Why don't you own an AR-15 for self-defense, and to protect

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>>714137175
Because I prefer my MAK-90 for SHTF

>>714137175

>ar-15
>self-defense

KEK. That shit isn't meant for close quarters lil nigger. Invest in a shotgun to protect your family indoors.

>>714137175
I have hands.

>>714137175
Because I'm not a little bitch afraid of the world.

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'Cause my snubby will do the job just fine.

well i do... why dont you have back up iron sights? lol>>714137175

im waaaay too poor

I kinda want an ar-18 for historical reasons.

I own an Infidel, an MP15 and a 4th gen Glock 19.

all of these choices are how you get tennitis

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>implying
I've got about $2,400 tied up in it. Retarded, I know, but I got carried away and just went with it. Fully left-handed, left side ejecting with side charging handle, Timney trigger, 20" 1:8 5.56 barrel, 15" quad rail, Magpul UBR stock, Hawke Optics 6-24x56 mil dot scope and it's built on an 80% lower so no serial #

>>714138762
Why not a Geissele trigger?

>>714138762
I also have a 3'' penis fully erect when I think about how cool my friends must think I am.

>>714139038
Truth be told, at the time I hadn't even heard of them. All any of my coworkers ever talked about was how great Timney triggers are so it was just in my head from the start that that's what I was going to buy for it

>>714139201
No funs poorfag detected

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>>714137175
I do.

>>714137175
I pick up a smith and wesson M&P sport 2 tomorrow along with 2 lowers for custom builds... preban cause fuck CA

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>>714138762

>he doesn't have over 4k tied up in his AR-15

>>714139523
Of all the possible reaction images, that one feels most appropriate.
Kek'd hard, anon

>>714137428
Haha fag dont get smoked

>>714139038
Geissele triggers are nice but overrated for the money. There are plenty of options available that are 95% as good for 50% of the cost.

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>Shotgun is first line of defense.
>Next is handgun.
>First two fail, break out muh kung-fu.
>Final solution, hamster.

I'm a felon

>>714137313
This.
I own an RRA and a Arsenal. I would NEVER think about using AR or AK alike for home defense, unless I lived on a ranch or something and could see my enemies coming from a ways away and actually line up a shot instead firing half a mag down a hallway.

>>714139715
That's a purty set. Papa bless.

>>714139341
What's that upper/lower? Its beautiful.

Because I have real rifles that do real damage from distances great and far. And.. I'm not paying bandwagon prices.

>>714137175
Because an AR-10 has more stopping power

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Because they are too expensive right now - but we have other firearms that will do the job if needed.

>>714139681
>Geissele triggers are overrated
>There are plenty of options available that are 95% as good

Yeah, um, I like that 5%.

Now that trump has won, it may be time. Getting tired of the stupid fucks that elected that orange baboon.

>>714139961
i like how you say NEVER then go on to contradict yourself about how you would do it. pick one.

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>>714140594
The only AR10 I fuck with

>>714140718
lol it's the cheapest they've been in a long time.

>>714140243
Full Bravo Company Manufacturing upper: 14.5" barrel, 13" KMR handgaurd, PWS FFS556 MOD 2 comp.

YMH 125 lower

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>>714137175
But I do.

>>714141061
>areyousureaboutthat.meme

>>714140718
>500 dollars
if you can't afford this you need to off yourself

>>714141257
Not that guy but in the Midwest they sure are. Everyone was panic buying before the election thinking that they could sell the rifles at a premium after the bitch got elected. That plan backfired when ol' Trumpykins grabbed her buy the pussy and applied the grip. Now gun laws are poised to become very relaxed and help loosen the stranglehold of fear everyone was feeling for their scary black rifles.

>>714142081
laws wont change

>>714141257
you can literally get an AR for 500 bucks, are you really that poor?

>>714142226
aint that the truth, Trump wont undo the shit that the previous asshole president did while in office, but he certainly will not continue the trend, Ca is and still will be fucked

>>714142938
niggerama didnt really do anything

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Mine

>>714137313
>Invest in a shotgun to protect your family indoors.

Shotguns aren't that great either. People who don't know what they are talking about like to say that shotguns are great because the spread is so great that you don't even have to aim. False. The spread at the ranges you have in a home invasion situation are very small. And buckshot has very deep penetration, so if you miss, the shot will be going directly through drywall and windows with no problem. Injuring people in other rooms or in the apartment/house next door would be your liability. A hand gun is infinitely superior to both options.

