I think godslayer I would ask "what door would you take?" Assuming the hell is bad heaven is good bs. Bad bird would want to go to hell so he lies and points me to heaven, good bird is good so he points me to heaven both point to heaven. Does this work?
God slayer mode, Ask the bird, When you die which door will lead to the place that your soul goes. The Liar will lie and say that he's going to heaven and the truthful bird will say he is going to heaven. take the door that either bird picks when asked this question
>>553500809the lying bird would want to go to heaven but will lie and say that the door to hell is the one you should go through, the truthful bird will say heaven 50/50 chance of this being a good solution
Ask any bird "Are either of the following statements true? You tell the truth and are by the door to heaven; or You are the liar and are not by the door to heaven." If the bird says yes go through it's door, if it says no go through the other bird's door
>>553500152 Dude, your god mode IS the god slayer answer it's not a hypothetical because there really is a bird just phrase it "You cannot see it, but there is a bird who says the opposite of you, which door would he lead me to if I wanted to go to heaven" it's not a hypothetical
I ask one bird to awner the riddle, if he sound like a bullshit I know he it's a lie visa versa, I then ask the other one, know if its bad or not what do do I take to heavan and open the door acordingly.
>>553502425 >>553502395 >liars go to hell that's bullshit god test people by lying to them all the time remember abraham or whoever it was who was sent to kill his son you can't assume that either of the birds will go to either place the bird who always tells the truth might be a murderer/pedophile
>>553502395 I already said that and explained it thoroughly >>553502426 They both think the same door leads to heaven and the opposite leads to hell the only difference is that the lying bird will lie about which door it is if you asked him to show you
>>553502595 both birds will answer, "I deserve to go through the heaven door" OR, if you ask "do you deserve to go through the door on the right", the liar will tell you to go to hell
Here's the real godslayer Kill one of the birds and eat it's flesh to absorb it's powers you will be permanently bonded to the realm and forced to either always lie or always tell the truth but when the next person comes you have two choices before he asks you a question you can either tell him that you are the one who always tells the truth or you could say "I AM not A LIAR", either way tell him which one you are that way when he becomes god, he can free you from your job or You can kill the next person being tested, eat him and absorb his powers, and then just leave
>>553503576 Ok, I stand in front of a door and say: "My religion states that all liars, and only liars, deserve to go to hell, while all honest entities, and only honest entities, deserve to go to heaven.
By the standards of my religion, do you deserve to go through this door?"
If the bird says yes, I go in, if not, I choose the other.
>>553503024 no you did fuck up because if he says yes, then you don't know which statement he is complying to both birds could say yes to the first statement meaning you still don't know which one is the liar and which isn't if you ask the truth bird, then you're good, if you ask the lying bird, then you're fucked
>>553504534 If he says yes it means its the truth bird... The lying bird has to say no or it is telling the truth... They can both say yes to the first statement, but in doing so the 2nd statement is also a yes (making the lyer claim hes a lyer making him tell the truth)
>>553505154 the lying bird could say yes and still be lying the first statement you gave was "you are the telling the truth and are by the door to heaven" you are just assuming that the bird telling the truth is also the bird next to the door to heaven if the bird who always lies is next to the door to hell it would say "yes I am the bird who always tells the truth and yes I am next to the door to heaven" you said "are either of the statements true" which means that it would just say yes to the first statement and nothing else
if someone told you "say yes if you like either apples or oranges" it doesn't mean you like apples it doesn't mean you like oranges it doesn't mean you like either it just means that you either like either apples or oranges
tl;dr, the bird only has to say yes to one of the statements for it to do it's job
>>553506039 and to follow up if the bird telling the truth is by the door to hell it would say no if the bird who always lies is by the door to heaven it would say no your chances are improved, but you still aren't getting a clear answer
Everyone here needs to rewatch the movie Labrnth. When the chick gets to the part with 2 sheep lookin card dudes and they ask a riddle. She ended up going through the wrong door, so you ask the same question she did only go to the door that doesn't lead down. lol
>>553506039 >>553506278 First of all im not assuming the bird that tells the truth is next to heaven but if the truth bird was NOT next to heaven it would say NO making me go to the other door because the truth is the truth (even if i dont know its the truth bird) If the lying bird WAS next to heaven it would still say no because it is still a a part of the statement "YOU ARE THE LIAR and are not by the door to heaven." so i would go through the other door
good bird next to heaven = yes good bird not next to heaven = no (go through other door) bad bird next to heaven = no (go through other door) bad bird not next to heaven = no ( go through other door)
here is your answer OP assuming that both birds dont know the existance of the other then both will answer my question at the same time so... i get close to any door, then ask them am i closer to the door to heaven? if answer is yes, you got it if answer is no, its hell.
