its the kids fault all he had to do was listen.. funny how he did exactly what they said after his arm was broke. lesson to everyone.. do what the cops say or deal with what happens. in this case I'm happy for the cops there is a camera showing how many chances they gave the kid, and how long they waited..
>>531857784 Officer gave him the option of walking off the bus by himself and he didn't take it. It's not like he was unable to walk or move due to medication as falsely alleged. As soon as his arm got snapped, he was moving pretty quickly.
>He has been diagnosed with multiple emotional disorders, including Tourette syndrome, anxiety disorder, bipolar disorder and pervasive developmental disorder, according to the family's lawyer. >He's just a stupid edgy faggot teenager
Do you people even read? Kid's obviously fucked in the head. Pretty sure the police have a different operating procedure when it comes to mentally unstable individuals, and they clearly didn't follow it.
Cops had been trying to get him off the bus using kind words for 15 goddamn minutes. I don't usually side with the pigs, but this little shit had it coming. I hope his family goes broke due to court fees and the little cunt kills himself.
>>531862106 Considering the fact the two officers tried to get him off the bus verbally and politely I highly doubt they'd break his arm straight after. The kid probably had/has weak bones and the way they tried to restrain him is actually standard procedure.
Stop your whining please, if he would've listened, none of this would've happened.
yes procedure for dealing with mentally unstable individuals is a bit different, not by policy but by Officer safety. When dealing with someone mentally unstable as a cop you are much more on edge and have your guard up. A little MORE force is used when dealing with mentally unstable people because "retard strength" does exist.
All you boot licking faggots who are praising police are no better than the brown shirts of 1930's Germany. The fat,empowered,pig demon clearly told the kid ( yeah, a KID) that non compliance would lead to somebody being injured. The law enforcement in this country is being militarized, and trained to treat the population as cattle. These are the same thuggish, goons that taze old women and beat crippled people for not standing. Go ahead and stick up for them, they would never for you
you sure are a lot of talk on the interweb. 95% of people I deal with on the street do exactly what I say, not because I'm trying to "heard" them but for safety reasons. you will think a cop is being a little aggressive when he tells you, not asks you, to sit on the ground with your legs crossed, its to put you at a disadvantage if you wanted to make a move. As a cop I am constantly outnumbered and trust NO ONE thats not in uniform. its not because I hate everyone its because I want to go home that night. I actually have no personal vendetta against anyone I deal with, I'm simply doing my job and plan on going home that night. So yes, when a cop tells you to do something, do it, otherwise deal with whats coming next, along with charges.
I can't stand stupid fucking pigs. All of you who agree with what the cops did are retarded. That much force was ENTIRELY unnecessary. This kind of shit happens all the time. They love to throw their authority around. I hope he wins his case and both of them get fucking fired.
>>531859182 cops are niggers, they dont care about you? whats that your having a stroke? STOP RESISTING NIGGER! oh hes still resisting! USE THE TAZER! this is how my uncle with a rare heart disease died :-;
Notice how the cop says: "If one of us gets hurt you'll be going to jail." Because fuck all if they hurt the kid that is perfectly legal, but if a cop gets hurt? Felony assault.
It is also pretty obvious he meant to break the kid's arm. Just look at the angle he wristed it. He the arm behind the kid, which was fine that is how they cuff people, but then he went up with it at a totally awkward angle. He knew full well what he was doing.
Police do this all the time as a way to relieve stress and take out frustration. They know it is all perfectly legal and the DA and judge have justified it before it even happened.
>>531866760 I hope an upstanding citizen you've wrongfully detained, puts a large caliber round through your face, and you slowly bleed to death on the ground wishing you was going to make it home that night
>>531865734 By standard procedure I mean restraining the arms around the back. Again, if he just got up and followed them out of the bus none of this would've happened. I fucking hate pigs and their abuse of authority but these 2 assholes were perfectly reasonable the whole time. >>531865734
I'm fine with you hating the police as long as you hate them all the way dont call when your home is robbed your car is broken into you get your ass kicked and robbed you get in a car accident and its the other persons fault now you NEED a police report. just tell them to fuck off like the bad ass you are.
>>531868120 If somebody hates hackers and doesn't do anything about it, they shouldn't whine about getting hacked. Right? Same goes for this. If you hate something and all you do is sit at your computer whining about it, you're part of the problem.
