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ITT: The Elder Scrolls Which game is the best installment of

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ITT: The Elder Scrolls

Which game is the best installment of the series, and why is it Morrowind?

>no quest markers
>limited fast travel
>game isn't a pushover - you're fucked if you don't create a good character
>more melee weapons
>more ranged weapons
>spellmaking
>daedric artifacts are more powerful
>greater sense of adventure and exploration
>tons of factions that require more than completing a dull questline to gain ranks
>performing tasks is based on skill and chance, not by completing stupid minigames
>being able to fail creating potions & enchanting weapons - more realistic this way
>acrobatics
>athletics
>mysticism
>no load times
>numerous and detailed dialogue options from most NPCs
>anyone can be killed
>quests can be ignored/denied
>enemies are not usually leveled
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Love morrowind.
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>>699676750
/Thread

So many months of my life sunk into that masterwork
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morrowind was too much for me, the combat wasn't fun and it took too long to do stuff. it was tedious. i liked exploring and stuff but it was overwhelming to me. maybe if i was older when it came out i would have liked it more
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>>699676750
Agreed, best game of TES. Near perfect.
>inb4 samefag
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>>699676750
morrowind is the fucking greatest Elder Scrolls game. It's not even fucking close.
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>>699677120
were you a kid? That would explain it being overwhelming. I played Skyrim in 2012, Oblivion in 2014, Skyrim again this summer and just bought morrowind two weeks ago.

The combat definitely isn't as fluid as it is in oblivion or skyrim, but I like how RPG-ey it is. It's frustrating not being able to hit anything starting, but understandable since you aren't skilled with the weapon. Also the variety of melee attacks is cool. Combat is secondary in morrowind and isn't nearly as important and doesn't happen near as often as it does in oblivion or skyrim
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>>699676750

You got the thread name wrong.

It should be:

"What is the best immersive RPG ever made, and why is it Morrowind?"
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>>699678386
best that I've played, but I've only ever played TES and KOTOR so I don't know if I can have that opinion
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>>699677917
i guess i played it when i was 13 but i don't remember
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>>699676750
>also medium armor


Gotta love being able to create a fireball spell large enough to engulf all of Balmora.
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>>699676750
This is something i can agree with.

But what do you think a close second could be for the series? Im stuck between Oblivian and skyrim.
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>>699677917
I suspect most of the morrowind fanboys have more than a healthy dose of nostalgia. Its graphics are shit, its interface is shit, it crashes at the drop of a hat, and its interminable dialog trees aren't all that and a bag of chips. Some of the pure writing is nice, I'll grant.
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>>699680384

But it tells by far the best story, has the most immersive world, and the lack of objective markers place you in a much more realistic kind of game, where you are just left to try and find locations on your own without the game holding your hand.

Also, Daedric weapons looked awesome back then.
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>>699680126
I hate the way leveling works in oblivion. I think it's stupid being forced to play the game in a rigid way to keep my experience in the right places is boring and limits experimentation. Also the personality skill I think it was called was retarded and useless, was like a trap for experience more than anything else.
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>>699680384
I bought it two weeks ago. No nostalgia at all.

Graphics are shit by today's standards. The gameplay makes up for it

It's crashed twice in 60 hours of playing time for me. One was random and the other was after using a scroll of icarian flight which probably made the game flip shit
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>>699680126
I had more fun playing oblivion. It felt more immersive to me
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>>699681034

12yo detected
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>>699676750
>no quest markers
You can turn them off in the other games.
>limited fast travel
Nobody is forcing you to use fast travel. You're literally getting triggered because people aren't being forced to play a walking simulator.
>game isn't a pushover - you're fucked if you don't create a good character
MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS
>more melee weapons
Maybe with barest vanilla Skyrim, but Dragonborn pushes it way over the top
>more ranged weapons
???
>spellmaking
This is your first legitimately good point.
>daedric artifacts are more powerful
You clearly haven't acquired them all for the other games
>greater sense of adventure and exploration
Objectively false, especially compared to Skyrim. Morrowind's atmosphere just doesn't hold up well
>tons of factions that require more than completing a dull questline to gain ranks
This is your second legitimate point.
>performing tasks is based on skill and chance, not by completing stupid minigames
So dialog choices "by chance" is bad in Fallout 4, but great in Morrowind?
Fucking Retard.
>being able to fail creating potions & enchanting weapons - more realistic this way
It literally isn't though
>acrobatics
Shit
>athletics
Worse system than in Skyrim
>mysticism
I would say its about equal to Skyrim's
>no load times
You can't have an opinion on this if you're using a toaster. I get 5-10 second load times in Skyrim
>numerous and detailed dialogue options from most NPCs
Every NPC LITERALLY has the exact same dialog prompts. Every NPC in Skyrim has unique dialog.
>anyone can be killed
Skyrim's "NPCs always active" system prevents this. Enjoy getting an essential NPC killed and being unable to continue the quest :^)
>quests can be ignored/denied
They can also be in Skyrim
>enemies are not usually leveled
What's wrong with leveled enemies? You like being a superoverpowered moron past level 20?

