>>693065278 You are literally the reason trump is winning. A split democratic party means that trump has less opposition. Even if hillary is bad, nothing can be worse than that idiot donald trump being president.
You aren't a Bernie Sanders supporter, you did not go to college, you do not stand to gain or lose anything regardless of who is elected. Your life is a waste of all recources, you parents despise you would are forced by our modern society not to abandon you.
You associate with Bernie Sanders as you feel a 'successful' person would do the same, and you see others in your age-bracket out supporting him. You do not vote, you do not contribute, you do not do anything of benefit to anybody, you are a net loss to all things and all people.
>Pic related, using the GI Bill to get free college. >mfw Trump gets in to power and give veterans more perks
>>693066876 >>693066670 Anyone's better than trump. I'm moving to canada if he becomes president. Bernie lost. He's not becoming president, get over it. A person with government experience would be better than some narcissistic idiotic businessman who had already won life before he was even born.
>>693066508 Most of Sanders supporters are in the 18-24 year old age bracket an are therefore, the least likely to vote anyway. That combined with Clinton's super duper unlikability, are contributing to Trump's success.
>>693067099 $hillary is more popular, though. If we rally behind the more popular candidate, fewer people will be mad. Also, some republicans are voting for hillary, just to keep trump out of office. I honestly doubt they would even think about supporting bernie.
>>693067586 You don't get it. Presidents are anger magnets. Patsies. Not one has had any "real" "power" for a long time now. Probably the last one to even think they did when they got into office was Kennedy. Modern candidates know exactly what they are & what the deal is before they get the nomination from either party.
>>693066508 In plain, uncouched and unadultarated words can you give a quick and direct summation as to why Donald Trump would not make a good President?
For example. >Hillary has recently create the biggest security breech since Snowden released all those files, she has actively lied to Congress and the Senate. She states nothing was Classified, while it is true it was actually classed Top Secret. She has flipped on the majority of her issues based on the backing of her sponsors as they conflict with what they wanted.
>Bernie believes money grows on trees. Minimum wage will cause massive inflation and further devalue your money. He fails to undestand that people have adaptive behavior in that he (Knowingly or not) believes that people will keep investing and behaving the same way they are when taxes and circumstances change. If you increase taxes, people will leave to find cheaper rates to pay, thereby taking away jobs that are desperately needed.
>>693068105 In recent years, the president has served a huge role in how other countries view our country. If our president isn't even allowed in Britain's (one of our closest allies) capital, why would we want him? As for hillary and bernie, neither of them are hated as greatly by other countries.
Trump also wants to make muslim americans register with the government. This directly violates the first ammendment, saying freedom and equality of religion is strictly required. To stay constitutional, trump would have to make every religious person in the united states register under the government, which would be chaos.
Trump wants to build a wall along the mexican border, because they apparently rape a lot and they take our jobs. This is retarded, because mexican immigrants almost always are forced to work jobs people don't want to work like McDonalds casheer and subway bathroom janitor. They honestly make more room for americans to advance by filling in all of the jobs for retards. Also, most Mexicans are devout Catholics, and Catholicism strictly prohibits sex for pleasure, so most mexican immigrants don't really rape.
Also, Mexico is an important ally for America, because many of our companies outsource labor to Mexico. Trying to make Mexico pay for an American wall would lessen our relationship with Mexico. They may even force all American companies' outsourced labor out of Mexico, forcing higher wages for manual workers, and therefore higher prices. That would suck. Also no matter how much you open your imagination, Mexico's never going to pay for a single American construction project.
Lastly, trump has no experience. Hillary is a liar and bernie doesn't understand that you just can't suddenly raise taxes as much as he wants, then expect people to pay them, but trump is a narcissist, who will use his presidency to fatten his wallet, then just dump all of the work on someone else. Trump doesn't give a shit about America. All he cares about is money.
>>693069992 >whole establishment Yeah, getting the republican candidacy really counts as the whole establishment turning against you. Those this happens to get relegated to third parties where they never have a realistic chance in hell at "winning" anything.
