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First dui tonight. In PA. When I asked for a lawyer when pulled

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First dui tonight. In PA. When I asked for a lawyer when pulled out of the car and frisked I was immediately thrown in cuffs. When I asked for a lawyer at the hospital he said I refused blood work.

First offense. How fucked am I?
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>>656778111
Checking my own trips.
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>>656778111
Ten grand or so.
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>>656778111
congratz on your criminal record
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>>656778400
Nice dubs. Time for an hero I guess.
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I feel like the guy whole stole the sink right now.
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Dumb ass.
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>>656778111
if you don't have money it'll be a lot of public work service. not the end of the world. just don't let it happen twice.. and it'll still cost you lik 1-2k over time for this first offense
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>>656778111
Loser
Your parents are proud of you
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Didn't read, post sauce
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>>656778111
That moment when you think you recognize someone in a nude on 4chan... where'd you get that?
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>>656778656
wat
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>>656778111
depends how much you admitted to the police and what tests you took/refused
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>>656778111
checked, to bad man prob has to do that you are black.

>>sauce : http://porn.im.05990a00.13496077.x.xvideos.com/videos/3gp/1/e/1/xvideos.com_1e1040adff48286b0f00fbf6ec1279a4.mp4?e=1449837386&ri=2048&rs=85&h=1cb0ff8f00a4decea73812c167eb546a
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>>656779133
Plus it's really hot
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NY here. 6 month license suspension. $595 fine. $200 court fee.
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>>656779220
>http://porn.im.05990a00.13496077.x.xvideos.com/videos/3gp/1/e/1/xvideos.com_1e1040adff48286b0f00fbf6ec1279a4.mp4?e=1449837386&ri=2048&rs=85&h=1cb0ff8f00a4decea73812c167eb546a


Many thanks.
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why did you get pulled over in the first place? were you speeding, rolling through lights, DUI checkpoint? you can only hope the officer didnt have good probable cause to initiate the stop, maybe that they forgot to perform a test, etc. did you do the field sobriety test, breathalyzer, or what?
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Op here. No sauce. Found on /gif fags.

Some nigger told me 10 grand. Realistically how much am I going to be paying?
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You'll get ARD if it's your first criminal anything. Classes, probation, comm service. Fines will depend on BAC. Lawyers generally font give a fuck about going out of their way for dui offenders since it's such a defined process these days.

You'll be fine dumbass. Pray they don't put it in the paper too.
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>>656779601
OP if you came for help answer these

>>656779512
>>656779194
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>>656778111
Your situation isn't really that bad. Talk to a lawyer before you f it up on the Internet.
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>>656779601
OP are you black? Is USA that racist?
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>>656779512

>follow my pen with your eyes.

>okay anon, I'll bring another officer to administer a blood test is that ok?

>"I want a lawyer"

>turn around you're under arrest.
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PA resident with 2 duis here. Yeah I'm a shitbag.

You'll get hit with a tier 3 for refusal.
On the bright side I think ARD is still an option.
You'll get 6months to a year probation, some community service and some faggot traffic school for 16hrs if you get ARD.
It'll be about 2k out of pocket. Oh and 2 months with no DL.

Without ARD you'll go to jail for 30 to 90 days, a year of probation and a year without a license. Or some shit like that. I had ARD so I'm not 100%.
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>>656778111

And it sounds like your arresting officer is a huge faggot if he says you refused blood work. Wait until the official police report comes back, then get a lawyer. It'll most likely run you 1k for that alone.

What county did this happen in? I got mi e in Franklin, which is the worst one to happen in and the whole process was relatively painless. Just took a while to get it all over with.
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Yeah OP, the lawyer thing doesn't work. He had probable cause to suspect that you were drinking and arrested you for that. When I got my last DUI I took no sobriety test, or blood tests. Before you ask, yes I had a good Lawyer, but the 10 grand I paid just got me out of jail time, didn't expunge it from my record.

What really sucks is every single future employer you will ever come in contact with will see this felony on your record and will use it as a judge of character.
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This is actually the first thread on /b/ that's relatively accurate
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>>656779949
Forgot to mention, ARD gets the dui expunged from your criminal record when you complete the program. It'll still be on your driving record though.

Also, you'll still have gun rights after you're charged, just not while you're on probation. So if you own firearms give them to your mom or dad to lock up while you're on probation. In PA you don't need to any paperwork to legally transfer them to immediate family. After probation you can have them back.
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>>656779942
they only did a field sobriety test then, that is good for you. did they end up taking the blood test at the jail/station? or did you not take one at all? you did the right thing asking for your lawyer
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>>656779942
Should have never submitted to the field test, you completely fucked yourself right there.
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>>656780178

DUIs aren't a fucking felony you dipshit. And if he gets ARD it'll come with the possibility of expungement. Don't stress the guy out more than he is.
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>>656779512

>drop friend off at apartment.

>lot has two exits that both lead to the same one way street.

>pulled out of the "wrong" end of the lot.
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>>656780178
since when is a first time DUI a felony?
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>>656779512
Doesn't matter PA is too slanted against DUI offenders. They'll just say they saw you swerve and the court HAS to take the officers word.

Plus he refused with automatic tier 3 in PA. By signing your license you give up the right to refuse tests.
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>>656780208
to elaborate, if you got out of taking a test completely, you have a much better chance in court. they will probably offer you a plea bargain if you plead not guilty in court, a good lawyer can get you a good plea bargain especially if there was no proof you were DUI, other than the officer's rudimentary flashlight field test
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>>656779942

My DUI class instructor outright said the litmus test is designed to fail people who get field tested. If you get field tested at all really you're up shit creek until a blood test redeems you or fucks you further.
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>>656780381
I love how these bullshit clauses just so happened to be weaseled into agreements like this. I mean yes we signed them, but did the state make take reasonable measures to make sure we read and understood the terms?

>Fuck no
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>>656780309
Rock solid case. Just apply for ARD to go with the motions. No jail time and it'll be expunged from your criminal record when done. Fuck it.
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>>656780309
if its a one way street, how can one "exit" be an entrance? that is something your lawyer can argue against probable cause for the stop in the first place
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>>656780531
Yes, the field test is complete shit. I've failed it 3+ times while stone cold sober. I just ask for a blood test and refuse the field test now.

>I'm a dark Mexican
>I get pulled over a lot
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>>656780649
If the stop was for wrong way on a one way he's fucked regardless.
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>>656780260

NOT submitting to the test would have fucked him. Any kind of refusals at all would have fucked him. Hopefully his arresting officer doesn't actually put that on his report
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Inalienable rights are inalienable.
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>>656778111
Serious question. How drunk were you? Because I have driven with the alcohol before initially think I was just a little buzzed and would be fine but when I safely arrived home I had the distinct feeling I was too drunk to be driving, I have never swerved or had any problems when driving, and I drive a fucking stick. I just arrived home with the feeling I shouldn't have done that. So how fucking plastered do you have to be for it to actually fucking show?
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>>656780722
They're designed to make you fail. DUI = $$$
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Op here again.

>cop takes me to hospital.

>nurses come in.

>cop reads my rights for the first time IN THE HOSPITAL.

>I say I want a lawyer

>he says that automatically resigns me from the blood test.

>drives me home to release me to my roommate because he's a "sober party"

>had about 7 beers in a few hour span.