Don't get me wrong, I love both games tho
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>>699683404
>autism
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

NO
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>>699676750
>not daggerfall
fucking casuals
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>>699683672
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>>699683672
Woah you just debunked his whole argument in one words :0
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>>699683915
>>699683975
>more autism
>side of reddit
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The thing about Morrowind's combat is that it is almost perfect for the type of game it is. It's an RPG game, true and true. Not an action RPG game like Skyrim. As such, most people who bitch about it are just idiots who don't understand this.

The beauty in Morrowind's combat is that it perfectly summarizes your characters growth. There's nothing more satisfying than entering a dungeon, having your ass raped up and down sideways, and then leaving, training, then coming back to the dungeon and destroying everything inside of it.

In Morrowind you are presented the opportunity to go from a nobody faggot nigger who can't fight a rat to fighting a fucking god at the end. It's awesome. You become a badass. Unlike in Skyrim where you start as a badass.

This is also one of the reasons why Skyrim is so boring and static.

I could go on and on about this too but I'll save everyone time and just end the post right now.
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>>699684026
You got me le Reddit army is here to TROLL all you fricking idiots who can't formulate an argument in a video game thread XD.
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>>699683404
you can't find shit if you turn quest markers off because you don't have a journal

adventuring, not walking

missing is part of sucking at the skill

?

throwing stars and crossbows

the only useful daedric artifacts in skyrim are azura's star and the skeleton key. everything else, especially the weapons, blows

no adventure bc fast travel and not using journal directions to find locations

never said anything about fallout 4

you can fuck up at doing anything dude

how can you not like acrobatics

or athletics?

skyrim has no mysticism dipshit

no load times > load times. skyrim has a shit ton more load times too

unique dialogue in skyrim but usually not helpful

if you kill an essential npc you are notified and can reload the save

talking to some people in skyrim will auto-start a quest. you can always say no and not have it take up space in your journal's quest section in morrowind

absolutely. it feels like you've actually made progress that way. also difficulty slider
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>>699684502
You realize that 4chan is about calling you a retard with impunity and not about argumentation as if we were on reddit or in high school debate club, right kid? I don't need to form an argument for the fact that you're autistic to become apparent. All I have to do is to get you to reply like the butthurt socially broken adolescent you are.
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Oblivion
Fucking with the athletics and acrobatics along with crazy stupis spells to become a super hero. Behold my sword that makes giant flashes of light for no reason. Tremble at a giant ass fireball that does practically no damage. Live on top of buildings causebyou can totally jump up there. Clear an oblivion gate? Fuck that! let those unholy rape monsters spawn andstealbthe souls from their flesh. Look at this ring that sets me on fire and these shoes that electrocute me, lol this hood has a built in air conditioner. Ow too cold. FUCKIN WEAKNESS TO MAGIC RUUUUUULZE
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>>699684408
>percentage hit chances based on some arbitrary "skill" statistic makes it more of an RPG

>RPG: a game in which players take on the roles of imaginary characters who engage in adventures, typically in a particular computerized fantasy setting overseen by a referee.
Morrowind is literally for the autistic kids who played too much magic the gathering
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>>699684922
Ooo you got me there mr. ebin meme man buzzword magician :^)
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>>699676750
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>>699684408
this
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>>699684922
Morrowind and oblivion are for fallout 1, 2, and new vegasers. Skyrim is for fallout 3 and 4'rs
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>>699684922
makes it more like classic board game RPGs where everything is determined by dice rolls
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>>699683816
Millenials, everyone.
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>>699683816
so i'm gonna try and help some people out w their morrowind experience....
yes, swinging and missing is GAY so....
Level using the master trainers before actually playing the game

step one
steal the items in the vivec house vaults, use the key in the redoran upper canton to unlock the redoran vault then make a level 100 lock opening enchant item with the soulgem in the balmora mages guild (steal by stealing a 2- gold pot next to the wood elf mage and pulling her downstairs when she chases you, reenter from the side stairs and sneak steal the tray, outside drop your inventory quick, find a guard and pay off the 2 gold bounty)

sell to creeper (or mudcrab if you can find him)
go to master trainers and power level

profit! plus because you'll be like level 25+ all the enemies will be top tier!