>>693070640 >In recent years, the president has served a huge role in how other countries view our country. If our president isn't even allowed in Britain's (one of our closest allies) capital, why would we want him? As for hillary and bernie, neither of them are hated as greatly by other countries.
So America should give up their choice of representitives on the basis of whom is allowed in each country? Trump invests millions in Scotland alone.
>Trump also wants to make muslim americans register with the government. No he does not, he required all incoming immagrants register which is entirely legal, there is a clause in the Constitution allowing just that. The Bill of Rights does -not- protect people from outside the country it protects it's citizens.
>Trump wants to build a wall along the mexican border, because they apparently rape a lot and they take our jobs. This is retarded, because mexican immigrants almost always are forced to work jobs people don't want to work like McDonalds casheer and subway bathroom janitor. Over 80% of the women under 16 have been sexually abused whom come illegal from Mexico, somebody is doing the raping. They are not forced they chose to do so because minimum wage here is better by far than hundreds in a worthless currency.
>Forcing higher wages for manual workers, and therefore higher prices. If there are jobs available and people on unemployment do not want them, then you remove their benefits until they are suitably motivated to feed themselves. If you have no job, you do not get to pick, you get the first one you can.
>Also, most Mexicans are devout Catholics, and Catholicism strictly prohibits sex for pleasure, so most mexican immigrants don't really rape. Indeed they are, but they do indeed rape my friend.
>Lastly, trump has no experience He does not, no. But he has business experience in hiring people who do.
You failed, anon. I asked without your opinions, the vast majority of your words are.
>>693070640 >Trump wants to build a wall along the mexican border >Also, Mexico is an important ally for America >Hillary is a liar and bernie doesn't understand that you just can't suddenly raise taxes as much as he wants,
I removed all the flowery prose from your reply, left only the things that are fact and relevant in an argument.
>Also no matter how much you open your imagination, Mexico's never going to pay for a single American construction project Yes they are, Mexico recievecs millions in direct wage and money transfers from illegals here that acts as a makeshift wellfare net in Mexico, ask Mexico to pay or we he will levy massive tarrifs on transfers to latin-america.
Do we actually have a real live Trump supporter in this thread? Incredible.
Anyway, Bernie is bad because he knowingly misled the public about his proposed funding programs. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that his 'closing loopholes' tax plan wouldn't raise as much money as he says it would. Without funding sources, all his 'socialist' programs are just ways to spend us deeper into debt.
>>693072129 Based. > build the wall It's also been said that illegals working in the U.S. send about $1 billion a year back home. Sending cash through the usps is illegal. Just seizing that money will be enough to motivate Mexico to act. > no speculation on my part as to what those actions might be.
>>693072995 The vast majority of people have said they do not have a problem with emminent domain, but Trump has said he will try all means to build the wall on the Mexico side so no territory is lost by fine upstanding Americans.
>>693072854 Because we are a dumb people on the whole, and buy into his minstrel show of a campaign hook, line, and sinker. But we believe our elections are legitimate & not rigged, so hell. Going to be hysterical when he turns into absolutely every modern president & backtracks on all his campaign promises after "election" though.
>>693073224 >I hate the government it lies to us >Votes for a woman with a track record of lying >I hate the influence faceless companies have on politics >Votes for a woman created by faceless companies >I hate career politians >Votes for a woman who spent her entire career in poiltics
>>693073531 You stand to lose the last line of your defense when Trump pulls out of all those Air bases and naval stations. Free market is the only way to raise living standards, enjoy your regressive Socialism-in-any-country-we-can-shoehorn-it-in-to.
Is there a legal reason why he's not on the ballot or did he just throw in the towel? As in, does he need the support of a major party or did he just assume it's not going to work anyway? Why not stay in the race and hope the other candidates fuck up near the end and they ll rage vote for you.
>>693073684 >Votes for a woman Lol, I'm not shilling for Hilldawg, or any of them. They're all exactly the fucking same. It doesn't fucking matter who anyone "votes" for, Trump is "winning" regardless. Needs to be a republican this time.