> maybe I shouldn't have asked for a lawyer?
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>>656780803
great filename
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>>656780722
this, i have friends who have been pulled over totally sober in the day and fail the field test. people get nervous around cops plus factors like uneven terrain
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>>656780858
wait so if you never had a blood test do they even know you were drunk? how could they have gotten your BAC?
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>>656780531
They have you follow the pen so they can get close to your face and smell your breath
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>>656780858
Yeah they don't have to read Miranda until they're officially interviewing you. There's no requirement to read it the second the cuffs come out.
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>>656780858

Lol...this cop is an asshole for handling it this way. If it's your first offense you'll get ARD and life will be relatively painless.
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>>656780992
They don't, but in PA refusing the test is an automatic tier 3 DUI.
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>>656779942
>>656779942

>>656780778
this might be your GOLDEN ticket out of this OP. if you literally only said "I want a lawyer" , and didnt agree to refusing the test, there's a very good argument that can be made that you didnt refuse the blood test. go talk to a lawyer
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>>656781125
Won't work because he left without doing the test.
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Itt: 4chan law offices
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>>656779133
you don't know that girl, gtfo.
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>>656780858

if you didn't blow or take the blood test. the most you'll get is a suspended license and whatever charge you we're pulled over for. as long as you were respectful.
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>>656778111
Depends. If you have at least one witness to you asking for a lawyer, you can walk.
You'll need to pay a lawyer to get it done, or be about double the intelligence level of most people that ask for advice here.
Subpoena the dash cam/body cam with sound. Did anyone witness you refusing blood?

If you can prove your rights were disregarded It's a cake walk with a lawyer.
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Bunch of stupid faggots in this thread.

Ignore basically everything you read in this topic and talk to an actual DUI attorney.
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>>656779220
>http://porn.im.05990a00.13496077.x.xvideos.com/videos/3gp/1/e/1/xvideos.com_1e1040adff48286b0f00fbf6ec1279a4.mp4?e=1449837386&ri=2048&rs=85&h=1cb0ff8f00a4decea73812c167eb546a
dis anon
her name be awesome, because tatas are 10/10s
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>>656778111
hopefully you have a job you plan on staying at for a while
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>>656781104
well if he asked for lawyer that's not necessarily refusing the test, so he can make that argument. if the cop just heard him say he wanted a lawyer then bailed with no test, that's the cops fault
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>>656781419
I served as the floorman on the jury for some kangaroo court trial for a nigger awhile back. The guy had a 6 gram rock of meth in his floor board, 15 grams of weed hidden behind the carpet in his trunk & small zip lock biggies in his pockets.

>Got the case thrown out because of one small mistreatment of his rights by the arresting officers
>I was so certain we were throwing the dude in prison too
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>>656778111
what the fuck is this stupid whore doing?
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>>656781665
Exactly, it's really the arresting officers fault he didn't clarify the situation to the kid.
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>>656781482
theres no such thing as "DUI" attorneys you autistic dumbfuck. theyre just criminal defense attorneys.
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>>656780649
guess he's the back-door man...
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>>656781750

found the virgin
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>>656781703
this is what i'm trying to tell OP. go talk to a DUI attorney, so they can analyze everything that happened and figure out where the officers fucked up
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Fukin noob did u even offer to buy the cop a drink??
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>>656781482
So he should ignore your advice then? It's posted in this thread.
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>>656779942
Why did they pull you over in the first place? Can you explain the shit in more detail you fucking faggot? Are you still drunk?
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>>656781848
plenty of attorneys specialize in literally nothing but DUI defense you autist
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I've passed the field test 4 times in a row while completely shitfaced. The 5th one got me and I had to do the dui program.

You can't drive for a year (but you can get a special work license) and it's only like 2 months long if you lie your ass off at the evaluation. not the end of the world, but it's definitely annoying.
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>>656781848
Actually there are. Attorneys specialize you dumb fuck its a job like being a doctor. You specialize in a certain field
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>>656779133
I know her. She goes to my school.
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>>656781125


I made sure not to say yes or no. None of those words came from my mouth. Only "I want a lawyer" which he described to me is another word for "no".
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>>656780649
This
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>>656781935
4am in PA
Lawyers aren't available, anon just wants to vent.
Chill out, unless you're giving him the 1k for the lawyer.
Not everyone can stash that much $
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http://www.xvideos.com/video12020711/pillow-humping#_tabComments

Y'all have some shit-tier sauce finding skills.
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>>656780722
I have a friend whose the ex military im the fucking king type, joined the police force, and his pick up line is to give a field test to drunk chicks and try and take them home. While actually believing he's saving them and being the good guy....
he has gotten in a lot of trouble doing this, for obvious reason

The thing though..... is that, he has failed chicks that haven't had a sip of alcohol, then he goes all ape shit and usually gets kicked out.

And I honestly, can't tell if the whole fucking field test thing has any science and he was just lying to sleep with chicks or the whole fucking thing is just an act to get people to walk funny in front of the police cruiser so they can say on film see he walks funny!
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>>656781848

It's informal slang. It obviously means an attorney who specializes in DUIs.

You're the autistic one here, complaining about the phrases I use lol.

Face it, most of the advice is bad in this topic. Most of the posters here don't live in Pennsylvania and are unfamiliar with Pennsylvania law, so there is zero reason why they should be acting like a computer chair lawyers. Put a computer screen in front of random assholes and suddenly they're experts on everything. Give me a break.
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>>656782120
Serves you right you piece of shit. I bet all you did at parties was brag to people about how you can pass a sobriety test drunk as fuck and are a great drunk driver.

>I hope you die scum
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>>656778490

>killing yourself because of DUI

lol

its a fucking misdeamenor u fag
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For those of you little tikes who are up and coming in the world. REMEMBER: if it's your first offence, and you're at the station being booked, when the booking officer asks for your social security number, you give them the wrong one.

2 months down the road when you're in court and the judge says "Mr. anonypants, it seems the state has failed to file your paperwork, we are busy today, you are free to go." you will remember me.
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>>656782120

>can't drive for a year
>really annoying

What kind of life do you lead?
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>>656780575
What the fuck is ARD you nigger
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>>656781224
Kek
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>>656782319
Oh when I said I ask for the blood test, I fucked up. I meant I just ask for the breathalyzer right off the bat. It's a lot more efficient and quicker. I wish I had more cop friends.
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>>656780649
Sounds like they designed one specifically for entering and one specifically for exiting, possibly narrow enough only for one car at a time.
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>>656782393
>happened 3 years ago
>i'm back drinking and driving again

Not trying to make you more asshurt. Just saying that I really am a great drunk driver. I wasn't pulled over for driving poorly, it was usually speeding or for having expired tags.

I'm guessing a bad drunk driver ran over your boyfriend or something?
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>>656780778
It's not always a bad idea to refuse the test. It just means they have to bring you in right there, which depending on how much you drank might be enough time for your BAC to drop back down into the legal threshold.
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>>656782468
>immediately got a license that allows you drive
>never had to stop driving

It was annoying to go to the DMV. Also the alcohol classes were annoying. Is that more clear?
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>>656782468
it's a temp license that lets you drive to work. doesn't cost much.
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>>656782744
Whats that m8? Can't hear you over all that juggalo music your playing
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>>656781224
>surprised that criminals would have some idea of how the law works
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>>656782418
Genius until it comes back with someone else's mugshot or someone thats done worse that they're looking for.
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>>656783007
>he drinks alcohol
>must be a juggalo

Alrighty
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>>656782704
yeah but OP said it was a one way street, so how could that be?

either op went wrong way on a one way street, or the cop pulled him for coming out the wrong side of a parking lot. you cant get pulled over for breaking simple rules like that in a private property lot
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>>656782817
OnPoint
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>>656778214
You're not supposed to do that!
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>>656782744
nothing wrong about men who can hold their liquor. laws are always made for the worst common denominator. since a lot of people are fucking retard shitty drivers to begin with
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I god damn hope your jury and cop will fuck you over very well. In fact, I hope this shit goes on your records because drunk drivers are literally on the same category as people who do meth, and in some cases are worse.