I love morrowind, if you need help with any walkthroughs ill be up for awhile and yall can AMA

honestly though, skyrim and oblivion were better rendered environments, the graphic experience was better even if morrowind had the better story and creative world
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>>699684922
You realize there are subgenres, right?
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>>699676750
my only problem with that is, i have never been able to create a viable ranged character, just due to the level 1-2 miss everything
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>>699676750

Whoa man I thought I was the only one.

It wasn't just all that but,

For fucksake the 36 LESSONS OF VIVEC with subliminal messages hidden inside (not just a world but one with a lot of readable religious epics)

with living gods you can see,

Fucking elves are low voiced badasses

Z EVERYONE HATES YOU no holding your hand (makes success so much more rewarding) omg need to play again
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>>699685556
No matter how you look at it, it sucks.
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>niggers don't know about Dungeon Master & Chaos Strikes Back
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>>699684922
Percentage based combat and mtg. Oh okay I get it you're a moron.
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>>699683827
>arena. The game has the entire tamriel omg such details. Every region is different
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One of the greatest games ever
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>>699685691
the in game books in morrowind were leagues better than any other in the series
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>>699685753
>hurr im retarded and dont know how to play the game so its the game that is at fault
You are what is wrong with todays games.
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>>699685753
your short blade skill is probably shit. if you want to hit people with a short blade you should've chosen it as a major skill
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>>699685753
Using the wrong weapon for the character. Sorry I know you need everything handed to you on a plate when you game.
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>>699676750
>anyone can be killed
>enemies are not usually leveled

One time

>create one of my first few characters
>read online about umbra sword http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Umbra_Sword_(Morrowind)

>guy that owns it wants to die in a fight
>im like lvl 5 at best
>try all sorts of things like necromancy and various magic attacks
>die repeatedly
>like 20 times
>skip dialog, sneak around rocky area
>find a good spot
>shoot him from a distance with a shitload of arrows
>no seriously, it took a while
>I killed him and looted his corpse and got my sword

Several other characters I made:

> goto balmora after start
>go into weapons shop
>save
>start wailing on shop keeper
>die 9 times out of 10
>keep trying until I kill him
>get all his loot and his shop

I'm not a nice person when I play RPG's
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>>699680384
i've don't recall every having crashes, but honestly despite the cliff racers morrowind easily won me over, nostalgia aside, i found the general story and amount of time i have been able to sink in to exploration of the land much more immersive than skyrim or oblivion, but i liked all of them
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>>699686153
Even the magic doesn't fucking work.
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>>699686153
this
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The core of Morrowind was amazing and it did extremely well with spellcrafting, magic in general, and fucking you in the ass if you so much as breath in the wrong monster's direction.

The mods still make my dick hard. Lichcraft, Illuminated Order, Better Bodies, ANYTHING from Fliggerty...

That said, it is a shit game by today's standards. No getting around it. It's shit in the same way Pokemon Blue is shit; it crashes easily, the ingame writing was mediocre, the game is buggy... but Morrowind is probably the most responsible for nurturing the Elder Scrolls following enough for Skyrim to have popped up at all. God knows Oblivion isn't where we got so many people liking the series.

If only they would port a TINY bit more off of Morrowind and Oblivion...Mods can make up for the deficiencies, but we shouldnt NEED the mods to get back what they originally gave us.
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>>699685691
Dude them booms teach you thay Vivec got his ass rammed by Molag Bal, chopped off his dick, used it as a spear, and shoved it down azuras throat. Chim is OP as hell.
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>>699686279
You're fucking retarded as fuck. Morrowind had some of the greatest spells and spellcrafting.
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>>699679761
>soul trap glitch
>fly around like superman
>create huge magic spells

The only RPG character deserving to be called goku
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>>699676750
well done OP, well done indeed. that fuckin main theme song will forever be in my memory as the music of the most glorious days of my adolescent life

bitches, sluts, hoes, alcoholism, chronic partying, smoking everybody elses weed for free. none of it compared to geting home late at night and popping Morrowind into the ole Xbox. the delicious icing on the cake of being a hormone-crazed youngster
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>>699686279
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>>699680384

Nah my first game was oblivion but vanilla oblivion.

