hey faggots, I got a collection of links from pedo circles, bet you'll enjoy it
On child sexuality not being harmful ====================================
Research -------- Susan Clancy: http://www.salon.com/2010/01/19/trauma_myth_interview/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Clancy#The_Trauma_Myth https://www.ipce.info/library/journal-article/trauma-myth
Food for thought ---------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Morality_and_the_Law http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/07/don_t_pooh_pooh_the_left_s_push_to_normalize_pedophilia http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/when-rape-is-not-rape
On pedophilia not being a disorder ==================================
Research -------- http://www.sexarchive.info/BIB/pedophilia.htm http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115 http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/01/07/don_t_pooh_pooh_the_left_s_push_to_normalize_pedophilia
On legalizing child pornography ===============================
Research -------- http://phys.org/news/2010-11-legalizing-child-pornography-linked-sex.html http://phys.org/news166769376.html http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt/legal-child-pornography-reduces-child-sex-crimes-milton-diamond-hawaii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_child_pornography_and_child_sexual_abuse
Food for thought ---------------- Falkvinge: https://falkvinge.net/2012/05/23/cynicism-redefined-why-the-copyright-lobby-loves-child-porn/ https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/07/three-reasons-child-porn-must-be-re-legalized-in-the-coming-decade/ https://falkvinge.net/2012/09/11/child-porn-laws-arent-as-bad-as-you-think-theyre-much-much-worse/
>>583332472 I can confirm, that for me too, there was no trauma then or now. No shame either. I honestly don't give a fuck what others who I do not know, think about me.
They don't respect my opinions, so I would never honestly respect theirs. It's just that simple...
Molested at around 9-ish, (not unwanted)... Molested others from 9-12, while I was 9-14, (mutual and not unwanted)...
Voluntarily stopped after a relationship with a 28yr-old while I was 16-19, (She was sooo hot, but nutty.)
Still no regrets in my past and no desire to "force myself" or "traumatize" anyone of my age, or younger. Though, I still consider myself a pedo, as it is normal to "like youthful bodies", and "be chemically attracted to people of breeding age". It is called nature. Civility is anti-nature and anti-evolution and anti-human. Stop supporting the decay of your race's genetics in the name of "because I don't want you to". Let those idiots become medical-dependent and intolerable to evolutionary changes which we need to survive in the future. They will all be dead, like all other failed "civilizations". Ever wonder why no singular civilization ever actually thrived? It is because "civility" is simply fucking wrong, and all are doomed to fail, because they ensure it, by design.
Those who are smart choose to breed less. Those who are dumb, breed like rabbits. That is your failed logic of a civility formula. Add that to "breeding 2x past fertile readiness", and you have pure genetic hitlerism with a touch of dead-locked failed DNA preservation of creatures that will soon be extinct without a chance to ever evolve in the future.
They are not doing shit to protect children. You protect them by educating them. There is no protection offered by removal of a criminal after criminal activity has occured. That is just parental "peace of mind", a selfish act under the ploy of "protection", while keeping children ignorant to the reality which would actually offer them protection.
>>583332472 I think it is somewhat healthy maybe even (gasp) beneficial but you need to face up to the real obstacle on this subject which is that it's most likely a result of women trying to squeeze out competition in what they see as their marketplace. Women want a dependable man to latch onto and have provide for them even if they're in their 30's onwards and ground zero for ensuring this is vilifying, embargoing and outlawing a man from finding what are essentially 'scabs', females <16 years old who haven't learnt to squeeze every last ounce of economic value out of being sexually withholding to men (and to be clear women only care about withholding to the beta/provider types who are their marks - I really think that in cases where a true blooded Alpha male gets caught engaging in consensual pedophilia women are much less outraged).
Just some food for thought and to be clear I'm not sexually attracted to them myself it's just something I've been thinking about lately
>>583336450 No, I am sure everyone realizes it, and that is what they are protecting... themselves, not the kids.
Because they know, that there is no trauma and it is wanted and liked and desired, but it traumatizes them... The selfish parent who is suppressing human rights, for selfish reasons, beyond all logic.
You need regulation, not suppression. You need to know it is happening, not ignoring it and hiding it, then acting shocked when you find-out.
This is not about economics or birth-issues. The pill and protection exists for those situations. (Sister has been on birth control since 11, and has been well informed about STD's and pregnancy and staying educated and needing a job. Kids are not dumb unless you make them dumb. Those that are, well, those might rightfully actually NEED that "older guidance". It is obvious they will never care for themselves and the last thing you want them doing is pairing-up with a life-partner equally as dumb at 18, when you have NO CONTROL at all.)
There will be mass-genetic-genocide soon anyways. All these vaccinations and expensive medical issues are growing to produce genetically inferior humans anyways. You think the plagues were bad. Wait until this suppressed annihilation caused by "civilizations" poor choices, comes about. We are about to lose billions and billions, without any chance to save them, because we did all sorts of bullshit to "protect them". (Preserve)
It will all happen in the blink of an eye too... I am guessing within a period of a few months, and there just won't be enough people left to move the bodies and dig the graves of those who just drop off the maps.
P.S. That isn't anything biblical, it is pure science logic. It's what happens when you "live with restrictions" that "retard advancement". You don't advance when you "restrict", you "preserve". Great, they will all become another foot-note in historic documents of failure. Kek.
>>583335861 You claim some pretty nutty things to be honest.
>It is because "civility" is simply fucking wrong, and all are doomed to fail If by "civility" (with scare quotes) you mean specifically those social norms which are useless, then fine, but otherwise civility means being a decent human being who cares about others' feelings, simple as that.