I'm happy the laws are getting stricter and worse with the leftists taking over :^)
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>>656778111
You refuse breathalizer or blood test, it's an immediate no contest DUI conviction. Nice work faggot.
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>>656782744
Even if you're a good drunk driver, your reaction times and awareness are going to be absolute shit in the case of someone else on the road fucking up. Even if you yourself drive the speed limit and don't do dumb shit (which I doubt cause most people fucking suck at driving) you're still at a higher risk in the event of someone else crashing into you. Stop being a poor faggot and get an uber/taxi/town car when your shit faced
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>>656779942
Good thing you're not black, you'd be shot in the head twice already.
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>>656783506
I've always looked at it this way, if a kid gets hit by me on the highway at 2am.

The people to blame are the parents.
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>>656778111
I've been stopped while drinking and driving at least 20 times, arrested 4, convicted 3. Best advice I can give you is keep your mouth shut. Cops try to get you to talk so they can claim your speech was slurred. Don't consent to any test. Although that's iffy, some states refusal to consent is worse than your first conviction.

On the other hand if the cop isn't an obvious asshole you might be able to finesse your way out of it. They're mostly looking for people who have warrants, drugs, weapons. If all they have on you is a few drinks and you're not a dickhead they just might let you go.

TLDR; if i have to explain you wouldn't understand
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hire a lawyer and have them review the cops car tape if its true and the interrogation tape too
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>>656783463
go back to 1920 you prohibitionist shill
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>>656783136
>can't understand what anon was getting at
>thinks he's cool for being a "good" drunk driver

FTFY selective comprehension faggot
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>>656780381
Bingo we have a winner, he declined the test by indirectly answering, I want my lawyer, wah wah wah. Hopefully he can fuck it up even further and get himself some house arrest time. Fucking potheads.
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>>656783686
>I've been stopped while drinking and driving at least 20 times, arrested 4, convicted 3.

why are people like you alive?

I honestly wish you die. In a car with your friends who do the same shit.
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>>656782172
beat me to it, anon. well-played.
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>>656783244
You absolutely can be pulled over for that kind of dumb shit, friend of mine got pulled over for a very similar kind of offense.
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>>656783767

I actually can outdrink you very easily. My alcohol tolerance is hilariously high thanks to genetics.

But you know what I DON'T do? Drink AND drive.

Absolutely no justification for drinking and driving. I hope this shit goes on all of your records so you can't get decent jobs :^)
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>>656783506
To be honest with you, I'd rather risk being in the driver's seat while drunk than expect some random uber/taxi/towncar to be able to avoid some shitty driver.

My reaction times aren't bad when drunk, but then again it's not like I'm getting drunk to the point where I can't walk then hopping in the drivers seat.


You're right about most drivers being shit, I just don't agree with how you contradicted yourself by saying I should trust one.
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>>656780560
When you sign an agreement it's your responsibility to understand it. No niggering through, Uh suh, I couldnt read dem big words suh. Fucking niggers.
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>>656783792
You're asshurt, but this much? Why?

Tell me which member of your family was killed by a drunk driver.
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>>656783686
I could drink all day and drive circles around half the people on the road.

>implying that the roads aren't full of stone cold sober people who can't drive worth a fuck
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>>656780937
Yeah, no they don't and no you don't.
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>>656783902
>You absolutely can be pulled over for that kind of dumb shit, friend of mine got pulled over for a very similar kind of offense.

No, you absolutely cannot be pulled over for going out of the "wrong" side of a parking lot or etc.

The officer can, however, notice that you didn't signal, or he can say you touched the line on the road, or just completely make shit up.
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>>656778111
Believe it or not you're better off if you didn't submit to any tests.
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>>656778111
Why would you ask for a lawyer before you were even taken into custody?
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Not reading replies, just gonna tell OP what's up. Are you fucked? Not totally, but it won't be fun. They'll put you on probation and you'll get piss tested, you might spend a weekend in jail. Probably have to attend AA and alcohol awareness classes. Most likely lose your license for awhile. Won't go to prison tho. Just don't fuck up again, multiple duis piss judges off. Once the initial anxiety wears off, you'll be living a normal life with a few inconveniences. Oh, and you'll probably pay a fine and get community service.
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>>656783992
They're actually really easy to get expunged.

Not that it matters. Places don't carer if you've gotten a DUI unless the job involves driving a car or watching kids, neither of which are considered "decent jobs"
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>>656784005
I'm going to put my money on the guy who spends literally all day driving over you being drunk. Judgement is one of the first things to be effected by alcohol so of course you think your reaction times are great. It's why faggots always fight when they get hammered too because they think they're Bruce Lee all of a sudden.

Protip: They're not and your reaction speed is less than it would be otherwise.
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>>656781125
When asked if he would submit to a blood test, he answered I want a lawyer. That's not an implied refusal, it's a direct refusal. You would make a very good dumb lawyer.
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>>656784266
>They're actually really easy to get expunged.

yeah not without tens of thousands of dollars and improper procedure by the police

> Places don't carer if you've gotten a DUI

You've never gotten far enough in life to know what "places" care about. I doubt you make more than $12/hr
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>>656784107
Ok anon, I suppose it was all a fucking dream.
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>>656783902
>>656783902
cops can use a lot of fake pretexts to pull you over, but you have to actually violate state vehicle code to get a citation. did your friend get a ticket for that? state vehicle codes arent generally applicable to private property. OP can have an attorney argue things like "the signs for entrance and exit arent up to state code", etc. OP you really should just pony up for an attorney. it might be pricey at first, but will save you a lot of money, and headaches down the road
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>>656783884
see>>656784099

cant quite manage not to reply to myself but god damnit I can drivvvvvvvveeee..

just kiddin I don't drink and drive any more 4th conviction is certain jailtime...and i dont want to live there cause thats where they keep all the niggers
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>>656783992
great, you can do whatever you want. for the rest of us who can tolerate alcohol in reasonable amounts and drive perfectly fine we'll continue to do so
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>>656784266

Enjoying fighting the courts or dealing with a lawyer after hour money.

Oh and considering how retarded you are to justify drinking and driving, those jobs you mentioned probably pay 2x what you're making now anyways.
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>>656784005
this, i already drive better than 100% of people on the road. ill trust my life to driving fairly intoxicated before i trust some ghetto ass hatian immigrant uber driver who cant even speak english
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>>656784309
I've seen tons of terrible cab drivers, yet I've never been in a car crash.

I'll take my anecdotal evidence and continue to drive myself.

It's clear what you're trying to say, I'm actually quite familiar with alcohol and what it does, but you're just repeating truth commercials at this point. I know myself and what I'm capable of.
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A bartender i know told me she has three Duis. She then crashed her car while drunk and broke a few bones including her rib cage. She spent some time in the hospital. Lucky to be alive i suppose.