I played morro with tribunal and blood moon I think it's much better than vanilla oblivion despite the graphics.

It's just the amount of freedom, difficulty, anyone can be killed (you're the fucking decider you're not just riding the quest rails, you can actually fail at becoming the hero and keep playing) plus the religious epics

And the unorthodox elven world. The dark brotherhood seemed like the NSA and not a ragtag bunch of emo robin hoods. The armors were awesome and had a steam punk/organic style to it in a way.

I just wish they'd let you join house dagoth and I was stoked about dwemer airships lol but I understand the game's content must be limited.
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>>699685659
master trainers

you'll need that and a super powerful bow to 1-2 shot stuff so high enchant and destruction in a good idea

i play on xbox so it's good luck being able to line up a second shot with thumbsticks: one hit sneak shots or you're riding the pine pony
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Lets not forget it had the most memorable storyline and writing in the entire Elder Scrolls series. Seriously; Skyrim and Oblivion may beat this game in technical aspects but I was so immersed in the world of Morrowind, immersed like no other game has immersed me before. The games plot, the landscape, the dunmer. Culture, setting, and plot intertwine to form the most elegant masterpiece I have had the pleasure of playing. [spoiler] Talking to Vivec at the end has still got to be one of my top moments in gaming to this day [/spoiler]
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>>699686279
>trying to cast spells with 0 fatigue
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>>699676750
no character creation tho
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>>699686694
thanks for the tip, when i get time to sit down and sink several hours i'll start a character based on it
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>>699686769
Fine, if both combat AND magic suck, I'll be a thief-- oh wait...
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>>699686279
>Female orcs have 45 willpower
>Low as fuck destruction skill
>litteraly 0 fatigue
Yeah, I am certain that morrowind is the problem...
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Oblivion is clearly the best
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>>699686932
i see what your doing
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>>699686932
dude get over it, low level sucks yes, agreed but once you grind up it's more than playable and enjoyable, don't like it don't play
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>>699686916
it does take a significant time investment
>=2.5 days
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>>699687173
well it will have to wait until i'm done with assignments then
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>>699686478

I flipped shit when I read that lol. Never looked at vivec the same way after I found out he took it up the ass from that daedra.

Who would marry 'the king of rape'
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>>699686932
gotta grind out that leveling, or master trainers
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>>699676750
>being able to fail creating potions & enchanting weapons - more realistic this way
>realistic
>potions and enchantments

My fucking sides. What a retard
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https://youtu.be/UAakwqJbH_o?t=45
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>>699686299
how is it shit by today's standards? is it not packed with enough action?

almost all the bugs are fixed in the morrowind patch project. the only bug that has affected my game so far is merchants equipping random things when I sell to them and that doesn't affect gameplay at all and is easily fixable with console commands.

everyone else seems to think it never crashes. it's only crashed twice for me
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>>699684844
oh god

PLEASE green text
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF-XMtNEudQ
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>>699683816
That talking mudcrab though. Nobody was boss as he. I watched him take on one of those huge jellyfishfuckers once.
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>>699686728

I'm with you. First time being told what it's like to be a god (believable and mind fuck).

It was literally like going to another world.

Everything had a unique history and/or explanation
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>Spawn on boat
>Steal everything from every house in the starter village
>Sell in the next town
>Steal the armor and weapons from vendors there, equip them
>Steal everything of value and sell in the next town
>You won

Easiest game ever. You can literally just fucking jump on the roof and get away every time
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>>699680384
Started playing Morrowind three years ago, and have played all of the Elder Scrolls games since then. Morrowind is the best of all of them.
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>>699685332
Half the people in this thread are not even old enough to have played fallout 1 or 2.
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>>699686299
You're wrong when it comes to oblivion
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Oblivion > Morrowind > Skyrim
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>>699685691
Holy shit I just remember the lusty chambermaid...
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>>699683404
getting this mad kek
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>>699683404
>>mysticism
>I would say its about equal to Skyrim's

What did he mean by this?
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>>699676750
Didn't play much morrowind. Oblivion was my life for a while. Skyrim felt watered down as fuck. It took me like 4 years to actually give it a real shot when i gave up on it originally when i realized you couldn't choose skills.
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>>699687554
Story+intrigue+plot? It's great. Probably the best RPG I'll ever play.

Everything else? Cobbled together by cavemen, or made by the players some time afterwards.
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>>699686275
>Using the Wikia

Use uesp.net, it's much better.
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>>699688288
How old do you need to be to play?
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Every Tess Game has been amazing in each of their own rights with Skyrim being the most aesthetic.