>>531861968 lmao. Child, you think they need a reason to use force? You obviously don't know what New York state is like. They will permanently blind you in one eye, give you a concussion, break a few ribs and fuck up a couple discs in your back all because you didn't produce your papers fast enough. They don't need a fucking reason. They do it because they can. They know they will get away with it. You get charged with resisting arrest and assault on an officer, both felonies and look at 5-7 in state prison, he gets a paid vacation and a new truck with his workman's comp money. Wake the fuck up.
>>531868543 False dichotomy. I can not like the corruption in my police and yet still want them to do their jobs. I don't have to shut up about police acting illegally and unethically without going out and shooting at them.
I can't actually see how the police would help me after my car got broken into or my house got stolen. Police can't un-do what's done, and police can't fucking prevent any crimes. Police's job is to keep poor people away from influent rich people: if you can't see this is how it works, well, you are clearly an imbecile.
>>531869059 Never said anything about shooting at them. But why are you bitching at us, when you could be bitching at somebody who is responsible, or even somebody who has authority over who you're bitching about? Again, you're certainly able to bitch, but it doesn't make much sense rationally when you won't do anything about it. Well, it does, but it just makes you a pussy.
>>531870232 >But why are you bitching at us, when you could be bitching at somebody who is responsible
Because you are responsible for lowering the intelligence of this thread through your bitching, and I am actively against that. I AM bitching at the people responsible for what I don't like. When I get harassed by cops, I absolutely take them court. I have done this three times now.
So let's turn the situation around. Why are YOU bitching to people? Why not go to anon's house and tell him this shit? Why are you such a pussy that you need to be seen as super-cool edge-destroyer?
>>531870835 It's okay, we care. We like hearing your opinions. Because that's what we're here for. You're very cool and smart, too, friend. >>531871049 I'm not bitching at all. You hate cops, right? Or at least, you don't like them. And you're wasting that hateful potential on here when you could be doing much more productive things. I don't really care about the kid to be honest, I just like threads with long discussions so I can play devil's advocate for stupid people. >edge-destroyer I have to admit, I've never heard that one before. I'm assuming it's the opposite of edgy, though. Would that be right? Explain to me, wise one, what your deep and meaningful words mean, for I am but an idiot among the masses.
In all seriousness, though, you seem like a whiner. I'm not bitching either way; like I said, I didn't come here for the kid or against the kid. I came here for you, so to speak.
>>531871638 >I'm not bitching at all. My first post in this thread was calling you out on your bitching. >You hate cops, right? Or at least, you don't like them. Never said either of those, idiot. Reading comprehension.
>And you're wasting that hateful potential on here when you could be doing much more productive things. I can dislike lots of things simultaneously. I guess I'm just better than you. And speaking of wasted potential, I see you've been in this thread way longer than I. I have to be online right now and this is distraction during loading screens. What's your excuse? >I have to admit, I've never heard that one before. Then I claim the coining of the term. It means your bitch post was someone saying "fuck da police" and you deciding to rant about their edginess. >I am but an idiot Obviously.
>>531859182 You forget, it's a child. And a grown ass fuckedforbrains super citizen with a badge who thinks damaging a child who still hasn't developed bone or muscle unlike him was a humane thing to do.
lets put it another way, if i invite you over and you come in, drink all my good juice, diddle my cat and slap my mom i'm going to tell you to leave. if you just sit there in MY fucking house and tell ME to eat a dick, i'm going to call the cops who will make you leave.
and if you give me a reason between the time i ask you to leave and the time the cops get there, i'll put a hole in your head the size of a half a dollar
>>531859182 >>531859248 >>531859429 It´s excessive force. I understand that nobody here gives one flying fuck about a retarded kid getting his arm broken. But we should look at the bigger picture. If the police are given to much power, they are dangerous. The U.S. are turning into a police state. God knows America lost it´s democracy long before your grandparents were born, and the right to a fair trial has been recently abandonned in the "War on Terror". Which is an act for the media, just like the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Communism" were before 9/11. The government will invent new ways to make the people accept less rights by scaring it. Don´t support these faggot cops. They´re the enemy.
>>531872260 Actually, my first post was a response to yours; you seem to be mistaken as to who I actually am in this thread. I don't know where you got these silly ideas of posts I never made; but I'm glad I'm on your mind more than you are on mine. It would appear that you are the idiot, but it's alright. Because we like you here, and we nurture people like you with the tit of intellect we forged here. We love you, and you love us for it. :^)
>>531872551 If you would call the police for anything, you are not an "anarchist". A true anarchist would go from step 1 to step 3 and skip step 2 of getting the state involved. Also, the cops did not own the fucking bus. The kid had every right to ride it as his parent's paid school taxes and the bus is a public service for students. Try harder.