Another guy drank at that bar and then ran over a cop killing him. Just some DUI stories
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>>656784379
I make $15 fyi
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>>656784216
why not? the officer was threatening a medical test which OP didnt know the legal ramifications of, and wanted to consult his lawyer. he was well within his rights
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>>656784546
>I've passed the field test 4 times in a row while completely shitfaced.

>completely shitfaced
>can tolerate alcohol in reasonable amounts

You may not pick two
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My hands are shaking from being pissed/anxious but maybe this can help you guys understand.

>left lot
>drive about a mile
>cop lights go on
>ID/registration/proof of insurance
>provided
>asked to step out
>I step out
>"follow my pen with just your eyes anon"
>comply
>"an officer will come to administer a breath test"
>I want a lawyer
>turn around, you're under arrest
>get to hospital
>reads rights
>ask for my consent for blood
>say I want a lawyer.
>cop says that means I won't consent.
>drives me home to "sober party"
>compliments my dog.


Waiting to get my car out of the pound. Life is good.
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>>656784379
Wrong, if you do the dui course, you can get it expunged after completion

Also I make 36/hr as a network admin. My department head makes at least 50/hr and he has gotten 2 DUIs

TLDR: You're a fucking simpleton.
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I had taken out about 40 feet of guardrail once, went off the road, stinking drunk, passed out in a couple of feet of mud, and paid a 500 dollar fine for improper lane usage.

>it all depends on what city you're in and who's your lawyer

>pic unrelated
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>>656784366
if youre on the verge of being within .08 refusing the test is actually smart because you will probably process out the alcohol within the hour it takes them to take you to the jail, get you processed and tested
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>>656780803
Yeah, I wonder too. I've driven pretty drunk on many occasions...
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>>656784691
Said millions of retards before they died because of the one night they were a little past their own false limitations. Can't stop natural selection I guess, have a blast faggot.
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>>656784882
you're quoting the wrong person, friend.

but yea shitfaced doesn't have an objective definition besides it meaning that you're drunk.
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>>656778111
financially and insurance wise, fucked. I know that feel bro and lawyers to attempt to beat it + insurance premiums for anything but a motorcycle are retarded expensive.

legally/militarily/jobwise. no one gives a fuck about misdemeanors and if you aren't a fuck up one black mark won't DQ from military service if you can get an 80+ on the ASVAB

job related any man attempting to hire will probably feel bad for you if you know how to write and can crank up the pathos when explaining your "criminal record" because DUI charges are 99% bullshit. women can be a different story unless she is/was a party gurl/coke whore and also fucked by the cops. some old crone with a MAD bumper sticker will think you're the devil and not realize she is going to hell for her "good intentions"

IRL theft is the only thing that will fuck up your career; white man drug charges/DUI from your college years at the misdemeanor level aren't shit but if you have an adult record for stealing GG every getting a job with a background check.

DUI law is fucking retarded and anyone who says otherwise is a milquetoast faggot/woman. the average man can imbibe double the "legal limit" (which used to be 0.15 when the chicanery that is the breathalyzer was first established, but they weren't making enough money from fines) and walk and drive fine despite your highschool health class saying you should be blacking out and dieing from 4 standard drinks in an hour period. It's all about money and "being tough on crime"

vehicilar manslaughter is already a thing
at fault auto accidents are already a thing
as are civil traffic citations
if anything "being under the influence" should be a MITIGATING factor, not a reason to tack on additional puritanical penalties. What is worse, being drunk and running over a middle schooler or being STONE COLD SOBER and murdering a little girl crossing the street with your vehicle. Charge people with civil and criminal penalties for what they ACTUALLY DO
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>>656778111
What's the writing on the wall behind her?

>Ranger Davy 200
>Peter Ness 100
>Freddy's Sai 490

Are they the porn pantones?
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>>656780858
should have submitted to the test and cooperated with the officer, dumbass

cooperation and respectfulness go a long way
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>>656785106
At least you tried. Been doing it for 10 years and still without crash.

I sincerely wonder what the fatality rates are for the people in this category. I think even a retard could understand that they probably aren't very high.
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>>656785111
Sure we'll say it's another guy anon, and shitfaced is universally known to mean you're completely inebriated. Or are you actually about to start arguing that shitfaced means not drunk just for the sake arguing?
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>>656784266

LOL a refusal in PA is a max tier DUI. He would have gotten off easier if he shit on the cops shoes.

"The final tier is "highest rate of alcohol," and includes those people with a BAC of over .16 percent, those who refuse a blood alcohol test and those operating a vehicle under the influence of a controlled substance (i.e. drugs). "
"For a first offense, there is a mandatory minimum 72 hours in prison and a 12-month license suspension, along with other penalties. If there's a prior DUI, the mandatory minimum sentence is 90 days in jail, and an 18-month license suspension. With two or more prior DUIs, the mandatory minimum is one year in prison."

Faggot is getting jail time. and you won't be getting a max tier expunged
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>>656784882
im not the guy who made the post about passing field tests shitfaced
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>>656785332
Please don't be autistic. I'll find all of my posts if you really want, but I'm just letting you know that you were talking to someone else.

A non-social retard would appreciate this gesture.
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>>656785029
If you refuse in PA it's an IMMEDIATE tier 4 now. You are a faggot.
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>>656781812
He clarified it afterwards when he interviewed him. OP is fucked.
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>>656785375
You can't take the dui course here either if you refuse the test, but if he goes into court and pleads guilty instead of trying to fight it, they'll probably revoke the refusal.

If you fight it and lose, it's still possible to expunge, but it is more expensive.
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I finally sobered up long enough to realize the guilt I would have felt if I had killed or maimed some innocent people.

>i know this /b/ nvrmnd
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>>656784906
hey at least you didnt spend the night in jail with the drunks, he didnt have to drive you home to "sober party". did you ask what you did to get pulled over? you drove a mile on the wrong way? it's still unclear WHY you got pulled over to begin with
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>>656785328
Even a retard could understand that mortality rates among even completely sober people are very fucking high, so of course anyone in your special category of self proclaimed "good drunk drivers" is only going to be higher than you amazing drivers when sober. Your chances of evading an actual retarded drunk driver are reduced when your hammered and that's a simple fact. You can ignore it all you like but I won't go back and forth on the matter when you're clearly set on defending your dumbass decision.
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>>656785701
Yea I didn't get this "sober party" option either. Kept me in jail for 10 hours. I watched 3 of the james bond movies with tweakers, drunk white trash, and hookers.
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>>656785215
>cooperation and respectfulness go a long way, to making sure you get arrested and any possible charges brought against you stick in court
fixed that for you, it's like youve never seen an episode of cops
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>>656785215
no they don't
>did the field sombriety test and was 100% normal
"failed it" because I had unopened beer in my car when pulled over for driving on a flat attempting to get to a gas station in the middle of fucking nowhere at 3am after my phone died calling AAA because I allegedly rolled through a red light jk I was driving on 3 tires and officer shaquonda washington hadn't made her quota
>was respectful and followed all orders, even the unlawful ones
>on video doing a second battery of tests at the station and am 100% articulate, 100% dexterous and mentally competent
>still dealing with this shit

