ITT: Computer Engineering/Computer Science/Engineering general

do all the math master the math....if you can do the math you can do the science

>>/g/

You learn physics if youre going to do anything space related.
Also get diverse on programming, such as learning many languages and methods of working.
Math is very essential to make sure all systems are on check, btw what part u wanna work on spacex?

>>714098769
Nice fingerbox, OP. How much did that set you back with all thise bells and whistles?

>>714098892
So where should I start
Trig and Pre-cal, then just move along until I hit Calc 1?
The prereq classes include Calc 1, etc.

>>714099079
too slow.
I wouldn't have come here if I didn't get answers there.

>>714099260
this is the career I want.
So these languages are what I'd need to know
http://www.spacex.com/careers/position/8316

My question is...is that a smart career choice?
Is there growth?

I can't find much info on it anywhere hence my coming here

>>714099744
15k.

worth it though.
High quality fingerboxes are hard to come by

>>714098769
what kind of fucking autism computer is this?

>>714099939
That makes me wish I had done more with my life. I'm still using the wooden one my dad left to me. It's a beutiful antique, but it can't compete with today's modern materials. I was thinking abiut upgrading the liner, but that'll destrot its value. I'm thinking of taking it to an antiques roadshow to get it appraised. Maybe I'll be able to make enough to get something more modern.

>>714098769
>I want to work for SpaceX.
>I want to suck dick
>Unrealistic? Yup
>Unrealistic? nah, OP's a natural cock holster
You need to learn C and java, if you were actually any good you'd learn VisualStudio at the same time

>>714100741
I can see you don't like SpaceX

SpaceX sounds like the best porn production company imo

>>714100825
I'm an engineer, choosing who you want to work for is a meme tier mistake

You have no idea the opportunities available yet, so don't limit yourself to a particular brand of dildo just yet

>>714100684
Modern is nice but only for a while.
The antiques are antiques for a reason, they're a classic and are timeless.
Remember this.

>>714098892
+1

>>714101283
Oh I know it's retarded to do that, but to me it's a form of getting myself to get into the industry.

I know it's a 1 and fuck no chance of me working there.

If you were me now with the knowledge of the industry you have, what would you do? (understanding engineering is broad as fuck)

you need to be an insane autistic robot to go up to that level. try striving towards something humans do.

>>714101496
Just do it

>>714101750
which is?

I guess I want a job that allows me to work in a meaningful manner. I understand SpaceX is a heavy heavy workload and demand, but I feel it's worth it.

Plus I'd like to make some kind of money that will sustain a life.
Some people do this strictly for the $, but I find the work is worth more.
If I'm working on something I care about, i don't care if I'm only making medium income for engineers.
(I've seen the average is around 90k)

>>714102064
you just said it was a meme tier mistake...I don't want to make mistakes yet

>>714101496

It's not a magical wonderland that only the lucky few get into
Work on yourself and you will be valuable, to others, but firstly to yourself

>if you were me now with the knowledge of the industry you have, what would you do? (understanding engineering is broad as fuck)

my boring but underrated advice
>learn C any variant
>learn Java
>learn visualstuidio
>learn excel spreadsheets

>math up to calculus (google visual guide)

So none of these ones ^ should be done in school, do it on youtube, on your own time.

>get machining certified (its like a 6 month 1 class deal)
99% of engineers have no experience in manufacturing and that is their single greatest flaw

>>714100741
>You need to learn C and java, if you were actually any good you'd learn VisualStudio at the same time
I don't see how Java and VisualStudio (whatever there is to learn about an IDE...) will help with SpaceX.
C and Ada should be learned for critical systems.

>>714102144
I'm not that guy srry.
But I do have an apprenticeship at nvidia, good start in my opinion.

>>714102211
I've seen from employees that they do crave people who are ambitious sometimes willing to overlook some self-taught aspects for the ambition.

>C variant
I was thinking C++?
I've seen C# is also said to be good as well.

>math up to calculus
So, start trig and work my way up?
Like I said I'm using Khan academy currently

>>714102430
go into a little more depth?
Why are you disagreeing with him on that aspect??

>>714098769

Get the math down good, you won't be able to take many classes unless you pass your math prerequisites. Also work on coding such as writing algorithms and your own implementation of computer science concepts. The idea here is to get ahead now so that when you get to uni you won't be learning these concepts, just practicing to be more proficient. Also it'll give you time to work on side projects to build your resume.

Even if you don't understand it now it'll be easier once you get to uni.