>>714141222
is that an mp5?

>>714137428
>Because I'm not a little bitch afraid of the world.

Neither am I, however I'd like to have an advantage during a home invasion.

>>714143170
what about a flamethrower?

>>714143170
Which handgun are you referring to not go through walls? Maybe a .45. Also, I use turkey load on a full choke for my home defense. A lot better than buck shot.

>>714143225
Kill yourself!

>>714143413
>Which handgun are you referring to not go through walls?

Anything hollowpoint is going to solve that problem.

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>>714143225
Close. It's a clone of a G3, the MP5's big brother.

>>714143170
>what is birdshot.

Because my country has a naval fleet there times all other countries combined ... I'd have to elect a child as president to feel the need to own a weapon against other countries. But against niggers ? Glock me up baby!

>>714143549
9mm hollow is still going to go through walls easily.

>>714143574
>>what is birdshot.

A poor choice for defense. Yeah it solves the penetration issues, but just not the best option.

>>714143549
you are retarded. if your hollowpoint wont go through a wall it would probably just bounce of a person if you shot them with it.

>>714143099
jerry brown did

>>714143113
I feel stupid as fuck for laughing at this...

>>714143170
Which is why I load shells with rock salt and metal shavings

>>714143799
Haters will say it's fake.

>>714143906
Nah, that rifle is very real

>>714143755
?

Yes of course it's going to go through a wall. It's going to bust a hole in it. What it won't do is punch through cleanly and continue on still a lot of velocity still behind it like most shot will.

>>714137175

because I own a GM6 Lynx not some puss 5.56 pea shooter

>>714143170
I do agree to a point, but most people won't know how to handle their adrenaline to properly aim the weapon.

>>714143886
That will only injure. Someone broke into my aunt's house a long time ago. She shot him in the arse with rock salt loads, and he drove himself to the hospital to see if they could make the intense burning stop.

You don't want to cause unnecessary harm; you want to stop a threat. Incapacitation is the most effective method to stop a threat.

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I need to get one or at least a lower before the end of the year. California has finally almost won in wrecking law abiding citizen.

It feels pretty bad man.

>>714144093
you are still retarded. go look up actual tests where they shoot through things like plywood, drywall, glass etc then come back when you realize you are wrong and dont know what youre talking about.

>>714139961
You're clearly too ignorant to understand that 5.56 is rather poor at penetrating walls. As compared to the heavier rounds of handguns that do not lose much velocity in walls.

Also, a pistol at fill extention is about as far from your body as an AR with 16" barrel.

The only benefits you get from using a pistol is the ability to shoot from retention and somewhat increased maneuverability.

>>714144093
Modern JHPs(HSTs, GoldDots, PDX1, etc) are made to have good barrier penetration, if you want something that wont go through a wall you need something like a frangible round.

>>714137175
You won't protect your country, your military will. And if you're fighting your own military, you're automatically fucked and will lose.

>>714144390
>>714144614
These tards that you two are quoting do not realize that it's the much greater mass behind pistol rounds COMBINED with the slower velocity that ends up causing the over penetration of non-armored targets.

>>714137175
>>714139961
Frangible rounds homie..

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OH SHIT NIGGA I GOT DAT 60RD ASSAULT DRUMAZINE

>>714145334
Hell YEAH SON! And a Glock-brand Glock!

>>714143228
how common do you think home invasions are? and why would you need a low stopping power, high penetration weapon for that? I'm sure your neighbors will appreciate the lead you send through their house

>>714145334

>tactical buttplug on rail

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AR is cool guy, I currently have 4

>>714142302
Yeah, if you want one that is shit and nothing to brag about. Just like how you can get a cheap AK, except cheaper AKs have less problems than cheaper ARs. Even then, both are still $650-750ish.

>>714145490
neighbors shmeighbors. they knew the risks of living in USA.

>>714137175
because you can't do any of those things with an ar-15. you can plink at the range or mag dump in a school, but there will never be an opportunity to use it for anything good

>>714145490
>Low stopping power
>High penetration
>AR?
Uhhh, you wrong nigga.

Specifically those two points are incorrect.

Because 12 gauge defender II

>>714144481
Obviously it depends on the type of ammunition used, but I'm pretty sure M855 can penetrante AR500 steel.

