REMINDER: Gymnastics is NOT wrestling. And gymnastics is DEFINITELY

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>>3126611
By "Business", you mean WWE's business. Stop crying about your pitiful company and ask them to put an effort instead

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>>3126611

>>3126611
look at the faces in the crowd, they don't mind this 10 minutes of monkey acrobatics

>>3126611
REMINDER: wrestling that is just arm drag, rest hold, lariat, arm drag over and over again is DEFINITLEY BORING. The wwe style of boring fucking matches is what is killing the busines

>>3126611
> Y-Y-YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE WHAT I DON'T LIKE!

>>3126621
>the state of that """""drawing"""""
Ladyboys and manlet gymnast wannabes will never come even close to outdrawing real men wrestling. Because they're cringe. They've made wrestling niche. So yes, applaud their niche success if you think it's something to clap about. IT'S NOT. Because they draw pennies not dimes.

>>3126636
>I've never seen real puro

>>3126644
Wow, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>3126644
Better drawing pennies than losing dimes. WWE continues to stuck in the past, scraping the remaining of the glorious day in the while no one actually wants your product anymore.

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Reminder that NuJapanlets think they're intellectuals for watching WWE 2.0 where a toy cat is more over than anything else. Pure reddit tier.

80s and 90s NJPW is patrician and kino.

>>3126715
oi I will wait for Kidani's financial report this year how he's either beaten or is really near to getting over financial peak in 90s
You know why? Cause they increased ticket prices, they have lot of new merch options and so on. And people are spending more in them then ever before (per capita).
But. At least you will go back just to being offended how it looks and not how much money it makes and you will shut up about outdrawing and shit.
Which means nothing to you as a customer.

>>3126732
>dude njpw is better now because it rips off it's obsessive fujo fans who want to see the wrestlers fuck not fight and i can buy a xxxxl bullet club t shirt from the local hot topic too sweet me bro

>>3126715
that toy cat is more over than 90% of WWE's roster so what does that tell you

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>>3126732
>yfw oldjapanprotards started their argument for being better because it drew dimes. Nobody cares about match quality. It's just fake fighting
>MUH DIMES
>yfw BASED ****** New Japan equals or outdraws Old Japan
>yfw oldjapanprotards move the goal posts to dimes don't matter, match quality matters and Old Japan had better match quality
i look forward to seeing this come full-circle

>>3126762
>New Japan equals or outdraws Old Japan
Imagine actually believing this.

>>3126636
You just described current New Japan though, with their Junior style arm-drag exchanges followed by 'le we are equal in strength pose XD' and the top guy used a fucking lariat as his finisher you fucking idiot.

Okada main events are filled with rest holds. There is literally know point in the first 20 minutes of an Okada match: it's just boring '''''''limb wrestling'''''' until he decides it's time to do the Rainmaker Tango with his dance partner and they forget about selling whatever limb was being targeted.

>>3126611
Kill yourself cucknette.

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>>3126715
Unsurprisingly you can draw lots of parallels between Edrones and Inokists. Both are clinging to the peak days. Both refuse to accept that most of those fans have moved on. Both refuse to bow down to new generations due to their ego on what is RIGHT.

>>3126807
BASED

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>>3126807
You're the kind of bandwagoner that's going to be saying they always liked Strong Style and shooters when Oka becomes the main guy in New Japan and a new generation of legit shooter heavyweights takes over from the lady boys.

I can't wait to see all the Tana/Okada fags suddenly pretend they were into legit guys all along and didn't just incessantly moan about shooters all day.

Kidani even said they need more guys with legitimate backgrounds and not just people who want to be flippy pro wrestlers, so it's going to happen sooner or later and it's going to be glorious.

>>3126833
dude you've been doing this for a day straight, go get some pussy instead of whining online for hours about how you can't accept change.

>>3126833
Who's complaining about shooters?

Everybody loves Ibushi

>>3126843
he has a kickboxing pedigree sure but he's still a flippy guy.

>>3126833
>Kidani even said they need more guys with legitimate backgrounds and not just people who want to be flippy pro wrestlers
We can agree on this. Wrestling should be open to all style of wrestling to cater to even wider audiences. Not limited to one style only just because you fall for the current fad

>>3126833
>Oka
>main guy
>over Kitamura
haha he'll be stuck in the NEVER division dumb seething fuck

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"Wrestling"

>>3126849
whoosh

>>3126858
>"Wrestling"
Shit like that makes me go full cornette.

