HEMA General - Historical European Martial Arts

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>>2953312
DON'T FORGET TO STRETCH!

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HAve you trained your takedowns today?

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Austria und German bros, you going to the Salzburg championships in October?

>>2953322
Happened to be my first day learning dagger takedowns, actually. Interesting timing.

Is pro gauntlet still active? Will they ever deliver?

>>2953324
I won't make it this year, unfortionately

>>2953335
>Is pro gauntlet still active?
yes
>Will they ever deliver?
no

Sorry about the late reply, I only check the thread once or twice a week since it's slow.

>>2948448
>Could you show us an example of good rapier fencing?
For destreza, anything with Ton Puey or Aitor Blanco is good. Watch how they fence in tournaments especially. For Italian, look up Francesco Loda or Pim Terminiello, but in Pim's case see if you can get anything that *isn't* a tournament because his method of fencing for winning in tournaments is really specialized and doesn't represent how he'd fence martially.

For a specific and concrete example, compare this clip >>2950361 Anon linked with the two vegetables here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-NqH1-L5x4 (take especial note of the """"lunge"""" by the left guy at about the minute mark, a thing of real beauty and perfection that stands out even amid an ocean of sloppy footwork and flapping blades)

You can also see their high-level instruction skills on display if you hate your colon and don't care how much of it you shit out due to the ebola this video will unquestionably give you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-jwRSRUB_E

And I mean, one of those faggots is Marsden, he's supposed to be considered good for an American from what everyone tells me. Yet he can't even push a lunge without overbalancing onto his front foot, and his idea of point control is to miss and then flail his point around in the hopes of randomly brushing something.


You could also look at any other given vid of US HEMA guys fencing with rapiers since they're all walking disasters.

>>2953617
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-NqH1-L5x4
Oh fuck, I'm not a rapier fencer but that still looks like a complete disaster even to me

>>2953679
>skull shaped groin protector
embarassing

>>2953765
Different anon, but that really made me cringe. Is that really an instructor wearing that 'thing'?

>>2953617
At least they're better than Australians.

>>2953798
You're not serious, are you? The Australians are even worse?
I feel blessed being an european

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I've just come across a couple of nice rapier fighting french engravings from the early 17th century, so I might share them here...
Far away from fantasy looking fights.

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>>2953921
And the other one. It's interesting to note that otherwise pretty much everytime he draws a gentleman of some sort, there is a sword at the hip. It goes to show (if there is still the need of it) that for this kind of people, it was indeed a common item in their daily lives.
Then again it's the specific case of the violent France of the 1620's but still...

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>>2953954
For instance here "Man with a violin"... and a nice sword and cape if need be.

>>2953880
>I feel blessed being an european
You are not European, you sir are a Brit! Sorry.

>>2954041
ETERNAL ANGLO

>>2954041
>Brit
That's a grave insult, I'm not a wrist-flicking island ape!

>>2954325
You should be so lucky.

no sca huh

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Guy from last thread concerning shitty mods

>HEMAA has some shit mods, and the backlash they're getting shouldn't be brushed off.
"Which is a damn shame, because so many of them are amazing researchers or practitioners who are very open.
But alas, one or two special snowflakes and they full "shut it down" mode.
The victim mentality is killing America. rip"
Homeboy think good practitioners make good mods
kek
Imagine being this retarded

>>2954513
imho it's ok as long as you're aware of your inferiority

ha fully. im about a week into learning lichteneuer longsword. ive been practicing the basic positions, moving around in each of them, and a couple hews in the air . also doing similar basics for single rapier, thrusting into a tree, and some basic tumbling for fun. is there something i can add to solo practice beyond this or should i stick to fundamentals for now?

>>2953280
>>2953429
T'was just a jest, I'm not in Morocco at all, I just threw a jape at him and the situation of HEMA as I would guess it in Maghreb.

To Moroccobro, we're all gonna make it brah.

>>2953617
It's not fair to compare them to David Pascal. I mean look at that sexy motherfencer working like a swiss clock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44JxhHTgBvE

>>2954536
Absolutely stick to the fundamentals!
Even after years of training the fundamentals are the most important thing, always train them.

>>2954536
foot work, tons of foot work.

>>2954536
100% this >>2954624
All fencing (or rather all fighting in general) comes from footwork

>>2954513
SCA is usually banned from this topic because the discussion usually turn to "we do real fighting" "no, you don't, we do" and it's kinda boring and it isn't usefull for anyone.
Btw a few time some sca dudes behave good and were treated fairly because they actually contributed to the discussion.

>>2954553
this is porn

>>2954553
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44JxhHTgBvE
What kind of Adidas shoes are those?
I've seen them before, someone I know has them but I can't remember who. And I want them!

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>>2954553
>"La Touche's lunge is over the top"
>This guy does something not far remote of it as if it's tuesday
I don't know what to believe about "improbable illustrations" anymore...

>>2954851
Honestly see him spar and go "oh well, seems so eas- what the fuck did he just do?". I rarely enjoyed watching someone spar so much, he kept using behind the back thrusts against his sparring mate as if it was nothing when I was in Dijon, it was also one of the rare occasions where I saw a spin used effectively and gracefully.

On another note I should check smallsword sources, seems interesting.

>>2954553
Wasn't that Anon's exact point though, that there's nobody even remotely like Pascal in the US?

>>2954553
>>2955159
Where is this Pascal dude from? Club? Nation?