>Civility is anti-nature and anti-evolution and anti-human. Nature and evolution (and "human" is just synonym to "nature" in this context, no?) are separate from ethics. In nature, many animals rape and murder each other. Including humans. That is not nice. It makes people suffer. Humans can have loveful consensual sex, and support each other's well being, so they should do that instead. Loving sexual contact with a child or an adult = good. Rape of a child or an adult = bad.
You should really keep "ethics" above "nature." Note that I say "ethics" and not "morals." The former implies more critical thinking; the latter implies blindly following your culture's norms.
>Those who are smart choose to breed less. Those who are dumb, breed like rabbits. Global IQ still seems to be increasing. Probably explained by even the dumbest people slowly getting smarter, and many intelligent people still breeding. I'm sure that many of the smartest people mostly refused to breed even hundreds or even thousands of years ago, and yet they seem to survive...
>>583339860 Yes, which shows the variability of puny morals. Also see homosexuality, which was held on par with pedosexuality half a century ago. They had a successful revolution because both parties in a homosexual relationship tend to be adult. For pedos it's difficult because the children don't really give a fuck.
>>583332472 I'm probably on the fbi list just for opening that thread. If society frowns upon something it gets prohibited and it gonna take centuries to change something like that. Your not living anymore if somehow people in the future unite and legalize cp.
>>583341039 The prime age for sperm potency is around 16-17 if I recall correctly. We're meant to have children when we're young and fit, but sadly these days you can't get the money for it before 25-35
>>583340083 http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/aug/12/the-end-of-antibiotics-health-infections Layperson version. Anecdote: my mother went to the hospital because of a diabetes crisis, she needed to be plugged into a respirator, and died from nosocomial infection.
>>583340818 Homosexuality and lesbianism is "population control"...
If everyone was a faggot or a pedo, well... that is two completely different ends of a stick...
If everyone was gay, there would be a lot less population and little evolution, ans the human race would die a LOT faster and be extinct in no time.
If pedo... We would have actual advancement genetically and greater understanding of love/intimacy before actually getting into an actual long-term relationship, with the support of family around us. (Unlike waiting till you turn 18, leaving home and struggling with your disposable fuck or poking around for years later, looking for an actual "lover". Which is even harder when you are poor and always working and can't really learn fast anymore.)
>>583341489 >If everyone was gay, there would be a lot less population and little evolution, ans the human race would die a LOT faster and be extinct in no time. And yet somehow gayness survived. It is at least a neutral mutation, or it does provide some degree of survivability improvement.
>>583341420 I know, I meant for people who are not retards, who choose to wait til they can afford children properly. Sadly his means the bottom genes spread a lot faster and healthier
>>583341460 If the purpose of life was just to have kids then a pathetic, idiot guy on welfare raising five children is better than a productive person with one, see the shit logic there? My point is saying "everyone should be this" always fucks up
>>583341487 > I would first of all make sure that all existing people are doing fine It'd take longer than the time for the human race to die off in without new kids every year
>>583341165 the hatred is way to big, pretty much in all countries cp is prohibited. Just owning pictures is punishable. Homosexual fight since decades, they are more, have less enemies and rules against them. It's just tutorial level vs. nintendo hard speedrun.
>>583341270 Last time I checked, people without money raise kids just fine. You can raise them better with more money, but money is not a requirement. Poor people raise kids all the time. Actually, poor people are the majority of those raising kids.
Also, that is why "being 18" is a poor concept... because usually you are "not at home" due to "year of being suppressed, and now you are compelled to move out and start fucking everything that blinks at you".
>>583341720 to understand why there is gays you need to understand that reproduction does not only depend on your own genes. every factor in a society can affect the survival or the death of the whole.
>>583341754 watch the movie: idiocracy. it takes that idiots reproduction to the extremes, and it also is hilarious
>>583341942 >reproduction does not only depend on your own genes Correct, but the main point still remains. It does provide some advantage or it is at least neutral. >idiocracy The most terrifying movie I watched in the last ten years.
>>583341754 >It'd take longer than the time for the human race to die off in without new kids every year Dying off is fine too. People who don't exist can't suffer, and people who will live after we die surely won't make us happier either. There's no reason to force yourself to continue the human race. We're just a kind of ape. Just have fun. Have kids only if you enjoy having kids and are sure you can make their lives good.
>>583341794 >It's basic biology No, it isn't. Grow a brain.
>>583341795 >the hatred is way to big, pretty much in all countries cp is prohibited It was the same way with homosexuals. >Homosexual fight since decades We could start fighting now. Well, there was the Pedophile Information Exchange and such a while ago, though we'd probably need to reboot things from zero. >they are more I don't think there's more homosexuals than pedosexuals out there. The former can come out; the latter have to hide it. >have less enemies They used to have equally many enemies when they started. >have less rules against them Thankfully there's no thought crime in most countries, so we could just start an effort of education. We'll need to satisfy ourselves with hentai or CG porn until real CP or child sex is legal... Well those are illegal in some countries too. You'll have to endure it then. Maybe you're a non-exclusive pedo and/or can find a sweet petite woman... In any case you'll need to be strong.
>>583341794 It's people like you, that retard the world.
You are either a bible-freak, a white-knight cop, some old-fag from the 40's (Where this was actually common, and it has always been common all through all of human time. But no-one ever touched your ugly ass then or as an adult.), or you are a dyke feminist who is actually mad because daddy had to stop touching you and you believed mom who was actually just jealous because dad stopped touching her because you were more of a sex-freak nympho.)
