>>585483664 guns are cool but what isn't cool is people who shouldn't own guns owning guns. your damn right i'm gonna drop anyone coming into my home, but i don't want some mentally ill mother fucker walking around with the same guns i have access to.
The way I see it is that we don't need guns. If a crazy mother fucker breaks into my house, I'm not going to kill him. Honestly, don't you think it's a bit sick that you'd actually kill someone? Yeah they broke into your house but still.
Beating them to a bloody pulp is one thing, but straight up killing. Nah man.
>>585485545 dropping doesn't equal killing. when you live in a country like the US where guns are readily available you want to be ready for a gun fight. or as i like to always say, if it's a fair fight you've already lost. plus when you hear someone load a shotgun you aren't gonna ask questions you're gonna turn around and fucking leave.
>>585485772 doubt it. granted he'd still commit that crime but with what a knife? i can disarm someone with a knife no problem.
I'm "anti-gun" because I'm European (and not from Switzerland) and there are, conversely, no guns to defend myself from. We can agree this blade (hah) cuts both sides, yes? You can have a gun to defend yourself from a pack of crazy niggers, and conversely, the pack of crazy niggers has, in the US, very easy access to firearms as well.
The day the Sandy Hook school shooting happened, there was an attack in China as well. I'm still surprised there wasn't more interest for it back then. I think a schizophrenic cut up 20 kids in some school with a knife - none of them died.
Mind you, if I'd live in the United States, I'd want a firearm as well. Not even for "protection" (how many of you actually need to use a firearm?) but just because I think they're 'cool'. But for any society, you're much better off with guns in the hands of the military and law enforcement only.
>>585483664 and whats to stop pack of crazy niggers also having guns when they break into your house? maybe you better build a fort, post a guard, sleep in a bullet proof vest, razor wire the porch. if you live in such a scary warzone I suggest you move away from the crazy niggers.
>>585483664 you do know that the vast vast vast majority of guns in the home end up just killing someone in the home, right? you'd more likely win the lottery than have to protect yourself from a home invasion.
The chances of someone breaking to hurt you are near zero. It's just a fear that people play upon.
Guns do kill people, they are a tool for killing. Yes you could ban cars as they kill a shitload of people but we have to have cars. Hammers are tools that can kill, but it's really not as easy as it sounds.
It's actually handguns and easily concealed gun that are the main issue. The odd thing is, most folks fear the AK or the AR, this is retarded but they fear the maniac who goes to a crowded place and can kill 50 people without issue. Still, that's a fear that liberals play upon and chances of being in a school shooting are near nil.
There needs to be some gun control, but not a lot. Handguns should be limited to shooting ranges and concealed carry folks. No more handguns for the popular in General. Semi autos should be limited to 20 rounds pwr mag, old shit grandfathered in. Shotguns should be more or less unrestricted except for size and such so they can't be easily concealed. You must have a stock. Those shoot from the hip things are bullshit anyway.
Or something like that. Shit for actual defense and in case of the need for revolution should be totally legal. Handguns and stuff easiky concealed, maybe not. That said you need to take decades to phase this shit in as the # of guns out there is huge. Give program that lets you trade in your hand guns for semi auto rifles or shotguns enacted as its unfair to fuck people out of hard earned money.
>>585483664 >>585486598 not to mention, that's the kind of paranoia and fear your government teaches you so that it can control you and sell you shit, all the while making you feel like a fucking cowboy.
>>585483664 I think keeping a gun for home defence is fucking stupid.
If you have a gun in your house, it should be in a secure gun closet. That gun closet should be bolted to the wall/floor, and should have at least two locks with the keys kept in separate places in the house. That's pretty much what the rules are in Britain.
I think the risk of an unsecured gun being stolen from a house are far higher than the benefit gained from having a gun in the house for defence.
That said, if your gun is secured in a safe and sensible fashion like this, then it's fucking useless for home defence. You don't have time to be scrabbling round for keys/moving to your gun cupboard/unlocking it in a home invasion. All while doing this silently so thee blokes don't come and smash your skull in.
>>585485772 also gonna point out that your solution to stopping this mentally ill man is doing nothing. gun control doesn't have an impact on you unless your mentally ill so why should you care? safer precautions regardless of if it does anything or not.
