why did you get pulled over in the first place? were you speeding, rolling through lights, DUI checkpoint? you can only hope the officer didnt have good probable cause to initiate the stop, maybe that they forgot to perform a test, etc. did you do the field sobriety test, breathalyzer, or what?
You'll get ARD if it's your first criminal anything. Classes, probation, comm service. Fines will depend on BAC. Lawyers generally font give a fuck about going out of their way for dui offenders since it's such a defined process these days.
You'll be fine dumbass. Pray they don't put it in the paper too.
You'll get hit with a tier 3 for refusal. On the bright side I think ARD is still an option. You'll get 6months to a year probation, some community service and some faggot traffic school for 16hrs if you get ARD. It'll be about 2k out of pocket. Oh and 2 months with no DL.
Without ARD you'll go to jail for 30 to 90 days, a year of probation and a year without a license. Or some shit like that. I had ARD so I'm not 100%.
And it sounds like your arresting officer is a huge faggot if he says you refused blood work. Wait until the official police report comes back, then get a lawyer. It'll most likely run you 1k for that alone.
What county did this happen in? I got mi e in Franklin, which is the worst one to happen in and the whole process was relatively painless. Just took a while to get it all over with.
Yeah OP, the lawyer thing doesn't work. He had probable cause to suspect that you were drinking and arrested you for that. When I got my last DUI I took no sobriety test, or blood tests. Before you ask, yes I had a good Lawyer, but the 10 grand I paid just got me out of jail time, didn't expunge it from my record.
What really sucks is every single future employer you will ever come in contact with will see this felony on your record and will use it as a judge of character.
>>656779949 Forgot to mention, ARD gets the dui expunged from your criminal record when you complete the program. It'll still be on your driving record though.
Also, you'll still have gun rights after you're charged, just not while you're on probation. So if you own firearms give them to your mom or dad to lock up while you're on probation. In PA you don't need to any paperwork to legally transfer them to immediate family. After probation you can have them back.
>>656779942 they only did a field sobriety test then, that is good for you. did they end up taking the blood test at the jail/station? or did you not take one at all? you did the right thing asking for your lawyer
>>656780208 to elaborate, if you got out of taking a test completely, you have a much better chance in court. they will probably offer you a plea bargain if you plead not guilty in court, a good lawyer can get you a good plea bargain especially if there was no proof you were DUI, other than the officer's rudimentary flashlight field test
My DUI class instructor outright said the litmus test is designed to fail people who get field tested. If you get field tested at all really you're up shit creek until a blood test redeems you or fucks you further.
>>656780381 I love how these bullshit clauses just so happened to be weaseled into agreements like this. I mean yes we signed them, but did the state make take reasonable measures to make sure we read and understood the terms?
>>656778111 Serious question. How drunk were you? Because I have driven with the alcohol before initially think I was just a little buzzed and would be fine but when I safely arrived home I had the distinct feeling I was too drunk to be driving, I have never swerved or had any problems when driving, and I drive a fucking stick. I just arrived home with the feeling I shouldn't have done that. So how fucking plastered do you have to be for it to actually fucking show?
>>656780778 this might be your GOLDEN ticket out of this OP. if you literally only said "I want a lawyer" , and didnt agree to refusing the test, there's a very good argument that can be made that you didnt refuse the blood test. go talk to a lawyer
>>656778111 Depends. If you have at least one witness to you asking for a lawyer, you can walk. You'll need to pay a lawyer to get it done, or be about double the intelligence level of most people that ask for advice here. Subpoena the dash cam/body cam with sound. Did anyone witness you refusing blood?
If you can prove your rights were disregarded It's a cake walk with a lawyer.
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>>656781104 well if he asked for lawyer that's not necessarily refusing the test, so he can make that argument. if the cop just heard him say he wanted a lawyer then bailed with no test, that's the cops fault
>>656781419 I served as the floorman on the jury for some kangaroo court trial for a nigger awhile back. The guy had a 6 gram rock of meth in his floor board, 15 grams of weed hidden behind the carpet in his trunk & small zip lock biggies in his pockets.
