Its morally wrong to not support israel. its not only their right to defend themselves, its their duty to do so. they MUST defend themselves from the thosands of rockets being fired towards their country.
>>558745687 We allready gave them gaza. you clearly havent done your research. there is no occupation - we moved any jewish settlement from there and even gave them their own authority - and all of that while we still provide them money, food, medicines and electricity
>>558745816 >occupies palestine for 20 years >claims moral high ground for acting in self defense, killing hundreds while Hamas kill 3 Typical jewfags compensating for their tiny shrivelled penises with big bank accounts and missiles.
>>558745594 Except thousands of rockets being shot into Israel does not =being punched. The only reason there are not mass deaths all over Israel is because of a missile defense system America set up in the region.
>>558745594 >Be me "Palestinian rockets are no real threat" >Okay, that makes sense. >Get rockets >Shoot them at your house as a prank >You shit yourself and call in the cops >police_helicopters.exe >Cops call homeland, the FBI, the national guard >attack_helicopters.exe >Get caught >go to court "Well I thought rockets were no big deal"
>>558745326 The guy in the video actually does make some good points. I don't generally give much thought to the entire situation over there since it does not concern me, but it would seem that the rest of the world holds Israel to a rather unreasonable double standard
>>558745326 OP, Hamas has killed 2 civilians during this conflict, they cant hit for shit. Israel has killed 870 civilians, you guys are the real terrorists. REALLY IDF.. 870 civilian deaths due to collateral damage? bull shit, you want to drive out every muslim so you can take more land.
>>558747110 The IDF take measures in order to minimize loss of life: 1. they send warnings to the citizens before firing - name another army that actually give warnings to save citizens and purposely lose the surprise element to save life.
2. we fire a "warning shot" few minutes before the actual bombing, just to give citizens a chance to run away from the bombing
3. if there are citizens spotted too close to the bombing, the bombing is getting cancelled. this was captured in footage and happened many times - we dont purposedly try to harm citizens, our enemy is the terror organization known as the hamas and not the people of gaza.
Despite of all those measures there are still casualties, but there could have been alot, alot more. the people of gaza dont have iron dome to protect them, and they dont have proper shelters to hide in. IDF purposely announce its attacks, which would have been unthinkable for other armies, just to minimize loss of life, and yet when an area is so densly populated and arsenals are hidden inside a dense population, its impossible to avoid deaths.
>>558747231 Ok so by that standard you would have no problem having thousand rockets shot into your home? Would you not defend yourself? Also what if you agreed to a peace treaty 5 times and they say fuck you and still shoot rockets into your home. Would that not be "self defense" to you?
>>558747472 Using a count of casualties is a kindergarten tier argument.
There are alot of casualties in the palestinian side because Hamas use its own citizens as a human shield. there are few casualties on the israeli side because we have an advanced anti-missile system and the rockets of the hamas arent as advanced as ours
>>558745326 “Three generations of Palestinians have been forced out of their homes—by Israelis—and into refugee camps. And the Israelis are still bulldozing Palestinians’ homes in East Jerusalem. Remember, Menachem Begin invented terrorism as his MO—and bragged about it in his first book. That’s how Israel was created, aided and abetted by U.S. money and arms.”
>>558747957 Yes, its impossible for a country to not defend itself when a terror organization fire thousands of rockets on its land. israel even tried to achieve a seize fire, but the hamas kept firing rockets even during the supposed seize fire, and thats why the war is still going on
Imagine if canada would fire rockets on 40% of the land of USA, and rejected a seize fire. it would be the duty of usa to attack canada
>>558747583 you're talking about the same country that had to be ordered not to nuke iran at the last minute recently. i don't think you can go around calling those guys heroes. they are one of the biggest threats to peace in the middle-east .they love throwing their weight around.
July 2, 1946: The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed, killing 91 people.
Menachem Begin, who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for peace, is the same man who planned the destruction of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. Ex prime minister, Shamir, was originally a member of the Jewish terrorist gang called Irgun, which was headed by none other than Menachem Begin. Shamir later moved over to the even more radical "Stern Gang," which committed many vicious atrocities.
>>558748670 Shamir himself has defended the various assassinations committed by the Irgun and Stern gangs on the grounds that "it was the only way we could operate, because we were so small. So it was more efficient and more moral to go for selected targets." The selected moral targets in those early days of the founding of the state of Israel included bombing of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin.