>>714102430
Java is used by everyone, it doesn't matter if the language sucks, you need to be able to have teamwork
If you're using Windows OS, VisualStudio for the same reason, highly underrated for dealing with problems in the OS and corporate applications


>>714102751
>overlook
If you know something than you know it, take a class if you want that on paper. Confidence is something you need to have.
Any C, you can transition if needed. To grasp the difference between logic based and math based languages is important.


https://betterexplained.com/
this site has visual guides for trig but it's not quite what I remember
nothing wrong with khan academy imo

>>714102814
Because Java is a high level language that requires a virtual machine that manages a lot of stuff.
Because of that there will be a resource requirement that people do not want to meet in embedded system in order to use smaller/simpler controllers.
Also in critical systems (planes, spaceships, cars, etc) in order to reduce as much as possible the probability of bugs, people want the strict minimum, only the code for the features they need and nothing else so that they only have to worry about that, this reduces the amount of code you have to check and ensures your code is not disrupted by something you don't care about. The fact that the java virtual machine is kind of a black box that does a bunch of stuff is also a no go in any critical system because of these reasons.
C is used a lot in critical and embedded system as it is a very minimalist language (low level of abstraction) so it does not have very complex features. Ada is less widespread across domains, but in critical systems it is also used as it provides more safety features than C (strong typing, dynamic checks, etc).

>>714103365
>Java is used by everyone
No, a lot of teams never come across Java, just like a lot of teams never use C. They apply to very different sectors were computer science is used.

>>714104082
Hey I get you don't like Java, doesn't mean he shouldn't learn it
The kid's trying to get a crazy job

>>714104082
Thank you for your input!

I appreciate it.

If you check the SpaceX link I gave, it should have a list of requirements language wise.

Would you mind checking it and giving me some input on those?

>>714104310
>crazy job

Is it really that crazy?
not that i'm intimidated, just wasn't sure if it was that insane

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>>714098769
Just set your mindset around the dream. Think about it all throughout everyday, if not once or twice. You should know as well as the rest that once you do this you will begin to see patterns and realize what you want and need to learn. You'll think about what you might need to learn and what best ways there are to get to where you need to be. Do you know what I mean?

I used to want to work for Nintendo in Japan when I was a kid. I was going to work for Gamestop throughout college and by the time I had my bachelors I was going to move to Japan and start searching. Now I realize the reality. I would need to be fluent in Japanese. I would also need to start somewhere smaller and work my way up with credentials and references.

With a space program I don't know how much is required. I can assume SpaceX has people from all around the world working with them, so you might need the potential to learn new languages, on some minor level. At the very least? Great communication skills. Just, think realistically. That's better than thinking unrealistically about something you might deem unrealistic. Catch my drift?

As far as where to start is concerned? Get in contact via email with some local college professors who teach and specialize in Computer Engineering. Introduce yourself and give them the general gist of what your interested in. They will help you out, tremendously. Really, they don't only talk to people who go to their college or are in their class. Just go to a college, ask for a directory or referral to the computer engineering professors and simply email them. They'll most likely give you their office hours in which you can schedule an appointment to meet with them and just talk.

>>714104463
>spaceX
>sleeping on the floor sometimes

I'd call it crazy but it's not like you're a slave, people fight for the opportunity, get burnt out and go work for apple etc

>>714104310
I don't care whether Java is good or bad, I don't know where you get that from.
I'm just saying that Java won't be of much (any?) use for the job he wants at the moment, that's all, he can learn whatever he wants.

>>714098769
keep dreaming fag

elon is a fag

>>714099875
Listen man, go to quora.com and check the experiences of workers there right now, or ex-employees. The way you talk about it, saying 'is there growth' is not something that's gonna get you far @ spaceX. You need to love the SHIT out of the job you're doing to manage staying sane there, with the 6 (sometimes even 7) day work weeks, with about 10 hours, and lots of unscheduled overtime, ridiculous amounts of pressure, and the highest possible expectations from the brass, who often want you to do impossible things and are ready to fire you if you don't meet up to their standards.

haven't worked there, not American sadly, but I just wanna let you know that you're in for a trip if you wanna get in there for the money or rep.

>>714104643
fair, we just disagree then
no worries

>>714098769
Math up to diffyQ, than start to program. Actually write working programs, there are a lot of free IDEs. That and the ability to work in teams lands you jobs. Take a job doing dev, then work up. SpaceX doesn't hire out of college, pretty much no fortunate 500s or hot to work for start up do. You need 2-3 years at a respectable company to show you can work in corporate culture, then you shoot for your dream companies.