>>2953880
>The Australians are even worse?
Yep.
Sad thing is they were once one of the leaders in research (idk fucking how), but ever since they've stagnated or boarderline gone backwards.
One of their """best""" instructors wear LARP tier, SCA level, home-bashed reenactment armour.
The second literally does play fighting (as in theatre) and claims it's "legit".
The third has produced anything new in a decade and rest on his laurels PLUS is incredibly cliquish.
They also notoriously mercenary as they'll fight for just about any Euro country (e.g. in BoTN/ACL/etc.) and love to suck on the teat of "Mommy" Britain.
SAD

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>>2954553
>mfw I'll never have that kind of hip and ankle mobility because boneitis

JUST

>>2953771
>Is that really an instructor wearing that 'thing'?
As the video says right at the beginning, that guy is Richard Marsden, generally considered the number one HEMA sabre instructor in North America. Skullcrotch quite literally represents the peak of US HEMA instruction.

>>2953318
No happy baby, no stretchy!

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>>2955862
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H A P P Y
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>>2955461
HEMA "Polish" sabre instructor

It's just someone with severe autism. Ignore it.

>>2956384
who? what?

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Is there a reason why so "many" girls are doing HEMA?
The new beginner course this year will have about 10 people of whom 5 are female.
In my club (not INDES, the picture just fits) there are about 20 active practitioners, 5 of them girls.
Just a lucky coincidence?

>>2955402
Don't worry 80s man, things'll get better for you in 1000 years

>>2956457
Probably inspired by the women in Game of Thrones.

>>2956457
They're HEMA hos. Sword sluts. Hutton hussys.

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>>2956552
>Sword sluts
hot!

>>2956552
>Hutton
>not even Swetnam
Absolutely disgusting, doesn't know his history, stupid degrading puns, good job...

>>2956441
The faggot that made this thread and all the replies, is just one guy talking to himself

>>2956626
I'm the fag that made the thread, 6 or 7 posts are mine.
What are you talking about?

So again, where is this Pascal dude from?

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>>2953312
Does anyone have any more medieval anime? I consider myself a collector.

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>>2956763

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>>2956763

Can one of the Ameribros explain me whats the current trouble about?

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>>2956763
is sword&buckler the greatest thing to happen to humanity?

>>2956808
you mean regarding rapier and only europeans being good at that?

>>2956838
NA, regarding HEMAA

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>>2956836
I think it's horribly underappreciated, doomed to live in longsword-sama's shadow.

I wish that we saw a greater level of expertise, because good sword & buckler fighting is fucking stylish.

>>2956873
>I think it's horribly underappreciated, doomed to live in longsword-sama's shadow.
Not the same anon but isn't it because there's a cruel shortage of sources about it. For what i've seen you have the choice between I:33, Bolognese (Manciolino and Marozzo), Lignitzer and that's pretty much it (and Lignitzer is only one page, a good page but then). Or am I missing something?

And then you have stuff like the "Ms 3227a sword and buckler" to add insult to the injury.

>>2956599
>tfw your dick is thinner than a messer

Fuck me lads, how can I even satisfy a woman like that?

>>2956623
>not even Swetnam
Swetnam would just call them "Swhores"

>>2956856
The TL;DR is they're overreaching themselves.
People got snappy with their HEMA policing.
Now they're butthurt.

>>2956938
Why does anyone want to police HEMA? It's a youngass sport, in fact it barely even is a sport. What use is a governing body anyway?

Standardised rulesets for tournaments? They should be differing and ever-changing for good reasons. It's a strongpoint of HEMA.

An official definition of what HEMA is and how a club should be run? Fuck off. The definition of HEMA is in the name, and what sort of clubs fall under the term is obvious.

It seems that in NA we get a lot of opinionated people with oversized (but fragile) egos trying to turn themselves into leading figures in a movement that doesn't require any.
It think it probably stems from something as petty as people refusing to accept alternative interpretations of a technique, shit like that.

>>2956979
I should add that HEMA as a movement should know better. We don't want any more John Clements types.

>>2956979
>An official definition of what HEMA is and how a club should be run?
No one really needs that, that's right!
That's why the anon from the last thread was right regarding IFHEMA, they want to preserve every nations own take on HEMA and don't want to regulate clubs.
Standardized rules would be cool if some kind of "super rules" could be created that are as martially accurate as possible and still make everyone happy. I fear that's pretty much impossible though...

>>2956979
>Why does anyone want to police HEMA?
>It's a youngass sport, in fact it barely even is a sport. What use is a governing body anyway?
>It seems that in NA we get a lot of opinionated people with oversized (but fragile) egos trying to turn themselves into leading figures in a movement that doesn't require any.
You kind of answered your own question.
HEMA is still young, flexible with what constitutes qualified, fluid rules, etc.
Basically the Wild West/Frontier mentality.
If I wanted to make a name for myself in a niche, with skills and passion that have limited real world practicality, that would be the exact sort of environment I'd choose. I could have it all, make myself in to a hero, a god, a true master.

After all, who's going to stop me?

This is why, as an Australian, I'd throw my support behind the IFHEMA rather than a HEMAA structure.

The US does a lot of great stuff, but stop interfering with how other countries do their thing. It's not a weakness, it's HEMA's strength as no matter what happens to one, the rest will adapt. It seems though that this doesn't fit with what some of our American friends believe. If you have the money, you make the rules right?

>>2957068
Well, IFHEMA is a planned structure with the goal to govern and protect HEMA but leave everybody its autonomy.

HEMAA is grown online board and HEMA association that has reached the limit of its capacity, changing structure here is hard. I doubt a single association can represent all US HEMA, the scene is too diverse.

>>2957068
>If I wanted to make a name for myself in a niche, with skills and passion that have limited real world practicality, that would be the exact sort of environment I'd choose.
This is exactly it. These guys are seeing a market opening, effectively. Now they're pissy that their plan backfired.

>>2956891
>And then you have stuff like the "Ms 3227a sword and buckler" to add insult to the injury.

Never read Ms 3227a what's the story behind that? I've heard Fiore's sword and buckler makes people sad but haven't got around to reading that either.

Oh and as far as real sources go there is also Mair but I'm not sure how good his is.

I've been meaning to get into S&B but I'll probably start with I.33 since that seems like the most common.