>>558745326 Kike attitude of Deming to demonstrate empathy for both sides and then stressing the wrongs done against israel. Basically Israel has suffered property damage. The people you are bombing are your own citizens since you don't recognize them as a separate legal nation. I guess morality in Israel says things are worth more than people, but what else should we expect from jews? You guys really learned how to out Nazi the nazis
>>558748854 April 9, 1948: A combined force of Irgun and Stern Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin. Most of whom were women and children. The Israeli hordes even attacked the dead to satisfy their bestial tendencies. In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated. The Israeli military conquest, therefore was made against a defenseless people, who had been softened up by such earlier massacres as Deir Yasin (where 250 Arabs; men, women and children were massacred).
>>558748024 >Hamas use its own citizens as a human shield
>Hamas government representative lives in a high rise apartment building with his family >Israel declares this to be his terrorist base of operations and sends a missile in >dozens killed, hundreds homeless when high rise apartment building is destroyed >This is considered a tragedy because "human shields", not because "Israel targets peoples homes regardless of population density"
"But my warning shots!"
They're shooting peoples homes, hospitals, and schools.
This is not a war, this is an exercise in ethnic cleansing.
>>558749187 >In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated
>>558748661 Sharing is a vague word. They've constantly been under attack since inception of the damn desert country and you want them to open their boarders for the suicidal devotees to destroy the country?
that's the most one sided relationship ever. Israel exists 6 countries tried to destroy it and it still stands strong.
You look at the GDP per person in israel and you look at the GDP per person in palistine. Israel knows how to function while palistinians are stuck in a feudal time. Give the stronger country space to breathe and then the surrounding area could actually become increasingly prosperous, but no let's do things unnaturally and have the jews secede to every whim and desire before we actually consider doing anything properly.
If I am not making sense then people are just fucking ignorant lol
Yeah sure. They had to do the same damn thing 9 years ago because These so called "people" were shooting rockets into their home then too. That time they did the same thing but left greenhouses and things so they can have food and the possibility of rebuilding a better Gaza.
Now lets see what Gaza did in those 9 years. Oh yeah they fucking knocked all that shit down then said we are starving and took the money to build more rockets, just so they can toss shit into Israel again.
So what is going to happen this time. Israel is going to destroy all the rockets and then i bet in a few years Gaza is going to get missiles again and repeat.
>>558749678 Since the destruction of Israel appears to be a shared goal of Palestinian and Islamicterrorist groups, an examination of the role Jewish terrorism played in the creation andexpansion of the state of Israel as one of the causal explanations for the current use of terrorism by Palestinian and Islamic terrorist groups is also warranted. Terrorism wasused by adherents of the Jewish religion many centuries before it was ever used byChristians, Muslim and other types of religious extremists.
>>558749314 Did you forget the part that Hamas are occupying these peoples homes, hospitals, and schools? Its not like Israel points the cannon at whatever they think would be the coolest to see explode.
>>558749846 Therefore, the focus of thisessay will be on literature that analyzes and discusses the case of Jewish terrorist groups,such as the Irgun and the Stern Group, and the role played by Jewish Zionist terrorism inthe creation of the state of Israel as well as in expanding Israel¶s borders since 1948. The paucity of literature about the history of Jewish Zionist terrorism, as compared to thewealth of recent literature focused on Islamic terrorism, also shows that much moreresearch is needed on all different types of religiously inspired violent terrorism.
>>558749846 >. That time they did the same thing but left greenhouses and things so they can have food and the possibility of rebuilding a better Gaza.
