I want to become a criminal. Partially for financial reasons, partially for fun / excitement.
What is your advice? Do I rob businesses? Break in after hours? I'd love to rob drug dealers or shit like that. A drug dealer was arrested in my city and $70K cash was found in his home. I'd love to find someone like that.
I was thinking of starting with robbing a convenience store. Lose my virginity with something relatively easy. Invest my earnings in supplies. I want one of those masks that are near a grand and look real. That way I can wear a mask without people realizing it.
Advice. You seem fucking retarded. Take it from a drug dealer. If he is carrying 70k, you are gunna end up the lick. Not him. If you wanna rob, rob street dealers, not fucking distribution men. They will shoot your ass without thinking and toss you in the furthest out of state body of water they can afford to ship your carcass to.
>>704508898 Yeah don't start out too big for one thing. You'll get caught. I wouldn't really rob big dealers but like >>704509172 said tweakers are free game, people who sell meth and crack would be easier targets
>>704509438 Kek this. OP you are going to get fucked. And if you rob a convenience store unless it's in buttfuck nowhere and is run down as shit you'll get caught probably within an hour. And if you find one you won't get shit from it anyway
>>704509465 Building off what the said there are plenty of Xanax/Klonopin fiends in my area. The white ones usually stock up and sell to their friends. Rob someone who is just starting to deal, not someone who is expecting to be robbed every couple years.
>>704509438 I'm fine with the possibility of dying. Why is it impossible to get one up on a guy with cash? Once the target is identified I figure I can wear my realistic mask and follow them as the walk up to their house. Pull out a gun. Get him to let me in. Hopefully there is no one else home. But if there is, hopefully I can kill them. Hopefully find the money, kill the bitch and gtfo. I definitely think this can fail, but definitely will? I don't see why.
Maybe you can setup a Rube Goldberg machine where a ball rolls down a tube to hit a line of dominos that triggers a fan to push a sailboat carrying a candle which burns a rope supporting a piano that falls on the cop cars as you make your getaway.
>>704509706 Why is that? Crack heads get away with this shit sometimes. If I plan it out I think I have a great shot. So long as I get from the store to my car clean, then get out of the area before cops arrive, I should have like a 95% chance of getting away with it.
I once asked my VERY VERY VERY lucky best friend this same question. He said it very plainly and simply. You think you're smart enough to not get caught, but are you as smart as the college educated specialist who is trained to catch people doing EXACTLY what it is that you are planning on doing?
>>704510150 I understand your criticism. But for me it's about fun, and setting up a trip wire, throwing down a glow stick to indicate the position, then jumping over it as I run through the alley to my car just feels so fucking sweet.
>>704510036 It isn't impossible. I'm just telling you as someone who moves lbs he has definitely been robbed before if he made it that far into the game. We are always prepared. If he had that much money when he was caught there are 32possibilities.
1- he was heavily armed and going to buy more drugs 2- he had just sold a metricfuckload of something and was headed home to hit the safe
Either way, good distributors don't bring more than they need anywhere for any reason because if they get robbed/arrested it is much easier to start over with a couple grand stored away then with piddly shit / seized assets.
>>704510630 I definitely am as smart as them. It's more about access to resources. But there are many unsolved crimes. Fact is there often isn't good evidence. You can be the smartest man on earth, if all you have is a blurry picture of a guy in a mask there's not much you can do.
>>704510036 Cause robbing a dealer who can't call the cops turns into a murder investigation, although leaving him alive could be a bad idea also. Depending on how much murders occur in your planned area, will dictate how much attention it will get. If he's in a gang, might not get much at all and snitches wouldn't know shit. Don't brag, it's about money not ego.
>>704511295 Funny, guy right above you thinks he'd just tell. I don't know which it would be. But if I got the guy tied up in his home with a gun in his face I would hope I could get the location. But getting to that point doesn't sound easy.
>>704510036 >go back to his house >open door >2 people look up at you holding their boss, both armed >OPs face when the realization that he is going to get shot and put his life for a half baked shitty plan
Would love to hear more advice. Like on robbing a drug dealer in his home, I'd think about setting up cameras to spy on them to see how many people live there, schedules, etc. Might be difficult to find places to put the cameras, but it's worth investigating.
>>704512266 Doesn't matfer if you want to die, once that realization hits you, you aren't going to be having a "rush". You are going to be in your own personal hell by being in a situation that you will would give anything to be out of.