If you've had even one drink and have been asked to leave your vehicle for roadside sombriety tests just lay on the ground face down with your arms behind your back and ask if you are under arrest or free to go. when arrested say NOTHING, literally be silent, and wait until your bonded out to retain an attorney. Fuck them, fuck the system, and fuck MAD. you can beat them if you give them nothing to incriminate you. "he didn't blow" doesn't mean shit in a jury trial with a real lawyer

go fuck yourself m8
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>>656785792
Driving while tired also has high crash rates. Apparently nobody can drive while tired.
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>>656785375
he didn't refuse the blood test though, that TIER 3 penalty is for refusing the test AFTER arrest. OP wasnt arrested yet when he asked for his lawyer, and took the blood test at the hospital after arrest
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>>656785999
Vehicles have killed more people than all wars combined. So yes it's true. Hope you die in your car buddy
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>>656785999
They shouldn't is the point. If your getting in a multiple ton piece hunk of fucking metal and driving at high speeds it's common sense that you should have your wits about you.
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>>656785792
>very fucking high
>30k auto deaths year
>country of 320 million
>10k of those are from "DUI" IE there was any level of alcohol/controlled substance in the bloodwork of any deceased party in a crashed vehicle
yeah, that 0.00003125% of death per year from DUI sure is a "very fucking high" number you fucking cuck
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>>656785958
>"he didn't blow" doesn't mean shit in a jury trial with a real lawyer

Yeah in Pennsylvania it means an immediate no contest max tier DUI. Have fun in jail faggot.
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>>656786206
You're so macho
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>>656786158
When questioned about submitting to tests he replied I want my lawyer. Not answering in the affirmative is a refusal. Any judge is going to know exactly the shit he was trying to pull. It's textbook loophole seeker behavior. The law is clear, any answer but yes is a refusal.
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>>656785492
thats AFTER arrest. anyway, OP, your best bet is getting an attorney who will argue the field sobriety test was administered incorrectly somehow. maybe they didnt spend enough time on you, used too bright a light, made you stand on uneven ground, etc. oh yeah, you can REFUSE field sobriety tests btw.
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>>656786164
I hope someone drives passed a deep puddle and soaks your poncho while you're on your bike riding on the way to a drum circle.

>>656786166
My wits are about me is what I'm saying. Less? Slightly. Not by enough to warrant trusting a random uber guy
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>>656786246
yeah in a jury trial where they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your behavior was indicative of drunk driving, that they didn't fuck themselves on protocol, and that the x y and z of the case isn't in question due to your shark lawyer and his expert witnesses calling the officer in question/breath test operator a braindead thundercunt "hurr he dinit blow bruh" means jack shit.

if OP loses the case he's max fucked, as he is if he pleads guilty. so guess what, you shell out the 4-10k to beat that shit and if the dice are in your favor the state is left with thier dicks in thier hands after 6 pen dutch niggers say you din do nuffin.

fuck off normie
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>>656786383
you're so btfo
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>>656786650
And if you throw 10 grand down the toilet because you wouldn't take the test because you were hopped up on shit that would have fucked you anyway. The cop can tell how he followed you for a mile, while you swerved and swayed, yet he couldn't smell alcohol on you... Yeah he'll do great.Then you refused tests twice...
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>>656786592
>bike
>drum circle
You're so cool.

Do you also perform your own dental work on yourself while under anaesthesia? You can't trust anyone else you say, right. Trusting a random dentist, like who does that? I don't know him.
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>>656786166
>waaaaah driving is scary i could never imagine driving with the worlds most commonplace depressant in my system despite two standard drinks being as bad as driving with no sleep
we get it, you're the kind of bitch nigger who doesn't know how to drive. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to understand speed limits, stop distance, and the size of a vehicle. Or to know how to hold your liquor.

you 12 or something bro? because if you think 2 drinks makes you not cool to drive (what the state says makes you an evil drunk driver ;_:) then you're a teetotaling middle schooler or a 90lb soaking wet faggot.
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>>656786765
Nobody says btfo anymore. You need to upgrade your memes
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>>656786978
I've seen more bad cabbies than bad dentists.

But yea definitely imply that uber drivers have the same training requirement as dentists.

>i need some extra cash, better go do a few root canals.
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>>656784844
>se breathalizer or blood test, it's an immediate no contest DUI conviction.
the legal ramifications are that if you blow over .08 you go to jail... pretty self explanitory
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>>656786925
>hurr i don't know what a police report is
>hurr i don't know what a deposition is
>hurr I don't know how the judicial system works
kiddo plz
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>>656786452
this means shit. supreme court already decided that blood cant be drawn without a warrant or consent for DUI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_v._McNeely
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>>656778111
Hey OhhPeee, I recommend a tube of Astroglide for your weekend in jail. It will make the time go by much easier.
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>>656778111
Shouldn't have been driving drunk you fucking asshole. Luckily for you, drunk drivers who kill people even get less time in jail than a guy who steals a Redbull from a gas station.

Our sentencing procedures are fucked up.
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>>656787219
Have OP post about his fate when it's over. He surrendered the right for consent in his application for a PA drivers license.
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>>656787152
yeah you go to jail for the night. if you submit to the tests and you had alcohol in you, you have medical EVIDENCE against you which will be used to convict you in court. if you refuse the tests, you can get out of a DUI conviction all together. what is so hard to understand?
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>>656787119
There are more bad dentists then good ones. How can you trust them? Dental schools are a dime a dozen. Also, would you let a drunk dentist operate on you? Would you ride with a drunk driver? Is being drunk scientificallly proven to make you dangerous?
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>>656787062
I know how to drive full well dumb fuck and I remember being 21 too. No, I never got into any accidents and I drove over the limit a number of times perfectly fine. It's just common fucking sense that you're at a disadvantage.
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>>656787458
not the guy you replied to, but there are only like 60 dental schools in the country, thats hardly a dime a dozen
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>>656787398
you can revoke consent at any time nigger
>hurr but they will suspend your license for a year
and? better than a 6 month suspension+6month suspension after convicted a year and a half later.

go be an assmad 12 year old someewhere else.
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>>656778111
Well op i hope you read this. You might have gotten fucked because of a no refusal weekend. Its where if they refuse they take em in. You shouldve just blown the breathilizer. Uh not really. But if they did say you refused at the hospital, either a) youre an asshole when your drunk.

You might have to pay for the trip and the hospital stay, its 10k a day to fight it. Dont be a dumbass and do. Get a lawyer and try lowering it or something a fucking dui on record is god awful.

3rd. Dont fucking get behind a wheel when youre drunk. A pi (public intoxication) is worth compared to a dui. Then again its a dui not a dwi.

(Driving under the influence and driving while intoxicated are two different things)
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>>656787408
>if you refuse the tests, you can get out of a DUI conviction all together. what is so hard to understand?

Please learn to read

The final tier is "highest rate of alcohol," and includes those people with a BAC of over .16 percent, >>> those who refuse a blood alcohol test and those operating a vehicle under the influence of a controlled substance (i.e. drugs)
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OP did you get a copy of the citation? what does it say in officer's notes? did they smell alcohol?

read this
http://www.paduiblog.com/pa-dui/guide-motorists-dui-pa/
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>>656787458
Dental School way easier than becoming an uber driver confirmed. Makes total sense.

I wouldn't let a drunk dentist work on me. Why would I get into a car with a drunk driver, when I could just drunkenly drive myself?