>>2957161
>These guys are seeing a market opening, effectively.
It's great isn't it?
I've read so many comments from people who think they're being "evil" or "malicious".
Listen children, this is what is called seeing an opportunity. In America it is instilled at a very young age that the way to success is not to build upon the work of others, but seek gap to exploit for personal glory.
It's amoral. It's the culture of "Fuck you, got mine! Just do what I did!"
It is the reason America became a dominant power.
And it is the mentality that will cause it to shrink, as all empires do.
And then the cycle will begin anew.

Going out on a limb here, but is there anyone in the Zürich area?

I'll be going to HADU when it opens up after the summer break. Initially I considered GetC, but they open up way late and they seem put a lot of emphasis on Ringen, which interests me considerably less. HADU on the other hand seems to do a lot of S&B which is right up my alley.

Does anyone here have any experience with those clubs, and their members?

>>2957215
>I've heard Fiore's sword and buckler makes people sad
>but haven't got around to reading that either.
DELET THIS ;_;

>>2957215
Dear Anon, I shall give you, the entire "sword and shield" texts of the MS.3227a!

"Here begins the fencing with the shield, etc.

Who wants to learn to fence with the shield or with the buckler must first know"

And here you go! How do you like Lignitzer's one-page sword and buckler now?

Fiore's sword and buckler plays are as numerous as the numbers of games that there is on the PS3 so that gives you an idea (hopefully).

>>2957256
>Who wants to learn to fence with the shield or with the buckler must first know
Please kill me, that's fucking sad...

>>2956457
Women think swords are cool.
Women will want to learn how to use swords.
If your instructors and club environment are good, women will stick around.
Then they will bring more women.
That's how babies are made.

>>2957256
>Fiore has no buckler
But there is no reason a Fiorist cannot use bucklers. go through I.33, do a bit of triangulation with the Bolognese buckler sources. Only to supplement your research. This won't be your main body of study.
There also exists a buckler section to Ludwig von Eyb's treatise. However all it is, is pictures with no description.
This is why I.33 is going to be your main body of work, alongside Armizare.

One could neatly compartmentalize a buckler system into the flower of battle. If you look to the grappling, dagger, baton and one-hand sword sections of Fiore, you can create a coherent one-hand sword system. Remembering that a buckler can be married to nearly any blade grab or bind play, one can use that as a bridge to the buckler.

What you're looking at then is basically wrestlefight: bucklers and swords incidental.
Now if anyone knows of other SnB sources that are closer to the medieval period and not the sidesword, I'd be glad to see them.

>>2957219
>I've read so many comments from people who think they're being "evil" or "malicious".
But... they are? Amoral explotiation of others and their communities for personal gain at their expense is the literal definition of evil, what the fuck.

>>2958318
Wrong thread?

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>>2958361
>>2958318
wrong anime

I like how I.33 and Lignitzer are similar and different. They both protect the sword hand with the buckler, bind with the blades and use the shieldstrike. But they wind in very different ways.

>>2957935
4u

>>2958924
It is cool comparing buckler systems.
What's funny is that, as you read later ones, the need to cover the hand with the buckler reduces overall, but it still crops up in certain plays.

Schiavona and targa (the square or rectangular buckler) is an absolute mindfuck combination. Would recommend trying it.

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>>2958318

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>>2958318
NOW it's anime

>>2957497
>Ludwig von Eyb
Just had a quick look through it.
It's almost like a fusion of I.33, Litziger, and early Bolognese (lots of fingers over guards).
Quite weird...

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What's the stuff you're waiting on guys?
In August I should get my Regenyei's feder, in September a Berbekucz saber and in October the 5-finger Sparring Gloves.

Also thinking about getting the PBT Warrior Mask. Is it better to wait for the Leon Paul metal helmet/mask or the Rearguard?

>>2960025
Eyb is an interesting text that can serve as a good transition to study thumb up and finger over guards. And it's another text that highlights the fact there are really small differences between medieval/renaissance German and Italian "schools" of fencing. it's more likely that independent schools had their differences, but all of it was fencing. Like dojo iterations of Karate.

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WE WUZ FENCERZ N SHIET

>>2953318
You know you can warm-up and stretch without doing exercises from tampon commercials, ye?

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>>2960410
What do you think the first A in HAMA stands for?
You're not allowed to use a sword if you're not black!

In all earnest though, fuck that shit. I have no problem with blacks doing HEMA (I fucking love east asians doing HEMA!), but claiming it's all theirs, they developed it and medieval Europe was black is fucking bullshit.

>>2960448
stretching doesn't have anything to do with warm-up though

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>>2960410
Well some black people were fencers and highly renowned ones at that. What's wrong acknowledging that?
Le Chevalier de St-Georges's portrait even got on Henry Angelo's salle. Jean Louis Michel was one of the most famous duellist and fencer (for his one against 13 duels) in his days.

There is nothing wrong saying that some fencers were black and some were very renowned, it's just facts, doesn't mean that you can't recognize at the same time, that they were a minority.
There's a surprisingly correct middle ground between "no blacks in HEMA never ever" and "HEMA was all done by blacks".

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>>2960082
Get the Rearguard.
If you're getting smacked in the back of the head hard enough to need solid steel, you'd better be:
>A
Harness fighting, or
>B
Re-enactment.

>>2960090
It is pretty good.
I think most of the "Muh Master" faction bantering is just that, people having fun pretending that they genuinely believe their master is better than anyone else.

I'm looking at you George Silver.

>>2960410
>>2960459
Literally kniggers.

>we love you tho

>>2960532
With the Leon Paul helmet probably being >350€ and the Rearguard being cheaper than a normal 1600N PBT mask with BoH protector I'm also more inclined to the Rearguard.

Is there a plan when they'll release?

>>2960562
Check out their Facebook

>>2960463
You can easily do both at the same time you NARP, and you don't need to look like a poof while doing it.

