The marines have flamethrowers and fuel to last 900 octillion years, after that its handguns and boots. The fight takes place on an infinite flat field, obviously not in this universe so no black holes and shit. The marines start in 1 group and the ants come from all directions (by foot) untill 1 team is 100% dead. No death by hunger, dehydration, old age or disease but the marines still need sleep. No reproduction either.
>>704477220 The quantity of ants is simply too great. They can attack in huge waves that tower vertically into the sky. Once a wave of ants reaches directly above the marines, ants would get hit by flames, but then their burning bodies would fall on the marines and burn them to death. The dense masses of ants would act as napalm.
>>704479978 Imagine if you had to write out Graham's number. You can't, if you wrote out each digit at the size of a planck volume (the smallest measure we have) there wouldn't be enough room in the observable universe
Marines easy since they are small ants also theflamethrower could be aimed at the ground and any ants near it would die from the heat, the flamethrower would also heat up the ground so ants wouldn't want to be near it. Animals have a natural aversion to fire so they wouldn't be attacking the marines
Half of the marines jog in a circle singing marching songs while the other half rests inside. Switch every few hours. Stomp all the ants to death without losing a single marine and you still have 900 octillion years worth of flamethrower fuel to cook some japs.
>>704480690 they only live to kill the marines, but even if they didnt know they were supposed to attack, the fight would become even more difficult for the marines, they would have to go find every single and on the infinite field before the fight would end and i wouldnt be able to go for that long before i killed myself.
i gather that Graham's number is larger than the number of atoms in the known universe. Being as though an ant takes more than one atom to exist, and therefore can't exist in such an amount, I'm going with the marines.
although we are talking Americans, so they'd probably friendly ffire themselves to death.
The fight would probably go on for longer than the lifetime of the universe. The space that the Marines and the ants would take up would be the size of thousands of universes. The ants at the back of the group would be like billions of light years away from the Marines.
>>704484611 They are ants. Ants from different colonies attack eachother for territory. No single colony ever can supply a ghrams number worth of ants so they must be drawn from multiple colonies. Thus they will attack eachother and the marines will win. duh
>>704477220 > No reproduction. > After one minute, ants realize their queen isn't putting out. > Kill the queen. > Try to make new queen by feeding an egg appropriately. > But there are no eggs. > Queen scent fades. > Nest disperses. > Ant free for all. > Every any for themselves. > All ants die within two hours. Marines win.
even if it was 1 marine vs 1 googolplex ants, if the marine spun in circles with his flamethrower, it would prove a barrier against the ants. this, and also if the ants were piling up like people are saying, they would suffocate each other and die at an exponential rate. but if they dont pile, they die by not getting close enough
if the ants start in a disk around the marines, and walk towards the marines then one thing will happen. The ants from further out will run into eachother as the concentric circles become smaller and smaller. As a circle slice of ants that is 10 universes wide becomes a circle one universe wide the ants will pile up by a rate of the delta r^2. Eventually the ants will be miles high and only suffocate due to the weight of the ants on top of them.
SO after the initial wave (which the marines win handidly) the ants kill themselves merely by walking towards the marines. The marines can then relax and have maybe a small contingent to stomp any that make it alive.
>>704477220 If the ants are aware that they need to take down marines and can use same strats as for catching and killing other insects i think they win. The fatique of the marines due to needing sleep will just leave gaps and they become overrun at some point.
>>704477220 That's extremely easy to answer, if you know the basic idea behind the scale of both of those numbers. The ants would win, hands down.
>A googolplex is in absurdly large number >Grahams's number is absurdly larger than that
Graham's number would be a googolplex X googolplex X googolplex Xgoogolplex Xgoogolplex Xgoogolplex etc...
Even if you stopped at googolplex X2, that would mean each soldier had to fight 1 googolplex of ants on their own. This would be impossible, let alone if it were a googolplex to the power of googolplex ad (nearly) infinitum.
There's no way. Ants win. Anyone who says otherwise don't know what these numbers mean.
>>704486858 "changing the rules" thats what ants do. thats what ants are. If you specified "genetically modified killer ants with super intelligence" then you can have this one. But the OP specified "ants" regular old garden ants. And they would panic and frenzy and kill eachother 10 times out of 10.
There are not atoms in the universe to even begin to actually calculate Graham's number.
Graham number looks at infinity. And infinity cries.