Where are you pulling this shit out of? What Jewish terrorist? Do you realize no one even used the word terrorist until after 9/11? Jews have been persecuted for a thousand years and they were the ones terrorizing shit? LOL jesus fucking christ smite this motherfucker
VIDEO: IDF using Palestinians as Human Shields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLmxLhp0PtU [Embed]
VIDEO: IDF gives Hamas a lesson in using human shields (against grenade): http://youtu.be/SgrUeou3MlE [Embed]
Israeli army asks Supreme Court to reconsider ban on human shields http://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-army-asks-supreme-court-reconsider-ban-human-shields/2261
IDF Soldier Testimonies To Using Palestinian Civilians as Human Shields https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKgIKvIPn-o [Embed] And some more UN: Palestinian children tortured, used as human shields by Israel http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.530993
IDF soldiers use Nablus youths as ‘human shield’ http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3387356,00.html
Israel’s Ill-Treatment of Detained Palestinian Children ‘Widespread’ http://original.antiwar.com/klochendler/2013/04/22/israels-ill-treatment-of-detained-palestinian-children-widespread/
Video: Israeli soldiers use handcuffed Palestinian teen as human shield as they fire at protestors http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-use-handcuffed-palestinian-teen-human-shield-they-fire
THE DAY ISRAEL USED A BOY AGED 13 AS A HUMAN SHIELD http://futurefastforward.com/component/content/article/906-misc/823-the-day-israel-used-a-boy-aged-13-as-a-human-shield
Palestinian brothers: Israel used us as human shields in Gaza war http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/23/gaza-human-shields-claim
Israel accused of using Palestinian children as human shields http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/mar/09/israel
>Pope goes into Israel and creates the Catholic Kingdom of Israel. Burning all the jews in the middle east >the CKI burns Palestine and all its inhabitants >creates larhest stockpile of nuclear weapons >peace in the Middle East through superior firepower
>>558750023 Are you sure about that? >>558749780 >they give warning to citizens to evacuate before bombing No they don't >after that they give a warning shot to give them another chance to evacuate No they don't >after that, if they see any citizens too close to the explosion radius, they cancel the bombing No they Triple don't >the opened field medical areas to treat wounded palestinian people No they didn't >some palestinian people are being treated in israeli hospitals The reason they're in the hospital is because they got bombed by jews, which contradicts your first 3 points
>trying to shift the focus off of the fact you're a bunch of genocidal jews to the usa killing people in iraq Yup. We got a case 1 jew here
>>558750152 Bro...Israel has been under seige by it's neighbors since inception. Do you really think they will secede so quickly? Especially after palistinians made hamas their leaders? You cannot tell me that there isn't obvious brainwashing going on over there.
Hamas says they won't stop until israel is gone. Yet you support him? No matter what israel will do they won't stop, so why support them? They are the ones who obviously are unwilling to change their minds.
I didn't read the thread but it's basically choosing between >an arabic savage country who hates and can't wait to destroy Europe and Amercia >a mostly developed people who live in democracy and share nothing with their fellow sandniggers, despite having their own flaws like every culture Guess who I choose.. I wouldn't even need to know about the reason of their war
I do not know much about Isreal, but what I do know is opinions passed to me by political newspaper types. And everyone seems to agree that either the 1947 lines for Isreal/Palestine should be enacted, or that peace between the two are as peaceful as it gets.
>>558751000 No I'm talking about how easily this guy's throwing that word around. I'm not trying to generalize. He's making it sound like jews are the criminals of the world and tries to associate terrorism with them.
There are fucking 15 million jews on this planet and they're suicidal bombers? lulz`
>>558751101 if israel has been under siege since then, maybe we shouldnt have sanctioned them to begin with. I mean, Jews were a minority population in a land previously promised to the native arab populace. I'd be pissed too.
OH. Well, that's different. I guess I should've known there was a perfectly good reason to blow up schools full of children, hospitals full of the wounded, and homes full of families.
"Because terrorists were in there, we totally swear."
How rash of me to assume.
Anyway, ethno-centric theocracies are not anything I believe needs to exist in this world. Israel is just one of many when it comes to the nations of belligerently insane sand pounders.
What makes the Israelis really believe that the rest of the world has to choose a side? Turds and douches, man. The only reason I care at all is 1. innocent civilians being killed is morally wrong, no matter how you try to spin it; 2. you shit flinging rape apes throw so much shit at each other that it inevitably gets on everyone else in the world, and we are all tired of your shit. Don't assume that your Christian Shabbas Goyim politicians are going to be able to keep the US from getting tired of your shit.
>>558750470 You can't compare that to the situation with Gaza and Israel. These Israel soldiers are protecting their families and the things they love, they're facing against an army; not one criminal. So its not like once they shoot a house full of civs. and Hamas rocket shooters they get to pack their bags and rush back to their Torah. Also, its not like the IDF didn't warn these places, they've sent evacuation notices to a lot of the buildings housing the rocket attacks. If those Gaza civs. don't want to leave but instead welcome the Hamas in their homes, I'd blow em up too after a few warnings.
>>558751896 many of these bloggers have been trained to attempt to make friends with you by pretending that they share an interest in your favorite sports team or movie, or that they went to the same school, but they will ultimately try to recruit you to attack other groups or individuals that Israel thinks is against its national interests
>>558750691 >Israel was given land. Then expanded beyond the British mandate. Correction: Jews bought land. Brits fought it tooth and nail. Jews fought the Brits. The UN stepped in and made a cock of it. The Brits fought it more. Jews and Palestinians kicked the Brits out. Other countries convinced the Palestinians to fight a proxy war against israel and lost. Israel pushed their borders back as punishment for the war.
It's complicated, but there are some really simple things that aren't rocket science.
