>>551764989 You are still young. When the biological clock starts a-ticking (around 30 years, sometimes sooner) woemn stop caring almost entirely about looks, and even status takes a backside to wealth: quantifying your ability to give a decent life to them and their prole.
Men, though, are mostly attracted to looks till the end of their life.
Non-femanon here. There's a difference between men and women's definition of attractive. I've seen guys with ugly as fuck faces dating solid 10's. If a guy is willing to be hygienic and dress well, they'll still be viewed as attractive even if their face is fuck ugly. Combine that with confidence and you're set.
The only time confidence is a turn off is when a dude is cringeworthy and confident. If you look and dress like pic related, confidence is irrelevant.
>>551764452 During my younger years I had nothing going for me, no money, no education, no looks....you name it - I did not have it. And to top it all off I was a nice guy. And in all honesty I am still a nice person - but I am now an "educated nice guy"; and we are deadly for the relationshit seeking older woman looking to "settle down". When young I deluded myself into thinking if I demonstrated that I had "potential" by working my ass off in some shit job while going to college part time for a medical degree that women would value my efforts and want to be in a relationship because I was a nice guy and I had potential. Needless to say there was no such woman - she never existed. So while I was doing all of the "right things" dirt balls, bad boy bums, druggies, etc ,etc where getting laid left and right - and all I had was home work to do my right-hand to jerk off with. Now I am single, never married, no children, and a doctor. I own my home with no mortgage and I have net worth in the seven figure range. I am also finacially liquid - It would take me less then 2 hours to have $250,000 in a suitcase if I wanted to do that. I will always be bitter towards women because of the rejection and disinterest I experienced in my youth. I don't trust women because they cant be trusted. Now for the big question: Would those ladies have been interested in me if they knew the end of the story? Would they have tossed aside the losers they were obsessed with in exchange for a relationship with "boring, nice guy me." THE ANSWER IS NO! Am I desired by women in my age group or younger now? Yes, but they desire the lifestyle I can provide to them and they would only tolerate me so long as I could provide that lifestyle to them. They have no interest in me as a person - they only view me as a ultility to use and eventually dispose of. Women are parasites. There is no other way to describe the current state of the female. The best revenge is not giving a shit. Cunts are useless.
>>551764452 >>When a pretty girl smiles at you >"Omg she's beautiful, she would never like me" >Cant't speak, run home in basement and hide >>When an ugly girl smiles at you >"Omg fucking landwhale whore, kill with fire!" >Run home in basement and post on 4chan
NOBODY likes ugly betafag losers, being a pathetic hypocrite jerkoff doesn't make you look any better.
>>551767149 Do you read the shit you type before posting it...?
Yes, you even get judged during interviews based on your face...
"Qualified" people get overseen all the time because someone far more attractive applied for a job.
Just like all the wanna be actors in Hollywood. The majority of the jobs have NOTHING or little to do with acting actually. People only get selected for commercials or certain roles because of their face.
>>551767345 You're being really inflammatory. I'm literally just trying to figure out what you're talking about. It seems like you're implying that whenever an ugly person does ANYTHING confidently, they're being judged as a creep which I don't agree with.
So if an ugly fireman confidently enters a burning house to save a child, they're being judged as a creep?
Being honest is no means of survival, avoid your inner-feelings like the plague, This is what it takes to comply with the images this structure will accomodate, But things aren't what they seem when they're partially hidden behind walls of pretence built for peace of mind. The barriers between us are forever maintained by our acceptance of the roles others choose to define.
In a world of competition life's portrayed as a contest where we're forced to live by making gains at others expense, But no-one's really gaining when perpetual conflict's the result of our relationships based on pretence, We don't need this cultural cosmetic division it upholds the self-interest on which the system feeds, A deconditioned consciousness of mutual respect is the only way to cure this cosmetic disease.
How do you explain ugly, not rich guys who have hot girlfriends? I agree it is not all about confidence. There is an 'aura' you need to project. You need to be funny. You need charisma. Being attractive helps, but doesn't make it.
>>551764452 We also care what his body looks like, how tall he is, how big his dick, is and if he can preform oral sex. If you meet all of that criteria you just need to also have a car, and a job so that you can buy us things. Despite all of these things we will probably fuck one of your friends at some point because you "aren't paying enough attention to us" and you'll forgive us because you're that fucking castrated. The world isn't fair.