Oblivion was clunky and weird, but had some of the most rewarding and creative quests for the time.

Morrowind God I loved mortowind. I must have been 12 when I first played it, waiting for Oblivion to be released.
At first I hated it, dropped it for a month then came back on new hope to quench the wait for TES: IV.

And I got gud, I sunk 1200 hours into that game and still played it after Oblivion released. Well until my save file corrupted...
Ughhh fucking livid about that.

One negative thing all the games including Fallout have in common is "fetch quest"...yeah that's 90% of the games content.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what Bethesda pumps out next.
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>>699688609
>What did he mean by this?
This isn't /tv/. Stop.
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>>699683404
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>>699688449
This
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>>699689093
>>699689093

They're done after fallout 4, didn't you hear? They sold the company's rights for TESC and Fallout to namco
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>>699676750
Wasn't there some talk of this game being re-released with the skyrim engine? Was that truth or internet hokem? I never played morrowind but loved skyrim.
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>>699688912
I googled it, but thanks I guess. Whats wrong with the one I used?
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>>699689093
i picked up morrowind on the recommendation of this guy
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>>699689302
No it's a fanmade "mod"

Last I heard there was still lots left to do.
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>>699688926
Read context you window licker. The games came out before most of these weeaboos were born.
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I'm Rick Harrison, and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss. Everything in here has a story and a price. One thing I've learned after 21 years - you never know what is gonna come through that door.
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>>699689314
The wikia has a bad reputation for uncited claims and generally being low quality. the uesp has been there since the 90s and has accurate information.
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>>699689214
Wait wot?
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>>699680384
Nope, I picked up Morrowind after having played through all of Oblivion and Skyrim. Hands down better than both combined.
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>>699689214

I wasn't aware of that, in fact I'm a bit skeptical buy I'll check that out for myself.

What I intended is I'm watchful for whatever Todd Howard's team pumps out, be that a new IP or what I'm interested.
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>>699676750
morrowind will forever be my favorite game. was the first game i could play from dusk to dawn without taking a break.. well apart from the excessively long loading screens lol
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>>699689214
This legit makes me mad.
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>>699686299
The fuck did you just say about Pokemon Blue?!
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>>699684408
>In Morrowind you are presented the opportunity to go from a nobody faggot nigger who can't fight a rat to fighting a fucking god at the end.
Well said. Every word of it.
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>>699686299
What's wrong with Pokemon Blue?
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>>699684408
>>699690542


In oblivion's main quest, it could be argued that the player isn't even the protagonist.
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>>699690085
I eventually had to quit because it made me nauseous/ gave me headaches, but all first person games do. I don't remember if Morrowind had third person, but I only played first.
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By far the best part of the last 3 TES games is Jeremy Soule. Dude is a damn fine composer and an inspiration to me. Without the music setting the atmosphere the games wouldn't have been as engaging.
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>>699691001
You think it's the god, or what?
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did somebody say melee?
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>>699684408
ironically, this is also why a lot of people don't like morrowing. you can't just smash buttons while sucking on your boyfriends dick and win the game while looking at "muh super duper sweet graphics"
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>>699688554

Lol written by that perv Crassius Curio

'The lusty argonian maid'


If you join house Hlallu you meet that books author, he makes you strip 'naked' and give him a kiss.

Freaking stuck to Telvanni and Redoran since then. Glad Hlallu died, basically an order of Putins, Clintons and Trumps
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>>699691033
yup, it had 3rd person, but that was only an effective view for area of effect magic and melee
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>>699691102
Martin, the kings son, actually kills the bad guy, while you stand there and watch.
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>>699688637

Oblivion had a special charm. First TES game for me. I think it played into all the legend stereotypes while being orthodox.

My nostalgia belongs to oblivion my heart to Morrowind
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>>699691078
his favorite work of mine is the Total Annihilation soundtrack.

TES and GW2 are a close second
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>>699691368
I forgot about that. It's been so long since I played it. All I remembered was Akatosh and the daedra battling at the end.
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>>699676750
The realy reason and only needed reason why Morrowind is the best ES game
>you can fly
/thread
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>>699691033
it does but when something attacks you it's really difficult to fight with swords/axes/etc. i would usually just use it to see how i looked
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But I thought Shivering Isles is the best?
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>>699685332
>grouping oblivion with morrowind
Want to know how I know you've never played any of these games?