>>3126858
rent free

>>3126611
>People getting assblasted that some people pretend to fight differently than other people
I bet you guys get mad when you watch an action movie, and no one is making jokes and doing pratfalls. It's a different genre. It's still wrestling, just not the wrestling you like.

>>3126882
Shhh. Logic doesn't get the (you)s.

>>3126882
>Play basketball and say it's football
>"But it isn't football!"
>"It's a different genre. It's still formal l football, just not the football you like."

>>3126611
if you enjoy the faggy flips of those 2 shitters, youre a nujamanlet who will get laughed out the tokyo dome by us newjachads and inoki soldiers

>>3126890
It's in a wrestling ring so it's wrestling retard. Just because you don't like the STYLE of wrestling doesn't mean it isn't wrestling.

>>3126895
>It's in a wrestling ring so it's wrestling retard
But what if it's Boxing or MMA? Who's the retard now loooooool btfo.

>>3126894
>inoki soldiers
>soldiers for literally an irrelevant cuck

>>3126902
Is that english? Boxing and MMA rings are different retard.

>>3126905
>irrelevant cuck
know your history NuJapanlet.

>>3126909
>almost killed the company in the early 2000s

I know my history inoki fag.

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>>3126910
>The fall and recent small recovery of New Japan correlates exactly with the stratospheric rise of PRIDE FC (late 90s/early 2000s) and the eventual collapse of its successor company DREAM (around 2011). Tanahashi didn't 'save wrestling' or whatever you marks believe, it's just that wrestling didn't have to compete with MMA as a mainstream cultural force anymore.

>Back then New Japan and puroresu in general was having to compete with MMA, and TV execs were telling Inoki to push shooters like Ogawa or they'd take away NJPW's TV time slot. Inoki did indeed make some mistakes, but to ignore the more important external factors he had no control over is pure ignorance.

>>3126858

Am I the only one that thinks this is incredible until 0:19 where it turns into one of the worst things ever seen in wrestling?

>>3126947
Just like all flippy shit, I saw it the first time and it was amazing. Then, I watched it back and realized it was actually shit. I hate Will Ospreay. I'm glad he's gotten a lot of injuries doing all that stupid stuff. Maybe he'll slow down and learn how to wrestle.

>>3126715
>>3126833
Imagine unironically defending an era that won't come back and is in the process of being outdrawn.
odrones are edrone-tier.

>>3126611
Anybody who think these to spot monkey gymnasts are pro wrestlers need to watch a Steiner Bros NJPW match or Jake Roberts 1980's match. They'll soon change their tune.

>>3127087
>old man yells at cloud

Scott Steiner was a fucking progenitor of flippy shit

>>3126621
Wait, so WWE pulls in more attendance in 2 days than NJPW does in an entire month... and you're using this to convince people NJPW is successful?

Hahahaha

>>3127448
Watch Steiners vs. Doom or Gordy/Williams or Power Warriors (Hawk/Sasaki) or Hase/Muta

you don't have a clue watch you're talking about. Steiner bros matches looking like legitimate competitive athletic contests no scripted acrobatics with obvious co-operation. Yes, Scott did frankensteiners and stuff but the way he delivered it and within the context of his very real looking matches it was awesome.

>>3127511
yeah bro there are shoot frankensteiners all the time in NCAA matches

>>3127466
They're showing that they're growing maybe? Grow up

>>3127466
A constantly sold out event is more successful to me than a half-filled venue, since the latter obviously bleeds money and seems unsustainable

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>>3126638
>Using your to mean 'you are'
Embarrassing

>>3126947
It looks unrealistic about 3 seconds in when the dude does the un-necessary front flip over Osprey, then turns around, and instead of you know, trying to punch Osprey in the head he just lets Osprey run straight past him, then doesn't try kicking Osprey with something like a drop kick.

Then a bunch more flippy shit, and the worst part, the obviously choreographed headscissor thing followed by both of them doing gymnastics in the middle of the ring.

>>3126611
>I saw one gif of a match and am judging an entire style based off 10 seconds

>>3126947

Not at all, I felt the same way. Them hitting the landing spot + stare down at the end is anime/comic book influenced cringe on maximum.

