Captain Janeway is a dumb bitch.
>go out on three week mission
>somehow fuck up so badly end up in the Delta Quadrant, on the other side of the galaxy
>violate the temporal and prime directive over 9k times per episode
>murders one of her own crewman
>collaborates with borg
>kidnaps a borg
>forces borg to seperate from the collective
>when she gets home instead of being tried for her war crimes she gets promoted to Admiral cause daddy is one too
inb4 prime directive doesn't matter because Delta Quadrant
prove me wrong.
>pro tip inc
pic related the 2nd best thing about ENT.
the first best thing about ENT was this fucking guy. He could be funny, scary, intimidating, all on a whim. Great actor, best reccuring actor of any star trek series.
the Vulcan, not Tuvok, the one that worked in engineering. Vulcans go through like a sexual violent stage when they get horny and he wanted to bang the klingon chick I think?
Any she murdered him.
goddamn if I can remember his name, he was several episodes, (if not a couple seasons), before he flipped out
fucking kek haha he literally became "my wife's son"
I can't find any evidence of this, memory alpha doesn't list him as dead in Voy. He gets beaten up in that mating ritual episode (the one with the caverns).. but he doesn't die.
yeah this an the episode with the borg kids. fuck i just reminded myself of that....
Rated with standard metrics that make for a great show:
DS9 > ENT > TNG > TOS > VOY
Rated with metrics that make for great Trek:
TNG > ENT & DS9 > TOS > VOY
Also, my first child was born last Thursday. His name is Benjamin. And here he is holding his first toy :)
I ain't even trollin! The only thing I liked was Jeri Ryan and after rewatch img it recently it's god awful and a Hottie alone cannot carry the hot mess, especially the deus ex machina that was it finale! Worse still that was the end result of the trek tv timeline!
she didnt kill vorek, you fucking autists.
she did however forcefully seperate tuvok and neelix when they were merged by a transporter malfunction to the individual tuvix.
and tuvix really didnt want to die. so I guess that who the OP meant
probably this, it's the only thing that comes to my mind as well. I do remember the vulcan freaking out when he needed to get laid but do not remember him getting killed by janeway
I don't understand why DS9 gets such high marks on /b/ every time one of these threads pops up. It's a fucking soap opera.
Truth. Great character.
This is now a get thread.
Character development became just as important as plot development to the point where the antagonists, nornally just the "big bad" in most series, was as well developed as principle cast members. If you can't relate to personal interaction, then it's because you suck at life.
It's the only Trek series that was arranged like a proper story. Most episodes were connected to one another.
Also it was the only one that dared to explore the dark side of space, in depth.
The prime directive didn't apply because she wasn't even in her own actual Timeline to violate it.
"Great scott, marty", harder TNGfag
I want a holographic daughter like the doctor...
there was an alternate universe thing where 2 voyagers were trapped in some paradox bullshit. kim and newborn naomi died. the janeway of the most badly damaged voyager sacrificed her ship and crew to end the paradox, and sent her ships kim and naomi over before destruction
thats also my opinion
i dont understand the many people here who takes it to top
no spaceship instead station suck
but i didnt look it from the beginning only random episodes
Iliked this character, wondered why they stopped the whole pholx/cutler thing. then i read her wiki page ;_;
Series three and four were as good as any other trek series, just man babies refused to watch it for pathetic reasons (it has a theme song?! There was a xcaptain before pike?! Blasphemy!) and it was cancelled, and look how that went?! Franchise death until trek 2009 that the same man babies hated (but fuck them it did well) and now the new trek we are getting is based around a ship design by a Star Wars guy, whose design was rejected by Roddenberry for not being in keeping with his universe!
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't do a homage to planet of the Titans for the first series!
Enterprise doesn't look so bad now does it?
I'm surprised 4chan isn't full of cybernetic women porn because of her.
Actually Neelix was my favorite character. Weird, because I know he was hard to tolerate.
I guess I just like how he was just some awkward shitty guy who wasn't cool, how had normal concerns and had a big arc. In a way his arc was one of the biggest besides Seven and Torres.
TOS at the end of the list? Sir you are some kind of fucking moron.
I hated them for doing everything wrong with the borg. I loved the idea of the borg. I still love it. But they had a hard on for making them more human and less machine. Their writers did not share my inhuman ideal of the borg, and they ruined them at every step.