>>585486922 which is true. but you have people killing civilians in droves because they're insane. if you're mentally ill take a combative course because there's a chance you might fall off the wagon and blast a few people, ya know? gotta draw the line.
>>585487059 if you have a gun and don't own a safe to keep it in you're an idiot. simple as that.
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>>585487300 Psychos with guns killing people is acceptable. It happens so rarely it's a rounding error at most. There could be a sandy hook incident every day and i'd still be against prohibiting anyone from owning guns. Bad shit happens to good people all the time. It's just a part of life.
>>585487589 it is your right so i don't blame you i'm just not personally interested in spending that much on weapons. it's a nice collection though.
>>585487789 if you think mass murdering of children is part of life then you're part of the problem. if one of my children were to die in a situation like that i'd blame myself for not trying to make a difference.
>>585487059 There are ways of securely storing firearms that involve defcon1 levels of security. My guns are hidden in a false wall area. I can access them in a heartbeat if I need to. Otherwise, no one would know they were there. Not having a guns like not having a fire extinguisher. It's a tool there for your safety, just in case your day doesn't go how you planned it.
My ex said she thinks no one should have guns, and limit guns in the police force too )like Britian). Her reasoning was less guns means less people having accidents with them, and less guns means criminals can't steal guns from law abiding people and use them for crimes.
>>585486295 you've clearly never been cut by a knife. Whether the children die is not an issue. They were harmed, some could of lost an eye or a finger, or suffered other permanent damage. whether the attacker uses a gun, knife, rock, etc. The point of defending yourself with a gun is to prevent harm all together, be it debilitating damage, extreme pain, or death.
AUSFAG here We just had a "Fake Sheik" as they called him Hold up a coffee shop for 16 hours in Sydney and he only had a single shotgun. Why? because he couldn't get hold of anything else. Had he been in America he'd probably have been able to load himself up with all kinds of weapons and blown the fuck out of the shop. In response to your point about the Niggers OP if you've both got guns someone will die cause your going to shoot if only they've got one who says they'll shoot?>>585483664
>>585489162 >if you dont fight fair here in aust your mates will beat the fuck out you for being a faggot. What a load of horseshit. Every man and his dog fights dirty in Aus. Only kids buy into that fighting honorably bullshit. Everybody else does whatever they can.
>>58548859 >Atrocious Major overstatement, places like Swaziland are atrocious. If you're scared of getting shot in America, don't drive your car anywhere. Your chances of a fatal accident are magnitudes higher.
I beat them to death with the ball peen hammer I keep in my beside cabinet. It's more satisfying that using a gun.
It also helps that I live in a civilised country where most guns are illegal. And before you all use the "it's ma right to bear arms" and "I need it to defend myself", you only need guns because others have guns.
All these spree killings that happen, only happen because someone gets pissed off and has access to a gun. You don't see news reports of how someone went on a knife rampage and killed lots of people
>>585483664 A pack of nigger enter your house, grab desert eagle, shot them all to defend myself, my penis rises, unfortunaly bullets trespass matter (who knew??) and hit neighbours in next house. Have to livre 50 years with niggers now.
Want to end the argument? End drug prohibition, and legalize drugs, sex trade, etc.
If drugs, hookers, etc are all legal and regulated, the black market dries up dramatically. Meaning, gangs, mafia, low level thugs, etc are all out of jobs for the most part.
Meaning, that most of the gun violence will dry up, leaving only domestic violence issues, and that shits gonna happen with or without guns. Further, the folks who are addicts now have either cheap or free supply if a doctor says so (heroin harm reduction programs - they fuking work too). So, the addicts aren't robbing anyone.
No more police state.
Gun violence, robbery, and violence goes down in general. Just like after alcohol prohibition when it went away. Just like how hookers work at the bunny ranch vs being with pimps that hook them on heroin and beat them. Oh, and jails, wouldn't need the horrific jails we have as over half the people in them are there for drug offenses or shit pertaining to. We could keep violent and recidivist people in jail FOREVER vs letting them go to make room for a coke dealer.
The fucked up thing is, even though legalizing shit would stop a ton of crime, get people off the "OMFG BAN EM" gun train, conservatives are the most vocal roadblock to the whole fucking solution.
So conservatives, you wanna keep guns legal? Get on board with doing sensible things vs punishing shit.
