>Be me >be 16 and virgin >stuck in a hick town with nothing to do but work and lurk 4chan >live with aunt and dipshit husband >they have 3 kids >I am basically a houseslave for the whole summer I live there >one night they go out >"anon can you watch the kids tonight" >"sure" >Niece can't sleep >asks me to read to her > I go in and read to her >while there I suddenly feel need to touch vagina >I slide it over and feel it >instant regret and shame >I say good night and get out
Fast forward four years
>I am now 20 >go drinking with friends >wake up to a phone call >police telling me I have been charged with sexual assault >"can you come in for questioning in an hour?" >"sure" >get a fucking heart attack >remember repressed memory of that night 4 years ago >go to the station, meet my lawyer >"did you do it?" >I admit to the lawyer >say nothing to the cops >talk to friends about the case >"well clearly you didn't do jack shit, this is bullshit anon" >feel a little better >get a call from lawyer, wants to meet >meet lawyer >lawyer tells me I will probably be found guilty >Maybe jail time but since I'm a first offender I might get parole
what the fuck ? i mean 4 years after that happening they call you. they wont even got proves that you did it. and if they could prove it it could be just a accidentaly touching how did they caught you ?
>>558927028 No you fucking moron, one of the first things you learn as a criminal defense lawyer is that you shouldn't know if they did it or not. If your client tells you he did it, and he wants to plead not guilty, you can never put him on the stand because you know.
>>558925512 You are plenty fucking autistic for not knowing you dont say anything to anyone else, even if the ask you "were you alive in 2010"? all you need to say is "I don't answer questions" you already fucked yourself. The fifth amendment states "no one is to be whiteness against themselves" u r don kido
>>558927996 I forgot to mention that i'm from a fucking small country in Europe. The fact that I was in shock had a little to do with what I told my lawyer. I didn't answer anything but the things they knew, like I lived there.
>>558925512 bullshit in all her word against yours cases there needs to be corroborating evidence, someone else saying you did it some proof you would not be expected to be found guilty unless you had a past of sexual assaults or you were touching all the kids so full of shit op
>>558928564 European countries also have law that are the same, you should probably request a new lawyer who may represent you better and aslong as you don't say anything to the cops there will be 0 evidence to convict you also when I say nothing to the cops I mean not a single word even if you deny something it will come back to get you
>>558925512 Might as well go on a killing/raping/partying spree, your life is over. Even if you do get out of prison the stigma of being a pedophile will prevent you from having good jobs or meaningful relationshits.
>>558930060 That was my initial thought. Although a psychiatrist I met on referral from my lawyer said that I was very sincere in my telling of the story and that if I ever needed to tell the story it should be done the way I told it.
>>558930374 I didn't want to, I don't actually have any sexual desire towards children. Just a stupid fucking thing in a moment of weakness and curiosity. I never meant to do it and I won't repeat it.
A cousin of mine was sentenced to 20 years in jail, just for "touching his niece's vagina" and her mom (maybe probably a lie) said that it were true and she wasn't even in the same room at the time, however, there wasn't any proof of anything in that incident. Adding to that, when the police asked the mother if it Were true, she responded with a yes and the cop said "it's enough evidence, get in the car." OP, that might be the similar to your case
>>558931556 Since when do you have to submit to a psychological evalutation? You don't have to cooperate with shit they tell you to do. Just deny deny deny. Don't give them any more than they already have.
>>558934115 Well, I think no one considers me dangerous. The fact that on numerous occasions this same niece came to my home, interacted with me without problems and showed no sign of fear or contempt towards me should be a nice testimony to my character.
>>558925512 faggot dont know shit about laws. her testimony is not enough evidence. get a better lawyer. study body language(mostly lies) and go to their evaluation. deny everything. >>558935154 tell them this
>>558939305 The lawyer told me he couldn't tell me what to do, only advice(which he didn't do much of). I didn't cooperate, but I really needed more of a hands-on lawyer since in the beginning I didn't know what the fuck was going to happen.
>>558941648 If it was only a matter of facts you should/would be freed, but law nowadays is more about how you look and how you act. Try to look cool, don't lose your temper in front of the cops/lawyer/judges or whatever...
>>558945786 >>558946179 bring this up. >>558944618 >>558946364 lie detection tests are stupid, not many countries use them. if OP happen to need to pass trough one of those,its fairly easy All about heartbeats and google is your friend.
>>558944618 they don't work, only FMRI is remotely useful and that's far too new and so easy to 'misinterpret' that researchers who study it for a living unconsciously twist data to match what they expect
that said all forensics (except DNA) is bollocks, and people are convicted for it every day
>>558946783 moralfag yeah. >he should have known better. >fuck up the girl. not really. how does OP losing or winning would make her life better? Girl didnt suffered at all. Also, what we are saiyng is all about the justice system. Denying IS the best option in this case
>>558948461 Nigga please, current trends in phycological studies regarding childhood abuse (sexual, non-violent) leaves very little of a lasting mark if any at all provided no recurring pain is involved and I'm talking sucking dick and shit, I highly doubt a pet on the pussy did jack shit.
>inb4  >Educate yourselves, I wasn't put on this rock to breastfeed you info cunts.
>>558947904 If she remembered 4 years later then clearly it did do something to her.
I know that many here like to think it's all fine and blown out of proportions, but it actually can fuck someone up when they're touched inappropiately. It's an intrusion of their bodies for someone's sexual pleasure. That's wrong.