Or you are just a faggot, pretending not to be, because you think there is a god perversely watching where your fucking penis goes... Because god would have nothing else better to do... and after creating a whole universe, he is drawing the line at penile use, a device he doesn't even have. After thousands of years of not talking to anyone... he is still watching your closet faggot ass.
>>583341487 >humanity today is a genetic defect. We systematically learn to live against our instinct. body hair, smell, pudency ,artificial fears, sex, ... be unique but don't be it to much or you won't fit in anymore
>>583342831 well. considering that most of humanity is based on early reproduction. and by early i mean well below age 16 ... it is pretty much the opposite of being flawed. it actually helped spread humanity to over 7 billion individuals.
don't ignore history, don't ignore the true nature of humans. and you will see that it is actually the non pedophiles that would have a hard time to fight in a survival match
Pedo is human by design. You were designed to breed at puberty. You were designed to stop breeding after some point. You were given the sensation to "feel" good, before breeding-time, for a reason.
You, however, are apparently "flawed", as you seem to be missing logic and a concept of reality. Flaw, in that matter is actually factual, as "everyone sees it".
Evil is also an opinion. There is no such thing as good and evil. Might be in your head, but what is in your head, is not in others heads. Though the concepts may be similar, they are not the same. That is another flaw in your head. The fact that you actually believe that anyone-else actually thinks like you.
If you don't like doing something, then don't do it. But don't tell us what to do. You are no-one to us. Since you don't respect our wishes, why the fuck would we ever respect yours. You are no-one to tell us what to do.
>>583342432 >Never once stated pedos are evil, just saying they are a flaw.
I guess it depends on how we define "flaw". A disorder sexual attraction to children per se isn't according to modern understanding: it is a largely innate sexuality akin to homosexuality. If it doesn't cause distress or harm to other people (non-offending pedophiles who live balanced lives) there really is no reason to consider it a "flaw".
>>583342831 >No it is a flaw. If it wasn't a flaw it would be normal and the norm isn't sexual attraction to kids or the same sex.
Who defines what is the "norm"? Is left-handedness a flaw because being right-handedness is the "norm"? Besides you are essentially claiming homosexuality too is a flaw, and yet again science disagrees with you, though you have the right for your personal opinion. Just try not to sell it as a fact.
>>583342713 That's the purpose of life that doesn't think about what the purpose of life is. It still is our our purpose, but we're humans. We say fuck you to the nature we come from, and decide to extend our lives, make medicine, etc. >muh flaws As humans, we say fuck you to survival of the fittest and live with, fix, or make up for our flaws, with medicine, technology, even shit like glasses. We're a bunch of pricks who do whatever the fuck we want. And it's fantastic.
>>583343232 >Happiness is a by-product of fulfilling something, having kids is often considered the most fulfilling and joy inducing thing you can do, because you're supposed to do it.
By your logic everyone who does not want to reproduce, a large percentage of well-educated people, is sick`or flawed, or have I misunderstood your position? If so, please clarify what you mean, and why you think reproduction should be everyone's aim? Don't conflate your personal sentiments to a universal truth.
>Also I care about it because flaws being accepted as anything other than flaws means they spread and fuck up whatever they are a part of. In this case humanity.
See the problem here is that pedophilia is not a choice. No matter how much we hate or love pedos, their numbers are going to stay constant, and same applies to gays. So we might as well accept them and offer them therapy if they feel they might benefit from it, instead of segregating and hating them for a sexuality, a feature they never chose.
>By pedophile I mean fucking kids who aren't sexually active yet and can't have kids just FYI.
>>583340442 >>583340546 it's a fetish, its not a sexual orientation because that implies a gender and age doesn't fall into that category, your just attracted to young looking features, but you take it to the next level by wanting to put your dick inside an undeveloped girl that would cause them pain, plus they wouldnt even want to have sex at said age nor want to know about it either, the only way you sly bastards could do it is if you talk your way into there pants making it non consensual from both parties, you are just predators waiting to get your fix if the opportunity rises. don't get me wrong pedophiles aren't doing anything illegal yet, but they need to give up on there fetish before society gives up on you
>>583344316 >Exactly, we should fix our flaws, like the pedo gene. most of us in this thread are already trying to fix that one big flaw: some dumbass poster hiding with heaven who is not thinking like the rest of the society.
>No you fucking moron, if the person you are fucking can't have kids, they aren't meant to be fucked. yeah seriously. don't fuck with condoms. don't use contraceptives. don't sterilize and don't eat animal products!!!1
>It can be isolated and removed. you can be isolated and removed.
>>583343406 >Tries to argue >Doesn't read any response that fully and effectively counters you >Thinking you are correct >Thinking you have any validity in your words and thoughts. Congrats, you are most definitely a retard and most likely a kid. How does it feel to be that one guy who fails at even minimum wage jobs due to your extreme ineptitude at basic logic? This is you: http://youtu.be/i_k_57WoIPU
>>583344316 >Simply put if the rest of humanity gets fucked, I get fucked and by extension my kids end up fucked(literally if pedos had there way). It's all for me you see. But can't you understand that there is no way enough people will turn pedo to put at risk world population ? And that pedo =/= rapist ? And that, seeing that your opinions must be pretty unpopular, wouldn't you be considered as a flaw yourself ?
>>583344037 >it's a fetish, its not a sexual orientation because that implies a gender and age doesn't fall into that category,
This is your arbitrary definition for a sexual orientation you use to justify your own personal agenda. Pedophilia is an intergenerational sexual orientation, look it up; it stays the same throughout life (there is no cure for it, as it is simply the way their brain is wired, like gays are wired to feel attracted to the same sex).