>>714137175
im not very knowledgeable about firearms in general, although i do own a few rifles and a pistol, ive been wanting to purchase aweapon with a bit more firepower too it, from what ive seen an "AR-15" is a pretty fucking generic AR. Do they come in different calibers? if so, whats a standard caliber for, say, home defense? .45?
(asking because im buying one soon, and want a bit of advice)

>>714137175
>>714137300
>>714138762
>>714139341
>>714141007
>>714141222
>>714143565
>>714145334
I don't get why you need anything more then a handgun to defend your home. It's not like there will be hordes of bandits swarming your house. No need for a 30-round military-grade assault rifle.

>>714145758
Which is why you don't use M855 for your home defense.

But in general 5.56 rounds tend to lose a shit ton of velocity and tumble, thus losing more velocity when they hit an object.

>>714145804

>Do they come in different calibers?

Yes

>whats a standard caliber for, say, home defense? .45

.45 ARs aren't that common. 9mm is more common. But for home defense the standard 5.56x45mm rifle round is superior to any handgun caliber due to high velocity fragmentation.

>>714137175
I enjoy my handguns more than an ar personally. Just bought a sig p320 and loving it for my daily carry

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All of the outside walls of my apartment are brick. I'll shoot with whatever the fuck I want.

>>714137313
>not knowing about .223/5.56 ballistics in home defense settings
>still recommending a shotgun to overpen and kill your neighbors

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>>714145911
>military-grade assault rifle.
>semi-automatic

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>>714145911
>DERP DERP YOU DON'T NEED IT WHY WOULD YOU HAVE IT?

get cuck'd libtard.

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>>714145911

I own them mainly to piss off faggots like you

>>714145804
wow. i dont even know where to start...Buying an AR in a pistol caliber like .45 is retarded, better off getting a hipoint carbine.

>>714145911
What exactly makes something "military grade"?

And what exactly makes that a bad thing for home defense?

Do you not want your weapon to go BANG every time you pull the trigger? Perhaps you prefer the thrill of not knowing whether or not you will have a failure to fire because your weapon isn't as reliable as a "military rifle".

>>714146135
You sure do give those faggots a lot of power over your money tbh. I have nothing against your rifles, just saying.

They are perfect for shooting the guy who broke into your house, and killing your neighbor's kid with one round

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>>714146325
Maybe that kid should not of been following the nigger breaking in

>>714146058
To convert a semi-automatic weapon to fully-automatic takes less than five minutes and a paper clip.

>>714146058
its a lot more suitable for military use then home defence. Just look at the name "ASSAULT rifle" (not defence rifle).
>>714146067
10/10 argument, couldn't be better
>>714146135
i feel sorry for you in that case

>>714146455
you just have to remove the firing pin to make it full auto

My state doesn't allow guns unless you are military affiliated or a hunter.

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Extremely small penis reporting in.

>>714146455
Lol wut?

We're you talking to Gary Johnson's VP candidate????

It requires a competent machinist to make the proper part.

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>>714146325
>>714146439

>>714146455
oh boy. go to bed, kid

>>714146479
How retarded are you? AR means Armalite Rifle, idiot.

The faggotry in this thread is overwhelming.

Only pussies collect guns. Raging, basement dwelling pussies.

>>714146641

do you expect these retards who are scared of guns to actually know how guns operate on a mechanical level?

Because I regard my dick as adequately sized and don't think a gun would make it bigger if I didn't

>>714146613
Do you live in America?

>>714143746
Because birdshot will be less incapacitating than buckshot when being shot <25 yards

>>714146709
REAL MEN STUDY THE BLADE

>>714146709

I hope you get raped by Jamal and his pack of nignogs

>>714140983
3edgy5me

>>714146709
We don't have time to study the blade like you did you fedora wearing cuck

>>714146709
only idiots die because they didn't carry a firearm when the nigger shot them.

>>714146742
Unfortunately yes

>>714146720
No, I don't. They all believe the shoulder thing that goes up is what causes the rounds to fly 8 miles and destroy EVERYTHING within 50 ft of rounds path.

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>>714146709

Unarmed cuck detected

>>714146851
Then yes, your state allows you to own a weapon.

It's your constitutional right.

Unless you're a felon, or not a citizen.