Neelix wasn't too awful. What blew is there were no interesting villians in VOY. DS9 had a number of interesting immoral characters. Hell, quark was fantastic and present in nearly every episode. His greed and underhanded nature was amusing, while sprinkling the occasional moral action when things seemed to be getting out of hand. Garak was fantastic, even if we had to deal with the douchecanoe doctor to enjoy him.
The psychic bitch ruins TNG for me. I love picard and worf, but no, "they feel sad a fucking lightyear away".
They should have wired her head up, run some feeding tubes and waste tubes into the appropriate slots and used her as a sensor for finding cloaked ships.
The emotron is detecting high levels of smugness a parsec to our left. Throw some photon torpedos that way and let's call it a day.
/ beardman can maintain conjugal visits if need be
Agreed, both on the Borg and the lack of villains. Though to be honest I think the reason I personally didn't care too much about the lack of villains was due to the journey itself being the main obstacle. I loved episodes where they found little ways to boost their trip home, or some moral improvement.
Species 8472 was a massive failure to me in particular though. Impressive models and rigging for their time, but I just thought they were all-in-all retarded. The Kazon seriously needed to wash their hair.
Everything with the Doctor and Sever was gold.
Harry Kim made me hope and disappointed.
Agree with that, she was the weakest main character. No love for the Crusher's either. However TNG was so strong with Picard, Data, Worf, La Forge, and Riker.
ENT had a great cast, terrific cast actually. If given a few more seasons it could have been a really great show as well. The first season was just too dull, the writers played it too safe.
I kinda wondered why the temporal fleet didnt come stop her like the guy in earlier episodes, but then I think they cant fuck with Qs and a Q got the borg started and through time travel she essentially reversed the effects of a Q and not a single q gives a fuck and it doesnt kill humanity to say fuck the borg im guessing since the future either got really good or the temporal police were busy, idk but I figured it was balanced enough on a time vs q level
Voyager would have been a lot better if they had cast a 10/10 as the captain and made the uniforms out of latex.
Also, I hate serials. I like to watch an episode of something and have it be a complete story without needing to watch the whole series for background and understanding. Character development can happen over the course of a series without needing a fluid story line. That is, if the writers are good enough...
What's it like being completely retarded? Do you have someone interpret your wild flailing in order to post? If so, tard wrangler, what's the tardiest thing this poster's ever done?
A la X files, tng, sliders (minus the cromags), quantum leap ( bakula lept into enterprises captain and failed to change the timeline so he got stuck.) , any other good episode by episode shows. The 80s and 90s were ripe with them.
He's an unbearable sixteen year old with cerebral palsy. I'd like to say there is a 'tardiest thing', but he usually tops himself every single day. Yesterday he threw potato salad across the cafeteria and ran around screaming. I feel like suicide every day.
You a fucking bitch, OP.
>Janeway offered amnesty to her enemies.
>aneway held together a crew comprised of two opposing ideological viewpoints.
>Janeway treated The Doctor as a sentient being with all the rights and privileges associated with such a status.
>Janeway maintained her dignity after making lizard babies with Tom Paris.
> Janeway lost far fewer crew members than Kirk.
>Janeway was the first captain since Kirk to rise to the rank of admiral.
>Janeway was not driven into a homicidal rage when dealing with Neelix.
>Janeway brought resolution to the Q Civil War.
>Q selected Captain Janeway as his son's godmother.
>Captain Janeway faced the largest Borg threat with the least resources.
>Janeway's 75 year mission was completed in 7 years.
Not to mention her single-handedly fucking up the Borg AND using their tech to get back to the Alpha Quadrant. What's the best Picard did? Oh yeah, get cucked by the Q, then assimilated by the Borg and nearly fucked the Earth, too.
Janeway's the best captain to admiral Starfleet has ever known. Fuck your shit, OP.
Hardly. The duplicity of Garak, the pomp of Bashir, the simplicity of O'Brien, the treachery of Dukat, the pioty of Kai Wynn, the guardedness of Odo, the polarization of Sisko's personal morals vs Starfleet ethics... the character development is unmatched in the Trek universe. Enterprise was the only other one that came close in that regard.
I like the possibility that the Bajorans start getting more and more militaristic once they break away from the Cardassian Rule.
The only touch on this in alternate timeline episodes.
trips comfirmed, Shran is the star of the show!