>>551768886 Yeah, that's why I said "their prole", not "your prole" And make no mistake about this: no matter how much you love your children, no matter if you are their real biological father, they will always really be their mother's children way way more than they will be yours.
>>551765534 But that is exactly the reason why anon Women want you to provide protection for their offspring and wealth for their household And they want those bad boys to fuck them right Actually those bad boys fuck exactly like you and me do, it's all in womens' head; they get tuned on by danger, assertiveness and excitement Then, when the dumb whore can't evne rmemeber to take her pill, who gets stuck raising some street trash's sprog?
>>551772090 >EVER supporting a women who has any children who are not yours Men will do that. Because if your wife gets knocked up gettign a divorce is often too much of a hassle. Because they can't let their whores go. Because they are whipped. Because they are too dumb/trusting to even think about it.
I'm pansexual, I've dated stereotypically considered 'ugly' men and 'attractive' men. Personality and intelligence takes precedence for me. a
In answer to your question, everyone is wired differently. There are both external and internal factors which influence an individual's ideal of beauty and their attraction to other members of their species.
Also double standards are definitely not an uncommon phenomenon.
Honestly, I have to agree with the thread, as a male if you don't have masculine features at all (and I am healthy, have been my whole life, a little on the leaner and skinnier side but I eat well and exercise) you will be ignored by most girls. Now I consider myself beta and shit but it's because of my security about my face. I feel its too girly or whatever and I don't know I feel that's why girls have 0 attraction towards me. Same goes with men tho, if a girl was a butterface it's very unlikely that the male will pass her up, but it does happen on both sides of the equation.
>>551765962 Guys can change how attractive they are 2-3 points with not much effort. Fir example, guy on lefts cuts hair wears contact cleans skin loses weight goes to gym dresses well boom thats up 3-4 points and with an alpha attitude would have NO problem getting pussy. its about the motivation.
>>551775413 Ever heard a girl decides if you have a chance to fuck her 30 seconds into meeting her for the first time? And if she decides no then you are screwed? If you are well ugly guess what happens? You can have mad social skills, most women won't even let you use them
>>551774924 The point of men and women having anything to do with one another is to ultimately create more humans. Do you really want to create more ugly humans? Find an "ugly" girl and form a relationship with her. Give her happiness and take charge of your own well being don't give so much power to a cultural construction or whatever social science types would call it.
>>551774924 Pfft you're an idiot, I was and am an average looking guy, but before I was an average looking skinny guy with acne, Yet I could talk to random girls without them thinking I was a creep, in fact I made plenty of friends through random girls i met, I was needless to say less successful then than i am now at banging said girls, but if you come across as a creep you either are a creep or are unhygenic.
>>551776780 And maybe the reason that women think such guys are creeps is because they need the validation of others to confirm their self worth and attention from ugly men causes them to fear that they are less attractive. Maybe it has nothing to do with the men in question.
>>551777051 Are you kidding? Online dating is the most superficial route for trying to companionship/sex/a date or whatever your goal is.
Women don't even have to lie or pretend to be interested in you just to let you down nicely on the internet.
They simply read your message and ignore it. Why do you think the app Tinder is so popular?
Because women don't have to talk to you and you can't message women unless they "like you". They can simply spend all day swiping No until they find someone that matches their ridiculously high standards.
>ITT: beta faggots raging They turn away the ugly dude because they don't like them. Is that really so hard to understand? The girl likes the hot dude, so she lets him do creepy shit because SHE LIKES HIM! The girl doesn't like the neckbeard, so she doesn't let him do creepy shit because SHE DOESN'T LIKE HIM! Quit being a faggot and whining that hot girls don't like you, it's fucking pathetic.
Doesn't it seem more like it's about self-awareness? If someone is stupid enough to go out looking like a retarded 12 year old they can't be trusted to take care of a child. They deserve loneliness. As do I.
>>551777483 I'm curious are you jelous of the ugly fat chicks? Do you wish that you could draw attention as if you were a women? They can never approach men the way we approach them and the slightest rejection crushes them. Just find the good in being a man.
>>551778561 I'm a straight male. I also have a girlfriend, who I would not be with if I did not find her pleasing to look at. I enjoy hanging out with people that are nice to look at, not people that clearly have no concept of the effect they have on people around them.