>>693074303 > lrn2politics of foreign countries Are you implying the US is no democracy? You're probably right, but that wasn't really my question. >>693074440 But why does that mean he has to withdraw? He might not be able to campaign anymore, but his name could still be on there, couldn't it?
>>693074211 Guess you never leave the house. It's written about seven times on the wall in my post office. Or possibly you think secret laws are written on the wall in two inch script. Stay NEET, meat bag.
>>693068105 He's an unbridled narcissist, with little to no experience, whom has failed in almost every business endeavor he has ever undertaken, except when he was taking advantage of the law to continuously put the american taxpayers on the line for his repeated bankruptcies. He has shown an uncomfortable willingness to quash the press, and has on multiple occasions proven himself to be a callous and terrible individual. Examples include, mocking a disabled reporter, his insistence that John McCain's time as a POW made him a shitty soldier, his support for torture and mass murder of the families of terrorists(both considered war crimes), his hatred towards illegal immigrants; despite his willingness to employ them when it suited him.
>>693074759 Not sure what you're talking about. But restricting the flow of money sent by immigrants via postal service seems like an awesome platform to attack the postal secret. That's all I'm saying.
>>693074744 It's a democracy, but the organized and dominant parties are privately owned. Anyone can vote for more-or-less anyone, but if you don't get the support of one of the party's along with the exposure and funding that entails, you're unlikely to win.
>>693074811 >He's an unbridled narcissist, with little to no experience, whom has failed in almost every business endeavor he has ever undertaken, except when he was taking advantage of the law to continuously put the american taxpayers on the line for his repeated bankruptcies. He has shown an uncomfortable willingness to quash the press, and has on multiple occasions proven himself to be a callous and terrible individual. Examples include, mocking a disabled reporter, his insistence that John McCain's time as a POW made him a shitty soldier, his support for torture and mass murder of the families of terrorists(both considered war crimes), his hatred towards illegal immigrants; despite his willingness to employ them when it suited him.
Below is all points, the rest is just you geting butthurt
>Failed in almost every business endeavor he has ever undertaken. Examples Bankrupcy is a way to preven total loss of your assets. You divide your company like a pie so when one falls it does not drag down the whole of your empire, only the business that fails dies. This is called mitigating losses. >his insistence that John McCain's time as a POW made him a shitty soldier, That was shit, but he said he prefers soldiers that weren't caught. McCaine is a badass I doubt he cried. >his support for torture and mass murder of the families of terrorists(both considered war crimes) His words were go after, if that means torture to you, then you are a bad man. >his hatred towards illegal immigrants Illegals, who by defination are criminals they are breaking the law. I hate criminals too.
>>693075110 Would you say there ever has been one? I feel like you can make the same stupid claim about democracy, they make about communism. > it's never really been tried
>>693075238 So it's more > no chance to win, no point in trying but actually staying in the race, not regarding the propaganda machine and all that, wouldn't cost him would it? Just to keep his name on the ballot.
>>693075383 donald trump's support for torture http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/06/politics/donald-trump-torture/ Donald Trump on their families "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/ Donald Trump mocking a disabled reporter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA Donald Trump hired illegal immigrants from Poland to construct Trump Tower. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/25/marco-rubio/marco-rubio-says-donald-trump-had-pay-1-million-hi/ His bankruptcies were all do to poor management, and generally the only condition of the settlements was that Trump decrease his involvement.
>>693076702 >donald trump's support for torture I support torture and enhanced methods
>"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families. Every other method has proved remarkably inefficient in preventing terrorism. I knew my son/father was about to do something terrible and I said nothing I would be responsible, same as these.
>Donald Trump mocking a disabled reporter We can't treat everybody evenly now? IT'S 2016! YOU CAN'T TREAT CRIPPLES DIFFERENTLY, WHAT ARE YOU AN ABLE BODIED MALE?! Seriously though, because he's disabled he is immune from being made fun of? >Donald Trump hired illegal immigrants from Poland to construct Trump Tower. So? Hillary sold secrets to Russia, end of the day New York got a nice building, Russia got our state secrets. They were not illegal, they were legal as you can not hire any old illegals to put up a building. >His bankruptcies were all do to poor management, and generally the only condition of the settlements was that Trump decrease his involvement. Out hundreds of business ventures a handful of bleeding-edge businesses went bankrupt? He has a successful media careerer and many hotels and resorts all over the world. His track record of finding people to do things he can not is without fault.