Is exactly one of the following two statements true: you always lie; the door to heaven is on the right?
Case 1: Truth bird, heaven is on right. Answer: Yes (only the second statement is true) Case 2: Truth bird, heaven is on left. Answer: No (both statements are true) Case 3: Liar bird, heaven is on right. Answer: Yes (both statements are true, so the bird will lie by saying exactly one is true) Case 4: Liar bird, heaven is on left. Answer: No (only the first statement is true, so the bird will lie by saying it is not the case that exactly one is true)
Choose the right door if the bird says yes and the left door if it says no.
>>553507762 but what if the lie bird was next to hell it would say "yes" because one of the statements is "You are the bird that tells the truth AND is next to the door to heaven" the problem lies in the fact that they only have to answer one of the questions to say either yes or no your chances improve, but you still don't know
>>553508596 >trying to get around the one question limit. I am not. The point of the limit is that the bird will give only one "yes" or "no" answer and no more. I am asking one question and getting one answer back, and that single binary answer gives enough information to determine which door leads to heaven. If I asked "do you lie and is the door to heaven on the right?" I would not get enough information, because the truth bird will always answer "no," regardless of which door is which.
>>553508852 >I would still know which bird is telling the truth so I could get to heaven. How would that get you to heaven? You still don't know which door is which and you can't ask anybody. You would still just have to guess one of the doors. Finding out which bird is which was not the task; the task was finding out which door was which.
>>553509296 >I will find out the door by finding out which bird tells the truth. How? There is no rule that the bird who tells the truth is next to heaven or next to hell, and you can't ask any more questions because you only get one.
>>553509325 you are really wrong. the number of gold coins doesnt matter what is really important is the number of boxes that contains at least a gold coin. and because your first draw was gold there is only the chance to get a silver, or another gold coin.
>>553509325 the question is "what are the chances the next coin you pill will also be gold" which means that you've already picked one of two boxes and a gold coin from them the silver box doesn't mean anything because you've already picked a coin had the question asked, what were your chances of picked the gold coin, you'd be right but because it's asking you to pick from two boxes that definitely contained gold, meaning that the box with two silver coins wasn't picked, means that there's a 50% chance the box you picked had another gold coin in it
tl;dr, you picked one of the boxes with the gold coins in it so you know that the box containing two silver pieces wasn't the box you picked
>>553508425 If the liar bird says yes, that means he is telling the truth. "You tell the truth and are by the door to heaven" "You are the liar and are not by the door to heaven" they are both statements. if the liar bird were to say yes it means he is claiming that one of the statements is true. the question is "are EITHER of these statements true" nowhere does it say which one is to be said to be true or false. Just to say if EITHER of them are true or false. if the lie bird says yes. It means he just told a truth because of the 2nd statement "you are the lie bird." If in my question i asked to point out which statement was true/false it would be a whole different story
>>553509763 >what is really important is the number of boxes that contains at least a gold coin. No, the number of coins in each box also matters. Think about it like this: Before you picked, you had a 1/3 chance of picking the double silver box, a 1/3 chance of picking the double gold box, and a 1/3 chance of picking the mixed box, BUT if you picked the mixed box, you would then have only a 1/2 chance of picking the gold coin from it. So it was initially twice as likely that you would pick a gold coin from the double gold box than from the mixed box.
Or look at it another way. There are two bags, one containing a million gold coins, and one containing 999,999 silver coins and one gold coin. You randomly take one coin from one bag and it is gold. Which is more likely, that you picked the all-gold bag or the almost-all-silver bag?
>>553511139 >48÷2(9+3) Well that question just depends on whether you perform implicit multiplication (multiplying the coefficient by the parenthetical without writing the multiplication sign) before ordinary multiplication and division, or if you do it all left-to-right. The standard rule is that multiplication and division are performed left to right, but in many cases (including some but not all calculators), the implicit multiplication is performed before the explicit division.
So depending on which source you consult, you will get either 288 or 2.
Whereas the probability question given here is nothing like that. There is only one right answer, and it is 2/3. In this way it is similar to the Monty Hall problem in that there is an objective and provably correct answer, but many people won't understand it anyway.
Let us assume that there are five houses of different colors next to each other on the same road. In each house lives a man of a different nationality. Every man has his favorite drink, his favorite brand of cigarettes, and keeps pets of a particular kind.
