if the inevitable conclusion of life is death, isn't suicide

if everything you eat turns to poop, just eat shit?

Death is a human construct. Nothing ends, it only re-arranges.

why go to sleep at the end of the day when you could just be efficient and sleep now?

Life isn't about the destination, it's about the journey there

>>714131149
not the question you should be asking, anon.

>>714131582
>this
/thread

>>714131149
It's an option, OP. If your life is so shitty, it can be an act of beauty.

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>>714131582
Why? People keep saying this without any justification, but why should I accept this?

I'll be dead for a hell of a lot longer than any of this "journey" before I kick the bucket. What is the point of a journey that just gets cut off after few wretched years only so that I can merge into non-existence again? What is the point of this fucking journey people keep talking about? Knowledge, love, procreation -- all of those things aren't worth shit to a rotting corpse.

>>714133091
Nothing means anything. Suicide, don't suicide. Nothing has ever mean less... or more.

>>714133355
Oh yes, very deep, congratulations on sounding like a pretentious faggot.

Obviously there is meaning in the world. I know what the sentence I type mean. I know what other people mean when they say things. I know what 2+2=4 means.

And on what do you base your assertion that suicide doesn't mean anything? And what do you mean by that oxymoron at the end. If this is all you can say then kindly just fuck off.

>>714131149
sauce?

>>714133979
It means accept the fact that you are already dead faggot and go find some cool shit to do.

>>714131149
It aint about where life ends, everybody's going to the same place. It's about what you do on your way there, man. Suicide in the name of efficiency is pointless.

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>>714131149
I got to admit...
I don't belive in suicide as a bad thing to do, there's a lot of folks out there that they were just not made for this world and one day the take the decision of going home and that's fine for them.
But there are a big number of people who commit suicide just because they feel desperate, life it is not supposed to be easy.
- a suicide is an old soul ready to leave this world, this paralel.
- an hero it's just a looser.

>>714131237
is that even an analogy?

>>714134227
That doesn't follow from your earlier argument at all you shitstain. Besides, this is just called hedonism and I still see NO FUCKING ARGUMENT why should I follow that stupid fucking advice.

The moments in my life that I value the most are abso-fucking-lutely moments that had nothing to do with "cool shit" or "fun" or whatever nonsense like that, so why should I rob myself of these deep self-defining moments you worthless piece of consumerist trash?

How am I already dead? What do you faggot even mean by that? Just a couple of posts ago you or some other idiot was talking about life being a journey, presumable in-between birth and death, so how can I fucking approach my inevitable death when I'm already dead?

Is this logical trash something you base your life on?

>>714131237
https://discord.gg/FwjRm9j

>>714133091
this nigga is right.
>>714134829

Why toy with an unknown you can never come back from? There's a lot more out there. Hobbies that would take life times to fully explore.

Or hell, put that suicide wish to use and start doing daring shit. Pick up high wire acts, free solo rock climbing, big wave surfing, amateur kit car racing, free sking/snowboarding. Or fuck just go bushwack into the woods. That's what Kurt Kobain did. Seemed to get peace from it before dosing up.

>>714135167
No he's fucking not.

Was Socrates a loser for deciding he'd rather take his own life than break his principles? If so, why? Everyone is just fucking full of baseless assertions with no other aim than making themselves look smart.

>>714131385
This is the only valuable reply

>>714135167
>>714135585
Or the people who volunteered in the cleanup of Chernobyl, fully knowing that they are signing their own death warrant, is that not essentially suicide? What is the core difference? Were they losers as well?

>>714134996
Is there a reason why you're posting here? You want to come off as committed that death is the only answer but you still come to a Vietnamese doll house website to complain about your problems.

If you're just going to adopt the mindset that no one can convince you then act like it. Clearly by posting here, you have a strong enough will to keep going. But, I'll let you prove that to yourself.

You guys didn't help me at all.

Fuck it.

>>714133091
Well then you might as well kill yourself. Can't find a reason to live them stop fucking up the gene pool with your self hate and depression. One less weakling to slow down the human race.

>>714136009
Boo hoo? You didn't ask for help, you asked a retarded existential question and get retarded existential replies.

>>714131149
Go for it!

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>>714131149
If you don't plan on doing anything between now and then, yes.

>>714134146
I too want sauce

>>714136009
OK bye.

Life is filled with choices and the mind is built on a recursive understanding of what it means to exist.
"I am real because I say I am real"

If you're going to be this spineless about the situation than, shit dude, nothing we can say will help you. You just wanted pointless justification.

Enjoy eternal darkness friendo

>>714135980
I am not fucking "committed to death". What do you even base that on you fucking idiot? By the way, I'm not the OP.

What else is there to do than try to get answers? My essential question is not why live -- it's just the default state, why break it, my question is what is worth dying for? What is as worth as life? What is even life's worth? It doesn't matter where the answer, or at least a lead, might come from, it might as well come from /b/, I don't know. But everyone is just too fucking scared to think outside few basic fucking cliches.

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>>714131149
tfw to intelligent to live

>>714131582
This. Its about the journey, man.

>>714131149
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

>>714135585
socrates was smart, yes, but he died for it, that it is not considered suicide, that's sacrifice which is completely different, same as the chernobyl liquidators, that is putting the life of other above your own life.
A sacrifice is something that you do without especting nothing in return.