>your just attracted to young looking features, but you take it to the next level by wanting to put your dick inside an undeveloped girl that would cause them pain,
Wrong. By your logic pedos would be attracted to young-looking women, which they generally aren't, because they are not prepubescent. Also, what separates being attracted to kids and being attracted to all features kids possess? You are just playing word games here. Besides most pedos don't want to do that, as normal empathetic people, they don't want to cause harm to kids for selfish ends: most straight men don't rape attractive women who they can't consensually fuck either. Why couldn't a pedophile be a moral person?
>plus they wouldnt even want to have sex at said age nor want to know about it either, the only way you sly bastards could do it is if you talk your way into there pants making it non consensual from both parties, you are just predators waiting to get your fix if the opportunity rises.
Firstly, we are not talking about child molesters here, but pedophiles. There is a difference: you wouldn't generalize all straight men as rapists, would you? Secondly, you seem to think all pedophiles are ticking time bombs. This isn't the case, as they can live by their principles, and sexual desires are easily satisfied by outlets, such as imagination or porn.
Would you tell gay that he needs to change his sexuality just because you personally dislike it? Why would a society give up on a pedophile who lives ethically and never harms anyone.
>>583344316 I've come to the realization that you must have a very sad and boring life if you think the only reason for living is to reproduce. What kind of life must you have lived if you think there can be nothing more that continuing your species? I mean, damn dude, what do you do all day? Fuck a cum dumpster all day till your dick hurts, that wait to see if it worked? That fucking sucks.
I genuinely feel sorry for you. Cheer up fella. Have an image that might make you smile.
When I was 11-14, I was abused by a guy 6 years older than me and a guy 9 years older than me. I didn't like boys. I to this day decided that if I wasn't so crazed for girls, and was heterosexual, I wouldve not only dealt with it better (instead of anorexia, self harm, ect.) I would've wanted it. I don't know. I think you're old enough to decide when you're 12. I had my first consensual sex when I was 13, with another girl, and it was amazing. The two boys didn't let me see her anymore afterward though. She was 5 years older than me..
>>583345379 It's gone far beyond simply acknowledging. Assuming you are the same poster who's been arguing against pedophilia this entire time, you have stated that the only purpose in life, multiple times, is to procreate.
>>583344316 >When going by the simple fact everything you do is in the long term goal to improve the quality of life for your kids. Fucking other kids thus not having kids is a pretty big flaw.
A) Most pedophiles are not exclusive (that is, they are also attracted to adults to some extent). B) Most pedophiles are not child molesters. You need to let go of your fallacious prejudices, they blind your reason.
>Being left handed isn't a make or break thing, I can do with my left what I can do with my right, I can't have kids with someone who isn't sexually active.
Pedophiles can have kids, many do have families. Besides, please tell me how pedophiles can't function normally in society, like left-handed people do? And please don't insult my intelligence by pointing to some deluded child molesters. There are sex offenders in every branch of sexuality (rapists for example).
>Exactly, we should fix our flaws, like the pedo gene.
How is it a flaw if it doesn't hurt anybody as it the case with non-offending pedos?
>I get fucked and by extension my kids end up fucked(literally if pedos had there way).
You still don't understand pedophile =/= child molester?
>Not having kids is very fucking selfish.
Why so? Why should I agree with your personal explanation for life? Everyone else is wrong but you?
>This is where you tell me they can be learned about it and there brain not being anywhere near fully developed means nothing.
Where have I said any of this. Please quote me and stop making straw men.
>>583345460 There's a difference between pedophilia and homosexuality. I'm gay and it just doesn't work for me. I look at a dick and it's just. No. So do pedophiles get turned off when they look at women their own age? I've always thought pedophilia was about power, not just sexuality.
>>583345071 >Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder source: wikipedia
no parent is going to let their daughter fuck someone almost double their age, can you sickos keep it in your pants and let them study at school instead of being distracted by some losers sexual desire
>>583345460 >No because promoting pedophelia will eventually end up promoting child molestation because it will become normalized
Slippery slope fallacy. I guess you think accepting gay marriage leads to child marriage soon. It doesn't logically follow from accepting pedophiles who don't harm kids that we need to accept pedophiles who DO hurt kids. You are not making any sense.
>Look at the increase in homosexuality through homosexuality acceptance.
More people coming out of closet doesn't mean more gays exist. They just don't have to be fucking frightened all the time due to potential lynching.
>And dont fucking tell me there would be no increase in child molestation through increased pedophelia
Pedophilia can't be "increased" through any known procedures. It simply exist to some extent in human population and in nature. Check the picture for statistics.
>>583345672 they dont ive had a few admit on here that they would fuck an 18-20 year old if it was possibility, i just think they're sex deprived and never managed to get any pussy in school and after the years of chastity there brains are playing up on them
>>583345767 >no parent is going to let their daughter fuck someone almost double their age oh man. this is totally not pedo related and you can quite clearly see a lot of people in relationships, even legally married where the bitch is at least half the age of the dud or even fresher
Actually DSM and APA disagrees with you. Sexual attraction to kids PER SE is not a disorder unless it causes marked distress to the person or harm to other people (in other words, child molesters may be considered sick due to their negative impact on others). Wikipedia doesn't disagree with me, you just can't be bothered to research the actual criteria for what constitutes a disorder.
>no parent is going to let their daughter fuck someone almost double their age, can you sickos keep it in your pants and let them study at school instead of being distracted by some losers sexual desire
See this is the reason you pedophobes always fail at debates. You are blatantly ignorant. No one is making excuses for child molesters here. I've already tutored people ITT on the difference between "pedophile" and "child molester" so read the thread.