>math degree, did consulting for IT company, than QA, then moved to software dev

>>714104605
I mean, working for SpaceX would look great on a resume wouldn't it?
>>714104702
uhh..you're trying to get to Mars and build a company in an industry where you don't just start a company and bam you're there.
It's obviously going to suck at moments...but you're working towards Mars...
>>714104809
what do you two agree on??

>>714104643
>SpaceX
>java
the fuck are you guys on about? i HIGHLY doubt that space agencies use simple, commercial programming languages in their software. in fact, and Op isn't going to like this, most government funded agencies under federal supervision, for things of course like space exploration and travel, at times consult with private industrial companies for their hardware and software, equipment and etc. Those companies don't do it all on their own.

OP do you even know how to design a CPU yet?

It's basically a requirement before you even start.

>>714098769
Musk is a fucking faggot, and youre a faggot for wanting to work for him

>>714104082
mostly on point. I don't know anyone who uses c / c++, fortran, assembly that doesnt know another high level language, usually java or c#

>>714098769

Have you never had a full time job?

Doesnt seem to me like you have, so youre either underage or a total loser

My only advice is chase your dreams, but be prepared for disappointment

>>714105441
Nope.

my ambition and curiosity say who gives a shit, I'll learn that before I move on to the next topic.

I don't care what it takes, I just want it

>>714105253
Why are you citing me? I was precisely saying that I didn't think Java would be useful to get into SpaceX. Can you read?
Although I don't understand your point about "commercial programming language", why do you think Java is a "commercial language"?

>>714105641
Multiple full time jobs.

I was signed for the Navy but backed out to take care of my dad when he was diagnosed with cancer.

so the past 3 years were me taking care of him for 13 months, then a grief period.

Just want to get my life back

I interned at SpaceX this past summer. The pay is comparatively low, and you will work your ass off. So you better damn love what you do and be in it for the passion (and if you are, it's a fantastic experience).

>>714105821
I'd be working on something that would help others get to Mars....I'd say that's pretty fucking worth it.

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>>714098769


Data scientist and solutions architect here. (Double major in Comp E. and MIS) Currently do machine learning algorithms for real estate and other major shopping predictions.

I will say what >>714105014 said.
Definitely go for mathmatics first, depending on what area you go into you might need to learn about thermodynamics and statics. Once you learn the procedures of mathmatics and how certain equations/algorithms operate its stupid easy to code.

For an IDE when you're learning go bare minimum. If your learning java use something like JGRASP - its basically notepad with the attached java compiler. It completely sucks, But teaches you the bare metal fundamentals and makes sure you don't fuck things up.

Thats the one problem I see in the tech sphere now and days, tons of graduates know the math and stuff, but they rely too heavily on existing frameworks and libraries to do the heavy lifting for them - Which isn't bad, its just as efficient. Especially if you want to work at a place like spaceX where the difference between a rocket blowing up and landing itself could be down to a nanosecond in computation time.

>>714100640

>Doesnt know a fingerbox when he sees one.

>>714106073
not as efficient* - sorry about that, too much vodka

>>714105253
hey look someone with no fucking understanding of how hardware works at. Java is widely used. for things like monitoring systems, data transfer, archiving, database interactions, etc. That doesn't mean java controls the hardware that a headset plugs into.

fireware and software are two different things.

OP you will not get hired at spaceX without 5-10 years of experience at other places. Learn java or c# first. Master them. Then go to c or c++, then master them. That's your next decade if you're serious about spaceX. Once you've done that, then you will be qualified to work there.

People often overlook the biggest part of Dev, that is teamwork, you will do something specific, not everything. You do need wide enough knowledge to know the big picture though. SpaceX probably employees a few people that only know R, but that doesn't make it a good language for you to learn on the off change they happen to hire 1-2 more people for that

>>714104395
>If you check the SpaceX link I gave, it should have a list of requirements language wise.

Hmmm maybe you should be more precise about what you expect to be doing at a company like SpaceX.
The job you linked is very much oriented towards web.
It would me mostly providing web interfaces and tools to the different teams to do various day to day things (I guess something like giving them a way to run various kind of tests and receiving results, setting up forums/ticket systems for people to report issues, intranet, stuff like that).
So is this what you are looking for?

>>714098769
Doesn't matter which you learn first the important thing is that you never get bored of learning.