>>714146809
>implying there is anything on this planet edgier than a Trump supporter

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>>714146675
try again

>>714146868
dont forget the cop killer armor-piercing holler point lazer boolits

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I sleep with an FNX45 under my pillow

>>714146953

Hell, even noncitizens can own guns in America, as long as you're a legal resident.

>>714146953
Neither I have a clean record and am a citizen, and still not able to own a firearm can you guess what state?

>>714147003
ok, then define "assault rifle", you faggot.

>>714147015
Was thinking of getting an fn.....how do you like it? I got an s&w mp shield in my drawer bed side

>>714147170
Cali

>>714146851

Then you're just ignorant. All states allow some form of gun ownership but what guns you can specifically own will depend on state laws. In all states you can own revolvers, certain semiauto pistols and rifles, and 12 gauge pump shotguns. You should really do some research, you seem misinformed or just dumb.

>>714137175

I get government cheese for being a mentally ill genetic dead end. Not allowed to purchase firearms. Thanks Obama.

>>714147192
do you ccw your shield?

>>714147003
No, the other dude is right.

WIKIPEDIA is incorrect.

The AR-15 is not an assault rifle.

An assault rifle is: a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate caliber rifle round.


AR-15s are not select rifle. They cannot fire MORE than 1 round per trigger pull unless they have (in most cases) illegally modified.

>>714147240
Nope, very cold

>>714147170
Illinois.

They're the most restrictive state. You need to get out of that shithole.

>>714147291
>illegally modified.
or youre a retard and put the hammer spring in wrong

>>714146286
of course an assault rifle will protect your home. But it is way overkill when a handgun can do the job just fine. Unless you are autistic you wont need more then a handgun magazine to kill an intruder. I'm sure there are reliable handguns out there.
With no apparent advantages there is simply a higher risk that some edgy depressed /b/tard will shoot up a school.

>>714147255
Anon you don't live where I live it's the U.S apart from the U.S

>>714147287
Used to, i conceal my sig p320 and have my wife take the shield. Spent the extra on the vented slide but it was worth it. Damn reliable for sure

>>714147363
No sorry friend still very far from me

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>>714146975

>>714147379
You are the autist because you haven't read any of my other posts in this thread.

5.56 is far from "overkill" in a home defense situation.

5.56 does not over-penetrate walls or explode limbs off of "victims"

>>714146455
Lol. My TI told me that trying to do shit like this might work, but once it gets firing, it ain't stopping until it's dry. That's if you don't fuck it up like your average dumb ass will

>>714147474
Hmmm....jersey? Maybe new Hampshire?

>>714147474
Mass-a-fucking-chusettes


Still a shithole.

>>714145696
>what is a convenient, comfortable, cheap, lightweight hunting/camping rifle that has plenty of available parts that can be bought at 99% of sporting stores?

>>714147489
Thanks for proving my point.

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>>714137175

>>714147436
i carried a shield for a few years, have a XDS 9mm currently

>>714147661
>XD
Kill yourself.

>>714147363
Illinois fag reporting in. Took me 10 minutes to sign up for a FOID card and I got it in the mail two weeks later. The fuck are you on about? Only downside is purchasing firearms and ammo in Cook county because of the retarded 5 cent per bullet tax and other shit.

>>714147661
How was it for that long? I've only put about 250 rounds through it before giving it over to my wife, still feel it's reliable?

>>714147755
ok! XD

>>714147775
I've heard of some horror stories about gun ownership in Illinois.

And some stories from fellow cops who have been arrested by Illinois State Troopers for carrying while driving through the state.

>>714147775
>5 cent per bullet tax
Are you serious? I'm kek'ing over here. On the upside, I guess, it's not even enough to be annoying other than as a matter of principle.

>>714147291
whatever, my point is that its way overkill for home defence
>>714147188
im not gonna debate whether AR-15 is an assault rifle or not, that was not my intention. I was trying to argue that a handgun is enough to stop an intruder

>>714147640
Sorry buddy, but he's our president now. I disagree with him too, but at least I can accept it.

>>714147474
Hawaii

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>>714147402
Ewww do you live in one of the territories?

>>714147564
Right on point NJ

>>714148024
I just said his supporters were edgelords, man.

>>714147854
Carried it for about 2 years, never had an issue with it. Probably had 1500 rounds through it of every weight and make.