We already confirmed most drunk drivers are bad. I'm just not one of them.
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>>656786206
>accounts for 1/3rd of all automobile fatalities
>doesn't think that's a problem

And how many non fatal accidents related to drunk driving? How many seriously injured in drunk driving accidents?
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>>656787458
>this dentist analogy

You're literally going full retard at this point.
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>>656787617
PA doesnt use breathalyzer, they switched to only blood test like 2 years ago

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/01/31/pennsylvania-dui-drunk-driving-breathalyzer/
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>>656787681
So drunk dentists are bad
Drunk drivers are bad
But you drunk makes you good
Dental work requires sobreity as does driving
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with the advent of uber and such, there is no fucking excuse for drinking and driving.

to you assholes saying "hurr durr im better drunk than some uber asshat on his best day", please die in a fire. ask around, you know someone who has lost a family member to a drunk driver. Its pathetic.
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>>656778111
that wall with names of retards that have donated money to this slut... so sad
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>>656787570
Cs get degrees which basically means you didn't learn shit but look at this paper i got
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>>656787651
OP fucked up when he consented to the moving finger test, NEVER consent to the field sobriety tests. There is no legal ramifications for denying them, and once performed the officer can literally lie to say you failed to get you to take the breathalyzer/blood test if he cant drum up any evidence for probable cause elsewhere.
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>>656787739
Drunk driving is full retard
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>>656787687
>automobile fatalities
>a problem
30k out of THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY MILLION WITH AUTOMOBILE FATALITIES DECREASING EACH YEAR AS OUR POPULATION INCREASES
>at fault car accidents
>somehow worse because of the involvement of a depressant/stimulant
>a civil issue magically becoming criminal because of 1918 hold outs

pray tell faggot, why should a non criminal act such as an at fault auto accident suddenly become a misdemeanor defense because someone had 2 beers in thier system from an hour beforehand? Remember, moralistic arguments are fucking retarded and pathological appeals about muh chillun mean jack shit on fucking 4chan.
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>>656787847
I wouldn't let a random person throw a knife at an apple over my head, but I'd let a professional do it.

I'm a professional drunk driver.
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>>656787847
not the guy you replying to, but what is so hard for you to understand? he said he wouldnt trust riding with another drunk driver, only he would drunk drive himself.
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>>656788003
then why do you look more retarded than the retard you're arguing against? your analogy is shit and if you don't realize it, you're retarded.
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>>656778111
Can I have some sauce in this video, please.
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>>656787880
>ask around, you know someone who has lost a family member to a drunk driver. Its pathetic.
literally a scientific impossibility.jpg

you know 3125 people on a first name basis?
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>>656778111
got my first dui, they threw me in cuffs and drove me to the station. tried to make me sign some shit admitting i was drunk, didint sign shit, turns out there was no qualified doctor to take my blood work, all they had was a breathalyzer and the next morning i had okay alcohol bp.

feels good to dodge a bullet, fuck the police
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>>656787975
He followed him for a mile. He had probable cause.
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>>656786164
Someone call Ganghis Kahn, Toyota broke his record.
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>>656788022
this
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>>656788183

hope you learned your lesson, faggot
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>>656788183
this is why you dont ever admit shit OP. NEVER ADMIT GUILT, youre basically doing the prosecutors job when you start blabbing. cops are trained to talk friendly to you, to get you to admit things without you realizing it. just dont talk to police if you find yourself in a DUI situation . you can beat the rap but not the ride
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>>656788236
thats what i was trying to figure out from OP, im guessing OP was a shit driver who was bouncing between lanes or something. they have to have a LEGAL reason to stop you, so somewhere along the way you must have broken a minor traffic infraction, maybe had light burnt out
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>>656779133

Natalia Grey. She's a camgirl on MyFreeCams. Look her up NataliaGrey pillow humping.
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>>656788122
>>656788131
Its people like you allow the deaths of so many ppl from drunk drivers. You have blood on your hands. All of you
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>>656779133

>that moment when

go the fuck back to reddit, and kill yourself while you're there too
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>>656788619
i just hate mentally retarded people making horrible analogies. what does that have to do with drunk driving?
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>>656788619
I wish every member of mothers against drunk driving had to deal with thier under 21 child being thrown into the system they created. If i have to deal with them again I will tell one of those sandy old cunts with a dead kid that their child would have killed himself anyway, dealing with the DUI system they've created. Because I almost did.
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>>656788013
>pray tell faggot, why should a non criminal act such as an at fault auto accident suddenly become a misdemeanor defense because someone had 2 beers in thier system from an hour beforehand?

First of all, we're not talking about 2 beers an hour before hand because you wouldn't be legally drunk in that case unless you're a little faggot manlet (could be the case I don't know).

But jee anon, of the 2 million+ injured in auto accidents I think it's pretty fucking pretinent to know how many of those at fault were wasted.
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>>656788849
Not realizing I'm trolling you faggot. fucking Jesus Christ man
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>>656788236

Op Here.

He pulled me over for the most basic bullshit but I suppose it was legitimate.

>parking lot
>2 exits one left, one right.
>both lead to a 1 way street, which I went up the correct way
>took the "wrong" exit from said lot.

My driving wasn't impaired at all. I don't swerve. I don't speed. He was just looking for anything at all to pull me over at 2 am.
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>>656785189
>if anything "being under the influence" should be a MITIGATING factor
>Charge people with civil and criminal penalties for what they ACTUALLY DO
You chose to get drunk and then drive. You intentionally impaired yourself and then decided it was ok to operate a motor vehicle.
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>>656788583
Thanks.

>>656788636
I fuk ur dad
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>>656778111
Plea and abeyance, they might drop the charge if it's a first offence.
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>>656788955
but your troll logic hasn't changed from your regular retard logic. interesting technique.
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>>656788955
>called out for faggotry
>I was le trolling all along anon hurrr
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>>656789031
OP this is the golden ticket. that is not a valid reason to initiate a traffic stop, you are lucky. go see an attorney. you should be optimistic.
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>>656788952
>2 beers an hour before hand because you wouldn't be legally drunk
A. yes you would. 2 bottles for a woman, two pints for a man. yeah you're fucking fine but gg the law says you're the devil; thank you sandy old cunts who think the 21st amendment is the worst thing ever.

>injured
who

cares

>hurr how many
and why does the civil legal system of lawsuits and insurance magically not take care of muh two gorillion? because it does as it stands but a NOT AT FAULT ACCIDENT WHERE SOMEONE ELSE HITS YOU if you have any bac level is magically YOUR FAULT NOT THE OFFENDING DRIVERS because "hurr u drunk enjoy jail satan!"

fuck off kiddo.
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>>656789038
when im 6 beers in an hour buzzed, im impaired down to being a better driver than 99% of drivers on the road
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>>656789438
>kiddo
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>>656781011
nah you are wrong as shit. The test is to see how your eyes respond to light for drugs while at the same time seeing if you are composed enough to listen to the instructions and FOLLOW THE LIGHT WITH YOUR EYES. Not your head. Keep your head still. If you shake your head left and right like a drunk idiot then its obvious
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>>656789549
Yeah I'll take your word for that, doesn't sound like boisterous bullshit at all.
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>>656789038
>drink and consent to sex
>u were raped
>drunk and consent to driving
>U CHOSE TO DRIVE

if alcohol impairs me to the point where I can't make ration decisions, then how can I be held criminally liable for said decisions? (civil and mental health related issues being entirely separate)

If alcohol doesn't remove my ability to make rational decisions, then how is the act of "impaired driving" criminal when i am entirely in control of my faculties and have committed nothing wrong besides whatever civil traffic infraction/unconstitutional DUI stop?
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>>656788583
huh...her usual floppy tits don't look so bad in this...and you can't see that big ol mole she's got....didn't recognize her.
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>>656789792
then i suppose you wouldnt be too scared for an old fashioned DRIVE OFF, would you? put your money where your mouth is
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>>656789702
if you dont refuse those tests you're an idiot. that test is literally what gives them the legal right to escalate to breathalyzer/blood test. if you arent driving all over the place, your car doesnt smell like alcohol, and you dont submit to their field test, there is literally nothing they can do but issue you a citation for whatever infraction they used as a reason to pull you over. you just have to stand up for yourself, cops bank on the intimidation factor to bend you to their every will
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>>656789831
>if alcohol impairs me to the point where I can't make ration decisions, then how can I be held criminally liable for said decisions?
Because getting drunk was a rational decision. You chose to get drunk, so therefore everything you do as a consequence of getting drunk is part of that choice.