>Got the case thrown out because of one small mistreatment of his rights by the arresting officers >I was so certain we were throwing the dude in prison too
>>656780722 I have a friend whose the ex military im the fucking king type, joined the police force, and his pick up line is to give a field test to drunk chicks and try and take them home. While actually believing he's saving them and being the good guy.... he has gotten in a lot of trouble doing this, for obvious reason
The thing though..... is that, he has failed chicks that haven't had a sip of alcohol, then he goes all ape shit and usually gets kicked out.
And I honestly, can't tell if the whole fucking field test thing has any science and he was just lying to sleep with chicks or the whole fucking thing is just an act to get people to walk funny in front of the police cruiser so they can say on film see he walks funny!
It's informal slang. It obviously means an attorney who specializes in DUIs.
You're the autistic one here, complaining about the phrases I use lol.
Face it, most of the advice is bad in this topic. Most of the posters here don't live in Pennsylvania and are unfamiliar with Pennsylvania law, so there is zero reason why they should be acting like a computer chair lawyers. Put a computer screen in front of random assholes and suddenly they're experts on everything. Give me a break.
For those of you little tikes who are up and coming in the world. REMEMBER: if it's your first offence, and you're at the station being booked, when the booking officer asks for your social security number, you give them the wrong one.
2 months down the road when you're in court and the judge says "Mr. anonypants, it seems the state has failed to file your paperwork, we are busy today, you are free to go." you will remember me.
>>656780778 It's not always a bad idea to refuse the test. It just means they have to bring you in right there, which depending on how much you drank might be enough time for your BAC to drop back down into the legal threshold.
>>656782704 yeah but OP said it was a one way street, so how could that be?
either op went wrong way on a one way street, or the cop pulled him for coming out the wrong side of a parking lot. you cant get pulled over for breaking simple rules like that in a private property lot
I god damn hope your jury and cop will fuck you over very well. In fact, I hope this shit goes on your records because drunk drivers are literally on the same category as people who do meth, and in some cases are worse.
I'm happy the laws are getting stricter and worse with the leftists taking over :^)
>>656782744 Even if you're a good drunk driver, your reaction times and awareness are going to be absolute shit in the case of someone else on the road fucking up. Even if you yourself drive the speed limit and don't do dumb shit (which I doubt cause most people fucking suck at driving) you're still at a higher risk in the event of someone else crashing into you. Stop being a poor faggot and get an uber/taxi/town car when your shit faced
>>656778111 I've been stopped while drinking and driving at least 20 times, arrested 4, convicted 3. Best advice I can give you is keep your mouth shut. Cops try to get you to talk so they can claim your speech was slurred. Don't consent to any test. Although that's iffy, some states refusal to consent is worse than your first conviction.
On the other hand if the cop isn't an obvious asshole you might be able to finesse your way out of it. They're mostly looking for people who have warrants, drugs, weapons. If all they have on you is a few drinks and you're not a dickhead they just might let you go.
TLDR; if i have to explain you wouldn't understand
>>656780381 Bingo we have a winner, he declined the test by indirectly answering, I want my lawyer, wah wah wah. Hopefully he can fuck it up even further and get himself some house arrest time. Fucking potheads.
Not reading replies, just gonna tell OP what's up. Are you fucked? Not totally, but it won't be fun. They'll put you on probation and you'll get piss tested, you might spend a weekend in jail. Probably have to attend AA and alcohol awareness classes. Most likely lose your license for awhile. Won't go to prison tho. Just don't fuck up again, multiple duis piss judges off. Once the initial anxiety wears off, you'll be living a normal life with a few inconveniences. Oh, and you'll probably pay a fine and get community service.
