and crying about libbbberuls. Only place he can open his retarded mouth and not have everyone he knows lose all respect for him.

>>714380221
Liberals lost bruh, I can scream all I want and shoot bottle rockets into your house

>>714380220
>I am victim plz feel sorry for me
>I am aggressor, I m triumphant!
>but don't forget I m victim ok

Played just like a fuckin jew.

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>>714355788
GDP under Obama: 2.67%
GDP under Reagan: 7.6%

>wurst presidant evar hurrrr publicans

>>714355788
He was better than a lot of others. Better than the bushes, carter, Clinton and Obama.

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>>714355788
>indoctrinated
>asking for opinions from 4chan

just cause he knows more than you doesn't mean he's indoctrinated, you fucking moron

he was a B-List movie actor who went SENILE in office and barely anyone even noticed. He was great for his corporate handlers who purchased his political career and used his presidency to rig the system in their favor.

>>714380511
spotted the 16-year old who uses wikipedia still cause he doesn't realize its not a credible source

>>714380422
I see you are part of the school of trumpenomics where gdp is a percentage

>>714380660
as opposed to obamanomics where gpd is measured by wanting to make money instead of money

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>>714380660
GDP growth is measured in percentage and has been since long before trump was born.

>>714380616
>jumps to the first unsupported assumption that protects his biases
kys faggot

>>714380294
Still outnumber you. Also beat you on education, scientific literacy, productivity, innovation, quality of life, pay, and generational success.

Can't wait to see what successful innovations to the US your dream team of old swamp luddites stuns us all with for the next three years.

Enjoy it while it lasts, after the WWII generation die-off crosses the threshold, you guys are fucked.

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>>714377788
Obama sucked. All the Muslims that he placed in high ranking positions in the US government that have ties to their brotherhood are wondering if they will be able to keep their jobs and their high security clearance. Remember Obama is the one that said "there is nothing more beautiful than the Muslim call to prayer".

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>>714355987
Wow. I can't believe the CTR shills are trying to smear Regan. They've gotten so bold

>>714380616
39, and that assessmentsummary, while not complete, is at least factual.

>>714381008
You can always move to the EU and hug your refugees and Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r83En0Z5NmA

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>>714381036
>being this fucking stupid
kek

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>>714381008
What like walking on the moon? Inventing nuclear power? Pretty much everything else while you sit around and get high?

Go fuck yourself. You won 57 counties out of 3142. You don't outnumber shit outside of NY and LA. And guess whose welfare is getting cut off.

>>714381008
I mean all of those are just blanket statements with no sources and are just bullshit. Liberals have the popular vote cause of minorities and they cover none of those bases you mentioned. If I can use a word you guys invented its "ignorant" for you to believe that all of those people who fucking ushered you into this era and have paved your ground to live a happy life for so much dumber than you and didn't know what they were talking about. God damn I hate the liberal college education

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>>714381284
Yup, that totally says it all about obama.

>>714381284
Obama was the worst president every but its really racist goggles (yeah I mean you are giving him the benefit of the doubt cause he is not white) that make you think he actually made a difference. He followed the exact same path as Bush in regards of war and foreign policy, and he didn't help minorities in the slightest in his whole 7.8 years he has been in office

>>714381711
wasn't*

>>714381437
They didn't invent ignorant, jackass.

>>714381744
They invented the modern definition of it, donkey

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>>714381540
quit watching FOX faggot

>>714381821
Which is? Dumbass.

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>>714381844
I don't watch tv, nigger.

>>714381854
Anything jewish American doesn't agree with. So basically the SJW agenda

>>714381946
>no real definition

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>>714381711
no, you're just a dumb faggot

Bush took a budget surplus and crashed the global economy so hard the Wall Street traders were committing suicide, LITERALLY. Obama fixed it all, even with Republicans shutting down the government out of childish spite.

>>714382052
As a liberal I even think the left media's use of ignorant is fucking retarded grow up dude

>>714381913
TV, radio and internet is all the same people, don't be so fucking stupid, your opinion was already PURCHASED

>>714382165
I am grown. I'm just saying that they didn't invent the word. If anything they fucked with the definition of conservative, pedo, and different phobias.

>>714355788
Anyone that gets their start in Bohemian Grove is a piece of shit.