I want a holographic family also so that i can program them to be incestuous sex addicted nymphomaniacs.
I would come home to find my kids fucking on the couch while porn plays on the tv and my wife is fucking herself with a dildo by the pool.
The kids dont even stop to say welcome home dad. The only recognition i get is my daughter bending over and then grabbing for my dick.
I wish there would have been more politics overall, in every series. I would have even liked to see a polticial thriller movie in the Trek universe instead of all action. Star Trek VI was the only one that kinda did that. Honestly, at this point, I'll take any tv show format in the Star Trek universe. Law & Order in the Federation? Absolutely. Fucking House Hunters Intragalctic? Sure, why the hell not.
I absolutely hate that General Krim wasn't a recurring character.
He was badass, intelligent, cultured, and fair.
VOY was such a fucking waste. It was like if TNG never got past the shitty weirdness of its first two seasons. The characters were all superficial and lifeless, with the only decent one ironically being the EMH. Leads like Chakotay, Kim, and Janeway all fail the test RedLetterMedia devised in their famous Phantom Menace deconstruction, where you should be able to describe a character without mentioning their job, appearance, or station in life. Its few decent arcs, like Barkley and the Pathfinder Project, were WOEFULLY underused.
The entire problem with Star Trek for the last 20 years is that DS9 failed to match TNG's ratings, and so producers and production people decided it was a huge mistake and everything should strive to be the opposite of it. Not realising that it was by FAR the finest incarnation of the franchise, in many ways prefiguring the current golden age of television, with its series-spanning story arcs, black and grey morality, and complex, imperfect, three dimensional heroes.
I can tell. You're clearly suffering from an early onset of Tuvan Syndrome.
The only Bajoran more badass than him is the Bajoran guy in red who fought a Klingon with his bare hands! And didn't lose for a while!
(He's in "Way of the Warrior Part 2". When Kira is having that prolonged fight with Klingons where she's injured, he's in the background fighting one Klingon to an absolute draw).
Why would he be trolling? This is pretty much the hierarchy most genuine Trekkies espouse, though people vary on their view of Enterprise. I'd place its latter two seasons among the best Trek ever produced, but its first two were shit tier.
Probably because of studio politics. Ronald D. Moore didn't want anything to do with it.
Brannon Braga arguably wrote the best TNG episodes, but the stories fall kind of flat in VOY and ENT. I guess he had more of a passion for writing about Jack Bauer by then.
Fuck that guy, Doctor Forgettable was my least fave character on DS9, and that's saying a lot considering how SHIT Jake was.
Neelix was fucking cancer. I think they were trying to make him an ugly, comic relief supporting character like Quark, but they completely botched it. Quark worked because he was a scheming scumbag who could usually be counted on to (very) begrudgingly do the right thing. Audiences love that sot of character, it's an incredibly endearing archetype, which explains the popularity of characters like Al Swearengen and Sandor Clegane.
But Neelix had none of that challenging moral complexity. He was just a stupid-looking buffoon who got in the way of everything. He is rightly called the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek.
Isn't he a badass, fighting a Klingon armed with a blade weapon, with his bare hands?
>Comparing Jake favourably to Bashir
Whoa. Let's not day anything we can't take back
Please state the nature of the
The only character with any personality on the entire show turns out to be a piece of software kek
The doc made that show... when 7 switches minds with the doc might be the funniest thing in all of star trek.
You're right... I was out of line, Jake's shit is on the level with his piss ant Ferengi boyfriend and Wesley the 'wonder boy'
But Bashir wasn't really great either, Phlox is still my favorite doctor.
Voyager is goodtier
TNG is good also but i have seen it 1000 times
ENT is ok.
TOS is shit
What, did you think Neelix was just a chef?
Enjoy the secret sauce
TNG>TOS>DS9 until S3>VOY>ENT S4>DS9 from S3 on>ENT until S3
Bonus round: all even numbered movies > uneven numbered ones, 6 being the exception to the rule
well, they made 2 big mistakes:
The fucking gay titlemusic
The Captain and his Friend (gaaaaaaayy)
>You are literally the worst.
why? last time i checked i was ok
>I wish I could watch each one the first time again
same here for star wars 3-6
The directors of VOY didn't give a damn about how uncomfortable she was. She passed out more than once on set if I'm not mistaken.
Surprised it took this long. Janeway made a lot of gray decisions as well though.