>>714137175
Are these threads banned on /k/? Why is this on /b/?

>>714147590
That's another no tolerance firearm state

>>714148082
Yeah it is a bitch to get a carry permit there. Hell just getting a rifle or shotgun one is like what 250 and a wait? Im glad I'm not there anymore lol....jersey is fucked with gun laws....you can get a handgun one but you end up spending more for the permit alone than a damn firearm

>>714148002
"im going to make a claim and then when im proven wrong im just going to say that wasnt my point"

>>714145911
Never used one.

>>714147983
That's only in Cook county. There's also a $25 firearm purchase tax along with sales tax every time you buy a gun. I'm pretty sure citizens are only allowed one gun purchase per month too or some stupid shit. C(r)ook county is whack. Thank god I live in DuPage.

>>714148130
Good to hear, at the range it has proven to be a damn good gun, glad to hear after that many rounds it is still reliable

Implying that you will ever use that gun in self defense. If someone breaks into your house to kill you, he'll be the one with a gun ready to fire, not you. Why are gunowners too pussy to say they own guns for recreational use

>>714148002
Why stop at "enough?" When my life is on the line, I'd like to think I would do better than just adequate.

>>714148002
You can't really argue whether or not a pistol is "enough"

Someone will always be able to come up with a situation where it wasn't and another perfectly legal solution was called for.

Which is why no one can make a successful argument as to why you "only need" 10 rounds for your weapon.

>>714147003
>hurr durr look it says type: Assault Rifle
>therefore AR = assault rifle
Thats fucking wrong, you tard.
Explain literally Armalite anything, why its named AR____.
Explain the AR50 and AR24.
In fact, explain what a fucking assault rifle is. I dare you to define one.

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>>714148002

You're right, my 10.5" AR HANDGUN is enough for me, thanks!

>>714147535
yeah 450 m effective range, 20-30 magazine, full auto (most of 5.56, not all) are all essentials for home defence.

>>714147916
It's not too bad. I'm not educated on the laws in other states regarding firearms but 90% of Illinois is chill. For some reason every cop in Illinois has autism so I can see where people might have trouble though. I've lived in Illinois all my life and have never met a cop taller than 5'6" kek

>>714148283
You can't have a concealed carry at all here, even if you get caught with an empty clip and no gun it's a major fine.

>>714148647
>full auto (most of 5.56, not all)
This is exactly why you lost this argument before you even started. A simple lack of accurate knowledge.

>>714140993
>"I would never do this, unless [obvious hypothetical and less than likely scenario]"
>YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF FAGGOT PICK ONE
Are you daft?

>>714144481
You are clearly too ignorant to notice I never said shit about penetration??

>>714148432
yeah I'd trust my life with it. Only got rid of it because I needed $, sold it for $50 less than I bought it for brand new so it was a good deal. My dad has carried a shield for about a year, he likes it.

>>714145999
>assuming everyone is a poorfag like you who lives in an apartment

>>714148791
Right right, but i ment open carry, i thought you were allowed that no? With two actions before discharge (cocking and trigger pull)? Or is that totally gone now to? It's been over 10 years since i lived in jersey now so i really forget

Because i'm broke and i want something that is a quality build and accurate.

>>714148647
AR-15s are not fully automatic. If you want to fill out your forms and pay $200 you can have it modified. If you want to waste a shitload of ammo that is. But then again if you want to break the law and illegally modify it then what do you expect additional laws to do about it?And what does a "450m effective range" have to do with anything? Is it somehow useless for anything under 200m???

>>714148464
first of all, in most home invasion scenarios a handgun would probably be preferable due to its size and mobility.
Second of all, by fighting for your rights of owning assault rifles, you are also helping other edgelords get their hands on one. They may shoot up a public place and kill your loved ones.
>>714148470
someone will always be able to come up with a situation for anything. You could argue that you need a nuclear warhead to fight off an alien invasion. These "possible scenarios" should not be used as arguemnts

>>714148867
I was projecting what I thought your anti-AR argument would be. That's usually what faggot's mean when they try to claim an AR is ill-suited for home defense.

So once again the ball is in your court to make an argument as to WHY it is "overkill".