>>699686028
Skyrim w/ mods > Morrowind w/ mods
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Morrowind, you could fly. Much better than the newer ones.
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>>699691878
Just because reddit told you doesn't mean it's true.
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>>699691591

So far TES and TLoU have been my favorite ost's. I'll give that a listen though!
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Any idea about when the next TES will come out, and what it might be about?
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>>699680384
>nostalgia
Skyrim is the first elder scrolls game I've played and I only got it about a year and a half ago. After the fifth quest of talk to random completely forgettable NPC, go into nearest shitty dungeon that is literally as complex as the first dimension(pic related) kill a 1,000 draugr, retrieve item at the end of the dungeon, leave throught convenient exit, give item to Questgiver NPC #42, and get a handful of shiny gold pennies, I gave up on the game. After that dissapointment I found out about Morrowind and gave it a try and found that nearly every problem I had with Skyrim was gone, and then some.
>graphics meme
just stop
>interface is shit
you can decide which windows show up and how large they are and where they go, the interface is as shitty as you are retarded
>implying Skyrim or any other heavily modded game doesn't crash at the drop of a hat
>dialog trees
Yeah, a lot of them talk like brochures, but at least you can ask the questions, and because you are able to, some mods can fix some of the issues at the very least
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>>699692013

Fuck reddit.
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Is TESO any good? I have a feeling it's been out so long, it's probably dead.
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>>699686240
See but that's the problem. Mechanics like that work in games like Fallout and Fallout 2, where everything is turn based, but not in an FPS where you are standing literally 6 inches from someone swinging a long sword and because "oh shit I don't know how to use it well enough" you miss a wide swing". It's a shitty mechanic for that kind of game.
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>>699690254
I agree with you on that!
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>>699692630
>FPS
You're not smart enough to be here.
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>>699692630
Yea, if you're that close you wouldn't miss, but you might not hit well. They should've made it, like 5 HP loss or something.
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>>699676750
100% agree
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>>699692915
It's basically an FPS RPG.

Maybe come up with an actual argument to counter me instead of committing an ad hominem fallacy.
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>>699692991
Yep. Morrowind was a great game with shitty mechanics. Same with most of the ES games.
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>>699693246
>Maybe come up with an actual argument to counter me instead of committing an ad hominem fallacy.
This is how we know you're a faggot who got here after 2012 and frequents reddit.
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People who like morrowind are just self hating and pretentious niggas
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>>699693702
Wrong again faggot.
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>>699693246
yeah, it's not turn based, it's a first/third person rpg...dont know if i would call it an fps, but i see your point, and if youre marksman heavy than it definitely can be like one.

skill out different if you can't hit anything, work the major/minor skill bonuses and racial bonuses and use trainers as often as humanly possible... yeah melee combat isn't xetremely satisfying early on, but i loved doing an acrobatics two handed sword character that charged a melee attack, jumped forward and swung for half the enemies life or a one hit kill
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>>699693246
It's a first person game, not a first person shooter. Apologize.
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>>699693246
"action rpg"
"sandbox rpg"

a lot of better names for it

anyways, I liked every ES game but I played each one to death so when I moved on that was it, it's always the most recent one I like the most, so.. Skyrim and the hundred mods atm

love the immersive battle type mods makes traveling/scouting sometimes annoying
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The vampire controls in Skyrim sucked.
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>>699693824
It's pretty obvious I'm right.
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As someone who started with Oblivion and onward, going back to try Morrowind was a nightmare.

Everything was too slow, the map was confusing to use, directions making no sense, the terrain and textures changing dramatically if you go to far off the beaten path (which in itself is hard to find), Too much reading
and the biggest sin, the combat being fucking random.
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>>699695113
>not enough flashing lights and explosions
nice bait
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>>699695113
>Too much reading
Found your real objection, Jamal.
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>>699695348
That's a jump, the game is just generally unenjoyable to someone who has been spoiled by better graphics and funner gameplay then someone who in that era is playing Morrowind for the first time.
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>>699685332
I bought the original fallout a while back and just haven't gotten around to playing it is there anything I need to know before starting? Or should I just go in blind?
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>>699695368
Actually, white like christmas. Just because your anonymous doesn't mean being racist is okay dude. inb4 moralfag
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>>699695560
>funner
Nice one, Jamal.
>>699695726
>white like christmas
You're not. You don't communicate like a truly white person. It doesn't matter what your skin color is because inside you're nothing but a poorly educated nigger.
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>>699695113
reading is what made morrowind popular