>>2960494
Just laugh at the fucking meme you humorless cunt.

>>2960666
satan trips, please go back to /pol/

>>2960666
I'll laugh when it will actually be funny. This is just the most boring uninspired type of wewuzmemeing, not like this meme can't be funny or anything, but this was just plain lazy memeing. Same with freaking St-Maurice, it's getting old... There's more to do of it than just,
WE WUZ MEMES N SHIT

Humor is too serious to be left in the hands of funny people

Anyway, the article "linked" is absurdly titled since there's like, one or two actual americans described in it and more than half of the rest are french...

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>>2960695
>Humor is too serious to be left in the hands of funny people

>>2960645
>NARP
a what?

>>2960751
Non-athletic regular parson. It took me all of 2 seconds to google it.

>>2960645
>You can easily do both at the same time
I hope you're talking about short dynamic stretches?

>>2960789
So you mean someone WITHOUT a fucked up body at the age of 30?

>>2960645
>>2960789
>NARP
>It took me all of 2 seconds to google it.
Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Program
I'm training 3 times a week in my club and the other 4 days about 2 hours each.
Far from being a professional, but also not a """"NARP"""" (I guess?)

>>2960082
i want that middle helmet

>>2954553
Fuck, I'm still doing my beginners Liechtenauer longsword course so there's a lot that I'm probably missing, but that guy is so fluid. Is that what hundreds of hours of footwork training allows you to do?

>>2960946
>Is that what hundreds of hours of footwork training allows you to do?
Probably, I've been doing HEMA for 5 years with lots and lots of footwork but I still can't move as fluid and graceful as he does ;_;

>>2960925
Anyone who hasn't been working out and playing sports for their entire lives is a narp, it doesn't matter what you're doing now. Even if you started at the age of 20 you're still forever a narp.

>>2960981
Still love how everyone here has been doing HEMA for years, and I'm just sitting there like an autist with 7 2 hour classes under my belt.

>>2960983
>for their entire lives
Well, I didn't start as a baby, so I'm probably non-athletic.

>>2961002
Everyone had to start from zero, just keep doing it!
I've now started doing saber in another club and it nearly feels like starting from scratch.

>>2961995
Suppose that's true with everything. If I pass my exam at the end of the course I'll hopefully be able to start more advanced classes.
Have a saber class on somtimes during my longsword course, looks pretty interesting so I'd love to try it. Good luck in it!

>>2960082
> a Berbekucz saber
Let me hear more of this. I didn't know he did sabres.

>>2962717
Berbekucz can make for big of anything
No blyat waitings time
One must be of willing to make slightly heavier blade though Toвapищ

>>2954553
>3:25
Dear god. So that's what elves look like.

>>2960645
>NARP
Oh look, it's that guy who keeps trying to make NARP a thing. Poor guy.

Who is going to Fightcamp.

Good instructor list this year.

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Did someone say anime?

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>>2964846
Voldemort was real?

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>>2964862
yes

>>2964104
Me will go

any central ohio folks know much about that royal arts place? me and my friends kinda want to get into hema but they seem to be the only show in town.

>>2960410
>blacks pls be interested in our sport

>>2962717
>Let me hear more of this
I will, I'm really looking forward to it, it's damn cheap (140€)

>I didn't know he did sabres
I also had no idea, I just asked because my club uses his feders and they're very reliable

>>2965029
>real_time_portrayal_of_dark_souls3_invader_lag_switching_against_player_lag_switching_while_both_trying_to_backstab_each_other.jpg

>>2965029
are they using clubs?

need someone help, pls tell me what mean"estocade " and "Imbrocade" ? thx

In defense of American rapier, I do know of a few people who are pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83_KhD5YmdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9bv7sAeco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlyPurIt7bQ

Now, admittedly, they do tend to like playing dressup, but they're a hell of a lot better than Marsden. Seriously, who is it that thinks he's good? "Polish" saber is the only thing he's know for, by anyone I've met, and even that's a dubious sort of reputation, for obvious reasons.

>>2966198
What source are you looking at?

>>2966206
Rapier, academy of the sword

>>2966264
Thibault? I'm not real familiar with his stuff, but in the Italian systems, stoccata and imbroccata both refer to thrusts - precise definitions vary by source, though imbroccata is usually a descending thrust, as from prima - so I'd assume it's something similar for Thibault.

>>2966295
many thanks!

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>>2966198
>need someone help, pls tell me what mean"estocade " and "Imbrocade" ? thx
An estocade=stoccata is an "ascending" thrust from terz/3rd.
Imbrocade=Imbroccata is a "descending" thrust from prima/1st (Unless you're Joseph Swetnam in which case fuck you).

>>2966206
>In defense of American rapier, I do know of a few people who are pretty good
I'm not the original guy complaining, but he did say HEMA rapier. Those guys seem to all be SCA Cut and Thrust guys.

>>2966736
Most are from the CSG, Greg Mele's school and they really aren't SCA (now anyway).
Bill Grandy has his own salle as well.

I'm confused with Dussack footwork.

Which foot is the lead foot or does it not matter? I'm skimming through the Art of Combat and I don't see Meyer mentioning anything about having a preferred forward foot for Dussack, though I know he likes the dominant foot forward for rapier. Is it all dependent on the guard or is the arm/body position the thing that matters most?

>>2966707
>An estocade=stoccata is an "ascending" thrust from terz/3rd.
thanks!

>>2966945
>>2966707
A caveat to that is obviously to take into the origin and date of the source. In french "estocade" came to be used for any kind of thrust (but then they mostly thrust for tierce and quarte, so lower ones). If you've got both Imbrocade/Estocade, then there's good reason to think that it is indeed to refer to descending/ascending thrusts.
Estocade is overall a more general term for thrusts, especially in french texts of the late 17th, 18th c.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va15p4OzaKQ

Footage of the Thokk gloves at Longpoint.