The Englishman lives in the red house. The Swede keeps dogs. The Dane drinks tea. The green house is just to the left of the white one. The owner of the green house drinks coffee. The Pall Mall smoker keeps birds. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhills. The man in the center house drinks milk. The Norwegian lives in the first house. The Blend smoker has a neighbor who keeps cats. The man who smokes Blue Masters drinks bier. The man who keeps horses lives next to the Dunhill smoker. The German smokes Prince. The Norwegian lives next to the blue house. The Blend smoker has a neighbor who drinks water.
>>553511403 >the first one is still 50/50 tho. The same logic still applies though. In the million coin example, it is a million times as likely you picked the all-gold bag than the mixed bag, whereas in the two coin example it is twice as likely.
>>553510104 if the liar bird says yes, it means that he is lying about the first statement if he says yes, then it doesn't mean he's answering the question about the second statement
I get what you're saying, I really do, but you have to amend your words to "is your answer to either of these questions true" not "are the statements true" because you aren't judging the statements, you're judging the answers
>>553512248 Well the prompt never state that if you pick hell that you won't become god's successor only that you have to figure out which door goes to heaven his answer only works if god slayer mode is active
>>553499694 God slayer mode. Make the following statements: "I am a human." "I am a car." Both guards have witnessed you telling 1 truth and 1 lie so it's an observable fact that you are more honest than the truth teller and less honest than the liar. Pick a guard and stand so that 1 of the doors is closer to you and the other door is closer to the guard. Ask the guard, "Of the two of us, is the more honest one closer to the door to Heaven?" If the guard says yes, the door closer to you leads to Hell. If it says no, the door leads to Heaven.
GOD SLAYER: asks what is one plus one to one bird. If bird lies or tells the truth ask other bird which door is hell. If first bird lied go through opposite door. If first bird tells truth go through same door.
>>553512987 no, you're only stuck with the door to hell which means that you could go to hell and then go back through a different door or just fucking teleport to heaven, or however going to heaven works you're just assuming that there's only one door to heaven
>>553512938 >so it's an observable fact that you are more honest than the truth teller and less honest than the liar. Whoops, mixed that up. Meant to say "you're less honest than the truth teller and more honest than the liar." The rest stands, though.
>>553513272 you just have to phrase it as a non-hypothetical as in a statement not a question
"You cannot see it, but there is a bird who says the opposite of you, which door would he lead me to because I want to go to heaven/through the door that leads to heaven"
putting the word if in a question doesn't make it a hypothetical, that's not how it works a question is hypothetical if it either presents choices and statements that have yet to be proven or choices and statements that aren't true
"Pretend that there is a bear to your left and a tiger to your right, which animal would you go to?" is a hypothetical question that doesn't use the word IF
>>553512087 Im even hurting my own brain over this one, i guess i made the question a bit cryptic. I guess il just put this in a little table
You tell the truth and are by the door to heaven truth/heaven = yes truth/hell = no lie/heaven = yes (means he also says yes to 2nd statement) lie/hell = yes (means he also says yes to 2nd statement) You are the liar and are not by the door to heaven truth/heaven = no truth/hell = no lie/heaven = yes (because of his answer to first statement) lie/hell = yes (because of his answer to first statement)
thus, the liar claims he is the liar by answering the first statement with a yes making this an impossible choice because the liar never tells the truth
the only answer is he chooses no for both statements meaning he isnt telling the truth
>>553514026 >easy: what door will the other bird say is hell? Yup >god: if you die, which door will you end up in? You'd have to add a qualifier to that one for it to work. Something like "Assuming that telling the truth automatically merits heaven and lies automatically merit hell" >anyone have a legit god slayer yet? Yup, see >>553512938 with the correction here >>553513545
>>553514349 >means he also says yes to 2nd statement that's not how it works
if the "bird who never lies" is by "the door to heaven", by your own logic if he says yes, that means he's lying because he's also saying yes to the second statement, which means the bird couldn't have answered if he says no, that means he's lying because of the first statement, which means the bird couldn't have answered
you can't have it both ways, I really do get what you're trying to say
>>553499694 Ask Bird 1 "I'm about to rip your head off, will you die?" it answers yes or no depending on what bird it is. If the bird is Immortal I know it lied/ told the truth. Ask Bird 2 "what door goes to heaven?" Use knowledge from other bird to make choice.
>>553514679 Yes, 900 times as common in fact (or 1000 times as common if you are including larger gets). But NTMA was 400M get, which means it was not just 8 in a row but 8 specifically zeros, so it's really like 9000 times as rare as quints.