in non nigger terms its called "lore"
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>>699676750
This game ruined my social life as a child.
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>>699695952
Okay, well you're opinion stopped mattering.
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>>699696126
>you're
Nice one, Jamal.
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I missed out on Morrowind. Only got to play Oblivion and Skyirm. Does that make me a faggot?
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>>699695955
I'm talking about in game dialogue you fucking plebian. When I read a book in Oblivion or Skyrim, it's because I choose to. Don't want to strain the fuck out of my eyes to read that I have to do some bullshit for the fighters guild that goes on for 3 paragraphs.
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>>699676750
>quests can be ignored/denied
I don't know what your talking about. every time I talked to someone it seemed like a new objective was added to the log, with no dialog to deny it.
>current objectives are not highlighted
>completed objectives are not marked off or removed
I wanted to play morrowind so bad but I just couldn't, the quest log just killed it for me
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>>699696389
>i don't know nothing about readin' no games, massah
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>>699696317
>Can't defeat his argument
"nice grammar faggot"
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>>699696389
lore isn't just the books silly nigger

and you aren't forced to read books kek

if you wanna be a faggot who just runs around and hacking shit like the nigger that other poster said you are, then you're more than free to
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>>699696514
>reddit nigger is still pretending he has arguments
>doesn't realize arguments are for real white people, the kind with money and educations
Stick to your manual labor and dishwashing, slave.
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>>699676750
levitation
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>>699686279
>continues to cast after magicka is gone
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i love morrowind, but oblivion is the best elder scrolls game ever.
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>no quest markers
>limited fast travel
>game isn't a pushover - you're fucked if you don't create a good character

shut the fuck up dork. turn off quest marks, don't use fast travel and crank up the difficulty. it's that easy you pathetic dweeb
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>>699696660
Never said I didn't care about lore, just don't feel like reading when I can have an actual voice tell me ad get me enthralled.
>Actually likes ESO
>Collects every book in Skyrim/Oblivion
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>>699696806
>dork
>dweeb
So you not understand the irony of posting this response to a Morrowind thread on 4chan?
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>>699678673
those two, plus Earthbound, are enough rpgs to play. Everything else is shit, compared to those three
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>>699697024
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
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>>699696733
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>>699697195
>he bought the hipster Earthbound meme
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFiwAfKiTio
great game op.
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>>699696806
out of all that listings you choose the 3 easiest things to change?

are you done being stupid?
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>>699680384
Play the morrowind skyrim mod then. People have already ported over morrowind onto the skyrim engine.
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>>699680384
I think you have a fair point here, actually. There is certainly some nostalgia in play, and it's bullshit for people to try to call unstable games with garbage graphics perfection. But Morrowind had a near-perfect storyline, and near perfect game mechanics to make that storyline satisfying. The game was hard, but a way out was always available (intervention scrolls picked up almost immediately). The stakes were high, but never so high that you couldn't just go exploring for a while. The main quest had repercussions on the world in an authentic way (blight storms cause blight), rather than the sort of token, unimaginative progression of more modern RPGs (hey look, the bad guy castle is now a good guy castle!).

Morrowind is a hard game to play in light of modern conveniences and advancements. The graphics really are bad. The bugs really are in some cases game-breaking. The RNG for weapon attacks and spellcasting ruins the immersion (though it is a nice callback to pen and paper RPGs). But those modern games could learn a lot from the best of Morrowind. An inviting, alien world with a meaningful mainquest is a very hard thing to find in videogames nowadays. Morrowind was something special.
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>>699697284
>responds to the accusation of being a redditor by posting a cancerous reddit tier image macro
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>>699697101
haven't played morrowind

still solved your simple problems
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Pro tip