Start reading academic papers right now. Even if you don't understand what they say you'll still absord contextual information from them, and you'll learn about the thought process that professionals go through.

When you're not doing homework or you're on break or something, read blogs and discussions online of the topic you're interested in. Don't cheat yourself by only reading easy shit either like consumer tech news. I mean read genuinely complicated blogs written by professionals in the industry.

>>714106435
This is the downside.
I'm not too well versed in the different fields and jobs that can be performed.

I guess I'd like to design the software of a system and the hardware that it works with.

I guess the best way i can describe it, is the system in a module and the hardware it runs in.

Idiotic description, but I'm not too sure what else there is in this field.

computer engineer seems like the better fit for me.

>>714106785
So you're either looking at a dual degree in computer engineering and software engineering or a degree in embedded systems engineering.

Start with the dual degree, it's easy to switch out if it's too much work, most people do.

>>714106304
Okay yeah, basic programming, no question is required. But this shit is basic programming when COMPARED to making your own language and designing your own hardware. ALL too much work for once agency to worry about. As far as java is concerned; that's just something used here and there. Dude, there's no way a space agency uses java and c++. On their desk computers though? Yeah, definitely, no doubt.

But the unrealistic portion of OP's dream job? The computers assigned to actual spacecraft and design? Nu uh, that shit isn't something you could just buy and learn in a month from a box you bought at Best Buy, or something you read in a book. Seriously dude, they teach that shit to students pursuing associates degrees.

Lol you're telling OP to master a few languages that a people master all over the country before age 21.

>>714106304
>you will not get hired at spaceX without 5-10 years of experience at other places
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

>>714099875
Calculus isn't used until harder computer science classes but it is needed later on

>>714106933
what about computer engineering with a focus on software? Or is the second degree worth it?

I've seen it's not the best idea to be a jack of all trades.

>>714106950
then give your input

>>714098769
Fuck that's bad ass finger box.

>>714107104
what is needed first then

>>714099875
>html/css/js
>programming
take a 2week course on that shit and you're set. html/css is stupidly simple as is javascript.

this is an average job you could get at any other company as well. it has nothing to do with engineering and doing this shit at spacex doesn't make it any more special

>>714107163
Hardware + software isn't jack of all trades, they're two very highly related degrees. The more complicated the project, the more the two are completely intertwined anyway.

>>714107163
Start with both, it'd be very easy to switch software to a focus once you get a feel for the work load.

What is this thing are you supposed to fuck it or what.. O.o

>>714106785
Thing is, computer science is a very wide field.
And for big companies like SpaceX there a shitload of stuff that needs to be done in addition to programming the software that goes in spaceships/satelites/whatever.
So that why you need to have an idea of what you are looking for in you work (like what you want to have to handle).
If what you want is work on the software that will run on the hardware of the objects that are sent to space then look into embedded degree. Try to get a good education on embedded software and on how computer hardware works (electronics could be a good plus).
As for programming language, I think C would be your best friend for starters.

>>714107776
>using C as your first language
enjoy quitting programming

>>714098769
Hi OP, electronics student here, i was doing internship at our national centre of space research (small slav country) and I'd probably stay there if i wasn't so lazy. I'm not a great student according to my average but I mess with all kind of IT stuff at my free time and they really care more about this tha your notes.

Also, try to find an organisation at your uni that does something connected to space research. Be productive, if You wanna join such great firm as spaceX you gotta be better than 90% of your collegues.

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>>714107246
I did
>>714104584

OP needs to talk to people IRL about Computer Engineering. I'm not one to commonly divert one from one's path. But I can see no reason why someone with these certain qualifications and skills in computation and engineering wouldn't consult; sell their talents worldwide to other space agencies. Seriously, compute engineering seems risky. People have complained countless time about sitting at desks and.or just fixing shit like some electrician or mechanic.

If it's just a simple matter of seeing rockets and spacecraft launch into space, then sure, settle with that for starters perhaps. Then maybe the dream is realistic whether he believes it or not. But if you want a firsthand view at the space race across the globe, traveling all over and making bookoos amount of money then you know, whatever.

>>714107927
Well, that's what I did and I'm still here...
What else would you recommend for embedded stuff?

>>714108288
for actual work, definitely C.
to start learning programming, definitely not C.

yes you. you're probably not 14 and you probably spent your first years on the computer when nothing was shoved down your throat and you actually had to make an effort to learn how things are done.
you have an entirely different approach to the field than almost every newcomer in it, as you possibly know yourself.

don't get me wrong, C is integral for any work with microcontrollers and the like, but it's fucking difficult and very abstract if you've never programmed before and you want to apply for a html job

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>>714108136
These companies make or buy highly specialized hardware, equipment, and software. And these supplies are made by teams of engineers who understand how the economy works.