1. Israel has a fundamental right to defend itself against rocket attacks and suicide bombers. 2. The blockade against Gaza is not sustainable morally, politically, or economically. 3. The use of human shields, e.g. Military operations in hospitals, is reprehensible.
The 6.4 Billion dollar question is: Do Palestinians have the ability and political will to reject Terrorism and the outside influences that would pawn them in attacks against Israel?
>>558752332 >opressive regime that gives money, food, medicines and electricity to the other side, treat wounded people from the other side and participated in many plans to help and develop gaza to help them get out of their situation
>>558752049 >it's ok to bomb civilians Jew detected >>558752082 They attacked israel because that land was filled with muslims before us brits decided it was a good idea to give it to jews because "muh genocyde" >>558752604 No he wasn't >>558752726 >saying i don't have an argument and ignoring my other points Look up the definition of the word hypocrite, because that's what you are.
>>558752223 >So you admit that bombing a compound full of children is totes ok, and asking UNICEF to leave a bunch of poor people to die so you can bomb them is totes ok as well.
I'm not saying it is okay, but is it okay that the government in that country, which was democratically elected by its people, is doing that in the first place while attacking a country that is capable of much more than 800 deaths?
If you want intervention don't point at Israel. There is a government right next door to it that hates jews. How hard is it to understand that being bombarded by them and threatened isn't going to settle things for the Israelis.
>>558752110 the jews have used that word so much that most just assume its dealing with jews, and its the arabic people that are also semitic not muslims. muslims are a group of people practice the religion of islam
>>558747880 Defending yourself from the agression you drove those people into. i.e. they're shooting rockets because israel is an aparteid state that is invading their land and killing their people. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
>>558753280 >has jewish ancestry Literally just about every non-Arab and Sub-Saharan African could say they have Jewish ancestry. I assume you're not a sand nigger or porch monkey, does that make you a kike?
>>558752332 You're not even providing any evidence that they are being oppressed. I'm starting to think that you're not being objective about the matter and are simply emotionally defending palistine. I'm not israeli. I'm merely a bystander, but I feel like I see things pretty clearly.
You fail in your arguments by ignoring the fact that you're justifying bombing israel because it is an oppressive regime, as you so call it, but israel cannot defend itself because fuck them? that's literally your argument man. grow up and learn to maintain a constructive debate
>>558753618 Leave their country? As much as I don't like the circumstances surrounding the current Israeli state's creation it's still millions of people's country. On top of that Arabs have a shit ton of places they can go, if they avoid killing eachother.
You people do realize Palestine's government wants the utter extinction of all Jews right? At least if Israel has those intentions they try to hide it.
Just where in the fuck are these people supposed to go? If you got a letter in the mail saying "LOL we're going to blow up your house!" and you were broke and there was a fuckhuge wall around your town so you couldn't actually leave, what would you do? The school is now a "terrorist storage facility" and the hospital is now a "terrorist operations center." The town square is full of people killed in the last operation because there is nowhere else to put them, and at any moment hot metal could come flying out of the sky and kill you.
I suppose you could just walk around your neighborhood, trying to figure out which building exactly is going to explode next and thanking God that your enemy is so monumentally MORAL about all of this.
except I didn't say that, I said if someones stupid enough to watch others homes be blown up for housing terrorist and then be WARNED to leave so they don't also get blown up, but instead ignore everything around them and watch the television say that "jews are bad asdfghj!"... then they get whats coming at them.
And also, I wasn't referring to your other points but to the ones were you sound like a fucking 5 year that won't accept something they know is true but deny anyway.
>>558753280 >jewish ancestry >so shes jewish in my book. btw that is why Israelis what are harassing other Jews all over the world with. >you are a Jew you have to support Israel and be a Zionist, even come to the Holy Land or we will call you outcast
A lot of Semite Jews are seen as outcasts by Zionist Nazis because they are happy where they are and don't want to be part of Israel.
Israel is practically ruled by the Jew-Nazi majority that is also referred to as Zionists.
>>558754167 >On top of that Arabs have a shit ton of places they can go You're retarded. they're not arabs, arab is a name for someone who comes from the arabian peninsula, but you wouldn't know that, because you're a moron.
>>558746615 I'm not strongly in favour of either side in this - but I will second the fact that Israel gets fucked over by a great deal of antisemitism and propaganda - though that doesn't excuse some of its actions
>>558754321 well I wouldn't stay in my fucking house were death is imminent like some muslim retard thats for sure. I mean have you read the news were its always the same story? They don't leave their homes, just sit there
>>558754952 You do realize "Arab" means Arabic speaking right? If you tried to divide the middle east based on ethnic divisions you wouldn't have enough ink for the lines. Besides Palestinians are largely of Christian and Jewish origin anyways so there's no real way to define them.