>>585486295 >Strip the citizens of all their weapons >Only military\cops carry guns What could possibly go wrong? This isn't exactly the opposite of what the constitution prescribed, not at all. >/sarcasm
>>585489596 >you only need guns because others have guns. The only thing that can stop a bad guy w/ a gun is a good guy w/ a gun I have a sawed off shotgun next to bed, if you break into my house, I will call 911- Good luck stealing if you leave before cops show up- if you break into my bedroom to hurt me or wife, then I will splatter yer ass
>>585489230 It's funny that you think "he ONLY got a shotgun". As if someone not trained to use the weapon in the first place would be more effective with a rifle, you're delusional and obviously never fired a firearm.
i dont need a gun, no one breaks in ever. if i had a gun its more likely itd be used by me or someone near me in anger than on someone breaking in/attacking which would be illegal anyway, its classified as excessive use of violence in self defense.
>>585485545 Second. But many people don't see it that way. America has their own culture and it involves guns - taking away their guns is like telling Australians to stop drinking or French to stand up for themselves.
>>585490712 Switzerland and Germany have most guns per capita sfter US and their gun crime rate is 3 times lower than UK. UK isn't just a country anymore, it's a Muslim nanny state, pretty much the worst country on earth now.
>>585489322 If it was in america he'd have pulled out his Machine Gun and shot a few people through paranoia they had guns then Bullshit you white knight going to pull out your pissy pistol after he tops 5 hostages.
>>585483664 Ideally you would want your country to have high standards of living so you wouldn't have niggers breaking into people's homes, but whatever you can think guns are the solutions to everything.
>>585485682 >>585484896 >>585485180 >>585485545 Stupid mother fuckers, gun laws do not stop criminals from getting guns, they don't take training for ccw. Its like you think oh there just going to rob me, rape my wife and daughter maybe kill us all, but thats no reason to kill them. And to you I say Natural Selection, its probably better your out of the gene pool.
>>585483664 And if a 25 megatons bomb is about to fall on your house, how are you supposed to defend yourself? Paranoid fucks, truth is you'd just be super happy to shoot someone and not being jailed for it
>murrica >government taken under control by corporatocracy since like for fucking ever >literally a handfull of industries controlling your shit (and most of the world's) >private industries >private people, unelected >a fucking quarter of those industries involve manufacturing and selling weaponry of some kind >assault weapons sold in supermarkets >average murrican still thinks he's buying weapons TO DEFEND MAH FREEDUMBZ MAH PATRAIATIZUM SHOOTDANIGGANIGGA >he thinks it's his right, lol >he thinks it's worth a thread on 4chan >still doesn't get they're for killing eachother off >cause it's fucking hilarious >especially now that niggers have most of them >start a "biggest gun" type of war >throw in some synthetic drugs for the lulz >cause niggers on speed eh why not >then these fuckin threads every fucking day >mfw
>>585491205 Actually in my younger years I was a mule for a Russian gang and know what I'm talking about.
Many arms dealer are working with police, and most guns they sell already have kills on them. So it's never 100% safe to rely on the gun you bought. And the Russians always use a clean gun and leave it near the body, just to say "fuck you" to the police experts. So the hitmen mostly bought guns, then swapped the barrel and the hammer, ideally they bought a few and randomly reassembled the parts. Homemade guns are perfect if they are made properly, they don't have any ties to anything.
>>585492210 It's a figure of speech, being attacked by a bunch of crazy niggers at your home is unlikely to happen aswell You can't protect yourself from everything that might happen to you So stop the bullshit about being prepared, you just want to kill a nigger someday because you know it will fill you with american pride. Typical american crap, living in fear that this dude on the street might be a rapist and strangely hoping he's actually one so you can use "muh rights". Kill yourself already if you're so afraid of life
I dont see the point in owning guns. I live in Finland, and here are no guns to defend yourself against. Only military and police carry guns >>585486295 and it works. The police are honorable men who don't use power to get their way. Sure, a gun would be cool, but here. Completely unnecessary. You could say "oh well how u gon defend yoself against all dem niggas rapin yo wife" and I would answer that things like that arent to be afraid of over here. Having weapons is a serious crime here, we're a peaceful country.