>>656784005 I'm going to put my money on the guy who spends literally all day driving over you being drunk. Judgement is one of the first things to be effected by alcohol so of course you think your reaction times are great. It's why faggots always fight when they get hammered too because they think they're Bruce Lee all of a sudden.
Protip: They're not and your reaction speed is less than it would be otherwise.
>>656783902 >>656783902 cops can use a lot of fake pretexts to pull you over, but you have to actually violate state vehicle code to get a citation. did your friend get a ticket for that? state vehicle codes arent generally applicable to private property. OP can have an attorney argue things like "the signs for entrance and exit arent up to state code", etc. OP you really should just pony up for an attorney. it might be pricey at first, but will save you a lot of money, and headaches down the road
>>656784005 this, i already drive better than 100% of people on the road. ill trust my life to driving fairly intoxicated before i trust some ghetto ass hatian immigrant uber driver who cant even speak english
My hands are shaking from being pissed/anxious but maybe this can help you guys understand.
>left lot >drive about a mile >cop lights go on >ID/registration/proof of insurance >provided >asked to step out >I step out >"follow my pen with just your eyes anon" >comply >"an officer will come to administer a breath test" >I want a lawyer >turn around, you're under arrest >get to hospital >reads rights >ask for my consent for blood >say I want a lawyer. >cop says that means I won't consent. >drives me home to "sober party" >compliments my dog.
Waiting to get my car out of the pound. Life is good.
>>656784366 if youre on the verge of being within .08 refusing the test is actually smart because you will probably process out the alcohol within the hour it takes them to take you to the jail, get you processed and tested
>>656778111 financially and insurance wise, fucked. I know that feel bro and lawyers to attempt to beat it + insurance premiums for anything but a motorcycle are retarded expensive.
legally/militarily/jobwise. no one gives a fuck about misdemeanors and if you aren't a fuck up one black mark won't DQ from military service if you can get an 80+ on the ASVAB
job related any man attempting to hire will probably feel bad for you if you know how to write and can crank up the pathos when explaining your "criminal record" because DUI charges are 99% bullshit. women can be a different story unless she is/was a party gurl/coke whore and also fucked by the cops. some old crone with a MAD bumper sticker will think you're the devil and not realize she is going to hell for her "good intentions"
IRL theft is the only thing that will fuck up your career; white man drug charges/DUI from your college years at the misdemeanor level aren't shit but if you have an adult record for stealing GG every getting a job with a background check.
DUI law is fucking retarded and anyone who says otherwise is a milquetoast faggot/woman. the average man can imbibe double the "legal limit" (which used to be 0.15 when the chicanery that is the breathalyzer was first established, but they weren't making enough money from fines) and walk and drive fine despite your highschool health class saying you should be blacking out and dieing from 4 standard drinks in an hour period. It's all about money and "being tough on crime"
vehicilar manslaughter is already a thing at fault auto accidents are already a thing as are civil traffic citations if anything "being under the influence" should be a MITIGATING factor, not a reason to tack on additional puritanical penalties. What is worse, being drunk and running over a middle schooler or being STONE COLD SOBER and murdering a little girl crossing the street with your vehicle. Charge people with civil and criminal penalties for what they ACTUALLY DO
>>656785111 Sure we'll say it's another guy anon, and shitfaced is universally known to mean you're completely inebriated. Or are you actually about to start arguing that shitfaced means not drunk just for the sake arguing?
LOL a refusal in PA is a max tier DUI. He would have gotten off easier if he shit on the cops shoes.
"The final tier is "highest rate of alcohol," and includes those people with a BAC of over .16 percent, those who refuse a blood alcohol test and those operating a vehicle under the influence of a controlled substance (i.e. drugs). " "For a first offense, there is a mandatory minimum 72 hours in prison and a 12-month license suspension, along with other penalties. If there's a prior DUI, the mandatory minimum sentence is 90 days in jail, and an 18-month license suspension. With two or more prior DUIs, the mandatory minimum is one year in prison."