>>558752598 >opressive regime that gives money, food, medicines and electricity to the other side, treat wounded people from the other side and participated in many plans to help and develop gaza to help them get out of their situation
>>558755793 "Besides Palestinians are largely of Christian and Jewish origin anyways so there's no real way to define them." Oh, so that's why they're called Muslims! I FORGOT MUSLIM IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR SOMEONE OF IS OF CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH ORIGIN. MY BAD. But thanks for supporting what i said about the correct use of the word arab dude.
>>558745326 anyone criticising Israel who currently lives in and supports a country which invaded Iraq in 2003 is a hypocrite. There were many many more civilian casualties and almost 0 threat to any of the civilians in those invading countries.
I can't help but feel like beneath everything, the people that are strongly against Israel believe that somehow it has less of a right than other countries to exist and defend itself due to its history...
>>558754857 stop comparing things that don't really compare well with each other, it doesn't look right Anyway, the situation isn't Israels one day said "hay lets send warnngs tu peepole and blow stuff upp!!11" but actually they were attacked by a 100 rockets a day/
>>558756472 It does look right. You didn't do anything to israel right? So children didn't do israel anything but yet, they die in their homes, in beach. So these two situations are the same. The only difference is you are living other country than Palastine
>>558756050 I'm trying to hear people out, get peoples opinions on Gaza and Israel. not some shit you came up with on the top of your head thinking the situations sounded similar thus making them exactly the same.
here's the part I do not understand. people say the land historically belongs to the Palestinians, and everyone except Israel seems to just accept that.
So, who has been around longer: Jews or Muslims? Obviously, Judaism predates Islam by a thousand years. You probably heard of Israel. It was the land occupied by Jews before there was ANY Christianity, ever. So the UN said in 1947 (and Balfour in 1920 before that) that Israel is clearly the Jewish homeland from practically the beginning of human civilization.
>>558757562 It is their fault they didn't leave when IDF warned in advance by days, not seconds they had plenty of time to leave. Its also their fault they didn't leave when a bunch of strangers walked in with rockets. They'd have to be living under a rock to not understand whats going on around them
>>558758283 I'm a zionist? I was born in fucking Slough, England, I moved to Hull, then to Birmingham, the to Brighton. The only time i've ever been out of the country is to go kill deer and shit for like a month in Russia. I hate jews, i hate muslims, i hate most religion.
>>558758652 It is their fault they didn't leave when Hamas warned in advance by days, not seconds they had plenty of time to leave. Its also their fault they didn't leave when a bunch of strangers walked in with rockets. They'd have to be living under a rock to not understand whats going on around them
Fixed for you
>>558758520 By your way of thinking, the world belongs to only religions. So, tomorrow, the Vatican could just start bombing shit and be like "yo it was ours because ours was the first religion in this country dawg"
>>558758280 Ok, I never said the beach deaths were the civs fault; thats Israel's fault. The kid wasn't even warned so yes thats bad. I'll agree with that.
But it was an accident, the homes that are purposely targeted aren't. There are terrorist rushing into homes of Gaza with rockets, even #freepalestine supporters know that. So I think you're alittle behind on the facts of whats actually happening.
americans suipport israel snowden traitor top america kill snowden is solution hamas still get blown up bwcause if it isnt israel it is next middleastern country, fuck violence in middle east let them all dies
>>558759765 You have a strange thinking style. You are saying that If you warn someone, you have "right" to kill him. Israel killed 154 children, injured 1125 children and we all saw that israel killed a women by a fucking sniper. Ooops BIG MISTAKE
>>558758520 >Judaism predates Islam by a thousand years.
Liberty for the descendents of the Canaanites, then. I mean, since we're basing modern state claims on racial mythology, it says right there in their own tribal record that the Jews fucked off from Egypt, illegally crossed the border into another country, signed a treaty with the current inhabitants to peacefully coexist, and then immediately began to murder, rape, and enslave those people who had suggested they intermarry and live in peace.
The only language sand niggers understand is force, you fight terrorism with terror, kikes understood that in the 50s-70s, today it's only cool if arabs do the murdering, jews became soft and won't be able to protect the western world for long
>>558760240 nobody owns land only defend land from attack if cant defend then you fall in line move out or killed we are all people of earth middle east people of irrational thought jews take all good jobs
You know, after the Holocaust, you'd think Jews would be strongly against genocide, but you'd be wrong. Apparently, they believe genocide is only wrong when they're the victims/targets. I guess they didn't learn the first time, so I say we try again.
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