>>585493753 >The police are honorable men who don't use power to get their way That's true. Police in Europe, especially Scandinavia seem to not be as fucked up as our police in the US, that want any excuse to fuck with people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbM9uCxEJDM >An LAPD chief visits several police forces in Northern Europe.
>>585493740 >being attacked by a bunch of crazy niggers at your home is unlikely to happen aswell >earthquake unlikely >still a good idea to have some food and water >fire unlikely >fire extinguisher >flood unlikely >insurance >nigger attack unlikely >BETTER NOT HAVE GUNS OMG FAGGOT AMERICUNTS
>>585483664 I'd throw a big pack of cotton at them and wait for the police while they pick it up instinctively. Such events rarely happen over here, only if you fuck around with the wrong people. And you can't just have a gun in this country. You more or less have to dedicate your life to it. All you can have legally is a crossbow or very old single-shot muzzle loader, no gunpowder though.
That being said, I'd love to have several nice shotguns. There's just nothing more beautiful than a nice shotgun. I've never even fired one single live round. I just know how much fucking fun it would be but I just can't.
>>585494678 yes there are, but hunters must be part of hunter-communities and be licensed to be able to own a gun, and they can still only own hunting-rifles after that. Though there have been incidents of fucked-up kids taking their daddies rifles and going berserk with them.
>>585492292 >we have sandniggers in germany >these sandniggers broke twice into my workplace, where i also used to live, while i was there >mfw when i could sleep well since years after i got my first -legal- shotgun
>>585494799 So having an assault rifle is your own insurance against crazy niggers? I don't even get your logic. Defend yourself, yes sure, but why develop a cult around the firearms thing? You don't have a shrine for your fire extinguisher do you? That made up ideal of the lone man defending himself and his family/country is only creating some seriously retarded situations, deal with it I don't care if you keep a gun in your closet at home, I'm totally ok with it, it's the excess and everything else that is wrong about living in a pro-gun society.
i live in a western country not some third world shithole so i dont live in constant fear. there is zero crime or niggers here and if there would be any danger the police will protect me because here they are not law enforcer robots but ppl protecting and serving other ppl
>mfw I had a choice between a K31 in great condition, or a fudd'd up swedish mause (mismatched #s, replaced safety, receiver tapped and drilled, missing steel circle in stock >going for $300 each >I picked the mauser >regret it to this day
>>585483664 here's the thing everyone, they're doing it passively, they ASK to take your guns away, if you say fuck no, okay then. They can't force it because that's against the constitutional rights.
Now, we're gonna have to be honest here and it's gonna look like dumb 4chan racism, but we all know it's true: Only the white dumb families think throwing away THEIR guns is right, even though they're causing no harm having them.
Now, the dumb hood niggers with pants hanging down are never going to give up their guns, never. That's not something that will happen, and niggers are gonna continue shooting everything that so much as looks at them because niggers are a bunch of butthurt gorillas over every single thing.
>>585496835 Southern states won't give up their guns and stop "protect" themselves either right? Nor will the cops. Stop trying to blame niggers for everything. The situation is fucked up because your laws have been fucked up for decades. And because most of you people are retarded poo-brains.
I don't even get why people from outside of the US are for the liberal approach of gun bans. It works fine in central and Northern europe, without all those insane niggers, Latinos and trigger happy cops - but in the US, a place with more organised criminals than anywhere else in the world you would have to be retarded not to own a gun for home defense. In europe the pendulum will sooner or later swing the other way once muslims and refugees from africa here start to take over. Pretty sure it will be soon.
>>585483664 My problem isn't so much as with guns as it is people. I'm ok with people having guns (as long as they aren't fully auto rocket launching chainsaw bayonet bullshit) but I'm not ok with how recklessly we just hand them out. We're handing out LETHAL weaponry, weaponry much different from a knife or razor. I think people who have guns should go through yearly mental health checks, as well as anger management and safety courses. People should only be allowed to use guns if they are informed, and they should damn well respect the power that a gun holds. Too many times I see retards waving guns around while they feel better about their small penis, and even bigger retards talking about worst case senario "niggers raping your mom while shooting your dad and roobbing your house and running over your cat" bullshit, and using that as an excuse for their "shoot everyone I think deserves it" mentality. The people that don't respect the power they hold over others' lives are the last people who should have that power in the first place.
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