Hey. Can you shut the fuck up please? We're discussing police brutality, blind obedience to the state and a corrupt government. Your "personal insults" and your baseless assumptions about people you've never met and the boatload of other logical errors and fallacies in your posts make you look really dumb. Stop trying to appeal to emotions on the internet. You don't have a badge and a gun here.
>>531857784 >Saw someone else post this . Whats up with this? kid was being a dick and the cop tried for 15 minutes (yes i know the video is only 2 minutes long, read into it a little you fucking retards) to get the kid to follow him off the bus and the cop had enough and pulled the kids arm back to handcuff him and broke his fucking arm.
All it seems to be in my eyes is that the cop used too much force and accidentally broke this guy's arm? So what, it was an accident. Of course the cop should be help responsible for it. But it's not like he's evil, he's clearly trying to reach this guy, talk nicely to him, he is not like "I am going to fucking break your arm you little piece of shit"
Whether the kid should be punished for not listening / cooperating with police is another issue. It just so happens he is clearly able to speak after his arm is broken. Maybe he was wronged, but then again, he could've prevented it by being less of an autistic faggot. Now he has a broken arm, and whoever is to be blamed for it does not make his arm recover any faster, and there still stands the fact that he could've just fucking complied and he would not have broken arm at the moment if he just fucking did act as told by those stronger than you.
I do not approve of domination and oppression, but it should be built-in to all animals (human included) to respect their stronger.
>>531873853 Me being a bitch was only the topic when you thought I was some one else, which was pretty dumb to be honest. I don't know how you successfully argued with a character in your head while simultaneously projecting your bitching onto somebody you were pretending was this fictional person, but I still love you, and it's okay. Because /b/ is a place where people like you will thrive. You also say I'm a "self-professed idiot" and then go on to say I don't know what "idiot" means in the same sentence. That's a special kind of stupid, because I will go out on a limb here and assume you were trying to insult me, because this relationship seems to be more one-way than I'd like it to be, but it failed because it doesn't make much sense. Again, /b/ has been reforged over the years into a place for people like you. You can come on your computer and talk to your peers because here they are very, very numerous. I'm glad you found this place because you'll fit right in. :^)
anarchists aren't agents using what's at their disposal to not have to kill someone
anarchists don't even frown at the idea of police
we just don't like universal government we like small localized self governing communities
we're not all a bunch of punks who think everyone should have to fend for themselves like what teenagers think
and the people that owned the bus CALLED THE COPS, giving them the authority to deal with the situation
and no, he didn't have a right to ride it, if walk out into the street butt ass naked i'm violating the rules set by the people that built the streets that we as tax payers agree on and i have no right to use them for my nude purposes
>>531874812 >Me being a bitch was only the topic when you thought I was some one else No, you bitch just fine without that post being yours. Not taking that post means you started in this thread specifically to powerlessly bitch.
Then decided the topic you should bitch about is how people shouldn't bitch.
>You also say I'm a "self-professed idiot" and then go on to say I don't know what "idiot" means in the same sentence. Yes, idiots often use words without understanding them. You were just lucky it fits.
>>531874236 to you, did this policeman really look like he aimed to cause suffering to this boy? why would you assume so? I know it's good to suspect people but if you pay attention to the clip, you'll notice this guy looks really frightened when the loud snap is audible.
he fucked up bad but he just fucked up, that does not make him a sadist like some policemen are
>>531875523 >Yes, idiots often use words without understanding them. You were just lucky it fits. So, would that not mean that I understand the term? You're coming off as dumb now, and my gut tells me not to love you as much, but hot damn, I want your cock inside me.
>>531875209 lol no. Anarchists do not get the state involved for any reason, let alone something as petty as an emo teen refusing to leave a bus. A true anarchist would never agree with such a blatant use of force on an unarmed person. You are not an "anarchist" you are what is a called a "conservative statist".
And no, the owner of the bus did not tell him to leave. The bus driver is not the owner, the tax payers are. The kid had every right to be on the bus otherwise his parents need to be refunded their tax tender in full for use of public school transportation.
so they decide to waste 15 minutes of time to justify breaking his arm instead of just carrying him out? Since when did police get to fuck people up because of their weak authority prescence? Oh right, 'murica. Every time a policeman abuses authority a politician should be shot. starting from the top of the chain. suddenly policies would change.