You have one company who designs space suit equipment, like helmets and suits. others make food - food scientists. Other companies make the hardware and the software. Where doyou think these space agencies get their fuel? Where do you think they find new materials?

Are you following me?

So when a problem comes along, or maintenance is required or something needs checking, then people with OP's skill set are called in.

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>>714108909
Where do you think these companies get their information? Astronomers, Physicists, Mathematicians.
Everything is team-based. Scary to think about business taking over, now isn't it?

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>>714098769
I've worked in the IT world for many years. There's one significant problem that continues to occur unabated. Here it is..

>>Non-technical people are making technical decisions.

Serious problems (blunders) occur when this happens. It's usually a manager or director making decisions that should include the technical team. However, in a top-down work environment the technical team is at the bottom and are discarded. Many people in management should not be there. They hide their lack of technical expertise by over-riding technical recommendations.

>>714098769
>I want to work for SpaceX.

Study hard, work hard, and move to where SpaceX is.

Do you know if they have a need for Comp-E majors?

>>714109246
layer8 and 9 are the worst breedig ground of stupidity

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>>714109183
I believe in two lifelong goals of space exploration:
Find out what's out there; and is life is sustainable there?

To find out, we need to work together - countries united. We need the best technology. We need things like Agricultural Science and Ecology. If we find a new planet or place out there and we come to help or set things up and we start fucking shit up like we do here, then what's the fucking point? There isn't going to be space exploration. If we get out there, and we still harbor ill-willed hate towards one another for things that happened in the past, then we humans wouldn't make it. We need science, not just Java and C++.....

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>>714109786
We need good men and women.

>>714109786
i wouldn't want to be on a rocket which is programmed in java anyway

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>>714098769
I leave you with this, OP.

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>>714110165
>>>/sci/ VS. >>>/g/

>>714107073

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. No one's first programming job is shit that can explode and cause war with Russia. It might be facebook, or apple, or some other trivial shit that doesn't matter when you fuck it, but it's not defense or rockets.

I spent several years at nasa before going into finance because it paid way more with way less stress. What exactly is your background in hiring, or working with developers, or defense even?

>>714110644
well nasa's rockets usually work. I'll bet they let interns do all the hard work at spaceX, that's why they keep blowing up.

>>714110644
I mean I know a girl in my data science grad program that literally signed a job offer from SpaceX the other day and she's 23.

I actually think you don't know what you're talking about. SpaceX hires a lot of employees that don't work directly on the rocket engines. She's doing some sort of signal processing, I haven't really discussed it with her in depth.

>>714111404
Wait Space Companies do other stuff besides "Rockets n Satellites and ****"
Who knew?!

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>>714098769

If you go into the space industry you'll have to sign a national security document that muzzles what you can say because there's something VERY classified, which they don't want the public to know. Can you guess what that is?

go into Engineering Physics. then focus on something to do with breakthrough propulsion, energy or communication systems.

it seems like its a rather new major; it takes from maths, physics and engineering. youll be working on xfiles type worthy stuff... maybe.

>>714111653
You can't imply the following:
>No one's first programming job is shit that can explode and cause war with Russia.
And then why I refute your implication counter with:
>Wait Space Companies do other stuff besides "Rockets n Satellites and ****"
>Who knew?!

That really is just not conducive to having any sort of productive conversation.

Computer science with aerospace. Get a job at nasa or a defense contractor like northrop grumman, lockheed, or raytheon working on nasa contracts.

Source: use to work for nasa and made changes to software used on spacex dragon mission.

>>714098769
>I want to work for SpaceX.

If NASA was hiring you you tell them to fuck off?

>>714114930

Agreed! However all space agencies are under a gag order. The real reason for global warming/climate change has not yet been presented to the public. The cause was first discovered and confirmed on Dec 30, 1983, It went public for one day then was immediately classified.

SpaceX is a meme company. Look into something actually interesting like bigelow or whatever.

>>714115615
>gets asked a question
>Agreed!

>>714115794
Nigga who the fuck wants to make cheap shitty tea with their life

>>714115840
Bigelow aerospace you moron.

SpaceX is just a rocket company and rockets are boring.

>>714116487
you think they drink bigelow tea there