I know I have two (money/status) and I've been told I'm not that bad looking, but I'm still a complete foreveralone who's never dated, nor has any girl ever even looked at me in a non-platonic manner, ever.
>tfw i fucking did everything >tfw im still a foreveralone.
Perhaps we should analyze the converse of OP's statement. Are good looking men that completely lack confidence any better off than the neckbeards posted in this thread? No. Automatically these neckbeards have an advantage if theyre simply capable of initiating conversation in a convincing manner
>>551778969 This whole thread is retarded, it's not worth listening to 80% of the people here. All you have to do is present ypurself well physically and socially and you will be fine (at least with anyone worthwhile)
Socially awkward autist reporting in. Inclined to disagree with OP. Mostly because anyone posting this shit on 4chan has obviously never achieved real confidence. Also fuck you faggots, stow your feedback
so many redpill beta bullshit here. you fuckers with your wall and hamsters, trp, srs, blah, blah, blah... you sound like a multi-level marketing cult. i keep expecting you to try and sell me overpriced toothpaste or a bbq sets.
All these fags acting like girls only care about looks, as if guys are any different. I'm a fairly average looking guy but i honestly keep distance from unattractive girls, yeah they can be nice and all that but i don't give a fuck if i find them ugly. Girls shouldn't feel any guilt, because everyone thinks like this. Nobody likes ugly people.
>>551782258 But here's the caveat: Even ugly chicks know that men are programmed to stick it in anything that moves (some even stick it in things that don't). Women are more selective. It's evolution, is it not?
look guys, the bottom line is that guys gravitate towards attractive girls and girls gravitate towards attractive guys, the only difference is that when guys get horny, we'll fuck just about anything to get our dicks wet - something that benefits the female population since there are always horny guys
To sum everything up. Men are desperate, women are shallow. I have not met as many guys who are judgemental as much as women.
But we are to blame though. We cater for their attention so fucking much that we became nothing but products to most of them. Guys are essentially items in a mall and we all line up while we hope women will come buy us.
Ever posed as a women in a dating site? Shit is ridiculous.
>>551764452 Money... you forgot money. Money trumps all once they reach 25 and they decide finding a good looking rich guy is too hard so theyll settle for a rich guy. Never a poor good looking guy, unless theyre mentally stunted.
>>551782669 >"confident" ugly fuck aren't confident. >They are delusional. >Therefore, creepy. I think your point is that women want men who are justifiably confidant. In other words men who know they are attractive.
I honestly believe I'm attractive, and yet almost every woman I've dated tells me I'm about a 1/10.
>>551780038 They're my good friends and everything, they just look at me as strictly platonic. If I bring up dating they're pretty surprised.
>>551780072 I'm not. All the girls I know want to be my friend, but so far strictly platonic.
>>551780369 I'm not even boring. I run a business, I have tons of interesting stories since in my field you run into some interesting characters. I have lots of skills, and I'm always down for trying new shit out (and where there's a good reason, I'm really fast at learning a new skill, and then creating my own twist on it).
>>551781210 Girls /don't/ only care about looks. But that's the problem. I have no fucking clue WHAT they care about.
You can honestly make a small fortune doing this. Guys just through money (money they probably don't have) at pussy and hope it buys their way in. It's fucking crazy. I once did this and in a week I got a bunch of dudes to send me a total of 3,000$
>>551775746 >But why does he have to lose weight and cut his hair No, it's not about the looks, it's about the lifestyle. If you look gross and dirty, no girl is going to want to fuck you. People think of fat people as dirty. Pimply skin? Dirty. Long hair? Depends. If you wash it and put it up nice somehow and it's not thin, people will like it. Thinning hair or a mess? Dirty. Being hygienic isn't that hard.
>>551784413 Dunno. If this is the case, I guarantee I'd be the cheapest "product" in the entire fucking store with the absolute most features I can do as humanely possible and people think it's a scam.
Exactly, thats where my assumption of most women suffer some form of stockholm syndrome comes from. They are told constantly that alienware/macs are the greatest of products and are worth your money where in reality, it is no where near the investment.
But since thats all they experienced and told thats what they will stick with whereas something that is just as good or better for a lot cheaper is overlooked.