Graham number is better than your cereal. The amount of cereal in all the boxes that could be contained in the universe would not even begin to comprise an atom of the graham number, if the Graham number were physical.
It is so big that your mama gets close to equal it when weighing her fat ass.
It is such a big number that nerds get a boner everytime they even try to think of a penis that grossly big bursting them from within.
If the number itself would comprise all the universe itself, I don't know in what fucking dimension the marines or even the ants themselves would be. A millionth plane of reality, in which OP is not a fag.
>>704487262 the ants aren't omnipresent. they still need to approach the marines and kill them somehow. One marine with infinite flamethrower fuel can easily kill a lot of ants.
The only question is whether or not the rate of killing of the ants can will exceed or not the rate at which the ants approach. as i proved in this post >>704487199 the ants can only approach as a discreet rate without killing themselves. Any discreet rate is easily overcome by the marines killing power.
furthermore the ants do not know not to temper their approach, and will pile up and die, as ants are very fucking stupid and are only called to "come from all directions" to the marines.
tl;dr ants do not approach faster than the marines can kill, if they do they die, if they do not the marines killl them.
If they come from all directions, and the Marines are of the US variety, then the ones in the middle of the circle of USMC are going to start firing like Jonny Fuckin' Rambo. Just like the ones on the outside of the pack mainly due to incurable MURRICA FUCK YEAH Syndrome.
The ants probably won't even need to get within range of the enemy flame throwers before the last marine holds up ol' betsy and sings that rousing song that used to be an Irish drinking ditty whilst shitting his pants.
>>704488338 You're leaving out the fact that if the ants died around the marines they would eventually climb over eachother, creating a mountain around them that is a near infinite amount of googolplexes tall. Either they would eventually smother the marines by walking toward them from above, or the mountains of dead ants would collapse on top of them, and still smother them. Either way, the marines can't win.
>>704488516 matter and black hole were covered in the OP post, l2readingcomprehension >Or you could ask who the hell is flying that infinite large plane in the first place. it's a hypothetical thought experiemnt, you and I are both flying the infinite plane IN OUR MINDS
also fire ants are a specific type of ants and would need to be specified for that to be a valid assumption. as not specified generic 'ants' are the ants worked with.
>>704488389 Well, idiot, if you say the ants "must come from different colonies since there aren't enough of them to make such a number" then you have to concede that there aren't nearly enough marines to form a fucking googolplex either.
So either they both have different groups coming together, or we could assume that they are all United States Marines, and ants from the same colony. Take your pick.
>>704489014 very good point the marines could keep on the move however, walking and killing each day to prevent this. sleep for 12 hours, then the second shift walks for 12 hours ect. possibly walk in a circle to make a mountain and then camp on top of the mountain, all the ants would die on the slopes giving the marines a respite
>>704489395 The marines would still run out of fuel for the flame throwers before they had even killed an expressible fraction of the total ants. 900 octillion years of fuel is nothing when talking about graham's number of ants. Handguns and boots are going to worthless.
>>704489354 well i supposed a large number of hypothetical ant colonies to take the ants from. The only logical parallel would be a number of United States to take the marines from. As the unites states has clear rules of what is expected from a marine, and each ant colony has a distinct pheromone marker, i do not think this is a problem at all. The ants from each colony are different, and the united states marines are all the same. easy.
>>704489395 True, but the fact that the marines need sleep, must mean they can get tired. If the ant's end up suffocating each other there would still be mountains of near infinite height all around them that they would have to climb. Marines are in good shape, but they have nowhere near the stamina of ants. They would get tired way before they do.
>>704489523 Many of whom would be religious fanatics and psychopaths. In a googolplex of humans from different backgrounds, they could never truly organize, and some of which would probably welcome the end times and expect jesus or muhammad to come save them.
>>704481247 Wait.... Hold on... Just for a demonstration A googleplex= a number with one hundred place values EXAMPLE: 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Graham's number= imagine infinity but an actual number instead of a concept >tl;dr you're dumb
>>704489960 i kinda imagine it like a wave front that would move farther out as denser rings of ants reach inward. ants would start to die in a position relative to their starting position, not relative to their closeness to the marines. the infinite mountains of ants would be taller farther from the marines.
I guess this quesiton depends on what the consistancy of dead and crushed ants becomes. If they clump into dirt, or more like sand. it's basically protein and water. so it would be a thick soup, which would not bode well for the marines. they would literally get washed away on an infinite plane!