>If alcohol doesn't remove my ability to make rational decisions, then how is the act of "impaired driving" criminal
Because "rational decisions" has nothing to do with road awareness, reaction time and precision.
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>>656789981
I have nothing to prove to you. You're the one claiming to be such a fantastic driver while drunk.
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>>656778111
Cop here.

Never submit to giving a breath sample. Force them to get a blood draw warrant.

Try to drink water and eat something if you can. They'll probably prevent this tho.

If they get a blood draw warrant, don't fuck around. Let them draw the blood. The last guy who tried to refuse to let the nurse draw the blood ended up getting tased.

Protip: keep a bottle of cheap vodka unopened in your car. If you're stopped and you're sure to get arrested then as soon as you come to a stop, drop the keys outside the car in clear view. grab the vodka and stick it and both tour hands out the window so the cop can see what you're holding. Open the car door and slowly step out facing the patrol car. Close the door behind you. In clear view of the in-car camera break the seal of the vodka and start chugging.

Then you can claim you didn't get drunk until after you parked the car. Worst you can get is a Public Intoxication which is usually just a ticket. A lot cheaper than a DWI/DUI.
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>>656790888
Also, STFU.. Don't say a fucking word to them when they ask you questions. Get a lawyer. Demand a lawyer if they question you.
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>>656778111
LOL bro PA here

this state is fucking corrupt as fuck literally had some judge in my city getting paid to put kids in juvy for littering charges
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>>656791024
>literally had some judge in my city getting paid to put kids in juvy for littering charges
Source? That sounds insane.
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>>656790725
>took this long to cobble together an "argument"
if alcohol magically impairs me to the point where my actions are not my own, then from the first drink i was "out of control and each drink wasn't a rational decision", coming from your entirely moralistic argument that imbibing of any "drug" is bad M'kay. If I can choose to drink then how am I not in control?

>hurr mental health
then keep the penalty civil and require the individual to go through a drug rehab program/therapy to reestablish thier license, seeing as driving is a "privilege" and driving infractions are civil penalties.
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>>656790888
lol. opening your door and getting out of the vehicle with foreign objects in your hands without being directed by an officer after being pulled over is a sure way to get ventilated with 16 rounds of +P 9mm
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You don't get a lawyer till you're in holding. They don't need you to talk anyway so you still won't need a lawyer till your court date. Have you never watched cops? You drumstick
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>>656789031
and yet followed you for a mile before he pulled you over, or did it take you a mile to realize the lights were on you stoned faggot?
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>>656790888
>film yourself chugging
ftfy

unless you can prove they have a vehicle/body camera they'll bullshit you and your attorney. My arresting officer and the 2 cop cars on scene magically didn't have vehicle cameras to show that my roadside sombriety test was 100% normal, IE disproving every bullshit thing the arresting officer wrote in her report and deposition. luckily the nigger still fucked up and I hired an expert to drag he over the coals over it but fuck da police.
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>>656791277
>if alcohol magically impairs me to the point where my actions are not my own
>where my actions are not my own
Never go full retard.

>If I can choose to drink then how am I not in control?
You're in control which is why you're held accountable for your self-induced physical impairment.

>hurr mental health
What the fuck are you even talking about? Mental health has nothing to do with this.
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>>656788889
You should have, then we wouldn't have to hear you crying about the consequences of breaking the law. Faggot
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>>656791385
Yeah it's risky but if you move slowly and don't hide what you're doing you should be alright.
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>>656791385
>don't be black
>implying a 2 liter bottle of vodka and being an asshole looks like a dude with a gun.
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>>656791658
Actually that's a good idea. Film yourself chugging the vodka. And lock your phone with a code or something.
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>>656790207
They don't need a reason to escalate. If they suspect you're impaired for any reason it is their public DUTY to apprehend you and administer testing.
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>>656791663
>hurr alcohol means you are impaired but you can still choose to drive but not choose to consent to sex or signing a legal document
>i don't understand that addiction is an issue of mental health and current systems to "rehabilitate" "hurr ebil dui satanz!" have them go through a psychological exam/rehab system.

do you have anything that isn't a 95 year old moral argument against "da debilz drink!"?
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Hawaii supreme court jut ruled the forced prison time for refuseing blood work is illegal vs our rights get a good lawyer may be able to fight it. Lawyer that won in hawaii was Johnathan Burge if you wanna look up the case. Good luck anon
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>>656791024
Little fuckers shouldn't be littering.
By kids, do you mean you? I think you do .
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>>656791385
He should paint the bottle to look like a grenade first, cops love grenades. No fucking way is that retard a cop. lmao
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>>656791997
their suspicions have to be based on evidence, which they can articulate. this is called probable cause. refusing their test is not probable cause. smelling like alcohol is probable cause.
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>>656791024
Fucking niggers should put their trash in the can like everyone else.
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>>656792320
But... If you haven't been drinking then who cares? Takes a whole five seconds
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>>656792029
>addiction
>consent to sex
>sign legal document
Why do you keep bringing up completely irrelevant issues?

Physical impairment from intoxication has nothing to do with mental health, it's just science. Alcohol is a depressant, it slows you down. Simple fact.
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>>656792320
I wish stupidity was immediately terminal.
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>>656792532
because it's important to teach cops the limits of their power. a lot of them think they can do whatever they want, that they determine the laws, and they are judge and jury. just tell them it's your right to refuse, and if they aren't detaining for anything you'd like to be on your way
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>>656791223
OP is back to explain how fucked up PA is.

This was called the "cash for kids" scandal.

Judge Civarella, aka a piece of shit sent kids to jail for nothing.