Faggot is getting jail time. and you won't be getting a max tier expunged
>>656784906 hey at least you didnt spend the night in jail with the drunks, he didnt have to drive you home to "sober party". did you ask what you did to get pulled over? you drove a mile on the wrong way? it's still unclear WHY you got pulled over to begin with
>>656785328 Even a retard could understand that mortality rates among even completely sober people are very fucking high, so of course anyone in your special category of self proclaimed "good drunk drivers" is only going to be higher than you amazing drivers when sober. Your chances of evading an actual retarded drunk driver are reduced when your hammered and that's a simple fact. You can ignore it all you like but I won't go back and forth on the matter when you're clearly set on defending your dumbass decision.
>>656785215 >cooperation and respectfulness go a long way, to making sure you get arrested and any possible charges brought against you stick in court fixed that for you, it's like youve never seen an episode of cops
>>656785215 no they don't >did the field sombriety test and was 100% normal "failed it" because I had unopened beer in my car when pulled over for driving on a flat attempting to get to a gas station in the middle of fucking nowhere at 3am after my phone died calling AAA because I allegedly rolled through a red light jk I was driving on 3 tires and officer shaquonda washington hadn't made her quota >was respectful and followed all orders, even the unlawful ones >on video doing a second battery of tests at the station and am 100% articulate, 100% dexterous and mentally competent >still dealing with this shit
If you've had even one drink and have been asked to leave your vehicle for roadside sombriety tests just lay on the ground face down with your arms behind your back and ask if you are under arrest or free to go. when arrested say NOTHING, literally be silent, and wait until your bonded out to retain an attorney. Fuck them, fuck the system, and fuck MAD. you can beat them if you give them nothing to incriminate you. "he didn't blow" doesn't mean shit in a jury trial with a real lawyer
>>656785375 he didn't refuse the blood test though, that TIER 3 penalty is for refusing the test AFTER arrest. OP wasnt arrested yet when he asked for his lawyer, and took the blood test at the hospital after arrest
>>656785792 >very fucking high >30k auto deaths year >country of 320 million >10k of those are from "DUI" IE there was any level of alcohol/controlled substance in the bloodwork of any deceased party in a crashed vehicle yeah, that 0.00003125% of death per year from DUI sure is a "very fucking high" number you fucking cuck
>>656786158 When questioned about submitting to tests he replied I want my lawyer. Not answering in the affirmative is a refusal. Any judge is going to know exactly the shit he was trying to pull. It's textbook loophole seeker behavior. The law is clear, any answer but yes is a refusal.
>>656785492 thats AFTER arrest. anyway, OP, your best bet is getting an attorney who will argue the field sobriety test was administered incorrectly somehow. maybe they didnt spend enough time on you, used too bright a light, made you stand on uneven ground, etc. oh yeah, you can REFUSE field sobriety tests btw.
>>656786246 yeah in a jury trial where they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your behavior was indicative of drunk driving, that they didn't fuck themselves on protocol, and that the x y and z of the case isn't in question due to your shark lawyer and his expert witnesses calling the officer in question/breath test operator a braindead thundercunt "hurr he dinit blow bruh" means jack shit.
if OP loses the case he's max fucked, as he is if he pleads guilty. so guess what, you shell out the 4-10k to beat that shit and if the dice are in your favor the state is left with thier dicks in thier hands after 6 pen dutch niggers say you din do nuffin.
>>656786650 And if you throw 10 grand down the toilet because you wouldn't take the test because you were hopped up on shit that would have fucked you anyway. The cop can tell how he followed you for a mile, while you swerved and swayed, yet he couldn't smell alcohol on you... Yeah he'll do great.Then you refused tests twice...