>>704490839 but OP specified united states marines, the marines HAVE TO be unites states marines.
if he had said clones of ants then this would be a non issue. the issue is a specified quantity versus a generic quantity. Op needs to clarify that; we cannot assume information not given to us and still maintain meaningfullness of the answer.
>>704477220 "Graham's number" = "an unimaginably large number"
googleplex = 1 with 100 zeroes behind it
Fun fact: there are only 7,125,000,000 people in the world,
while a googleplex is -huge-, an "unimaginably large" number is going to be vastly larger, but ants are as small as a grain of sand it's manageable.
the googleplex of soldiers do not even need flamethrowers for a fraction of that amount of time due to your rules. you state the ants attack from all directions until one group is dead, aka unrelenting.
All the soldiers need is organization and planning. Create a center of operation and build a circular perimeter of active flame thrower wielding soldiers shoulder to shoulder, enough so that if they all fire at once an entire ring of flame comes out from the circles perimeter. perhaps a few rows of soldiers standing at ready to rotate out as reloads/malfunctions occur etc
create shifts so everyone works evenly and no one gets...burned out (lul!)
the ants will be coming non stop, the first waves will require major focus as they swarm in but the flames will literally instantly kill them where they stand upon contact, leaving nothing but a charged body in its place.
New ants will continue pushing the assault, climbing over this corpse. These ants too will feel the wrath of flame and insta-fry
eventually, you will have a very large mount of dead, roasting ants, multiple feet tall. this will effectively create a defensive wall of living embers the ants have to crawl over to attack - which they are constnatly doing as you stated they will not stop - and the moment they climb ontop, they pop.
this burning will be everlasting, because new fuel (ant bodies) will continuously feed the flames. There would be no way in for the ants to attack.
It would probably only take a few hours to develop enough ant charcoal to be self sustained and the flame throwers could then be stored and never used again.
>>704494903 furthermore, there wouldnt be a good chance of "the mountain of fire gets so big it kills those inside", because the nature of uncontroled flame means it will grow bigger and bigger, until it reaches maximum capacity allowed by its fuel, at which point it will begin to die - unless ur in a situation like this that has a steady fuel source at all times
an example are various natural gas eruptions around the world that have caught fire - they continue to burn until the gas has completely run out, they never grow bigger because theyve reached max size.
eventuallyt he flames here will reach their max potential based on the speed new fuel is added, as we reach that point all that needs to be done is the ant-coal defensive wall needs to be managed and shaped, soldiers can use their empty flamethrowers (metal, so as to not be destroyed and be stuck without required tools) to push and shovel the charcoal around, expanding their territory until they have enough room to create thriving cities and pouplations
it'd be like attack on titans, but with a fire wall and ants, and the defense would naturally grow and shrink to be big enough to control the ongoing attack at all times
>implying absolute destruction is necessary eventually because of superior intelligect the Marines would discover that they only have to limit the numbers enough. also, how would the resources for this stupid fucking plane to even come about?
>>704495938 You idiots don't realize that ants can dig, and they could just as well tunnel through the charcoal remains of their comrades, as well as climb from above. Not to mention, that if anyone fucks up, and a chink forms on the armor, the marines will have to suffer ant bites for eternity, and die of it since this will create further chinks in the armor due to discomfort of the flame thrower operators.
>>704497198 the terms and conditions OP applies specifically state they would do a head on unrelenting assault. there will be no sneak tactics from the ants. they wont burrow underground.
in the event that there is a breach in the fire wall, they will have their flamethrowers in reserve and ready to re-build as necessary. thats the beauty of the ant-charcoal wall, it allows the flamethrwoers to not be in use and thus can be used for backup measures.
any decent planning would make the outer charcoal wall large enough to have ample space, and a second teir of defense of flamethrower soldiers standing guard ready to cover any breaches in the odd chance it occurs.
this is one of the better threads /b/ has had in a long while. i've nearly quit coming here alltogether because nowadays its just filled with trap, cuck, rate my dick, show ur ex, what would you do to me threads
>>704498801 sorry new friend but this thread shows up at least three times a week. OP may only post once a month. The board is full of autists who think they like OP only post this once a month. Since none of these fucks know the other potatoes it is posted constantly. I do agree on the trap, cucks,bbc threads. Hell I was missing Kat and the Christfag earlier today
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