>>583345937 Gay marriage has lead to other things similar are you crazy? Just like the womens rights movement lead to the gay movement. You guys are using the gay marriage movement to throw in pedophelia.
>More people coming out of closet doesn't mean more gays exist. They just don't have to be fucking frightened all the time due to potential lynching.
Implying nongays havent become gay or joined the lifesyle or turned bisexual as a result.
>pedophelia cant be increased by any known procedures
>>583346468 You're argueing with facts and backed up data. I commend you for trying, but it's the equivalent of a kid shouting LAALALALALA when they don't want to hear something. Completely agree with everything you've said so far though
>>583346468 >>no parent is going to let their daughter fuck someone almost double their age, can you sickos keep it in your pants and let them study at school instead of being distracted by some losers sexual desire and that has something to do with molestastion..... how?
>>583346603 Well yeah, when it's my little girl! That applies at any age, assuming the guy doesn't have your approval or you've given your daughter that kind of space. That doesn't apply only to little girls.
>>583346894 >facts and backed up data What exactly do you mean again? That pedophilia is considered a mental disorder? We already covered that: homosexuality was too, then they dropped it. What is and isn't a mental disorder changes.
Pro-pedo scientific facts as well as ethical arguments are all in the OP.
In this case the most relevant would be: http://www.sexarchive.info/BIB/pedophilia.htm
>>583346250 Pedophile is primarily or exclusively attracted to kids, so they can be into adults also, but to a lesser extent.
>>583346551 >Gay marriage has lead to other things similar are you crazy? Just like the womens rights movement lead to the gay movement. You guys are using the gay marriage movement to throw in pedophelia.
Even without homosexuals accepted I can make the argument that we shouldn't discriminate against non-offending pedos. I need no gay acceptance (though it helps of course as it probably makes people more open-minded to other sexualities).
>Implying nongays havent become gay or joined the lifesyle or turned bisexual as a result.
They can't "become" gay. Do you fight with yourself each they to remain heterosexual? I have bad news for you.
>>583347020 I thought it had because of the context but you are right. 20-year-old having sex with 40 or even 60-year-old of course isn't molestation.
>>583347440 a man has the mental capacity and judgement to consent to sex with another man, a child has no such ability, which is why age of consent laws exist, to protect children from people like you. General rule of thumb is if you have to explain things like the birds and the bees to someone then you should not be having sexual intercourse with them.
Just a question about something I'm wondering: Can you guys imagine yourselves in the position of a parent. A father, or a mother, doesn't matter. You have a child of, I don't know, 5 years old. Would you want to have pornographic images of your child lingering around on the internet, or have him/her "hang out" with a man 20 - 30 years older than he/she?
Pedofilia is one of the touchiest subjects one can talk, that being said I have no problem with two consenting people OF BREEDING AGE who engage in some unlawful fucking. But to the pedos talking about sexing some 5 year olds however; that shit is not natural and no amount of mental gymnastics will ever make it natural.
>>583347753 >a man has the mental capacity and judgement to consent to sex with another man, a child has no such ability Sex is a simple physical activity which doesn't require legal information and in-depth knowledge to consent to. It's similar to playing a game. Any importance beyond that is made up by society.
If I can play games with children, I can also cuddle with them, gently stimulate their genitals, etc. Maybe careful penetration if the child is old enough; I can imagine some 12 year-olds being grown enough to be able to take careful penetration without any pain, instead enjoying it.
>>583347808 First, it would only shock because you have been told it is shocking when you were young (and before 10 is also very young imo). Second, you spread pornography of the girls you go out with ? You must be a really good boyfriend ...
>>583347727 >No im saying it will lead to molestation dumb twat.
No it won't. Non-offending pedophiles being accepted makes them more comfortable to seek therapy if they struggle, which reduces crime. Us driving them underground by demonizing them is what creates discrepancy between pedophiles and the rest of society. They rebel against the society they feel is not theirs: they are pariahs.
>There are people that "became" gay yes. Willingly chose the lgbtq lifestyle and are bisexual
This doesn't make any sense. If they feign being gay, they aren't really gay then, are they? And I think that is very marginal group anyway.
>>583347753 How is this a counter argument to anything I've said? I'm not of the opinion that adults should have sex with small kids so stop making shit up.
>>583347918 okay for arguments sake lets pretend that some school girl actually wants to have sex with some creep 10-15 years older than her instead of that one boy she has a crush on in class
it would go like this
she is rather hesitant to the idea of you sticking your 4 incher dick inside her "pee" spot at first but you convince her otherwise, then you proceed to insert it causing pain to her underdeveloped body because of the hymen / structure size and most likely pull out where on the other hand she can handle it and is staring away from your line of sight awkwardly wishing it would hurry up and end
then the parents eventually find out and sue you for sexual charges
>>583347753 This is a terrible argument. At that point it becomes a question of when a person gains the ability to make such a decision which varies greatly from person to person. And it's also entirely dependent upon the assumption that people even obey those kinds of laws and rules to begin with, which people don't. The drinking age is 21 in the US, people regularly drink well before then. The same applies to smoking, and, surprise surprise, fucking as well.
Nobody listens to that whole 'mental capacity to judge at whatever age' bullshit because it's really just a convenient way of saying that you don't have an argument so lets just say that everyone's a retard until they reach some arbitrary age.