>>553515713 no you are saying that the bird who lies is answering both statements so the bird who truths is answering both statements
you said, if the bird who lies is by the door to hell, it cannot say yes because the second statement would become true, which means it told the truth this means that if the bird who tells the truth is by the door to heaven, it cannot say yes because the second statement would become false, which means it told a lie
>>553515705 >Too many assumptions. You're assuming the liar bird deserves hell simply for lying and the honest bird hasn't done anything to deserve hell. Or it could be that both birds are simply automatons carrying out God's will and don't "deserve" anything, good or bad. You'd have to add a hypothetical which means it doesn't work for God Slayer.
>>553516172 One bird is BAD and always lies One is a GOOD bird always tells the truth
The bad bird would be forced to say it would go to heaven and the good bird would be forced to say it would go to heaven. The only reason I get screwed is if both birds lie and neither tells the truth.
There is no hypothetical this was all based on the original statement. I will become god now.
>>553516715 it doesn't say morally bad or good just that if you knew which bird was which, you'd trust the good bird also, that assumes that the birds even have souls and that even if they do, animals go to heaven
>>553516715 Again, how do you know that the truth teller deserves to go to heaven? Maybe it murders people when it's not guarding the door. And how do you know the liar deserves hell? Maybe it's forced to lie through no fault of its own so it's completely innocent.
heaven is next to truth bird = yes heaven is not next to truth bird = no (because no statements are truths) heaven is next to lie bird = no ( cant tell truth/ claiming a statement is true is telling the truth) heaven is not next to lie bird = no ( cant tell truth/ claiming a statement is true is telling the truth)
>>553517729 but the bird who tells the truth next to the door to heaven cannot say yes because the second statement isn't true, which means that it would be telling a lie the second statement is "You are the bird who always lies next to the heaven door", and the truth bird next to the heaven door would be telling a lie if he said yes
If heaven is next to the liar bird, both statements are false, so the bird will answer "yes" not "no." Obviously that's important to your solution being correct, because otherwise a "no" answer wouldn't tell you which door was which.
>>553518141 >the bird who tells the truth next to the door to heaven cannot say yes because the second statement isn't true, which means that it would be telling a lie That's retarded. He didn't ask if BOTH statements were true, he asked if EITHER statement was true. That question has a simple yes or no answer in all cases. Either it is indeed the case that either statement is true or it is not the case. Another way or wording it would be "is at least one of the following statements true".
>>553501703 I think this is right. Statement 1: You tell the truth and are next to the heaven door. Statement 2: You are the liar and not next to the heaven door. The Question is simply "Are either of the statements true?" Case 1: You ask the question to the truth bird next to the heaven door. Answer: Yes (use door). In this case, Statement 1 will be True, and Statement 2 will be False, thus the answer to the question is yes and the bird will answer yes. Case 2: Truth bird/hell door Answer: No (use other door). Statement 1 is False and Statement 2 is False; the bird will answer no. Case 3: Liar bird/heaven door Answer: Yes (use door) Statement 1 is False and so is Statement 2. Therefore, the true answer to the question will be no, but the liar bird will answer yes because he is a liar. Case 4: Liar bird/hell door Answer: No (use other door). Statement 1 is False but Statement 2 is true. The true answer to the question is yes and thus the liar bird will say no. The validity of each of the two statements will be known by the bird when you ask it the question and only once it evaluates the true answer to the question (if either one of the statements is true) will the bird give its answer. The only difference is that the truth bird will tell you if either statement is true while the liar bird will invert its answer.
>>553518749 exactly so if the bird who lied was next to the hell door, it would mean that it could say yes to the first statement I've been trying to get him to understand that, I was just using his logic against him
>>553519190 >so if the bird who lied was next to the hell door, it would mean that it could say yes to the first statement No . . .
The bird would have to say "no," because it is TRUE that either of the statements is true. He is not saying "choose from the following two questions which one you want to answer," he is saying "answer this SINGLE GODDAMN QUESTION: is either of these statements true?"
There is only one question. You can't say "no" to part of it and "yes" to a different part. One question, one answer.