>>531875585 Exactly. You can clearly see him jerk the kid's arm upward at a totally awkward angle. Police are not trained to do that. You do that knowing full well you are going to break the arm. The cop knew what he was doing.
>>531876032 no I do trust people. I trust a lot of people. not one person I have trusted has ever hurt me.
I don't trust all people, though, and some of them have tried to hurt me. Most of the time I have got out of those situations without a fight. But not once have I had to blame myself for not being careful enough.
"never trust people" is a pretty vague argument. I'd say "be careful", as in you are not a fuck up that has to go extreme because he has no common sense to take care of himself in social situations
He violated the Code of Conduct he agreed to by utilizing the school's transportation, and was therefore no longer eligible for transport as a result. The cops were called to escort him off the bus, and he did not cooperate.
>>531857784 I know you can all say that it's the kids fault, which it is but. At about 1:23 in the video they have the kid fully restrained, arms behind his back, then you notice the officer switch his position and break the arm... and at about 1:27 you hear one of the officers mumble "you broke his arm" so did the kid get what was coming to him? yeah, did he deserve a broken arm, not at all
you don't know what real anarchism even is, so no you don't get to tell people what a 'true anarchist' would do
and the owner of the bus (the school district) hired the bus driver and gives them authority to say when someone needs to get the fuck off, and they have the authority to give the authorities the authority to drag little shit head rule breakers off their bus
>>531877447 >Police were called after the driver said he felt he could not safely transport Gocheski to school at Parsons Child and Family Center, "based on threats that the student made in an aggressive manner," police said in the release.
>>531877321 Whether he violated any "Code of Conduct" is not known. We do not see that in the video. All the description tells is that the "Driver could not transport him". We do not know what actually happened but nothing was ever said of him behaving violently.
If the Jews had just done what the Nazis told them to everything would have been fine. Stop disobeying authority... The kid wasn't fighting back at that point or resisting. He got up and complied as best he could when they went to put the cuffs on. Thats when the police officer fucked up a maneuver and broke the kids arm. That could have happened 15 minutes earlier and it would still have happened. At least I hope it was a fuck up. The seat added extra leverage and the kid appears to jerk away when it starts to hurt. So the cop applied more pressure. Either that or he though he could break a kids arm and get away with it because the kid was a cunt. Either way it is the officers fault.
I hate to say it but that is what cops are trained to do. It was a concompliant individual. The officer went for control of the subjects arm to make sure there was no escalation. The bus just happend to work against him. I mean its obvious the cop wasnt being malicious.
>>531877703 But you know what anarchism is? Obviously you do not if you would use a term like "Little shit head rule breakers". I don't care what you say, anarchist do not get the state involved at the drop of a hat.
>>531857784 I just got in the thread and I watched the video. Why are the police officer trying to get him out of the bus? Like what did the kid do wrong? So far all I see is the police doing their job
>>531878219 dude it's fucking natural for all animals to be afraid at times. are you actually demanding a world where you never have to be afraid of anything? why would you do that to yourself you fucking idiot. as a human being you just have to pay a little attention to what's happening around you and you are fine most of the time.
>>531865824 Yes you have to beat up all the retards, Injuns, hobos and crazies. And the stoners. Why? Because everyone will take your word above theirs, even if there's video evidence of you being a sadistic piece of shit, even if some low quality citizen (but citizen none the less) gets 3 1/2 mags dumped into him.
>>531878448 Because he refused to get off at his stop and was crying and being incoherently. Maybe his dad beats him. We don't know why he refused. Being way judgy of the kid who clearly has severe mental problems.
Cops break a kid's arm - Family sues for 1$ million ROTTERDAM, N.Y. -- A 16-year-old boy is suing a police department outside Albany for $1 million after two officers broke his arm while trying to remove him from a school bus. The altercation happenedat the teen's Rotterdam home last October.
A lawyer for the family tellsThe Times Union the boy, Jacob Gocheski, has psychiatric problems and was having his medication adjusted.
The bus driver called Rotterdam Police on Oct. 9, saying he felt he couldn't safely transport the teen to school.
A security video, which includes strong language, shows the officers trying to persuade him to get off the bus for 15 minutes. When he doesn't respond, the officers pull him out of the seat and force his arms behind his back.
As they do, there is a loud crack. Rotterdam Police Chief James Hamilton says the officers followed proper procedures.
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