Then you get some women who thinks they know all about computers and buys a broken one and tries to fix it to suit their own purposes.
>>551764452 As an ugly, fat, confident dude that's not true, you're probably being creepy. Just take care of your appearance, have high status friends, be assertive (not confrontational, assertive), watch your body language.
Pretty much yeah. Lonely dudes are fuckin suckers. You ask for small amounts or have them like buy you phone cards or gifts and shit. It's unbelievable. You just lay on the "oh woah is me i'm a lady in distress" act and they'll give up the greenbacks. Get 15 guys and take each one for 200$ and bam 3k easy.
>>551787383 >Then you get some women who thinks they know all about computers and buys a broken one and tries to fix it to suit their own purposes. i fucking hate this shit so much when this shit happens.
to these people: my life is perfectly fine kthx, and probably much better than yours and anyone you can possibly think of. if you aren't ok with that then fuck off.
>>551779916 >>551765835 Yep, this. Being "nice" (not the kind of nice that is nice because they think they'll get pussy that way) is just a start. It doesn't mean shit. You are a nice guy, ok. There's another nice guy who plays guitar. ANother who earns more than you. Another that is more attractive. You're not a nice guy, you're an entitled asshole.
No way. And to think, all this time I've been fucking with sad bastards online for cheap laughs or for a self esteem boost... didn't know I was training for my new job! :P Thanks anon! If you ever find that the girl of your dreams dropped off the face of the earth after you wired her that 200 bucks for a plane ticket, just create a post here with your paypal and I'll pay it right back :D
>>551765835 Also, yeah, women want you for your looks, status, and resources. What the fuck did you expect, this isn't a Disney movie. We are biological machines man, our desire is to ensure that we have offspring and they can do so too. You, too, want them for their looks.
well what do they fucking want? they don't give a fuck about looks, they don't care about money/status/power/material possessions, they don't give a fuck about your interests, they don't give a fuck about your personality, and the non-sluts don't care about your dick size.
are they measuring your fucking nostril size or some shit because i honestly have no fucking clue.
>>551789150 er no they don't. girls are pretty surprised if i bring up that i'm, in fact, interested in dating, and [strike]most[/strike] all of them view me as platonic.
i own my own, established, business. i have more resources than any of my classmates can ever get.
i started going to the gym recently, and regardless people still say i'm attractive anyways - at least enough where girls went to pretty far lengths to go with me to my old high school dances. but, again, the problem with me is that it ends there - they still view me as strictly platonic.
>>551790289 >they don't care about money/status/power/material possessions >i have all those and people say i'm attractive holy shit are you blind it's fucking evolutionary psychology and sexual market value look good, have status, have good social skills, have money, boom, your value skyrockets
>>551790289 >>551791375 oh, and quit the nice guy bullshit "nice guys" are afraid of being vulnerable and showing their true emotions, and vulnerability is key for every damn human interaction "nice guys" aren't nice at all, they are manipulative and secretive and feel like everyone owes them
Not sure what to say. Women are very fickle. And they have long term strategies and short term strategies. Different guys for each. When I was younger, I was quite poor but was told many times that I was very handsome; and a good build (but very short). Had a hell of a time getting a date.
Now I'm older, very well educated and make 6 figures. Dated a lot of women, some quite attractive; married one of them. She told me I was very confident.
What am I trying to say? I'm trying to say that I'm cynical. Learn to play the game, but women really are attracted to money and power. The confidence thing factors in somehow, but I think it comes from money and power.
>>551790791 That's basically everyone I know. And I'm in the fucking state that's fucking known for having tons of women.
>>551790794 >Some want a guy with money and a cool car. well none that I know.
>Some want a guy that is adventurous and outgoing. none that I know either. and I know a lot of people.
>Some want a guy in a wifebeater who'll stop hitting her just within an inch of killing her. well, i don't want someone who's so emotionally unstable that she wants to be legitimately physically abused to the point where it's harmful.
>>551791375 From PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, that shit has not helped me AT ALL.
>look good I'll understand if one or two people say you're decent looking it's a lie but if people, including those friends who usually give you constructive criticism, can consistently point out specific features of me they like, then... eh.
