Just go to any local mosque, and the dude there would tell you more about the beliefs, and you can be called a Muslim, its solely about practicing Islam than anything else, and no they don't kill you if you don't
>>699575749 No, born and raised. Was scheduled to move to Canada, but 911 happened the week before we were about to, and everything kind of changed, all visas were canceled and immigration processes ceased
>>699575957 How frequently do you come across people with "extremist" beliefs? estimates put around 7%-25% of the Muslim population as "radicalised". Not active fighters but simply those with beliefs like Suicide bombings can be justified Honour killings of women can be justified etc. Do you or any of your family/friends hold these beliefs?
>>699576243 Muslims make up to 25% of the world population, last time I checked. And the most genocides happenings are in Muslim countries. Carried out by both the US and funded militants. And let's not get started on the whole Palestine fiasco xd I don't get where you would get that kind of an idea man, when was the last time you SAW a terror attack? I did, last week, few blocks from my place ^^
>>699575786 It's in the quran. The nonbelievers must be purged according to Muhammed...so, either you're a spineless cunt who doesnt want to follow through with his beliefs or you're a spineless cunt who needs to change his religion...
>>699576315 Oh lawd no, I haven't seen a single person who can justify suicide bombings or honor killings. I do hear a few savage cases from the rural part of the country, and that too is on the basis of family feud and not Islam based actions. And that too are taken care of by the police
>>699576817 No, Jesus is a prophet of Islam just as much as it has of Christianity. We believe in the resurrection just as much as you do, islam, Judaism, Christianity are supposedly the religion of the same God, and on the same timeline right?
>>699577183 Isis has done more harm to Muslims than it has to anyone on the planet. They kill masses everyday in the wartorn countries, we just don't get to hear em that's all. And Assad is just one of the many funded militant groups, for political purposes and has nothing to do with Islam. I don't want to name names but, it always intrigued me, how jet fuels could melt steal beams. Ayy
>>699577641 Anyone with a bomb yelling Allah hu Akbar I guess. I mean Islam is about impressing people with your character that they ask for your belief, not about holding a gun to there head until they do
>>699577506 No doubt Isis has fucked everything for non-radicalised Muslims. Got an opinion on the poor cultural assimilation in Europe which has lead to >Events like Cologne >Child pedophile rings in England >explosion in rape incidences in sweden Can't claim that I'm an expert but it seems to me that it's a bunch of Muslim's growing up under Sharia law then moving into ghettos in a culture with slutty dressed women or weak as fuck men so they just run a muck under a mob mentality
Sorry, my question was different. You claim you are here to dispelling radical/violent Muslims myths with this thread. Yet there are violent and radical people who claim to be muslim. Why are these violent people claiming to be muslim not actually muslim in your view? Because my understanding is they might say the same thing about you.
>>699578151 middleast is a start, then branch out to pakistan. eventually exterminating all the mudslimes in first world countries. or just return every mudslime back to their shit tier country and not let them come over
>>699578046 Yea, maybe the 20% you speak of, have you actually met them or is it a number you came across the Internet? How would you even pole it? Wouldn't a person be sent to jail for supporting a terror attack?
>>699578340 Not muslim, have studied though. Every major institution, religion definitely included, has their fair share of crazies. You shouldn't judge a whole group of people based on the actions of their crazies. That would be like judging white people by aryan bullshit, or judging catholics by the worst of the ira, or judging musicians by nickelback.
>>699578086 I believe there has been misconceptions about the Sharia law as well. According to which, rape is a crime viable for a death penalty. So I believe atleast the intentions couldn't have been Islamic
>>699575164 >the whole world hates you aside from other Muslims?? Shiites, Sunnis and secular Muslims hate each other you underage tard. Imagine if every state and province in the west was unstable and full of trumptards
>>699578709 They don't get sent to jail because the EU guarantees freedom of speech.
ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers http://www[dot]telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified http://www[dot]cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06 http://www[dot]webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45. http://www[dot]policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/living%20apart%20together%20-%20jan%2007.pdf
>>699578340 Islam forbids killing of innocent people and highly disregards any hate crime. Things like Al Qaeda and other militant groups came into being to fight for a few political gains, the recruitment pitch was about killing everyone for high rewards, and it was every inbred with ears. So I guess they can have their opinion and we can have ours. But I highly recommend for people to actually read the book to judge either side
>>699578340 Not op...but Muslim....those guys usually have nothing to loose and are lost...plus they had grown up with anti western propaganda...so they think its right thing...to kill innocents is not at all ok in Islam...but they still think they are doing the right thing...like for Palestinians they were ousted from their lands to make space for the Jews in WW2...because of this alot of them feel its the crusades all over again...thus they attack...killing in the name of god to justify their actions...which it does not...so to wrap it up...its all for land or to piss off who they believe is the oppressor...then they justify their actions by saying...i did it for god
>>699578652 Hey, that's not true. Who are we to judge who's right or wrong. We don't claim to be the chosen ones like some other group. Religions are supposed to coexist. Killing is prohibited, the only thing we are allowed to do, is impress others with our character, I guess we're doing an awful job at that xd
Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
>>699580319 Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I heard Allah's Apostle [Muhammad] saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6981:
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger [Muhammad] (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6983: Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6984: Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
>>699579585 I live in the Islamic state of Pakistan, this is a Democratic country. If shariah isn't even implied here, do you really think we would imply it in the UK. Though sharia has great pros and Cons, and no the con doesn't include a scientific halt, but that is a big enough topic as it is, I suggest you read up on it, its pretty interestingly tbh
>>699580447 Ever notice that when a religion starts they are the minority...thus being trampled on by most other religions...well the Muslims were that back then and were abused by the Jews...hence why alot of verses are about killing jews because they were at war with them
>>699580639 Muslims here keep trying to get us to make exceptions for them due to sharia law. It's fucking stupid, honestly. If they didn't like the way we live then why would they move here and expect us to change for them? >Amerifag
What the fuck? Do you know anything about your religion? Allah cant have sons where as jesus was the son of yahweh. Who are they the same? Also yahweh and Allah are completely different. Yahweh is more kind and compansionate and allah is more like a distand being
>>699580412 He quotes the Quran. I did read the Quran. The Quran treats outsiders like they tried to fuck his woman while their merely trying to make sense of this world. You can get the same information if you ever open a Quran. Any page. Try to find one that doesn't advocate for violence.
I'm at work so I'm limited to internet sources at the moment. however, "Muhammad's views on Jews were demonstrated through the contact he had with Jewish tribes living in and around Medina. His views on Jews include his theological teaching of them as People of the Book (Ahl al-Kitab), his description of them as earlier receivers of Abrahamic revelation; and the failed political alliances between the Muslim and Jewish communities.
After his migration (hijra) to Medina from his home-town of Mecca, he established an agreement known as the Constitution of Medina between the major Medinan factions, including the Jewish tribes of Banu Qaynuqa, Banu Nadir, and Banu Qurayza that secured equal rights for both Jews and Muslims as long as Jews remained politically supportive. Muhammad later fought battles with these tribes on the alleged basis of violations of the constitution."
>>699581543 Things like allowing women to wear their hijab for their drivers license pictures or not being made to remove them at security checkpoints at airports, courthouses, etc... It's mostly just stupid little things like that. They come here and want special treatment, not equality. So, in my opinion, they are just as bad as the sjws, niggers, etc that want special treatment because blahblahblah.
>>699581828 This happens in Germany and Sweden all of the time OP. What are you talking about? The rapists claim that it's their right because the girls were asking for it because no hijab or whatever bullshit excuse they come up with that makes them feel special
>>699573879 Islam has an embarrassingly childish view of god and theology. It is more concerned with piety and observation of ridiculous traditions than an actual metaphysical picture involving an eternal creator. It has a long way to go before it reaches the theological and philosophical sophistication of Catholicism for example. It first has to start making concessions, and this will happen when science and free thought are promoted above religion in muslim countries.
The most likely scenario will be muslim immigrants to western countries slowly pushing the advancement of science in their native regions.
>>699582526 Pakistani culture is merely 70 years old. There are Quran translated and explained in every mosque, everywhere. By scholars. I wouldn't blame for having a negative image of Islam in the text books with all that is supposedly going on
>>699573879 The biggest issue I have with Muslims is that they are failing to Police their own religion. Yeah yeah muh crusades, muh inquisition, (Im Athiest but whatever), that shit was hundreds of years ago, Muslims are doing terrorism now. By Police their own, I mean apart from a minority of Imams and westernized Muslimbros, the majority of Muslims do nothing to say "stop it" to terrorism. In fact so called "moderates" nod their heads in agreement or even celebrate when there is a terrorist attack. Often times saying "yeah well you deserve it." The Paris shooters hid out where they grew up and NO ONE turned them in....The OPEC nations held a military demonstration on the border of Iraq to show ISIS not to mess with them....but what are those Armies doing now? Not stopping violent extremism Muslims from attacking people. Hell Turkey is buying up ISIS oil and selling it to keep then funded. Want your western countries to accept you? Side with the culture that took you in, that fed you, that made you safe and not the culture you or your parents fled from.
>>699582711 On the contrary man, I feel Islam has a pretty sophisticated sense of God, without any cartoonist images. And as far as science goes, a lot of basic scientific approach like optics or even algebra were founded by Muslim scientists. Unlike the Catholic church you mention with its episode with Galileo
>>699583346 fair points. but I believe the poster's real issue is that Islam does not seem to stress bonds with the Creator, nor internal states of being -- but rather outward ones, solidified through cult ritual.
for the record, I do not hate Muslims, but I do hate Islam.