In the upper left region of the map is a lady standing next to a pool of water. She asks you to retrieve her ring from the water. Do it. When you come back up you're attacked by her and an almost invisible enemy. Rek them. Loot them. You are now the proud owner of an 80% chameleon constant effect amulet.
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>>699697406
i replied from the topic list. it only showed the first few. i'm not going through all that, most of it is way too fucking picky anyway
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>>699697586
Whether you've played it or not is irrelevant to the irony, mouthbreather.
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>>699685753
>implying I'm not doing literally the exact same thing in Skyrim
The only improvement skyrim had in its combat was you could right-click to block like 10% of the damage from an attack, instead of Morrowind just having you do a full block by random chance.
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>>699697919
read your own post dweeb. it's very relevant.
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>>699683404
Fuck you're retarded, Skyrim doesn't have mysticism, but thanks for confirming that you've never actually played Morrowind and are just baiting. FYI: mysticism was another school of magic before Skyrim.
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>>699698037
You're replying to a thread about a 14 year old RPG on a board about chinese cartoons. You're both a dork and a dweeb for even being here. Conversation over. You lose. Sorry you were too stupid to get it before now.
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>>699691878
Second best.
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>>699691947
Physically? Sure, but that's what a decade of new gaming engine development does. Nobody that believes Morrowind is the better games thinks so because of the graphics.
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>>699698285
/b/? chinese cartoons? i'm not even enough of a dork to know what you're talking about. don't bother replying, i've posted what i wanted and am out.
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>>699688449
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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>>699698565
>Conversation over.
>replies again out of impotent rage
How predictable. You're obviously a 90s kid who wasn't spanked enough.
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>>699692285
You haven't heard? It out this November. TES VI: Sreggin
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>>699692431
Nope, questing is the worst of any MMO and even the skill system sucks ass.
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I have a feeling you and I are about to become very close.
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>>699698945
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>>699699173
No bait here, literally every quest is a fetch quest or "kill x rats plz" skills are find randomly generated log/rock while going to next fetch quest and open a menu to craft something out of it. WoW and Runescape are both stronger and cheaper alternatives. Honestly just stay away from MMOs and you're fine.
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I remember making a ring with a permanent bound bow enchant. Was getting towards the end of the game and the monsters were taking tons of arrows to kill.

And that's how I found out that bound weapons have durability.
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>>699696370
Yes
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>>699699541
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>>699678386
That would be Shenmue.
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>activate TGM
>add ridiculous amounts of gold
>build balls the wall maxed out spell
>obliterate entire world with it
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>>699699932
You sure are doing a great job of proving me wrong.
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>>699700354
you were already proven wrong, at the moment your autism prevents you from shutting the fuck up afterwards

hence you arguing with yourself
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The unique artifact system in morrowind was my favourite, all other titles failed to replicate this,
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>>699691368
you are still the chosen one though. albeit just "that guy who protected the chosen one"
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Should I give Oblivion a try? It's been in my library for some time. I liked Skyrim, played most Fallouts (except FL2), and have played a lot of D&D in the days (I enjoy roleplay for what it is is what I mean).
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>>699701168
yes and shivering isles
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>>699701168
Honestly? Get some mods first for it, i suggest using nexus. But yeah oblivion is pretty good. A little more complicated then skyrim but not as good in quality. Morrowwind is better for RP, but oblivion has great combat and story.
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People really get wrapped up in talking about the technical details with this game. The combat system, the magic system, fast travel.

The real thing is the art direction, the music, the storytelling. Walking the Bitter Coast up the road from Seyda Neen, with the sound of drums and the swelling strings, and the call of a silt strider in the background...
Game mechanics, to me at least, are mostly irrelevant to why I love Morrowind.
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>>699684502
le u just typed up a le page of autism to le prove a point on le 4chan. your le stupid.
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>>699701418
I mostly use graphics mods, don't like to change the gameplay too much from what it's been designed to be like, or add silly quests
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>>699701519

Two sort-of caveats I forgot about.
The written dialogue system undeniably makes for more indepth storytelling.
The important effect of the (mostly) lack of leveled lists is emotional. You never know what you're going to come across in the cave or the ruins, how powerful a foe might be. That edge is palpable when you play.
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>>699692630
its part of the game and it makes sense if you were to think about it, which is clearly impossible for you. I could try to explain it but you wouldn't understand.
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>>699700489
You are a whole new kind of retard
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>>699700543
there were some cool masks in sky-rim, but I admit I was disappointed by the lack of unique items in Oblivion.
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>>699698117
>before Skyrim.
Wait, it was still in Oblivion?
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>>699701519
>Game mechanics, to me at least, are mostly irrelevant to why I love Morrowind.

That's because, mechanically speaking, the game is kinda shit. Don't get me wrong; I love Morrowind. I've sunk several years of my life into that game. Neither The Elder Scrolls or Fallout series has released a better game since.

But the engine is ass, and that has only become more apparent as time passes.

I have gotten stuck in so many meshes.
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>>699676750
i've tried playing morrowind on a few occasions, and i want to like it, but it's just.. too unrefined.. and boring.. i just get lost and have no idea what to do and where to go, and get bored after a few hours. i really wish i could get into it, but.. bleh. i hate myself for never owning an original xbox, or having even heard of TES until oblivion.
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>>699683816
>Attacking with no stamina
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