>>583348308 As a parent, you have a "natural" (don't tell me that's been told to me as well) habit of protecting your child. Having your child hang out with a man 30 years older, probably no family of yours, perhaps not even a friend, definitely clash with that idea. It's more or less for the same reason you wouldn't let your child play near water. They could drown, even though they would probably be safe. You're not letting them do that. It can be dangerous, and a sane parent would not take that risk. And concerning the pornography, isn't this thread made partially with the idea that child pornography should be legalized? Where else would it come from?
>>583348280 Neither is a disorder. Disorder means something negative, and there is nothing negative in either examples:
>a gay being happy and non-offending >a pedo being happy and non-offending
For example, a schitzophreniac is not happy due to his condition. If he occasionally heard voices but didn't let them distract him in the slightest, there would be no reason to classify him as ill, as nothing would need to be fixed. This is why we can differentiate between pedophiles who need therapy and the ones who don't, the latter being not ill.
We are anonymous. We are defenders of the internet. We are yet again on the heels of pedophiles around the world.
There are many websites with children being exposed and it is not right morally, legally or in respect to human rights. Pedophiles of the internet this is a warning to you. This is a warning to your supporters and anyone that takes part in your sick world. We will come for you.
We will find you. We will shut down your websites and kick you out.
You are not welcome here and we have had enough of you. Leave our children alone and while you are at it leave the rest of the planet alone.
This is not a threat, this is a promise. We will hunt you down and exterminate you like cockroaches. You are the lowest form of life on this planet and it is time for you to be extinguished. We are the ones that will do this task.
We are Anonymous.
We are the great Legion.
Everyone, from all walks of life have joined in this fight.
People in every country, in every race and every religion all have the same belief. The belief that our children deserve to be safe.
The pedophiles have not gone away and we must join forces to make it happen. We need to put all of our resources together to get these evil people away from our children.
There are many of you that are concerned about the same issue. Now is your time to act. Get involved.
We do not forgive We do not forget Expect us we are Legion, and we are coming for you pedophiles.
>>583348561 >okay for arguments sake lets pretend that some school girl actually wants to have sex with some creep 10-15 years older than her instead of that one boy she has a crush on in class You're already showing how stupid you are from the get-go. Girls of that age don't have sexual feelings. (They might have overall curiosity though.) That doesn't mean a trustworthy adult cannot make consensual sexual contact with them, simply by introducing her to it and inviting her to participate. Unless she has already been taught by everyone to be ashamed of sexuality and to stay away from men, there's a good chance she'll be willing out of curiosity, and otherwise still a good chance that she'll simply accept the invitation without necessarily *wanting* it herself. Then, so long as it's a positive experience for her (children can have orgasms), all is good.
>she is rather hesitant to the idea of you sticking your 4 incher dick inside her "pee" spot at first but you convince her otherwise, then you proceed to insert it causing pain to her underdeveloped body because of the hymen / structure size Read the fucking thread, retard. And use some minimal amount of your brain power, if you have any. If "sexual contact" equates "brainless penetration" for you, I'm genuinely sad for you.
>>583349016 You don't get what that "witch hunt", is for, do you? You came so close. The fact that pedophiles are considered the scum of the earth, and are arrested and whatnot, is to make sure children are safe to go to schools and sport clubs. What I was talking about, is willing sending your child to hang out with a pedophile that's 30 years older than him, with the possibility of mental or physical aftermaths. If you had a non-pedosexual brain you may be able to understand the necessity of these measurements.
>>583348561 But then again who said I want the right to fuck children ? I just want to not be considered as a criminal for what I am, have porn substitution, seek help from psychologist without fearing that he would give me to the police.
>>583349543 You just cannot comprehend. People want to have others to keep their hands off their children. Even if it "doesn't always" have negative consequences. There may be other ways to give children the satisfaction that OP states they need, and it doesn't include children being touched by fully matured pedophiles.
>>583349418 >The fact that pedophiles are considered the scum of the earth, and are arrested and whatnot, is to make sure children are safe to go to schools and sport clubs.
There is no justification to demonize all pedophiles based on the minority who commit crime. This leads to a self-fulfilling prophecy that actually makes some pedophiles more likely to offend. This is not win for anyone, least it is for children. And non-offending pedophiles are not arrested, since being a pedophile is not criminal, even though the ongoin witch hunt.
>What I was talking about, is willing sending your child to hang out with a pedophile that's 30 years older than him, with the possibility of mental or physical aftermaths.
There is no reason why a pedophile couldn't contain himself near children as most straight men contain themselves near women not raping them. Lets remember not all women consent to sex with all males who find them attractive.
>>583349678 Sorry, I'm not going to take the privilege of reading through 200 comments. 90% of the contents are things I've seen before in threads like these. Just to convince me you are right, could you please make a short statement of why parental preventive safety measurements are wrong, and should be discarded for your sexual deviances?
7 warnings before publishing pictures of your children on the social network
1. Never upload pictures showing your children modelling on anonymous sites as it can be used for arousal and shared sullying your childs identity naked. While taking pictures of babies when they are taking a bath is cute, or even if they are running with their diaper on, we should never do it. There are people with horrible intentions that dedicate their time to collecting pictures of infants with little or no clothing to satisfy their vile intentions. Pornography effects are terrible.
2. Avoid uploading daily images of your young ones. This is dangerous because it makes you vulnerable. You are exposing your family’s safety.
3. If you upload pictures taken in your home to a site on the net, try to avoid taking it in a place where you show expensive items, TV, computers, even the car. The image can be seen by your friend’s contacts (people you haven’t met) and you don’t know if any of them will be interested in your property.
4. When you share family pictures in public places, avoid any place that reveals where you live, such as the street name or the home’s entry.