>have status well I own a business. It's large enough to be listed on the stock exchange if I wanted, and our products are used by businesses worldwide and referenced in several studies that we were not involved with. I also own a smaller tech startup that I'm building as a side project, but even there, it's decently successful for what it is.
>have good social skills I have friends, who consistently invite me out to places, and who constantly want me to meet their friends, including female friends, so a constantly growing and healthy social life/social circle.
>have money refer to business
>your value skyrockets not sure then why people only view me as strictly platonic if my value's so high? i mean... i really don't ask for much.
>>551791716 I'm not as much nice so much as I don't give much of a fuck about most things, so people just assume that I'm nice since I don't give enough of a fuck to be a dick.
>>551792849 >well I own a business status as in social status my man are you a leader of men? do you decide where to party? things like that >friends do you ever invite them out? do you add value to the group?
other than that, and if you're being honest with me (and i assume you are because lying on an anonymous imageboard is stupid), i dunno keep trying i guess, talk to more people
>>551791806 And no one has replied to her argument or the posts using her as an example because everyone in this thread for the argument of OP just wants to wallow in self pity and achieve a female companion with minimal effort. Either work on your appearance, personality, the girls you are going after (or not going after), or societal status (money, car, friend circle).
Become a more developed person and stop being a cringe worthy, fat, yes-man, no personality, no assets, beta fag.
If you can't see what is wrong with you or what you're doing, then you are part of the problem and a no-hoper.
>>551793261 Let me guess, you think you're handsome huh? Is your alpha male existance amazing? Oh, PLEASE tell me about it, I have all night since, yknow I'm just not up to par biologically with such an amazing male like you, I'm all alone tonight because of my biological inferiorities. Please tell me how it is to be genetically superior to me in every way, please, I beg of you, please...please...
>>551793569 You're all too hell bent on justifying yourselves that you're completely void of the introspection necessary to realise the issue/s and better yourselves, thus eliminating said problems. It could even just be as little as an attitude adjustment towards your own situation that gains you the attention from the opposite sex that you so crave.
>>551793125 Yes, I'm an autist. I mean, that's how I managed to build up a social circle AND convince people that what we make is good enough for them to pay me a lot of money for it, right?
>>551793354 >status as in social status my man >are you a leader of men? Owning a business entails having to hold leadership over your employees.
>do you decide where to party? I don't really host many parties, but people know that when we do have one, mine's invariably the best one and I manage to do it without involving drugs.
>do you ever invite them out? Usually me and my friend collaborate on it together and then the two of us invite the rest of our social circle. We each have our own thing we're good at so us together we can do a better outing than just one of us alone.
>do you add value to the group? Yes, and they know it and my closer friends have directly benefited pretty significantly from it (at no cost to myself, neither monetary or time).
>if you're being honest with me (and i assume you are because lying on an anonymous imageboard is stupid) I don't know what I have to gain out of lying. I legitimately wanted some ideas because I'm out, and advice based on a lie isn't gonna help me.
>keep trying i guess, talk to more people This is now in multiple neighborhoods. I'm obviously doing something wrong or missing something important if the response is this fucking consistent. It's like they have fucking telepathy or some shit, every last person says the exact thing. They see me as a platonic friend only.
>>551794689 Well, while we were growing the business (from something already pretty large to being even larger), I didn't have time to focus on dating during those couple months, and still nobody was interested.
> To answer your question, no I am not handsome. Just reporting a study. Do not know if it is true. But if men can see youth and beauty, in females, as markers of high fertility is it unreasonable that men could have similar genetic markers?
>>551794025 tl;dr Stop finding excuses to just give up and be lazy, do the maths, isolate the problem/s and work for the solution instead of whining like the entitled little assholes you all actually are.
Yes females may have to work less to get a partner than males as long as they are at least moderately attractive, but that doesn't mean that said relationship will last. Look at divorce rates. This applies to both genders.
>>551764452 the same can be said for both genders you know. maybe you only encounter these kinds of women because you only chase that type of woman. if you were expected to fuck girls as ugly as the guys you're talking about you would react the same way. quit crying.