>>553518429 Well I could reformulate my godslaying answer : Murder one of the bird. Ask the other one, "I murdered a bird, behind what door is he ?". Take the other door. Why ? If you murdered the lier, he is in hell, so the truthteller will show hell. If you murdered the truthteller, he will be in heaven. So the lier will show you hell. Murder is the only path to heaven. - 4chan 2014
>>553520217 So if the bird who lies was next to the door to hell it would say yes because one of the statements is false So if the bird who lies was next to the door to heaven it would say yes you still don't know which door is which I covered this in a different post, using the word either doesn't help discern, the question has to be something like assuming your answer to this question applies for both statements... etc because either literally means either this one or that one or both look it up
>>553521905 The honest bird always answers "no" because you will not in fact ask the question you say you will ask, and therefore the bird will not in fact answer at all (affirmatively or otherwise). By the same logic, the dishonest bird will always answer "yes."
>>553522138 >So if the bird who lies was next to the door to hell it would say yes because one of the statements is false No. It will say "no" because one of the statements is true, and it is therefore true that either statement is true. It doesn't get to consider each statement independently and then answer only one of them. Rather, it answers the question "is either statement true."
You seem confused as to the meaning of the word "either." As I said earlier, "either" simply means "at least one" in this context." That's why "neither" (i.e. not either) simply means "none" (i.e. not one).
>>553520587 well then how about this you give the whole situation to one of the birds and from there you can discern which bird is which you can say "there is a bird who always lies" and if the bird says "which bird" then you know it's the bird who always tells the truth
>>553510239 >Which is more likely, that you picked the all-gold bag or the almost-all-silver bag? In reality, yes, it is more likely that you picked the all-gold bag, but maths doesn't account for realism. Mathematically, it's still 50/50.
>>553523002 >if you ask for either an apple or an orange, and someone gives you both, then saying "this isn't what I asked for" In logic, if you ask "is this either an apple or green," and it is a green apple, then the true answer is "yes" and the false answer is "no." If it is a green pear, then the true answer is "yes" and the false answer is "no." If it is a red apple, then the true answer is still "yes" and the false answer is still "no." But if it is a red pear, then the true answer is "no" and the false answer is "yes."
That's how the truth table for the OR operator works. I am not thinking of XOR. You aren't thinking at all.
>>553499694 God Mode: If I were to ask you which door is heaven, which door would you point to? Truth would point to Heaven, so he points to Heaven. Liar would point to Hell, so he points to Heaven. Either way it's heaven.
No idea about God Slayer mode; can't really do double negatives without hypotheticals.
>>553523396 which means that if the bird tells the truth but is by the hell door the answer would be no and that if the bird that lies was by the heaven door the answer would be yes if the bird who lies is by the hell door the answer would be yes and the bird who truths is by the heaven door the answer would be yes I said this all a few posts ago you still don't know which door is which
>>553523954 >God slayer mode can be beaten by "Is the statement this door leads to heaven OR you are a liar true?" That one doesn't work. Consider all four cases: True/Heaven: "yes" True/Hell: "no" False/Heaven: "no" False/Hell: "no"
Instead of OR you need to use XOR in that case. That's why my answer above used the words "exactly one" (essentially a synonym for XOR). Then if you ask the liar about the door to heaven, he will answer "yes," since both parts will be true and thus XOR is not satisfied (and he lies by saying "yes").
>>553524474 >which means that if the bird tells the truth but is by the hell door the answer would be no Correct, because neither part is true. >and that if the bird that lies was by the heaven door the answer would be yes Correct, because neither part is true (but he lies). >and the bird who truths is by the heaven door the answer would be yes Correct, because one part is true. >if the bird who lies is by the hell door the answer would be yes Incorrect; the answer would be "no" because the second part ("You are the liar and are not by the door to heaven") is true, and therefore he must lie and say "no."
>>553499694 this is based on the assumption that the good bird is standing next to the good door and the bad bird is standing next to the bad door. ask one of the birds "are you a bird?" if the bird answers yes, go through its door. if it answers no go through the other door. god slayer mode beaten faggot.
>>553525871 >In this case his lie to the question would be "yes" since both premises are true. If both premises are true then the honest answer is "yes" and the dishonest answer is "no." The logical OR is inclusive, meaning "A OR B" is true when A is true and B is false, when A is false and B is true, and when both A and B are true. "A OR B" is ONLY false if both A and B are false.
That's why I'm saying what you need is the exclusive or (XOR). For that operator, if A and B are both true, "A XOR B" is false.
But if you meant "red feathers," it still doesn't work, because you aren't asking if the bird's feathers are red, you are just directing the question to it. It will answer the question, but will answer it falsely.
But beyond that, you aren't even able to direct a question generally like that, because of the possibility that both would answer. You are only allowed to ask one.
Oh, and in god mode, the birds are invisible, so you don't know the color of their feathers.
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