>>704513635 You sound like someone who's never been in any sort of situation like this. Let me tell you, what you think while sitting on the computer and in the actual situation is different. In any life threatening situation you will br pleading with God for your life, and if you think any different I can't take you seriously
>>704514030 My first hit would be a convenience store with a mask I already have. It's just a black mask, not as good as a mask that can pass for a human face, but the first couple hits are just to get experience and get money to spend on supplies.
>>704514646 Yeah, and when it actually happens you're going to instantly regret it, and forget all the nights crying to /b/ about wanting to kill yourself and you'll want to live and go back to sitting on your computer. I reccomend you find something else to do. Take some drugs, itll get you started in the criminal community I guess.
what about cameras? cameras in the parking lot? cameras in the street? cameras in buildings near the place? how are you getting there? how are you going to leave? how do you get there and leave without being seen? what about police response time? what times are busy? what times are slow?
this isn't the fucking movies, kid there's so much involved and all it can go very wrong very quickly, and very easily when youre in the middle of the shit hopped up on adrenaline
you're probably going to fuck up and go to prison if you aren't some nigger robbing a pajeet in the middle of detroit, in all honesty
>>704514958 I've thought about cameras. There's a convenience store I picked out. Cameras in the store and possibly at some intersections on the way to / from. But with a mask and the right clothes the cameras in the store are next to useless. I can drive there and back without getting on camera. Not sure what response time is, but the plan is to use zip tie handcuffs to cuff the clerk to something. If no one else is around I get away long before cops are called. And if they are called unless I'm unlucky they wouldn't be there in time.
Part of why I made this thread is to get advice. I'm not claiming to have everything thought out perfectly. I'm here to find out what to do.
What's up with your obsession with the mask dude? If you really want to alter your appeareance it should be to commit violent crimes. With some fake contacts, hair dye, extensions, and putty you can completely hide your identity. The need to conceal alter your face is only necessary for prolonged social engineering / white collar crime.
You want to do violent crimes, nobody better see you, coming or going, and if they do you better kill them.
Don't start out with petty bullshit. You wanna bank, you start out by finding some crackie and get his hook up. Buy a couple rocks and get comfortable with your dealer. Make sure you come off as pathetic and easily manipulated. After a few meets ask him for enough to supply a few of your friends and make some cash... Once you have him in your confidence you stalk that motherfucker. Be careful and ready to take him out if he catches you. Find his stash house and get the schedule they have down pat.
Once you know exactly how the house runs, either it's locked down and you can take the house or cut your losses and rob him at point.
You wanna rob a convience store for thrills, just go steal and fucking crotch rocket and high speed chase it.
>>704513030 I stopped dealing a year ago. Crime really isn't something you can just jump in to. You have to know people, you have to know things about the life, and you have to be vigilante all the time. Everybody's a snitch in that world. Everybody!
You shouldn't put yourself in a position to be chased. Don't wear a mask that is going to impede your vision and hearing. Senses are everything in a hostile environment.
This isn't a movie and nothing goes according to plan. What can go wrong, will go wrong at the worst possible moment.
Don't go balls to the wall until you know what you're doing. Don't be out at suspicious times. Evening traffic is when I found to be the best time for rule breaking. Don't speed, use your blinkers, wear respectable clothing, and drive a respectable looking vehicle.
Idk what you're gonna end up doing, but this is a good basis for anything really.
>>704516610 I live close to businesses. But my building has cameras at every entrance so that's a down side to that. But you can't assume there are cameras everywhere otherwise you're on camera from the point you did the crime to now.
>>704517833 And I haven't really had any fights. When I was 12 though this kid spit on me and I beat the shit out of him. Knocked him to the ground and kicked him in the ribs multiple times. He needed a cast for his wrist after, not sure if I broke it or what.
What me and some friends use to do is rob people who hit jackpots the casino. (Middle of the night). one guy inside waiting for someone to hit a jackpot, do a walk-by and make sure it's at least a couple of thousand dollars. Guy inside texts description of the winner to friends outside waiting in the car. Wait for the winner to come out, follow them, when the moment feels right, block them with the car, go the driver side with a gun and demand the money. Most people always give it up. Only had one guy resist and try to force is car out of our block.
>>704518433 Dude, a few months ago a guy went into a business with no fucking mask just sunglasses. His picture was in the news, but it was low quality. They never caught him. Don't try to pretend like these crime scene guys are that great. There's usually no dna and shit all they can do other than distribute a shit photo and hope someone identifies the guy.
>>704519181 I am serious. If it's at the point that they suspect me and get a warrant for my DNA I've already failed. I'm 26. I don't get into fights. But I'm smart and don't give a fuck anout breaking the rules. I'm here doing research. Sure some of my ideas are fucked. They are ideas. I'm bouncing them off you guys before trying them. It doesn't matter how dumb they are, if they're dumb I just don't do them.