>>656786166 >waaaaah driving is scary i could never imagine driving with the worlds most commonplace depressant in my system despite two standard drinks being as bad as driving with no sleep we get it, you're the kind of bitch nigger who doesn't know how to drive. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to understand speed limits, stop distance, and the size of a vehicle. Or to know how to hold your liquor.
you 12 or something bro? because if you think 2 drinks makes you not cool to drive (what the state says makes you an evil drunk driver ;_:) then you're a teetotaling middle schooler or a 90lb soaking wet faggot.
>>656787152 yeah you go to jail for the night. if you submit to the tests and you had alcohol in you, you have medical EVIDENCE against you which will be used to convict you in court. if you refuse the tests, you can get out of a DUI conviction all together. what is so hard to understand?
>>656787119 There are more bad dentists then good ones. How can you trust them? Dental schools are a dime a dozen. Also, would you let a drunk dentist operate on you? Would you ride with a drunk driver? Is being drunk scientificallly proven to make you dangerous?
>>656787062 I know how to drive full well dumb fuck and I remember being 21 too. No, I never got into any accidents and I drove over the limit a number of times perfectly fine. It's just common fucking sense that you're at a disadvantage.
>>656787398 you can revoke consent at any time nigger >hurr but they will suspend your license for a year and? better than a 6 month suspension+6month suspension after convicted a year and a half later.
>>656778111 Well op i hope you read this. You might have gotten fucked because of a no refusal weekend. Its where if they refuse they take em in. You shouldve just blown the breathilizer. Uh not really. But if they did say you refused at the hospital, either a) youre an asshole when your drunk.
You might have to pay for the trip and the hospital stay, its 10k a day to fight it. Dont be a dumbass and do. Get a lawyer and try lowering it or something a fucking dui on record is god awful.
3rd. Dont fucking get behind a wheel when youre drunk. A pi (public intoxication) is worth compared to a dui. Then again its a dui not a dwi.
(Driving under the influence and driving while intoxicated are two different things)
>>656787408 >if you refuse the tests, you can get out of a DUI conviction all together. what is so hard to understand?
Please learn to read
The final tier is "highest rate of alcohol," and includes those people with a BAC of over .16 percent, >>> those who refuse a blood alcohol test and those operating a vehicle under the influence of a controlled substance (i.e. drugs)
with the advent of uber and such, there is no fucking excuse for drinking and driving.
to you assholes saying "hurr durr im better drunk than some uber asshat on his best day", please die in a fire. ask around, you know someone who has lost a family member to a drunk driver. Its pathetic.
>>656787651 OP fucked up when he consented to the moving finger test, NEVER consent to the field sobriety tests. There is no legal ramifications for denying them, and once performed the officer can literally lie to say you failed to get you to take the breathalyzer/blood test if he cant drum up any evidence for probable cause elsewhere.
>>656787687 >automobile fatalities >a problem 30k out of THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY MILLION WITH AUTOMOBILE FATALITIES DECREASING EACH YEAR AS OUR POPULATION INCREASES >at fault car accidents >somehow worse because of the involvement of a depressant/stimulant >a civil issue magically becoming criminal because of 1918 hold outs
pray tell faggot, why should a non criminal act such as an at fault auto accident suddenly become a misdemeanor defense because someone had 2 beers in thier system from an hour beforehand? Remember, moralistic arguments are fucking retarded and pathological appeals about muh chillun mean jack shit on fucking 4chan.
>>656778111 got my first dui, they threw me in cuffs and drove me to the station. tried to make me sign some shit admitting i was drunk, didint sign shit, turns out there was no qualified doctor to take my blood work, all they had was a breathalyzer and the next morning i had okay alcohol bp.
>>656788183 this is why you dont ever admit shit OP. NEVER ADMIT GUILT, youre basically doing the prosecutors job when you start blabbing. cops are trained to talk friendly to you, to get you to admit things without you realizing it. just dont talk to police if you find yourself in a DUI situation . you can beat the rap but not the ride
>>656788236 thats what i was trying to figure out from OP, im guessing OP was a shit driver who was bouncing between lanes or something. they have to have a LEGAL reason to stop you, so somewhere along the way you must have broken a minor traffic infraction, maybe had light burnt out
>>656788619 I wish every member of mothers against drunk driving had to deal with thier under 21 child being thrown into the system they created. If i have to deal with them again I will tell one of those sandy old cunts with a dead kid that their child would have killed himself anyway, dealing with the DUI system they've created. Because I almost did.