>>693077121 So our current president thought to give the ability to deploy and assemble a nuclear bomb to fanatical tribesmen in a conflict torn area who have very limited concept of radiation, fallout and nucleur holocaust?
>>693078872 As does Israel, all the middle east, the male parts of Europe, Russia and all of Asia. By doing otherwise you weaken your soldiers resolve and increase the risks to your citizenry and their way of life.
>>693079196 We aren't Israel, Russia, Asia, nor Europe. George fucking Washington commanded his army that prisoners of war be treated humanely. Experts say it doesn't work, and it has little support from actual US military members.
>Torture is an unreliable way to get information. If you don't understand why you're too stupid to have political opinions. >Committing war crimes because of your personal assumptive anecdotal bullshit constitutes a total lack of reasoning. You are too stupid to have political opinions. >Why can't a public figure and roll model mock a disabled person? Hmm, I wonder sarcastically. >Do you have a source for this baseless claim? I'd be very interested to see where the Russian connection came from assuming it isn't your asshole. >Bankruptcy isn't really the problem. It's all the fraud allegations. It's constant lies about his net worth. It's the never ending, unabashed, impropriety. Jesus Christ...your existence is a testament to the fact people are stupid as shit.
Before ad-hominen and flowery prose.
>Torture is an unreliable way to get information Against normal people who value their lives, those of their side, of people who reason and logic can still be applied. Against a suicide-cultists the only way you can force information is to deny him paradise and a death worth of entering his afterlife. >Why can't a public figure and roll model mock a disabled person? Why can a public figure and role model mock anybody? Because they enter the public sphere and say something sarcastic that entiltes a response. >Bankruptcy isn't really the problem. It's all the fraud allegations. It's constant lies about his net worth. It's the never ending, unabashed, impropriety. A man lying about how much he is worth is worse than a woman who actively kept top secret information on a private server without a way for civilian oversight to track it and monitor its use and then sell it to Russia, Israel and many others then deleted and wiped clean the Harddrive so nobody could prove it?
>>693079895 Soldiers lose faith in their backstaff if they here they are being soft on people who were shelling them and drowning people en masse, running over them in tanks and worse. They get angry, they get sloppy, they lose faith in their mission, they don't care what happens to that sheep farmer.
>>693079789 Experts agree that it does not work on your or I as we will confess to anything under strain and prolonged stress. But as said above, to certain types of attacker, it does.
>>693080155 W ran a private email server as well, and if you do a quick google search, you'll see that many federal institutions failed to use proper Internet security practices and actually reported being hacked (let alone the ones that never reported). Hillary's email server is a Republican talking point, that's all.
>>693080477 yes they are >unlawful combatants are combatants not following the conventions >ununiformed combatants are lawful if they are fighting in defense against an invasion of the country they reside in or defend the post they are stationed (sleep) at, and unlawful if fighting any other time
>>693080478 The fact she ran one is not an issue, the issue is she stored Top Secret emails, files and corrospondence on it. Then was unable to provide receit of those emails as she had purposefully tampered with them to remove evidence of wrong doing, that is removing Top Secret information.
In this area of National Security swore under all her various gods, hand to heart on under threat of criminal charges, that she understood how secure these were, negligence is not an excuse in these circumstances. Then we find out she actively traded with them?
Your entire statement makes no sense as she was the one that was responsible for them, she and she alone. She was the one that swore to defend them.
>>693080631 The Codes of War do not cover those who engage in hiding amongst civilians, hiding munitions inside hopsital and civilian targets.
>>693080394 (You) >Because certain individuals will not just confess to whatever under torture? Because certain types of uneducated tribesmen are unable to tell a lie if it contradicts the Koran and will endure torture until their will to resist is broken in which case they will tell the truth and die well rather than risk a lie and not enter Paradise.