>>704521391 Then guess what. being a criminal who makes money can't realistically 'focus' on one single career. You will lose focus, and make mistakes. And the motto "don't get caught" with most criminals will say, is thrown out the window when you don't commit.
Only way to make money on the side is to basically buy stolen goods or cheap drugs and resell them for a bit more.
>>704521642 Selling meth sounds worse to me. Unless you're dealing in big quantities you need to sell to many people always risking arrest. I'd rather take bigger risks fewer times. Plus I'd need to acquire contacts.
>>704521687 if you want real advice and some well learnt trick to keep you self on the nose. iv been in the big league for 13 years. i have no criminal charges and have never been accused buy the law to be a dealer.
Curious whether I need to be concerned with this being traced to me. If they recognize it as a mask and get the company to tell them who in the city bought such a mask. But with a hood and sunglasses and shitty cams I don't expect this to be an issue
>>704508898 Jaywalk. Spit on sidewalks. Drive above the speed limit. Drive without a seatbelt. Steal individual grapes in the store. Graffiti a wall with chalk. There ya go, do all these, and you're a hardened criminal.
>>704521950 like anything if done right you can make alot of money with in as little as 3 months. i just hooked up a morther of 3 and she has been going steady for 3 months and has moved 52 ozes. she hase $150.000 put away already
op I've got 122 felony convictions for burglary, theft, and armed robbery. I got sentenced to 14 years in 2006. Just got out in may.I'm on parole until 2020. The only reason I got caught is because somebody I did a few jobs with got caught and wrote an 80 page statement against me. Its not worth it dude. I had quit about a month before I got arrested, I had bleeding stomach ulcers from the stress. I was paranoid all the time. Its no way to live man and it wasnt worth all of my 20's. Just go to school or something
>>704523601 anyone can try. Jail is full of people who've tried.
here are the criminal(ish) things i'd first recommend first before you ever try using a firearm in the commission of a crime:
shoplifting. get a pair of wire cutters and go to your local target or Walmart. grab a medium sized tv, or small appliance and get it to an isle near the door. snip the spyder alarm off it and walk out the door. carry a receipt in hand. walk fast to your car, which you've parked a few blocks away. profit.
shoplifting is the safest and most profitable solo crime.
then of course there's always scams but you gotta have the right kind of personality for that.
>>704515595 I guarantee you are wrong. More often than not businesses invest in some kind of security camera (if not for loss prevention than for insurance breaks) but you're just too stupid to find them.
Assuming the clerk doesn't have a fucking .45 behind the counter (he does), he has a silent alarm he can trigger without you knowing. He won't let you cuff him without a struggle. Given that you are asking /b/ for advise on how to commit crimes it's a fair assumption that you're a softbody bitch who would lose a fight.
Irregardless of all that, any cashup operation has drops at least once a day, if not multiple times a day. Most places don't keep more than a couple hundred dollars in the register and maybe a couple hundred more in a loan drawer. Assuming the cash from the previous business day hasn't been taken offsite (which it would be) then you're still looking at like a grand.
All told you would probably make less than 1500. However, the cost of taking your assault, robbery, and weapons charges would cost considerably more than that.
It's a lot easier to make money legitimately than to commit crimes. There's a reason only stupid niggers and greasy junkies do it.
>>704521950 okay ill put it simply. you come to me i set you up with a cash loan from a real company for $3800.00 no matter credit rating because its not going off your past they send email of loan approved we go to my boys and you get your first oz and you dont have to worrie about giving them money cause the account the loan company sends it to is theirs. i hook you up with 3 noms and they will be your sale reps. this is all done with in 6 hr. and you start making money straight after that. lets say you sell all at the min you will have $8000.00 in hand. this will not take you very long at all at most 2 days. in just 2 day you have made over doulbe the oz price. you put $7600 in for reload that 2 oz so 16 balls. you have $400 spending cash or saving normaly but half away. so say it take you 4 days to sell and reload you will have total of 8.800 cash in hand. never buy more then 2 b at a time cause if u have to dumb it becomes to coastly. now lyou have 8.800 then every 4 days you make anothe 8.400+8.800 = $17.200 +4days =25.600 so on so on
I know of a liquor that sells drugs and what not or a bodega as they're called in New York but I'm in Southern California it's in a gang infested neighborhood and there's always cops there so it's a pretty dumb target people always drinking outside too
>>704525728 Life is boring. I don't like waking up in the morning. Life just doesn't seem worth it. It would take a long time to explain why I want to die. I hate my mother. She was a real bitch growing up. I want adrenaline. I used to do a lot of dangerous stuff for adrenaline. But it's not enough. Life is so long. Like fuck. I don't want to live forever. I want to feel like James Bond for a bit then die.