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>>714382301
You're the internet right now, dumbass.

>>714382127
>Obama fixed it all
I haven't laughed this hard in a while
Obama may be the most ignorant person I've ever met. He doesn't even take advice from his economic adviser and thinks his experience as a senator of Illinois and his black skin qualifies him to set economic policies

>>714382127
oh noes! not those poor, poor wall street traders.
kek.
shoot yourself in the head, faggot.

>>714355788
Basically anon, look at some WWII era pics. See the masses of uptight abusive dicks? They grew up on farms, were almost completely uneducated beyond a modern 4th grade level, before being corralled into the most horrific war in history. When they came home, they were given education, and money, and opportunities, and they bred like flies and spawned a hideously massive generation of kids that didn't grow up in those cindutions whatsoever, and resented being treated like POWs at home by their ptsd suffering parents. Those kids, in the late 60s, ran from authoritarianism and violence and hate to the other extreme, in their adolescence and young adulthood, for about a dozen years. By the end of that time, everyone had gotten tired of spending their inheritances and eating scrounged food and wasting away on drugs and sitting in the dirt, and decided fuck it, let's swing back the other way, hard as fuck, and value money over everything, zero-sum, fuck everybody, fuck the country, fuck everything but the dollars I can claim, and the 80s rolled around. Finance was deregulated, and immediately erupted in previousky illegal practices including a savings & loan scandal that ruined millions of people's lives. Briefly, some people made a shitload of money, and lived extremely well, which came at the expense of everyone else whose lives got progressively shittier. Several times, we nearly killed hundreds of millions of our and Russia's populations, for no reason at all.

That was the culture that the GOP remade itself in the image of, and is still relying on to carry it through one more election. Kids of the 80s have little to no real concept of how fucked up it was living through all the very real and serious economic and military nightmares of that decade. They may need their own nightmares to learn the lessons we did. Have fun in school.

>>714381284
I didn't care for the Bushes either. But Obama still sucked.

literally the worst president in American history

retarded conservatives think of him as great because he stood up and said strong words, because to the right-wing, that's literally all that matters. saying words in a strong manner.
the only qualification for being a leader in the mind of the republican is saying "we will END ___ and CRACK DOWN on ______ and MAKE SURE WE STOP __________" in a firm voice. absolutely nothing else matters.

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>>714382127
Population growth requires a minimum of 200k+ jobs per month, putting the total just to tread water at over 1.8 million. How many did the progconomy add? Oh, 863k....

That's called MASSIVE FAILURE.

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>>714382920
You're still blaming the conservatives for it, so you learned nothing.

>>714355788
he was shit he funneled a few million to Iran, his economic policy lead to income inequality going up b 70%, used the cia to help smuggle crack into the country while drug use plus addiction was very low then expanded the drug war while getting everyone addicted to fund the toppling of legitimate democracies for oil, trained the mujahideen for a failed proxy war which then split into the taliban and al qaeda, caused a recession in 1983 which causes the loss of millions of jobs, and he appointed antonin scalia for supreme court justice

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>>714384026
>obama literally just funneled over $160 BILLION to Iran
>leftrash has nothing to say about it

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>>714382508
>I've met Obama
dick and timestamp or gtfo

>>714355987
Regan was best president since hoover or earlier.
Obama is worst ever, FDR who caused gr8 depression being only contenter

>>714357069
he should have lowered spending along with the tax cuts

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Black Lives do NOT matter! Mostly because they're not people.

>>714357418
what a cuck you are
USA is by far no1 standard of living
health care is not a right and usa is no1 far better than canada system, and kanuks come to usa to escape it
Italy are skinny because they are midgets with no muscle genetics
germany is inferior to usa in every way
china will soon learn humility Trump will make sure of that
Ross Perot said it more simply in 92
just let usa have same deal we grant others: access to your markets :)
mexico will soon have the wall and a good justice dept to boot 30mil illegals and kids of illegals
:)
have a nice day

>>714367891
There are more people in New Jersey than there are in North and South Dakota combined.

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>>714384674
>FDR caused Great Depression
Reagan's policies of Wall-Street deregulation led to the financial collapse in 2007 you fucking retard.

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>>714384766
>implying the masters you worship think you're people