>>2966736
>>2966788
I don't know much about SCA, but technique wise, those guys are all doing proper Italian rapier.

>>2967303
You think they'll beat progauntlet to launch?

>>2967415
Not him, but I think they'll do

>>2967415
has there been any news on pro gauntlets? there last update was ages ago?

Which gloves are better for steel sidesword sparring?

>>2968313
The ones you don't have.

>>2968313
5-finger sparring gloves probably?
small enough to use sidesword/saber/smallsword/rapier but very good protection.

>>2968196
No, haven't heard anything. They are overdue for a news blurp.

>http://feder.org.pl/?scm_comp=team-triathlon-tournament
Someone of you guys thinking about participating?

>>2967303
Nice performance.
Shame they look like crap.

>>2969956
>Shame they look like crap.
Dunno, they could be worse. I'm really excited for them, they look/sound like magic with all that science going into them!

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>>2968313
Don't think you can get anything better for one-handed weapons

>>2968313
Honestly Red Dragons are enough, unless you come up against something autismally hard-hitting like one of Danelli's heavier blades. Regenyei's sideswords hit less hard than his sabres and Red Dragons are standard for those.

>>2967415
>>2968196
Progauntlets are a scam, my dudes, they're never coming out.

>>2967415
With Thokk costing <200€ and Pro Gauntlets probably >350€, absolutely yes.

What's an interesting unarmed, empty-handed HEMA?

>>2970238
abrazzare and Ringen, also Pugilism

>>2970295
>also Pugilism
This. I'm current teaching a small class of MMA dudes as part of a cross-training opportunity.
Their mushy faces light up when they recognise a technique, it's adorable.
>"I'll now show you what was called the Cross-Buttock..."
>"Oh, oh! That's a harai goshi!"
>"Ah, close but not quite. A harai goshi is more similar to a Flying Mare..."
>"Oooh."
Feelsgoodman.jpg

>>2970159
>Progauntlets are a scam, my dudes, they're never coming out.

Even if they do, they've been so thoroughly beaten to the punch (Sparring, Thokk. et al.) that they're going to be facing an uphill battle to sell to HEMA at that price. It had better be revoluntionary. The funny part? Sometimes "good enough" is good enough. You don't need that level of protection for rapier or basket hilted weapons.

I have been led to believe that they may have very well pivoted focus to Defence/Security Force contracts and are only keeping a superficial presence in HEMA.

They constructed and rode the buzz you get attention for bigger contracts.

We've all been, as they say here, worked.

>>2970332
>We've all been, as they say here, worked.
I honestly don't even care. As you mentioned, Thokk, Sparring Gloves and Koning Gloves is all HEMA needs, maybe a revision or two and they're perfect (or at least 'good enough').

I'd rather have development time put into explicit HEMA masks, that's what's really lacking in my opinion

>>2970346
>I'd rather have development time put into explicit HEMA masks, that's what's really lacking in my opinion
I'm working on it senpai.
IP and Patents are expensive as fuck and regressive in Australia tho. See >>2960532.

>>2970346
>I'd rather have development time put into explicit HEMA masks, that's what's really lacking in my opinion
Why, whats wrong with them in your opinion?

>>2970351
nice, keep going!

>>2970354
>Why, whats wrong with them in your opinion?
Please go LeonPaul, 4chan is no place to do market research.
Stop poaching other peoples ideas then pushing them through with your money.
Your gorgets were shit, and your HEMA gear is sorely lacking.

>>2970354
* not enough padding/shock absorption
* no integrated back-of-head protection
* no GOOD integrated neck protection
* nothing to stop your nose from getting pressed into the mesh from a thrust to the face (though the PBT Warrior is supposed to prevent that with a metal strip or something)

My biggest gripe is the weak shock absorption. I had quite a headache after a rather rough sparring session, though that's mostly a problem for longsword I think. It also makes halberd and poleaxe sparring impossible without giving your opponent a concussion (or even worse, getting one yourself)

>>2970356
Thanks, that was one idea.
HOWEVER
Again, due to Australian law because Rearguard (in Thailand) patented it first, and because I spoke to one person once on a public forum about it, that particular idea/concept CANNOT BE PROTECTED in/under Australia law as it's now a PUBLIC concept.
So I can't tell anyone what I'm working on currently, and I don't have enough money to make it go faster, yet I legally can't tell people who want to invest or donate money to make it go ahead about it to get the funds to make it happen faster.
JUST

>>2970357
??? Hombre dafuq is wrong with you ???
I was just asking why you think Fencing masks with proper BOTHP are insufficient for HEMA? I rock a Uhlmann mask with a PBT protector and I never had any reason for complaint, and I fight longsword tournaments.
On the other side I had two hand injuries due to insufficient gloves.

>>2970365
>It also makes halberd and poleaxe sparring impossible without giving your opponent a concussion (or even worse, getting one yourself)
Those are impossible anyway because they're mass weapons.
You have to wear armour OR fight with light weapons OR lessen your intensity.
A quarterstaff is the same (that we train), it cannot be done at full speed with full intent without at least a lighter rattan staff and essentially plate armour.

>>2970370
>I was just asking why you think Fencing masks with proper BOTHP are insufficient for HEMA?
That's why I answered you here >>2970365
The other anon is just some grumpy guy

>>2970365
Yeah well, I beg to differ.
The protection that a properly sized quality mask, a protector and maybe the blade catcher of a hema vest offer are fair. we had no heavy head, throat or neck injuries in hema ever afaik. Quality masks and protectors can be had for a reasonable price form various companies, so price and availability is fair.
Shock absorption is a bit of a problem , a proper mask cover (usually part of the protector) does address this issue, yet we still had our share of concussions in longsword over the years. Skull caps do work but look shite.