>>551794923 Well attraction is based more on just looks as you probably know. (and no, not the "i love him for his brains" or vice versa bullshit) If two people have really different immune systems, they're gonna be attracted to each other, also the hip to waist ratio, symmetrical faces, scent, human attraction is a complicated field. So yeah, I guess it could be plausible for someone with successful genes to have tastier semen, but that also is attributed to diet. >handsome men are probably really fit >they eat more fruit, veggies and have an overall balanced diet and good exercise compared to average men or the beta male
So yeah, that's pretty plausible, sorry anon, kinda jumped the gun there.
>>551795240 No one on this thread will be able to spell out whatever the issue is for you. You will not find a 'one size fits all' solution here. Why? Because we are all different, the flaws hindering you differ from the next person, as do the types of girls you are attracted to (meaning that different girls want different things). You're going to actually have to use your brain for this one and put in the effort. Sorry guys.
>>551790794 Absolutely this, too many different types of female to group them together like that. In my experience, some chick are fairly attracted to me and others wont give me an inch... It's because my personality is very hit and miss, I'm poor and slightly strange, character and decent looks only get you so far I suppose.
>>551796354 I think it depends on the individual receiving the interest.
Like I wouldn't mind if an ugly girl got confident around me, I would politely turn her down, unless she was like .5/10 buttfuck retarded looking, I might cringe a little and say "gross" just to spite the bitch for thinking she can talk to me.
Furthermore, going off of what this poster has said, if you really did lose the genetic lottery it will be extremely hard to find someone more attractive than you without other overpowering assets, and then that still may not improve the situation. If that is the case, stop going after girls out of your league and crying about the odds being against you in the first place.
>>551764452 I added some girl I never talked to on FB a few years ago because I knew her at college. I found out she was single and I sent her a picture of my 9 inch cock. We got married a year later and we're teaching ours daughters how to suck cock.
>>551796198 Well it goes to show just how much I want an answer, right? Given as much money and resources as I have, I still can't find an answer. So now I'm coming to /b/ and hoping that another anon might post some piece of advice that just might click for me and solve the biggest problem in my life.
>>551796748 Amen. And league doesn't just apply to the scale physical attractiveness. If you're average looking with no personality, poor social skills or worthwhile interests and go after an average looking girl with a decent personality, mentionable interests and/or basic social skills don't expect her to fall into your lap.
>>551794689 Look who it is again, ID Heaven. I'm fed up with your shit faggot. The other day when you called me a newfag, yeah, haven't forgotten about that yet. Fuck you I've been on here for months and probably get on here more than you anyways. Don't you know that you make yourself look like a newfag when you call others newfag? Just because you learned how to hack your name and change it to "Heaven" does not give you the right to disrespect anyone at any time.
>>551764452 Fat ugly ass shit beard,I can tell by your posting..I could fuck your bitch you mad? I wouldn't even want to because she's probably just as wierd and her hairs just as fucking greasy as yours.
ITT: buttmad permavirgins gather for a circlejerk of bigotry and generalising to renew the ghost of their self-esteem and keep the pistol out of their mouth for another 24-hours.
Protip: you have no social skills ergo your displays of "confidence" (ie telling girls they're beautiful and would love to meet up with them on facebook comments) are in fact creepy-as-fuck gestures of maladjusted harrassment.
>>551768242 >asks plain question >illiterate faggot gets pissed because the white man didn't teach him to read >dodge questions to avoid whippings >asked even plainer question >immediatly overcompensates for prior actions >back in the field nigger
One problem is that "attractive" and "ugly" are only subjective opinions. When you just meet someone, you don't know what they like yet.
Worrying about what people look like only really matter for making babies, not sex for pleasure. These preferences are ingrained into people mainly to know what your offspring with them would be like. But if you aren't being driven by your baby instincts, it really doesn't make a difference.
Also, I'd say that money and social status are basically imaginary bullshit for whoever likes to believe in that sort of thing. If women really want to find a provider, they should look for survival skills. Being able to hunt, fight, climb, skydive, etc are *real* survival skills which work regardless of what people think of you, and require no bullshitting. Many women claim to want support and security - but what they really want is *comfort*, and most of them get more fat and lazy over time.
And why waste time worrying about what *their* criteria are? Spend some time thinking about what sort of woman you would rather be with. Wanting to pursue any willing partner just smacks of desperation, which is a strong turnoff. Don't worry about whether or not you are getting laid. Concentrate on having a life worth sharing, and being with women who are actually worth the trouble. If and when you may find them.
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