>>656788013 >pray tell faggot, why should a non criminal act such as an at fault auto accident suddenly become a misdemeanor defense because someone had 2 beers in thier system from an hour beforehand?
First of all, we're not talking about 2 beers an hour before hand because you wouldn't be legally drunk in that case unless you're a little faggot manlet (could be the case I don't know).
But jee anon, of the 2 million+ injured in auto accidents I think it's pretty fucking pretinent to know how many of those at fault were wasted.
>>656785189 >if anything "being under the influence" should be a MITIGATING factor >Charge people with civil and criminal penalties for what they ACTUALLY DO You chose to get drunk and then drive. You intentionally impaired yourself and then decided it was ok to operate a motor vehicle.
>>656788952 >2 beers an hour before hand because you wouldn't be legally drunk A. yes you would. 2 bottles for a woman, two pints for a man. yeah you're fucking fine but gg the law says you're the devil; thank you sandy old cunts who think the 21st amendment is the worst thing ever.
>hurr how many and why does the civil legal system of lawsuits and insurance magically not take care of muh two gorillion? because it does as it stands but a NOT AT FAULT ACCIDENT WHERE SOMEONE ELSE HITS YOU if you have any bac level is magically YOUR FAULT NOT THE OFFENDING DRIVERS because "hurr u drunk enjoy jail satan!"
>>656781011 nah you are wrong as shit. The test is to see how your eyes respond to light for drugs while at the same time seeing if you are composed enough to listen to the instructions and FOLLOW THE LIGHT WITH YOUR EYES. Not your head. Keep your head still. If you shake your head left and right like a drunk idiot then its obvious
>>656789038 >drink and consent to sex >u were raped >drunk and consent to driving >U CHOSE TO DRIVE
if alcohol impairs me to the point where I can't make ration decisions, then how can I be held criminally liable for said decisions? (civil and mental health related issues being entirely separate)
If alcohol doesn't remove my ability to make rational decisions, then how is the act of "impaired driving" criminal when i am entirely in control of my faculties and have committed nothing wrong besides whatever civil traffic infraction/unconstitutional DUI stop?
>>656789702 if you dont refuse those tests you're an idiot. that test is literally what gives them the legal right to escalate to breathalyzer/blood test. if you arent driving all over the place, your car doesnt smell like alcohol, and you dont submit to their field test, there is literally nothing they can do but issue you a citation for whatever infraction they used as a reason to pull you over. you just have to stand up for yourself, cops bank on the intimidation factor to bend you to their every will
>>656789831 >if alcohol impairs me to the point where I can't make ration decisions, then how can I be held criminally liable for said decisions? Because getting drunk was a rational decision. You chose to get drunk, so therefore everything you do as a consequence of getting drunk is part of that choice.
>If alcohol doesn't remove my ability to make rational decisions, then how is the act of "impaired driving" criminal Because "rational decisions" has nothing to do with road awareness, reaction time and precision.
Never submit to giving a breath sample. Force them to get a blood draw warrant.
Try to drink water and eat something if you can. They'll probably prevent this tho.
If they get a blood draw warrant, don't fuck around. Let them draw the blood. The last guy who tried to refuse to let the nurse draw the blood ended up getting tased.
Protip: keep a bottle of cheap vodka unopened in your car. If you're stopped and you're sure to get arrested then as soon as you come to a stop, drop the keys outside the car in clear view. grab the vodka and stick it and both tour hands out the window so the cop can see what you're holding. Open the car door and slowly step out facing the patrol car. Close the door behind you. In clear view of the in-car camera break the seal of the vodka and start chugging.