>>693080824 As mentioned earlier they have yet to be rattified by Congress, we are not bound by them.
>>693081020 Plunge it in to inflation, print more money to devalue the currency then say he can give everybody $15 a hour wage while it is still only worth $4.50 an hour if we are lucky.
>>693079971 yes the US is a signatory to all Geneva Conventions and all but one amendment to the conventions but the way the conventions are worded any signatory of the conventions is considered to be a signatory of their amendments until the signatory breaks a condition of the unsigned amendment
also, signatories of the conventions are to treat all enemy combatants as if they were signatories of the conventions until such time as the enemy combatants violate the conventions even then the signatory may only violate the conventions in a minimal necessary way to effectively combat the nonsignatory combatants
>>693081374 also all signatories are to educate their citizens on the terms of the conventions not just their militaries so all signatories with a public education system are in violation of all Geneva Conventions
>>693081215 > in which case they will tell the truth Or, you know anything you want to hear so that it stops. > implying Muslims don't lie because they won't get into heaven How does that coincide with the whole > all Muslims lie to all infidels all the time Qur'an ideology?
> code of war Are you talking about Palestine? Also, where does it say that?
>>693081374 So if the enemy doesn't play by the rules you get a little wiggle room to keep the upper hand?
Still, I don't see torture being particularly effective as of now. >>693081880 Uh, source?
>>693081687 But only if they don't teach you about it in school?
>>693073918 >We have our own military HAHAHA1 What a joke. >our living standards are already much better than yours Meh, not really. The average swede lives to 81 while the average american lives to 79. Not really something to be bragging about.
>>693080824 Also if the implementation of torture was similiar as what happened at abu ghraib, Bagram, and Guantanamo, then civilian noncombatants can and will be detained indefinitely without trial and tortured. I.e. the murder of Dilawar at Bagram, individuals such as Muhammad Ismail Agha(aged 12) who was tortured at Guantanamo, and Ali Shallal al-Qaisi who was tortured at Abu Ghraib. Torture is a war crime.
All of you millennials who are voting for sanders are only voting for him because you want weed and free college. You don't understand economics and you've never worked a day in your life you've never experienced communist tyranny. Stop smoking weed and get a job.
>>693081880 It did neither of those things. The Bin Laden find was through years of research unrelated to torture, and the files released to Congress by the CIA showed that torture failed to serve any purpose other than as an affront to mankind. https://web.archive.org/web/20141209165504/http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy1.pdf
>>693082642 > got information > must have come from torture Its not like you guys have more than enough intelligence agencies snooping around. > a detained prisoner knows Osama bin ladens position several weeks after he's been detained You really think Osama stays in one place for long?
>>693082183 >So if the enemy doesn't play by the rules you get a little wiggle room to keep the upper hand? yes for instance >occupying a museum with armed forces is a violation of one of the conventions (Amelioration of the Sick and Wounded I believe) >assaulting a museum is also a violation of the same convention >but if a nonsignatory force occupies a museum, a signatory force may assault the museum using the minimally destructive weapons possible to reasonably expect to succeed and not be in violation of the convention
>>693082206 Abu Ghraib was a fucked up situation that fell outside the law Iraqis that broke the law were put in there the conventions do not cover law enforcement or criminal punishment the US had no jurisdiction over the prisoners other than the fact they were occupying Iraq and were preventing Iraq's government to perform basic governmental duties such as law enforcement
>>693083210 it doesn't there is absolutely no way a signatory can justify denying any captured combatant the protections provided by the Geneva Conventions
but the conventions very specifically prohibit trialling prisoners of war
they shouldn't even be in cuba the Convention on the Laws of Land Warfare very clearly state that prisoners of war must be detained in an environment similar to where they were captured so most detainees from Afghanistan should be kept in a high desert (such as western Utah) and most detainees from Iraq should be kept in a barren desert (southern Nevada) or sub-tropical environments (such as the Texan coast)
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