>>2966206
Hey, >>2953617 here, thanks for proving my point. These guys are appalling especially for examples of US excellence, instructors of small regional clubs in Europe fence better than this. Remember I said originally that the Americans don't know how to hold guards, don't fight at anything like full speed, move badly? These clips are rife with all of that. Grandy in particular has terrible guards, "breaking" the wrist constantly. There's also a ton of posture fencing going on here, where they just try to stand so they look like a picture from a treatise as much as possible.

I'll restrict myself to two specific examples of awful shit fighting now but if you watch the vids you'll see tons of this occurring throughout:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlyPurIt7bQ
Around the 1:34 mark. Bill Grandy, the guy in blue, gets a huge clean stringer of Rutherford's blade. Then he does... nothing with it. For two full seconds he just stands there like an idiot, then he tries a "lunge" step of approximately two inches and fails to hit.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9bv7sAeco
Essentially the same issue as above. No more than eight seconds in, Rutherford seizes Grandy's rapier with his dagger. Then he does fuck-all with that, Grandy tries some sort of feeble attack, they both come out of it looking like idiots.

Let's compare with a fight between good fencers! Alberto Bomprezzi vs. Eduardo Pérez:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKOfolUd_JY
If you can't tell these guys are superior on every level, you need to do a lot more rapier.

I'll grant you this one thing about the US guys: they're not as shit as Marsden. You're right about that much.

>>2970389
>a properly sized quality mask
That could be my problem, but I have no clue what's the 'right size'.
The mask is either too tight so I can't even get it on my head or lose enough to waggle a bit when turning the head.
I've never found anything in between so I've added a bit of additional padding on the inside (now it fits but I can't hear anything ;_;)

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>>2970398
>Alberto Bomprezzi vs. Eduardo Pérez:
FUCK
Living in Australia is pain with regards to rapier.

>>2970400
Depends a bit on the country, like Italian masks are often a tad smaller than German makers.
Second thing you need to do with a mask is to shape it to your head. Put the mask on the floor and very gently start applying pressure to the mask with your knee, either to the top or to the sides, depending on your needs.

>>2970398
>Alberto Bomprezzi vs. Eduardo Pérez
Damn, not even a rapierist but those guys just look godly in the way they move and fight!

>>2970400
An arming cap solved that issue for me. Fits much better and is nore comfortable.

>>2970406
>>2970413
good to know, thanks guys!

>>2970416
You do know that you measure fencing masks around chin and top of the head?

>>2970427
Yeah, but there wasn't one that would fit. I'm some kind of 'in between size'

>>2970402
Yes, but never forget, in exchange you got koala bears and penguins!

>>2970398
Cool commentary bro, post a video of you sparring with rapier.

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how do i practice this without looking like a larping faggot

i don't think i have a place that's hidden with enough room

I could go in the forest but I dont' want to get called a virgin and doing it solo seems like you would get less out of it than vs if you had another person to try stuff with

>>2975583
>caring about what others think
HEMA isn't for you, look for something else

>>2975583
you can get a few things out of it when doing it solo but in 99% of cases it's better to have someone else to train with

>>2975616
It seems like you care about what he thinks.

>>2975667
I have no problem with training solo outside, so dunno?

>>2953312
best way to train sabre solo? are there drills or something?

>>2975583
Go to the local city park, spontaneously start sparring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4B5NNE2o_A

People call you a virgin because you are a socially inept, uptight loser, not because you do HEMA.
>muh I am so worried about what other people think how I'd look when I do something that makes me happy.

>>2975583
>>2975859
>Go to the local city park, spontaneously start sparring
In Vienna there's a thing called "picnic and fencing" where HEMA nerds meet in summer to eat, swim, train and just have fun.
Start something like that yourself, maybe others will join in?

>>2966976
thank, explain very clearly

>>2975843
anyone?

>>2977751
I don't practice sabre, but I've heard about a six cut drill used by hungarians or something

>>2977751
MAtt loves you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYGLtIDc1vQ
Seriously, you not gonna saber solo, find like minded people.

>>2970398
>thanks for proving my point
Always happy to help.

The guys in the video you linked definitely seem to be pretty good, but I'm not sure what system they're using. It looks sort of Italian, but not like any of the usual masters there. Is it some weird Destreza variant?

>>2975843
Do the 6 cuts in predefined other of your choosing. After a bit of that assign a guard to each cut to perform immediately after the attack.

Practice footwork and moving forward/ backward/ left/ right correctly and slowly build up speed.

>>2977829
The six cut drill is in pretty much every english sabre manual of the 19th too.

>>2979354
>Is it some weird Destreza variant?
Well it's sure as fuck not Vincentio Saviolo, Thibaulet, William Cavendish, or any other hybrid along those lines.

To be quite honest I think the style is mostly reminiscent of the "Spilling Spaghetti" style.

>>2975843
Can you not do the various Ten Exercises and just visualise your opponent?

>>2980387
since you don't know if you get the blade angles right or not, and if you actually have line control or are wide open since there is no way to test it without a partner, I'd advise against it. So what is left is cutting drills to get a good strong and flexible wrist, and footwork drills... but that's it.

>>2980427
>cutting drills to get a good strong and flexible wrist, and footwork drills... but that's it.
I feared as much, but it's better than nothing.

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>>2980427
>since you don't know if you get the blade angles right or not, and if you actually have line control or are wide open since there is no way to test it without a partner, I'd advise against it

While I agree there's no way to know FOR CERTAIN, I have personally still found merit in imagining as viscerally as possible all the various angles, lines, and levels of pressure possible.

>http://www.mdpi.com/2075-4663/4/2/23/htm
The above is not specifically for fencing, but you get the idea.
>http://www.sportpsychologytoday.com/sport-psychology-for-coaches/the-power-of-visualization/

With regards to form, I practice with a mirror, shadow, or even window. Do I see myself being open? If so, I readjust until I close said line.