>>704525717 It's not about if it's a convenience store or not. It operates the same as any retail shop. They all have basically the same procedures. Bigger stores have more money, but you aren't able to control anyone. Banks are out of the question because this isn't a fucking Michael Bay movie.
Stop being a nigger and get a real job. If you're hellbent on making money doing illegal shit then sucking dick is your only option.
>>704525792 Actually, it's just not as hard as you think. People use makeshift weapons in prison on each other, too, all the time, why wouldn't you be able to apply one to yourself? Or nab some choice cleaning chemicals to chug when you get a chance. As a last resort, you can always just pick a time where you expect no one's going to be checking up on you for a bit, bite your own tongue off, and bleed out.
If you can't even come up with ways to an hero in a pinch, you probably don't have the right kind of mind to be planning out a successful life of solo dirty work-tier crime.
>>704526202 I have a real job and make good money. It's more about wanting a more exciting life and getting easy money. I have a mortgage and a sports car and spending money. But I want to feel my heart racing. I want to see a pile of cash that I didn't earn. I want to walk around in my daily life knowing it's all a cover for my life of crime.
Believe me, you will get caught or killed. I spent 14 years in the federal pen for basically starting out doing what you are wanting to do then running drugs up the west coast. I had over a million berried in my yard when the feds showed up at my door and they had been watching my every move for 6 month and new exactly where all my cash was. If I ever ran across a little shit like you, you would be dead and if you killed me the rest of the club would find you and make you eat your dick.
>>704526546 lmao, getting 7.60 a gram for shrooms? you must not be growing that many or have limited space. We grew 100s of dried lbs and wholesales for like 4 bucks a gram.. still pretty high far as im concerned
That is your reasoning? Seriously? How do you not see that you are failing in some way? Get the fuck over your problems. You seem like a real shit stain. Go lift. Join a private military contract. Get your short bond-like life. Why are you settling for less than what you know youre worth? Fuck you for not trying
>>704508898 Find events were young low payed workers are handling large amounts of cash like fairs, carshows, ect, basically anything with ticket booths that is in a small town. Either wait util its pretty slow or until they have someone come to do a drop. make sure that your get away route is in opposite direction of the mass of people. flash a gun tell them to give you the money. Have someone in a car near enough but not in view of person. They are young (stupid) and payed next to nothing so 9/10 times if you tell them not to fucking move or make a scene they wont. Until you leave at least, but by then youl be gone leaving basically no evidence. That or knock over the main offce at the end of the day, but thats higher risk.
This taking place in a smaller town is important because they wont use cameras, excessive security, or accept cards so it will be all cash. It will only be a few thousand, but the risk is very low.
>>704526862 I'm not failing in any way. Life just isn't very appealing to me. I don't really see what makes you people so attached to it. Like sometimes shit is fun. But every god damn day I need to wake up. I'd love to spend a few months just sleeping.
>>704519181 >they need one fucking cell Now you both sound cringey as fuck. You people realize that forensics are weak as shit in court and they very very very rarely use that shit because it's expensive, time consuming, and a flawed science.. right?
>>704526465 they have done studys in W.a were they test the sewer water and have averaged 2.5 ton of meth use here that puts the average at 65% population are users. with such high coustmer number they fine you as well.
As a security guard I can agree. If you can figure out my patrol times (even though I do them as random as possible) and camera locations, layout of the building, doors, and route to the nearest highway, you're good. I'm armed, and I'll put up a fight if I see you before you see me, but I don't get paid nearly enough to throw my life away and die for a company. Catch a guard by surprise and he'll throw his hands up 99% of the time. And generally won't care to move until you're long gone. But where I'm at, unless you've got a team and a semi, you're not making much, unless you think you can carry a couple hundred pounds of scrap copper, aluminum and other metals on you.
>>704528658 im calm lol just the way i talk. and dont call the gangs plz gangs are for niggers a wannabes we are a clube.i dont sell drug okay the person funding the product only has to pick up product and cash then gives it to the noms and they do the foot work. "well that what facebooks told me"
Regardless of how much I produce, it's always been 7500/kg between us, no more/less in either case. And frankly, i'm fine going home with 7500 a few times per year. That's yearly property tax set aside, and bills covered for a few months, per trip.
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