5. Pay attention to the way you name the pictures. This is the point where you share valuable information. For example, “Here I am getting out of the school ______, I always do it at 2 p.m.”
6. Erase your album pictures after a few days.
7. Do not upload pictures of your babies or children in compromising situations, or with silly poses. It may be common to turn into a shared joke a million times during Internet memes.
We are Anonymous. We are Legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us. We are coming for you pedophiles.
And you clearly didn't even read the post you are replying to.
>People want to have others to keep their hands off their children. Even if it "doesn't always" have negative consequences.
This is what the person you responded to said
"But then again who said I want the right to fuck children ? I just want to not be considered as a criminal for what I am"
His subject is not child molestation, yours is. Your brain automatically associates "pedophile" with a sex fiend and prevents you from rationally reflecting on what it really means, a person with a sexuality, which he can live perfectly ethically with, like I do.
>>583350128 1-They are not wrong since there IS rapist. 2-I don't want the right to have sex with children. 3-We are as much rapist as hetero. 4-I must asking the right to not be considered a criminal just for what I am.
>>583350279 That rule doesn't apply in this situation. Where I live, having a gun in your house can get you arrested. The cops are not going to wait until you commit a public shooting, and then jail you. Having child pornography, or even having sexual affaires with children, is, for the same reason, illegal.
>>583350128 >Just to convince me you are right, could you please make a short statement of why parental preventive safety measurements are wrong, and should be discarded for your sexual deviances?
I think you are conflating morbid hysteria brought by the Western pedophile witch hunt and safety measurements. No one is arguing kids should not be protected from harm. There is, however, something wrong when little girls get lost in big cities and passers-by refuse to help in fear of being branded as sex criminals. This happened a couple years ago, and a three-year-old girl child ended up drowning in a river.
>>583332472 only civilized west is it considered taboo or wrong for older ages to experiment sexually with younger ages
this kid of thing is actually a healthy and normal thing that people do. i vividly remember my cousin walking in on me going pee many, many years ago. she saw my little pecker and asked what it was. i told her it was my pee pee and she said she didnt't have one and pulled her shorts down to show me.
she played with my tiny wiener for a few minutes as i fondled around on her bare muff. she left and that was that.
i remember it fondly as an exciting learning experience and i bet she does too. i wasn't traumatized from it or any stupid shit like that. she was probably 6 or 7 at the time and i was 38.
>>583350737 >Where I live, having a gun in your house can get you arrested yes if it is forbidden then you are breaking the law, else you are fine... ask some gun owners. >Having child pornography, or even having sexual affaires with children yes and how does someone break the appropriate laws if he is simple a "pedophile"?
do you conclude that every pedophile has CP and sex with kids?
>>583350485 >if anything your claims and campaigning is whats keeping humans in the stoneage throwing feces around you fucking primitives
Campaigning to stop discrimination of an entire group of different individuals can't be what's wrong with this society. If you thought objectivelly even for a second, you'd understand this: put yourself on a pedophile's position, try it. You are branded a criminal for your fantasies and feelings alone, and when you die of old age at 80 never having offended no one goes to your grave and says "sorry, we made a mistake about that "ticking time bomb" thing".
>>583351736 Sup bitches, thought you would get away with posting illegal content? Guess you didn't count on Anonymous reporting your ass! Join us in Anonymous working with the US government to institute a national alert system for children in danger, at #AnonAlert, mixing the mystique of Anonymous with the visage of Guy Fawkes a symbol of freedom for children everywhere. Because we are all people, we are all faiths, we are the few, the many, we are Legion! #HangAllPedos
>>583350780 I did not know that happened. My original post in this thread was aimed to towards pedophillia and the people defending it. If I came across as unclear, that's why. I thought I was talking about the subject that I attempted to discuss.
>>583351171 No, having a gun gets you in trouble. Not just having it on you publicly, not shooting it, just having it is illegal.
I did not conclude that. As you could have seen from my tertium comparationis, I compared having a gun to having CP or sexual affaires, not to being a pedophile. I should have made my point clear earlier on. Perhaps I should have used the term "child sex offender" or something like that. If you are a pedophile but the things I mentioned above, don't apply to you, I think you should have the right to get help, naturally.
>>583350737 >Having child pornography, or even having sexual affaires with children, is, for the same reason, illegal.
And what makes you think all pedophiles support child pornography or have sexual affairs with kids? Oh that's right, your prejudice.
>they dont ive had a few admit on here that they would fuck an 18-20 year old if it was possibility,
Yes not all pedophiles are exclusive and some find petite women with childish features attractive. Some pedos even have families of their own, and kids whom they love like any parent.
>i just think they're sex deprived and never managed to get any pussy in school and after the years of chastity there brains are playing up on them
Science disagrees with you. Also this is the same ignorant explanation many homophobes have for homosexuality: gays are supposedly bitter at women, and therefore turn toward males.
The reason pedophiles rarely have sex with adult women is exactly the same as gays'. They are not attracted to them. Why would they have sex with individuals they are not attracted to? There is a structural difference between a pedophile's brains and teleiophile's brains, so it is a hard-wired sexuality, not a psychological disorder you try to paint it as. Please do some research:
>"Another researcher, Howitt (1998), reached a similar conclusion: “The possibility of finding a simple personality profile that differentiates pedophiles from other men has appeared increasingly unrealistic as the research and clinical base has widened. Simplistic notions such as social inadequacy driving men to sex with children become unviable as highly socially skilled pedophiles are found” (p. 44)."