>>2980607
I agree with you to an extend, but therefore you already need a certain degree of knowledge on the matter, gained through an instructor and partner training. once I know how the right angles are suposed to look like and when I am save/open, I can correct myself. So I'd just do this kind of training if I am already an advanced fencer.

>>2970155
Hot opinions time.

I hate the five finger sparring gloves.
You get no tactile feeling with the fingers. At all. You also get to chew up anything that's not a wire wrap cord on your hilt. So GG for that Polan.
Now I know why these things came about. They're there because Longsword people want five finger gloves so they can do fancy things a lot quicker. They also want to use one pair of gloves to do all their things. Manufacturers, conversely, want you to be able to use one pair of gloves for everything.

In theory, it's not a bad idea. But in practice, this isn't working out so well. What we get are mutants like the Neyman five finger or the Inigo Montoya, this freak, and broken promises and fingers.

What the community needs is one specialized longsword glove, one specialized complex hilt glove. That's it, that's all. The manufacturers need to come to a standard for Sidesword and Rapier hilts. Standards for how big the finger rings will be, specifically. So gloves can be designed to accommodate this.

Some people will whine and complain about their custom swords not fitting with the gloves. But that's custom. If you have the money for Danelli, you have the money to front for a pair of steel gauntlets that should fit the danelli.

I'm not optimistic about the upcoming Thokk glove. Gloves are always a compromise design between price, protection, and mobility. Choose one and a half. If they are all that Dario claims they are, I will be absolutely elated. And I will purchase a pair for my Sidesword faggotry.

But if they are not, I have a Red Dragon with a fingertip protector.

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What's the best guard on paired sabers?

>>2981723
Two bucklers and a friend at your side.

>>2981723
I'm not sure those count as sabers without a more developed hilt.

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>>2982678
Then the oldest* sabre designs don't count as sabres then.
*Well, ancestor of the military/polish sabre

>>2962893
They're the right weight. For me. Mind, my favourite messer has been described as a crowbar with a ring on the side.

>>2965689
I've been thinking of doing the same. Have an arming sword and longsword and for the price and purpose they're ideal. What sort of sabre?

>>2956697
Spain, country of origin of the "verdadera destreza". He is from Galicia, i think. I have recently begun doing longsword in Barcelona and have heard about him. He is really nice.

>>2980436
You could tie some small targets to hang somewhere at varying heights to on thrust/ cut accuracy, I guess.

>>2981507
>one specialized complex hilt glove.
So just a leather glove with a more complex hilt then?

t. Broadsworder.

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>>2956599

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>>2982740
>What sort of sabre?
See picture.
Really looking forward to it because the Coldsteel training saber I have rusts like hell and the grip is far too thin for my hands...

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>>2983276
Like this one?
I plan on making one because it's literally just a cheap dog toy and a rope.

>>2983448
Broad and backsworders really only need a leather glove with a protective cuff that mates with the hilt. So easy to make that. One of the instructors in the Broadsword Academy in Manitoba uses that for protection. It's simplistic and allows for full movement.

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>>2983632
You can go cheaper.

I've gone ahead and illustrated the bottle technique. Cans can work as smaller targets but last even less

>>2983866
Did you draw that yourself?? It looks really damn fine (my legs actually look like this ;_;).
And yeah, that's very cheap

>>2983883
Thanks, I drew it on a phone.
>legs actually look like this
As long as you don't wear socks with thonged sandals

Where do I buy stuff if I live in poland?

>>2983929
Neyman Fencing is based in Poland.

>>2983909
Don't worry, I'm not a barbarian!
I either train with socks and training sneakers or barefoot

>>2983929
Neyman fencing as >>2983940 said and SPES Historical Fencing.
Szymon Chlebowski is a polish swordsmith, can't think of other ones atm.

>>2983940
>>2983957
thanks guys

>>2981507
>You get no tactile feeling with the fingers. At all.
Is that really a big problem? At least for longsword?

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>>2981723
>>2982717
>>2983614
sabre bros unite
why isn't there more love for the best melee weapon?

>>2984214
because too front heavy, I'll have more fun with a side sword.

Just a week and a half until my first HEMA experience, in a sword and buckler focused club.

The excitement is frankly killing me, partly because I took way too long (YEARS) to actually sign up for a club. I know there's very little for me to do until then, but does anyone have any tips?

>>2984236
Doesn't that depend very heavily on the type of sabre?

>>2984259
>Doesn't that depend very heavily on the type of sabre?
not having a counterweight and being optimized for cutting (weight to the front) is a central aspect of all sabers. Some are less pronounced so than others, but the principle stays.
A side word, even a Messer, is better balanced than a saber.
Not saying one makes for a better weapon than the other, but it is a different kind of fencing and the more balanced weapon suit me better.

>>2984277
19th century infantry officers' sabres are basically mildly curved backswords.

Except that in some cases they didn't cut very well because pipe-backs.

>>2984291
>mildly curved backswords without a pommel acting as counter weight
ftfy
Also you just did a very broad generalization, there is hundreds of types for 19th century infantry sabers.

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>>2984309
Pommels aren't necessarily counterweights, in many cases they were hollow. Blade geometry has a major impact on balance, and even then, sword handling is a far more complex subject than just centre of balance.

Even then, with their oftentimes substantial guards, metal backstraps (which sometimes extended down into a sort of pseudo-pommel) and all that jazz, you can actually get a pretty substantial amount of weight in the hilt of a sabre.

Although I guess that considering that my knowledge pretty much second-hand in its entirety (being the guy from this post)
>>2984259
I guess I should be open to correction.

>>2984214
>why isn't there more love for the best melee weapon?
Maybe same thing as with smallsword, not far enough in the past and sport fencing is already doing sabre.
It seems quite popular nevertheless.