>>714131149
Sauce damn it

>>714131149
>being naive enough to think your life is some kind of journey

youre just an animal. be alive, eat, sleep, fuck, do animal shit. trying to assign a higher role to yourself only makes it hurt that much more when you dont "live up to" those expectations

>>714131149
No. You learn nothing by reading the first chapter then the last page. You fucking twat. There is no experience, no lessons learned. Even if you want to be nihilistic about it, if there is nothingness after all this, this is all you have. To waste what life you have is a curse upon you and the world you live in. The experiences you could have had and the knowledge you gathered could of helped the loved ones you have and the people whom you occupy this place with. We should at least most of the time be attempting to better understand the world we live in, to at least help those to come. We are pioneers in the now. Everything you deal with, every experience had could become a life lesson that speeds someone else in to better life. "We are only borrowing the world from our children."

>>714136598
Wow it's almost like you're posting anonymously and it's difficult to keep track of who is who.

The question is usually boiled down to different ideologies. I'm not a philosopher but I have my own understandings of life.

To me, it's the willingness to explore. To continue. Push this existence as far as I can go. As far as I am concerned, I see life as a conservative value. I need people to teach me, to reach my goals. With entropy and randomness being a factor, I value everyone the same as I value my goals. But that's my armchair philosophy. I don't think about it often though. Mainly because I am rarely faced with the situation.

Or maybe you want me to regurgitate some Phil 101 quotes. I could spew about hedonic calculus but I think the whole thing becomes so subjective and abstract, at some point you have to let go. Sure there's societal values but, so far so good I suppose depending on which floating land mass you're on. However, when dealing with value, you have to question so much. It's dedication I just dont have the patients to explore.

I can't remember the philosopher but I remember hearing how he made himself a chair of nails. Everytime he felt himself get off track or talks with a friend too long, he digs the nails deeper until he gets back to work.

>>714131385
Death is a reality. A re-arrangement of the conscious mind could be your end. Energy scattered across the cosmos could lose it's sense of self, ending you. Fire burns would to ash, then it scatters to the wind. What was wood, is never wood again.

>>714131149
sauce?

>>714131149
>>714133091
>>714133979


OP, youre just depressed, or disassociated. Its going on 5 years for me, and only recently have I seen some sort of light.

Like is a journey because when you come out of the darkness is when you realize that the days before have some sort of value. Maybe humility. To be human is to suffer. And to die would be to be anything but.

Ya dig?

>>714137564
We have surpassed the animal. Civilization, heightened sense of self awareness and a technology separate man from animal. We have our tendencies, but we have a calling to better ourselves. The easy path is to rut around in our shit and cum. The better path is to excel. It's an obvious thing. And we are in a time where we see people doing both. Exclaiming greatness of their favored state. Technology is too great at this point to ignore it, and betterment of life is vastly more obvious of the choices, and it's a growing trend.

>>714137097
But I feel like there's two types of people who take that route, the truly heroic ones who want to altruistically sacrifice themselves to save lives, and the ones who see it as an opportunity to commit suicide without the shame associated.

>>714131149
Yes so get to it

>>714138236
What can be can always be again given time and oppurtunity

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>>714131149
Dumbass

When you eat a taco it's all about the taste while you eat it, not the shit you take at the end.

Life is like eating a taco

>>714131237
he's using OP's logic against him

>>714131149

Gotta get that afterlife tho.

>>714139121
In that other anon's example; suicide was glorified in Ancient Greek and Roman culture. Socrates was actually executed by being forced to drink hemlock - forced suicide. I think people that sacrifice themselves for suicide are far and few between.

>>714134829
>life it is not supposed to be easy.
How fucking arrogant of you. If they felt sad/helpless/desperate enough to kill themselves, then life sure as shit wasn't supposed to be that difficult either. We can not imagine being in such a mindset

>>714133091
Hey, dad, look at me, think back and talk to me, did i grow up according to the plan? and do you think i'm wasting my time, doing things i wanna do

>>714131149
I view this primarily as a symptom of modern materialism and nihilism. The Overton window has shifted so far away from any belief of higher conciousness or spirituality that people are beginning to realize that as an individual, life is pretty meaningless on earth.

This is why nationalism, racialism, etc., have serious potential in the future; the feeling of being a part of something larger.

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>>714131237
Top milkdude

>>714131149

You know what the meaning of life is? Fucking. Fucking women. Fucking eating good food. Fucking making money. Fucking doing what you want to do and not being a whiny bitch because you can't take the initiative to get what you want out of life. Yeah, it's really all meaningless when you die, but who the fuck cares? If you aren't enjoying your life and you feel suicidal it's your own fucking fault you're not out trying to fuck the shit out of the bitch called life.

>>714131149
Sauce

>>714140441
My point proven exactly...
>>714140079

Gluttony, lust, and general hedonism will only fill the void for so long...

>>714139847
Probably just me then. I constantly daydream of scenarios where I can die as the martyr/hero without bringing great shame upon my famiry

>>714140884
If you have the balls you can sign up for the Lions of Rojava in Syria. They take basically anybody I'm fairly certain.