>>714148002
>AR stands for assault rifle
>look, wikipedia even proves it, it says the AR15 is an assault rifle
>therefore AR stands for assault rifle
Actually no thats wrong
>THAT WASNT MY INTENTION
>I NEVER SAID THAT
>LOOK, THATS BESIDES THE POINT

>>714149217
>If you want to fill out your forms and pay $200 you can have it modified.
It's not even that simple friend. Tax stamps aren't for full auto. The registry is closed. Only way full auto stuff(besides military) gets made now is for dealer samples and other stuff that won't be sold for private ownership.

>>714148323
i was wrong, it is not an assault rifle (even tho it can be converted). That was not my original point. But I admit that I was wrong. Happy?

>>714148987
Anon fuck no that is not allowed anymore, gov Chris raped us of that right. Where do you live I'm moving?

>>714147192
I'm serious. A 15 round mag full or 45 ACP. Super light weight. It's perfect.

>>714149336
Why do you need a car that can go faster than 80?

Why do you need to buy more than a six pack of beer?

Smoking more than a pack of cigarettes a day is incredibly dangerous! You shouldn't be able to buy any more than that!!!

>>714149415
>Tax stamps aren't for full auto

Yes they are, you still need a tax stamp to legally transfer a pre-1986 registered full auto

>>714149217
The person who I was responding to was talking abnout rifles that use 5.56. In addition I said (most not all) in which case I was referring to AR15 and other similar ones.

>>714149336
It's not my fault what other people "might" do. Most gun crime/murder is committed by people with handguns, not long guns. Sounds like you're the one encouraging the crime here.

>>714149553
You didn't say transfer you said modify. You can't legally just make something full auto like you can with an SBR or suppressor.

>>714149665
With stolen fires mind you.

But let's not mention that people who don't care about the laws aren't stopped by gun laws.


AND let's not mention that 50% of the murders in this country are committed by black people. Let's not confuse facts with reality here.

>>714149472
Military moved me to utah. Fucking best state for gun laws. You can open carry without a permit...just need to follow the two action rule... Concealed permits aren't expensive and roughly take a month to get. Literally can walk into the store, full out a page of info, they do a quick check and you are out the door. Also utah Concealed permits i believe have the most states that are joined in with it so travel is easy. Gotta say i love it

>>714148824
see ---> >>714149596
In addition, even if its not full auto, it can be modified. Also my other two arguments (450m range and 20-30 round magazine) are still in effect even if it is semi-auto

>>714149778

I'm not that person, you're right, he's wrong about the modifying as a non-FFL.

>>714149550
1. I believe there should be a speed limit on cars
2. You may need to buy beer for a party or simply stock up
3. You don't kill other people with cigarettes

>>714149837
OK see: >>714148464
Why should I not take every single advantage I can get to protect my own life or those of others?

>>714149778
I was confused then. My bad. (I am two quotes back talking about the tax stamp for modifying)

I am familiar with SBRs and suppressors but not full-auto crap.

Since FA guns are a complete waste I seldom give a shit about them...

>>714149833

>Fucking best state for gun laws. You can open carry without a permit.

Uh...most states have nonpermit open carry WITHOUT that stupid 2-action rule. Utah really isn't that good.

>>714149526
Nice. Was thinking of going that route for my .45 or going ruger 1911...planning on snagging one in the next few weeks though I'm worried on the ammo expense. My 9mm are so cheap i can burn through those boxes without worry

>>714149964
Did you also suppose the idea of the New York ban on large sodas?

>>714150082
Support*

>>714149964
>You don't kill other people with cigarettes

what is secondhand smoke? What is smoking while pregnant?

>>714149665
Is any crime stopped by long guns? If you get mobbed do you pull out your ar-15 from you backpack and show the thief what you got?

>>714149987
Yeah i fucked up on that my bad, i ment the conceal permit is one of, if not the best in the county

>>714148002
>its more than enough to save your life
So say I, for some reason, walked upon you crawling across the desert.
You're extremely dehydrated and will surely die in exactly 60 minutes unless I give you *at least* 1 cup of water. You tell me that anything less than 1 cup will be used in less than an hour, and you'll again be in danger of immediately dying.
Biology and science aside, wouldn't you be happier if I gave you a gallon as opposed to a cup and walked away?
I like to think that the saying "less is more" quickly goes out the window when youre facing your demise

>>714150171

That's true. I appreciate that Utah also hands out nonresident permits. I have my nevada permit but a utah permit is valid in more states.