Then you can claim you didn't get drunk until after you parked the car. Worst you can get is a Public Intoxication which is usually just a ticket. A lot cheaper than a DWI/DUI.
>>656790725 >took this long to cobble together an "argument" if alcohol magically impairs me to the point where my actions are not my own, then from the first drink i was "out of control and each drink wasn't a rational decision", coming from your entirely moralistic argument that imbibing of any "drug" is bad M'kay. If I can choose to drink then how am I not in control?
>hurr mental health then keep the penalty civil and require the individual to go through a drug rehab program/therapy to reestablish thier license, seeing as driving is a "privilege" and driving infractions are civil penalties.
>>656790888 lol. opening your door and getting out of the vehicle with foreign objects in your hands without being directed by an officer after being pulled over is a sure way to get ventilated with 16 rounds of +P 9mm
unless you can prove they have a vehicle/body camera they'll bullshit you and your attorney. My arresting officer and the 2 cop cars on scene magically didn't have vehicle cameras to show that my roadside sombriety test was 100% normal, IE disproving every bullshit thing the arresting officer wrote in her report and deposition. luckily the nigger still fucked up and I hired an expert to drag he over the coals over it but fuck da police.
>>656791663 >hurr alcohol means you are impaired but you can still choose to drive but not choose to consent to sex or signing a legal document >i don't understand that addiction is an issue of mental health and current systems to "rehabilitate" "hurr ebil dui satanz!" have them go through a psychological exam/rehab system.
do you have anything that isn't a 95 year old moral argument against "da debilz drink!"?
Hawaii supreme court jut ruled the forced prison time for refuseing blood work is illegal vs our rights get a good lawyer may be able to fight it. Lawyer that won in hawaii was Johnathan Burge if you wanna look up the case. Good luck anon
>>656792532 because it's important to teach cops the limits of their power. a lot of them think they can do whatever they want, that they determine the laws, and they are judge and jury. just tell them it's your right to refuse, and if they aren't detaining for anything you'd like to be on your way
>>656792827 >Some poor kid did 3 months for taking change from a cup holder of a car. Good, hopefully he took some dick in the ass while he was in for it. Might as well start these niggers in the system as soon as possible.
>>656792626 average human visual reaction time is half a second
thats average, meaning that 50% of people are above/below this number
BAC and VRT are unrelated values. why are you bringing up completely irrelevant issues?
say we made the arbitrary number of 700 milliseconds the cutoff for "DUI" with a "sober" control test for those who failed just in case they really were clods. would you agree or disagree this would be a better system then the pseudoscientific idea that bac has any relation to intoxication? If yes, then we agree the current system is bullshit. If no, then you are a milquetoast teetotaling prohibitionist cuck who doesn't care about "intoxication" or "impairment" but wants to arbitrarily punish those who don't agree to your narrow ideals. which is it
>>656793281 >average human visual reaction time is half a second That's the amount of time for any response, says nothing about how long it takes to process visual data and decide on a course of action, how long that course of action takes, how accurately it is executed and how appropriate it is to the situation.
>BAC and VRT are unrelated values What? http://bja.oxfordjournals.org/content/85/3/401.full.pdf
>say we made the arbitrary number yada yada yada No, that's still shit. Yes the system is imperfect and widely abused. No, you're still a fucking retard for insisting you should be permitted to drive drunk.