Some poor kid did 3 months for taking change from a cup holder of a car.
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>>656792827
>Some poor kid did 3 months for taking change from a cup holder of a car.
Good, hopefully he took some dick in the ass while he was in for it. Might as well start these niggers in the system as soon as possible.
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>>656792827
OP did you read this shit or not

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2013/01/31/pennsylvania-dui-drunk-driving-breathalyzer/

i think youre gonna be fine, this will just be a slight pain in the ass because you will have to get an attorney but you shouldnt suffer any real consequences
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>>656792626
average human visual reaction time is half a second

thats average, meaning that 50% of people are above/below this number

BAC and VRT are unrelated values. why are you bringing up completely irrelevant issues?

say we made the arbitrary number of 700 milliseconds the cutoff for "DUI" with a "sober" control test for those who failed just in case they really were clods. would you agree or disagree this would be a better system then the pseudoscientific idea that bac has any relation to intoxication? If yes, then we agree the current system is bullshit. If no, then you are a milquetoast teetotaling prohibitionist cuck who doesn't care about "intoxication" or "impairment" but wants to arbitrarily punish those who don't agree to your narrow ideals. which is it
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>>656778111
Not fucked. You did the right thing. You shut your face and asked for a lawyer/ attorney. You didn't surrender any fluids or breathalyzer, so there is no evidence. Keep fighting!
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>>656792825
If a cop does something illegal tell the judge and the case gets thrown out b
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>>656793119
Good. Nigger behavior should be met with nigger consequences
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>>656792827
Theft isn't nothing . no excuse for nigger behavior
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>>656782744
>2015
>bragging about drunk driving
High school was years ago friend, no ones is impressed anymore.
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>>656793817
He probably hasn't even sat in the drivers seat
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>>656793281
>average human visual reaction time is half a second
That's the amount of time for any response, says nothing about how long it takes to process visual data and decide on a course of action, how long that course of action takes, how accurately it is executed and how appropriate it is to the situation.

>BAC and VRT are unrelated values
What?
http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/content/85/3/401.full.pdf

>say we made the arbitrary number yada yada yada
No, that's still shit. Yes the system is imperfect and widely abused. No, you're still a fucking retard for insisting you should be permitted to drive drunk.
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>>656793817
I don't think you know what bragging is, but at least it's not your fault that you're socially retarded.

>hey i got a new dog
>"stop bragging already you're not the only one with a dog"
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>>656783530
JDL detected fuck off kike
Your internet conditioning is not welcome here
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Hot vid same thing happens to me, refusing blood revokes your license for a year. I settled for negligent driving, they had a video for trial and I was not sure if I looked fucked up. No field test, no blood, you're golden pal better call saul
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>>656783663
Use that defense in a courtroom, it's sure to make sense to a judge or jury.
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>>656794202
>all this butthurt
Someone hit a nerve
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>>656794447
>social awkwardness intensifies
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>>656778111
Its a dui. Its not that big a deal. You will probably only get some fines and maybe a few months jail time. You can probably plea down anyway.
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>>656794614
>social awkwardness
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Sauce on vid?
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>>656793993
>visual reaction time isn't visual reaction time
>hurr but alcohol affects reaction time
and people who aren't evolutionary regects like you will still come in under the mark if we tested ability instead of blood alcohol content that has nothing to do with impairment besides "but da a 87lb woman with a bac of .08 can't pass a roadsie sombriety test bruh"
>driving drunk
kek, implying implications. the legal value of "drunk" and intoxication/impairment are completely unrelated.
>hurr driving drunk
no one gets pulled over for "driving drunk"
like ever
>hurr being intoxicated magically makes it worse to do _____ that will get you pulled over
only because a $50 ticket becomes a $500-$1000 charge for the department to tack on to the revenue they've generated for your county, which is used to decide their depatment budget. It's a racket m8
>hurr drinking makes vehicular manslaughter worse than.... vehicular manslaughter
killing your wife for fucking a dude on the side doesn't make it not murder, being drunk doesn't make it not vehicular manslaughter; where in our legal system are there mitigating circumstances that make a crime WORSE besides DUI due to the drug war and 1920's shrews?
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>>656786206
>liberal fact twisting
>"30k is not a high number"
>still defending drunk driving
Is this real life?
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>>656795051
0.00003125%

go be retarded and reactionary somewhere else. look up your chances of winning the lottery, getting struck by lightning, getting attacked by a bea and a polar bear in the same day, etc.
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>>656794983
>will still come in under the mark if we tested ability
What mark?

>instead of blood alcohol content that has nothing to do with impairment
Decades of science has thoroughly proven you wrong.

>the legal value of "drunk" and intoxication/impairment are completely unrelated
While the value may be arbitrary any amount of alcohol will lead to some impairment.

>no one gets pulled over for "driving drunk"
>like ever
Are you drunk right now, or are you really this oblivious?

>It's a racket m8
Yes, bad cops have a habit of turning policing efforts into rackets. Doesn't mean there wasn't a good reason for the policing in the first place, it just means that particular department is dogshit.

>hurr drinking makes vehicular manslaughter worse than.... vehicular manslaughter
It's the difference between an honest accident and knowingly being reckless and increasing the odds of said accident.
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>>656795051
I think this is the same guy who dismissed injuries as "who cares"
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>>656778111
As long as you kept your mouth shut you should be fine. Asking for a lawyer is not a refusal. But be prepared to drop a few grand to keep the shit off your record and to keep your driving privilege. Now they have zero physical evidence you are merely contesting the refusal. Wait 7-14 days as most PD's purge their video. You have 30 days for discovery. After the 7 - 14 days file for discovery on your charges. More than likely they will not be able to provide the requested evidence. Effectively killing their case. They will then try to get you to plead guilty.
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>>656795220
>more liberal fact twisting and dancing around the real issue
>throwing numbers and percentages around to make drunk driving deaths look insignificant
>STILL defending drunk driving
Drink the Kool-Aid
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>>656795681
>hurr sure you can test at 300ms but u blew a .13 ur going to jail m8
>bac having any correlation with impairment
you do understand that A. people have different tolerance levels and B. people develop resistance to drugs... right? right? you took basic health... yes?
>really thinking anyone is pulled over for "hur u were swerving bruh" and not tail lights, speeding, rolling stops, etc. that become DUIs when quota cops want to shore up numbers
>yes traffic cops being responsible for 100% of "DUIs" and all other bullshit infractions but hurr we have to do something ;_;
>an honest accident
>the cause of death matters because i think being a shit driver like me is ok but if someone drinks and causes a vehicular manslaughter like me is totally different!
how about we stop people like you from driving instead? or just cull you since you're so evolutionarily inferior that your reaction time, alcohol tolerance, etc. is so poor?

>>656796388
>ok with driving drowsy but thinks driving with alcohol in your system is evil
>thinks that minor traffic infractions while drunk make you the devil
>you can't consent to sex, sign contracts, etc. but HURR U CHOSE TO DRIVE
>still defending traffic cops and quota systems for traffic infractions
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>>656782270
thanks anon
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>>656778111
Depends if your first offence or not. Also you refused blood work so you will be fucked for a bit. But use uber next time. Saves your ass.
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>>656778111
sauce plz
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I've had 2 dui's and none of them are on my record.

When I got my first DUI, I didn't have a job at the time.

When I got my 2nd one, it was 3 days before my bday.

None of them are on my record.

Don't ask me how I did it. I don't even know.
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>>656779220
>>656779319
it just opens up nothing... wtf
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>>656782270
>http://www.xvideos.com/video12020711/pillow-humping#_tabComments
thank you based anon
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>>656796666
>maximum liberal fact twisting
>wildly drawn out comparisons attempting to justify their own personal practices
>defending drunk driving for eternity
Not to worry, Champ. One day some old bastard shithoused on McGillicuddy's is going to jump the curb and sever your spinal cord, leaving you to shit in a bag and eat through a tube until you die from infections resulting from sitting in your neat little robot chair too long. Then the irony will set in.
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>>656797567
as long as I win my state lottery first, since thats more likely you sandy cunted old bag. your kid is up in heaven calling you a bitch, waiting for you to die so you can burn in hell for the laws you've supported in "his memory" to ruin the lives of those in the same position that he was.
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