>>3126833
>Kidani even said they need more guys with legitimate backgrounds
Because that's a niche they haven't been able to fill since Sakuraba left and Shibata killed hisself, it's not that he wants to make that the main focus of the company again.

>>3127521
did I say there was you dumbass cunt? what don't you understand you stupid motherfucker? REAL draws money. Showmanship entertains. Steiners shoot grappling and throwing them around with suplexes for 20 minutes suspends fans disbelief and the finishing frankensteiner (which looked real as fuck by the way - this is the late 80's/early 90's before MMA even existed) is pro wrestling.

just watch a Steiners match faggot and stfu. Ospreay and Ricoshit would have been eaten alive by the Steiners.

>>3127681
Both of those guys are different styles. Mma/shooter and quarrel strong style(Shibata). The rookies are being trained to be their own style, Hw with no flips.

They will probably end up like 90s Njpw sans limb-work on arms or legs. Of course with the current day elbow bunting and strike exchanges.

>>3127706
>The rookies are being trained to be their own style, Hw with no flips.
Good to know you somehow know how young lions will end up working despite them not even having their own gimmick yet. Going to laugh my ass of when I see Oka doing springboard moonsaults.

>>3127710
Um Kidani said so. You dumb neckbeard.

>>3127712
Sure, sure, can't wait to see your delusions that NJPW going back to strong style being shattered soon.

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>>3127448
>>3127511
>>3127521
>>3127702

REAL PRO WRESTLING
NJPW/WCW top tag team vs. AJPW top tag team. Jim Ross having an orgasm.

Steiners vs Steve Williams and Terry Gordy

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxxlkc

REAL MEN having a fight not a gymnastic show

>>3126631
For having such a safe style and never taking any big bumps these two get injured quite a bit.

>>3127724
>muh wher have the REAL MEN gone
>old man STILL yelling at cloud

>>3126656
>WWE continues to stuck in the past, scraping the remaining of the glorious day in the while no one actually wants your product anymore.

If only.

>>3127724
Scott Steiner invented the 450 in some bingo hall. Should be on YouTube.

>>3127714
Nah. You're gonna get blown out.

>>3127724
I'm 6 mins and 20 seconds into this and it's the realest looking match I've ever seen. No lie.

>>3127744
Yeah he did it in 1986 when he'd just broke into the business before he learned how to work. So what's your point? Steiners matches were structured to look like competitive athletic sporting contests. His shit look real. You couldn't see through his stuff. He used many amateur manoeuvres and shoot holds. Jobber wre scared to wrestle the Steiners. Rick would take their heads off with Steinerline. Their transitions were grappling. Scott added a frankensteiner for the showmanship because it's pro wrestling but by no means did it look out of place; it looked devastating and their was no obvious co-operation.

How many Steiner Brother matches from 1988 - 1994 have you actually watched?

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>>3126858
>>3126947
It's that last synchronized backflip with the locking eyes that makes it look so stupid to me. Before that, it was two guys with similar styles out-maneuvering eachother, which is fine. But that SubZero vs. Scorpion shit staredown with the pregnant pause expecting an applause is the sort of bullshit I cant stand in wrestling.

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flips and shit don't really bother me. people that dislike pull the real fight card all too often. the truth is that flips and spinning shit can work in a fight

exhibit a

>>3127783
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x23z89m

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exhibit b

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exhibit c

>>3126858
THIS IS WREST LING
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP
THIS IS WREST LING
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP
THIS IS WREST LING
CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP

>>3128072
They're counter and strikes not a flying move or random flip for no reason. Anyway it's the gaijin who are the mostly flippy guys.

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>>3128061
>>3128072
>>3128075

on the same token, mma can be a work and have theatrics as well.

exhibit a

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>>3126621

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>>3126611
>>3126636
>>3126858
>>3126864
>>3126882
>>3126890
>>3126895
The problem here is that some of us watch wrestling as entertainment. When you watch, you watch it as a show that happens to have live athletes wrestling by a set of rules. You have to suspend your disbelief a certain amount in order to enjoy pro wrestling.

Things like this - obviously choreographed flippy shit - make it EXTREMELY hard to suspend your disbelief and enjoy the show. Even a pretend fight can go too far in the entertainment direction for some people.

>>3126858
I want to see them flip around Strowman and get squashed!