A minor financial compensation and, more importantly, the admission in itself will probably be enough to help her with closure. It just sucks how jailtime and a lifetime of stigma usually happens, which is just needlessly over the top.
in the US you would be fucked. touchin a kid in the US is like murdering one in europe. So since you're in europe, you're probably not gonna go to jail.
Second: You were underage. So you're gonna get some youth offender sentence which will most probably mean no jail at all. parole and/or workin in some elderly home for sick amounts of hours.
Ok listen, the worst that could happen is you gettin on the news for that shit. They ALWAYS exegerate with that crap. "Molested his niece" is all the write and people think you fucked her in the ass. That apparently did not happen and since you were able to "talk with friends" about it, and you're getting their support, you're pretty much a lucky man.
If you can afford it, get an experienced lawyer known to get people out of that shit.
>>558949578 It's not damaging and traumatizing as rape, but groping is a matter of principle. OP "took" something as personal as a someone's own body for their own. The girl had her body used by OP involuntarily, and as long as nothing is done with that, it will always be remain the situation where someone used her and just walked away with it. That stings.
As with theft, the only possible way to set things right, is literal payback.
>>558950897 >OP "took" something I wasn't aware OP had torn the little girls labia off, thanks for clearing that up. She was 6 dumbass, the majority of the 5-9 stage of life is forgotten by adulthood. Also, this sounds like a typical case of an outside party (in this case the aunt) causing the girl to view herself as a victim. I don't blame the girl, her heads not on right, she's starting to go through puberty and the nightmares that accompany that but do you really think this would be a problem if the aunt hadn't blown it out of proportion?
>>558949927 >>558950897 you are not helping OP Slipery slope fallacy detected. you are turning the events into exagered eufemisms, that have a diferent meaning. Girl didnt suffered. And if you really want to argue about it, at least do it decently
>>558951997 No as you can see I'm pretty much balancing in the grey area. Many people would say OP is a fucking rapist, should be locked up and that the kid is scarred for life. /b/ on the other hand is ridden with pedophiles who cling on the idea that sexual harrassment towards kids isn't such a big deal, or some even claim that kids actually like it.
First group of people wants to hate mindlessly, second one wants to fuck children.
I'm not even a kid, but if some faggot would grab my dick and run off, I would also rage and feel for more easily relieved of that if I manage to get some form of juridical compensation from him. It's a matter of privacy, principle and respect.
>>558953341 >balancing in the grey area. >any people would say OP is a fucking rapist, should be locked up and that the kid is scarred for life. Topkek
> I'm not even a kid, but if some faggot would grab my dick and run off, I would also rage and feel for more easily relieved of that if I manage to get some form of juridical compensation from him. It's a matter of privacy, principle and respect. What if he read you a bedtime story first?
>>558925512 Not too sure about the legal areas of this case, but I can tell you this: Most psychologists think that the whole "repressed trauma" thing is complete bullshit. It's widely agreed upon in the field that therapists use faulty techniques to bring these "memories" to the surface. How old was the girl at the time?
>>558953341 so if random stranger grabs your dick(without removing your underwer), and run a away you would sue him? Suing someone for randomly touching your groin area? Thats fucked up! Are you so insecure about your genitals that you would nedd compensation for that?
My uncle was falsely charged based on testimony only. When the girl was an adult, she told the judge that it never happened and she was put up to it by family to fuck him over. Judge refused to remove the charges, his life was fucked over it. Welcome to the new witch hunt.
>>558953953 That is unfortunate; if she had been <3, they would have had absolutely no case.
I would find a better, more specialized lawyer, though. If a lawyer can prove that the therapist on her side tricked her into creating a false memory (which is excessively common in therapy; it's incredibly easy to convince someone that something happened and have them vividly "remember" it) you could even countersue and walk away a winner. This has been a hot topic for a while in the psychology community and I'm sure there must be some lawyer qualified to tread those waters.
>>558925512 Why on earth did you tell your lawyer the truth? Your lawyer is not your friend any more than the cops are. The best answer to any question is i dont recall or i dont know, you can never be 100% sure of the answer to any question. That was advice from my lawyer.
>>558955716 >but the guilty guy just wants to get off That's what got him in this situation in the first place.
>(sigh) How terribly passive-aggressive and condescending.
>I laid out two common extremes I both don't agree with. You will need to clarify exactly what your argument is then because I don't go for the pushing of one's fuzzy agenda.
>I don't think you completely understood what I was (quite obviously) pointing out with my first two sentences. Incorrect, your first 2 sentences don't represent both side of the argument but that's a bit pedantic of me. I admit I didn't fully comprehend your post but that has something to do with my inebriation and, If we are honest, your last few posts weren't as clear.
It would piss me off and it would calm me down if I get an amount of money off the guy as compensation. Jailtime is pointless. Though the popular "scarred for life" is often very exaggerated, kids are more vulnerable so it's better to assume it's worse for them.
>>558956915 I'm fine with disagreement. It just frustrates me when people are so eager to get annoyed at what you're saying without taking the time to read things properly read things, so I have to explain stuff. Plus I'm sleep deprived so everything feels like it requires twice as much energy than it should.
>It just frustrates me when people are so eager to get annoyed at what you're saying without taking the time to read things properly You've been here before right? Not exactly the creme de la creme of society.
To everyone saying OP will have it easy because europe: >live in europe >country I live in is strongly against pedophiles >if convicted ans released never be able to get a job or hobby. >most likely won't be able to buy/rent a house. >chances of getting killed by local population.
>>558960792 The case is very hush hush. I'm not sure about the finding out part, there are organizations dedicated to putting faces to the names of child molesters. I'll just have to hope for the best if I lose.
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