Hot vid same thing happens to me, refusing blood revokes your license for a year. I settled for negligent driving, they had a video for trial and I was not sure if I looked fucked up. No field test, no blood, you're golden pal better call saul
>>656793993 >visual reaction time isn't visual reaction time >hurr but alcohol affects reaction time and people who aren't evolutionary regects like you will still come in under the mark if we tested ability instead of blood alcohol content that has nothing to do with impairment besides "but da a 87lb woman with a bac of .08 can't pass a roadsie sombriety test bruh" >driving drunk kek, implying implications. the legal value of "drunk" and intoxication/impairment are completely unrelated. >hurr driving drunk no one gets pulled over for "driving drunk" like ever >hurr being intoxicated magically makes it worse to do _____ that will get you pulled over only because a $50 ticket becomes a $500-$1000 charge for the department to tack on to the revenue they've generated for your county, which is used to decide their depatment budget. It's a racket m8 >hurr drinking makes vehicular manslaughter worse than.... vehicular manslaughter killing your wife for fucking a dude on the side doesn't make it not murder, being drunk doesn't make it not vehicular manslaughter; where in our legal system are there mitigating circumstances that make a crime WORSE besides DUI due to the drug war and 1920's shrews?
>>656794983 >will still come in under the mark if we tested ability What mark?
>instead of blood alcohol content that has nothing to do with impairment Decades of science has thoroughly proven you wrong.
>the legal value of "drunk" and intoxication/impairment are completely unrelated While the value may be arbitrary any amount of alcohol will lead to some impairment.
>no one gets pulled over for "driving drunk" >like ever Are you drunk right now, or are you really this oblivious?
>It's a racket m8 Yes, bad cops have a habit of turning policing efforts into rackets. Doesn't mean there wasn't a good reason for the policing in the first place, it just means that particular department is dogshit.
>hurr drinking makes vehicular manslaughter worse than.... vehicular manslaughter It's the difference between an honest accident and knowingly being reckless and increasing the odds of said accident.
>>656778111 As long as you kept your mouth shut you should be fine. Asking for a lawyer is not a refusal. But be prepared to drop a few grand to keep the shit off your record and to keep your driving privilege. Now they have zero physical evidence you are merely contesting the refusal. Wait 7-14 days as most PD's purge their video. You have 30 days for discovery. After the 7 - 14 days file for discovery on your charges. More than likely they will not be able to provide the requested evidence. Effectively killing their case. They will then try to get you to plead guilty.
>>656795220 >more liberal fact twisting and dancing around the real issue >throwing numbers and percentages around to make drunk driving deaths look insignificant >STILL defending drunk driving Drink the Kool-Aid
>>656795681 >hurr sure you can test at 300ms but u blew a .13 ur going to jail m8 >bac having any correlation with impairment you do understand that A. people have different tolerance levels and B. people develop resistance to drugs... right? right? you took basic health... yes? >really thinking anyone is pulled over for "hur u were swerving bruh" and not tail lights, speeding, rolling stops, etc. that become DUIs when quota cops want to shore up numbers >yes traffic cops being responsible for 100% of "DUIs" and all other bullshit infractions but hurr we have to do something ;_; >an honest accident >the cause of death matters because i think being a shit driver like me is ok but if someone drinks and causes a vehicular manslaughter like me is totally different! how about we stop people like you from driving instead? or just cull you since you're so evolutionarily inferior that your reaction time, alcohol tolerance, etc. is so poor?
>>656796388 >ok with driving drowsy but thinks driving with alcohol in your system is evil >thinks that minor traffic infractions while drunk make you the devil >you can't consent to sex, sign contracts, etc. but HURR U CHOSE TO DRIVE >still defending traffic cops and quota systems for traffic infractions
>>656796666 >maximum liberal fact twisting >wildly drawn out comparisons attempting to justify their own personal practices >defending drunk driving for eternity Not to worry, Champ. One day some old bastard shithoused on McGillicuddy's is going to jump the curb and sever your spinal cord, leaving you to shit in a bag and eat through a tube until you die from infections resulting from sitting in your neat little robot chair too long. Then the irony will set in.
>>656797567 as long as I win my state lottery first, since thats more likely you sandy cunted old bag. your kid is up in heaven calling you a bitch, waiting for you to die so you can burn in hell for the laws you've supported in "his memory" to ruin the lives of those in the same position that he was.
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