>>699583346 Sorry bro, I was talking about today, not hundreds of years ago. Allah is a distant figure that sends you to hell for disobeying him and your whole life is to be spent in servitude to him. And anyone who disagrees is a subhuman, worthy of death and eternal damnation. Fucking childish and stupid.
>>699583346 The Catholic Church protected a lot of philosophical literature from Roman and Greek history. Muslims tried but were unfortunately not able to because the mongols are ruthless. This is why the north got skeptical of their beliefs while Muslims got extremist. Remember that Arabs used to top the world culturally, economically, and militarily. Only reason that's not the case anymore is because they suffered a huge loss intellectually and haven't recovered. Basically, it's because they still full stop believe in fairy in the sky bullshit
>>699582992 I like how you were subtle with the hate and willing to share a dialogue. But there are no Muslims that I know of that would live alongside you in Paris and say you deserve it. As far as hiding is concerned, tupacs killer must've been snitch proof in their ghettos as well. US buys most of the oil, or they just invade in the name of democracy, whatever is feasible. I don't want my western countries to accept me, I just want them to not bomb us and maybe one day think of us as equal. And thx I guess for feeding me and making me safe, from what exactly though
>>699583647 The whole kill non believers as they're subhuman is false. I highly recommend you read the actual thing to judge. But as far as the concept of God is concerned. Its more of a faith thing, but to a btard to another, its does bring peace and meaning to life
>>699583892 They also destroyed most of it and rewrote what they didn't to suit their own ideological bullshit, just like the Muslims. Luckily, the thousandth of a percent of it that survived was in sufficient circulation that some of that damage could be undone.
>>699583929 Protection from the extremists in your homelands we armed. See, most people in our country feel that arming irresponsible people in our own country with small arms is a bigger concern than deliberately arming the nut jobs in your homeland with missiles and tanks.
>>699583567 Funny thing is, Islam is everything about the bond between the people and their Creator. I recommend you read up on it a little, just as an experiment, try visiting the local mosque or something cause, cause I assure you, Islam maybe perfect, but Muslims are not. So its kind of the other way around xd
>>699583929 safe from the other Muslims trying to kill you. Ever notice how the US doesnt get involved till you fuck with us (or our oil supply) first? Suddam and the Taliban would still be in power were it not for 9/11. Hell Osama would still be alive if he hadnt gotten so butthurt about the Saudis asking the US to protect them from Sudam. When the news of 9/11 reached the middle east people were celebrating n the streets, this is what I saw and am old enough to remember (34). If you are living in the West, adopt our cuture or leave. It is just that simple. We will stop bombing your countries when you stop allowing terrorists a safe place to live. The dofference between Tupacs killer and Paris, is that Pacs killer didnt have his face and name all over the news. Look at the Lockerberrie bomber, he blew up a plane and got a heros welcome when he got home.
Despite all this, I dont hate you for being Muslim. I hate you for accepting terrorism.
>>699584456 lol >yfw you discover there's an entire field of work led by secular and jesuit scholars devoted to undoing the damage done by 1400 years of the church rewriting history to support its mythology.
>>699584384 Recheck your facts man, I don't want to sound like keyboard warrior, but believing Al Qaeda and stuff were based on Islamic ideologies and not a political propaganda is not something I feel should not become the norm
>>699584201 Literally says it's okay to kill non believers. I does not promote an actual connection with god. He is a dictator in Islam. And if you have even a perfunctory knowledge of theology, you can see it is horribly oversimplified and flawed. I.e. it completely disregards all science as false.
>>699584708 Read the actual thing bro, and not the flyers you see around. Just for a little experiment, try visiting a local mosque, asking around, and reading for yourself the actual book with references and contexts
>>699584906 Dude, you have been obviously been mislead by the media, go watch news again, not fox or the other stuff. Why would anyone celebrate terrorism, and why would you assume I support one. What good did 911 brought to the middle east, but I can name a few that it brought to the States. Iraq was for oil, Osama had always been a puppet, I don't know man, sometimes I wonder, if jet fuels would actually melt steel beams kek
>>699584906 I respect your opinion and impressed how calmly you suggested your points, but I do believe you might have been a victim to the mainstream media, we get bombed everyday in the name of freedom, all they want is oil and all we want is to live, in our own homes, safe
>>699586003 Being a Muslim doesn't mean you follow sharia, I live in Pakistan, its a Democratic state, Muslim living abroad doesn't care if you eat pork or fuck the same gender, all the 35161 of them. They're just not allowed to eat porn, drink alcohol or have premarital sex.. Sedlyf
Please support this website by donating Bitcoins to 16mKtbZiwW52BLkibtCr8jUg2KVUMTxVQ5 If a post contains copyrighted or illegal content, please click on that post's [Report] button and fill out a post removal request
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the content originated from that site. This means that 4Archive shows an archive of their content. If you need information for a Poster - contact them.