The bottom line why pedophilia is illegal is because of its exploitation of children. Besides exploiting their physical weakness and being able to physically overpower them as a full grown adult, the main exploitation is that of the children's less developed mind. To be able to out-clever them by way of deceit and tricking these vulnerable beings into situation which they would rather not be apart of. Such as tricking a tard into giving them less change or trading your shitty bike for their new one, etc.
However, if a child does consent to sex with an adult and is 100% aware of what that involves and the repercussions of such and that they can do so without fear or feeling of being pressured, then I see no problem with it. Perhaps if the government allows for some sort of disclosure agreement between the adult and child where both parties must have it notarized by a child psychologist who analyzes the child's motives first. May sound impractical and idiotic but this way such relationships could be legally sound and protected.
>>583351624 Ah, I see. Thanks. I haven't given a thought to how it would be for you if you wanted to seek help. Seems there is a telephone number to call if you want to talk about it, where I live. But futher than that, I couldn't quickly find out how it works.
what about the fact that the pre frontal cortex doesn't fully develop until age 25, meaning the person is less capable at a younge age to make decisions based on anything but the parts of their brain that regulate pleasure? How is it consensual if they're physically incapable of understanding the entire situation from the same level as the adult?
>>583352515 >And what makes you think all pedophiles support child pornography or have sexual affairs with kids? Oh that's right, your prejudice. all pedophiles want that shit legalized you fucking loser downy otherwise this thread wouldnt be here now would it
>gays are supposedly bitter at women, and therefore turn toward males. wrong woman are a gays best friend because they can most relate with them. also science can agree with shit, its still illegal proving its morally wrong still in society's eyes
>>583352917 you assume that even after the brain is fully developed it is in a state that allows any adult to come to the same logical conclusions. i highly doubt that. some humans always stay emotionally driven retards (i know many of them working in political positions)
>>583352428 I'll call the police right now, to tell them my opinion on help for pedophiles. Idiot.
>>583352515 >And what makes you think all pedophiles support child pornography or have sexual affairs with kids? I didn't say that. I'll tell my statement once more: Being a pedophile = too bad for you, you should be able to get professional help, etc. Possessing CP or having sexual affaires with children = say hi to Chris Hansen
The rest of your post doesn't apply to me. Either you accidentally mixed up posts, or I am failing to see how that post connects to mine.
>>583353227 Women are illogical, irrational, and 'emotionally' immature compared to men. Period. Should all sex be outlawed except for gay sex? Besides, males always have male privilege. It's fundamentally an exploitative relationship. Right?
>>583353441 and your assumption is not logical. the brain goes through multiple reorganization phases. the last one ends at the age of around 25 years.
none of these determine the capabilities of the brain, this is all guesswork. infact they more likely reduce the capabilities of the brain... just think of how fucking hard it is to learn 3+ different languages at the same time, learn other shit at the same time etc. its all fucking easy for kids
>>583351942 >entire groups are discriminated against all the time. that's been going on since the human race began.
Right. Still most rational people don't root for racism or homophobia. They might be natural human responses to things we don't understand and therefore fear, but they are not rational or favorable things. We stopped burning witches. There is hope we stop it again.
>>583352257 >Not just having it on you publicly, not shooting it, just having it is illegal.
Your comparison fails because being pedophile is not illegal (like owning guns where you live), though molesting is.
>Perhaps I should have used the term "child sex offender" or something like that.
Yes... perhaps... This is why people should be extra careful what terms they use or I or someone else will call them on it.
>>583352393 I did not make it up but yeah of course you have the right to ask for source. I'll try to find the article.
>>583352970 >all pedophiles want that shit legalized you fucking loser downy otherwise this thread wouldnt be here now would it
You are conflating "pedophile" and "child molester" here. For example, I'm for accepting non-offending pedophiles, as they harm nobody, but I'm still personally against child-adult sex relations. Please don't lump all pedophiles together. You wouldn't do that to jews, niggers, women, or gays either. (Or maybe you would, which just makes you so much worse as a bigot).
>wrong woman are a gays best friend because they can most relate with them.
See? Pedophiles get along fine with women as well. They just don't find them particularly attractive. Pedophiles are not driven to being attracted to kids, they just are due to their genetic predisposition (and possible some other complex early childhood factors as well). Maybe the sexuality is locked already in the womb due to some chemical process.
>also science can agree with shit, its still illegal proving its morally wrong still in society's eyes
>>583352815 The only reason the youngest got pregnant was because she started having her period when she was 3 YEARS OLD!
It is a built-in drive for humans to reproduce (this is why sex feels good and produces a high), so almost all of the population wants to fuck. Humans are sexual beings. Girls usually mature earlier than boys, although the human being is theoretically capable of living independently by 7 years of age. Sexual feelings and interest can start at any age and can result in precocious little cock- and cunt-teases who want to know more about these strange and good feelings they are learning. They may turn to an inherently more knowledgeable (older) adult-like figure in an attempt to satiate their curiosity, and may sometimes even initiate sexual contact.
If done in a caring, loving manner, sexual contact can be a pleasant, bonding experience that both can enjoy so long as both parties are consenting and penetration does not occur if the body cannot physically accommodate it.
If we were all taught sexual knowledge earlier than already past the beginning of breeding age, we might not have all the sex-related crimes and general angsty, shaming bullshit that is prevalent in Western culture. We would know what we are, what we like, and how to handle our body's urges and desires more effectively as if it was second nature, instead of being scared of our natural bodies...
>>583353826 >but I'm still personally against child-adult sex relations your in luck then because thats legal, find a child with parents that can trust you and befriend it >They just don't find them particularly attractive you do read>>583345949 if its 25+ year olds then i can understand >What is wrong in society's eyes? adults sexing kids
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