>>2984331
Look mate, take a side sword and take a military saber, fence with them, and you see the difference.
Sabers are cut oriented, weight is more away form the hand and thats the the whole point of their concept. Have fun nitpicking some ultra rare late form for the sake of arguing,

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>>2984339
>small sword
>love
I hate them, they are killers. All triangular blades should be outlawed!

>>2984208
Not him, but yes it is. It's important for any weapon.

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>>2984208
Once you start feeling your weapon, going back feels just bad.

A new guy in my club is getting dangerous. It seems like he has the need to be the most thought guy, so there is a worrying escalation of aggression in his exercises and sparring. For example he starts before the opponent is ready, doesn't stop after someone gets hit, gets into wrestling and it's very unsafe since he and the other new guys aren't trained at it yet.
Keeping him out of sparring for a few weeks didn't work.
We tried to spar with him to show techniques>violence, but he just didn't learn the lesson.
I don't want to hurt him and I don't think it would help anyway, and I don't want to just kick him out without a last try to put him on the right mindset.
So, /asp/, wat do?

>>2984259
Stoop. Get used to holding two 1kg weights with your arms straight out. Get a hammer or something, look at some indian club videos, and work your wrists. Remember that the buckler is an imperfect protection and should be subordinate to the sword. Remember also to press, punch and wrap with it, but don't be a dick and punch with the rim. Read the manuals, or at least stare at them in confusion. Stoop some more.

>>2986011
Did you tell him he's being a major dickweed by endangering the people he practices with? Do you think he understands that?

If he doesn't understand, I honestly don't see why you should keep him around.
If I understand you correctly, it sounds like you've got some sort of violent meathead. Such people IMO don't have a place in HEMA anyway, as HEMA is (in theory) about the study and interpretation of the source material. A guy that is all about just whacking people with reckless abandon doesn't fit in that mold.

Really though, I guess you should perhaps give us more info about the guy, and what he's like as a person. A lot depends on whether or not you believe he can be reasoned with at all, as well as his idea of what HEMA is.

>>2984214
>>2984277
I can make my messer work with sidesword and sabre systems. I can't get sideswords to work as sabres or other way around.
Clearly, messer is best melee weapon.

>>2986101
Been doing the weight thing for about a week now. It's surprising that it already made a bit of a difference.

I have my reservations about looking too deep into manuals and/or tutorials. As a music teacher, I know for a fact that nothing's worse than a new student with too many preconceived notions, even worse if they've already gotten themselves into bad habits/false knowledge.
Therefore I'd rather wait and see what the club has in store, and approach things humbly.

>>2986011
>For example he starts before the opponent is ready, doesn't stop after someone gets hi
Can't you just enforce the rules? Like my newbs do what I say and keep to the safety protocols or they go home early.

>>2986133
>As a music teacher,
Gloves, get some really good gloves to protect your precious fingers!
Also, I.33 has a lot to do with dancing.

>>2986133
Certainly, avoid modern guides and youtube tutorials. Even if you stick to the recognised experts, sword and buckler interpretations tend to be very idiosyncratic. I was recommending the original manuals, even just i.33; some of the guards can feel very awkward and posed if you're not aware of the originals illustrations; equally, if what's being demonstrated looks nothing like what you've seen, maybe look for another club.

>>2986155
fuck me, gloves for sword and buckler. everything's either too bulky or too light. Literally the first instruction in i.33 is to smack him in the hands as well.

>>2986155
>Gloves, get some really good gloves to protect your precious fingers!
Definitely not gonna do anything quick with a partner before getting some gloves, I'm kinda hoping for a lot of solo drills for the first few weeks.

I noticed that me starting HEMA may coincide quite nicely with the Thokk gloves release being inbound. I was thinking that if there are no delays and the reviews are positive, I could go straight to those things, ideally. If they end up sucking or being majorly delayed I'm definitely prioritising protection over mobility, and I'm willing to shell out a load of dosh as a hand injury will probably cost me more than any glove.

>>2986163
I've looked at guards and stuff from I.33, the way they look ("anime", as /hema/ puts it) is part of what drew me to S&B.

>>2986193
>and I'm willing to shell out a load of dosh as a hand injury will probably cost me more than any glove.
Good man. Now S&B is not as hard on hands like other weapons, still you get many hits there, at least the weapon hand needs a good glove. You can skimp on the shield hand thou.

>>2986163
Just looked into the guy who runs the club, and he's been studying I.33 since at least 2003. I hope and assume that's a good sign!

>>2986259
Dieter?

>>2986278
Correct.

>>2986281
Means you are somewhere around Zurich, which begs the question why you are awake and posting on a Korean tentacle secks board at two in the morning. Son you don't take drugs, do you?

>>2986293
Summer holidays, the best part of teaching (and studying, I'm not quite done with that yet)

What are YOU doing at 2AM, and do you have anything to do with HADU?

>>2986309
Korean tentacle secks and no, I just happen to have met Dieter a couple times.

>>2986011
exile him to the dog brothers if he does not change his wicked ways.

>>2986104
He has a background in krav maga, which, as far as I know, tells you to react quickly and heavily in order to save yourself from treats. We told him a martial art works differently but I thinks he's just glad to "win" and he doesn't aknowledge that's just because he's breaking the rules with other newbies.
>>2986145
That's what we did, but it isn't enough. I guess we should have a serious talk with him but I don't know how to handle a serious talk about his behavious to make him actually understand.

>>2986324
Are you in GetC? Is it true they have a fucking brony? A friend of mine told me some hilarious stories about one.


>>2986333
>He has a background in krav maga, which, as far as I know, tells you to react quickly and heavily in order to save yourself from treats. We told him a martial art works differently but I thinks he's just glad to "win" and he doesn't aknowledge that's just because he's breaking the rules with other newbies.

I don't see how he believes he's """"winning"""" if he just keeps swinging after someone (sounds like it's often him) has been hit

I mean frankly I don't see whys anyone who breaks the rules (especially those pertaining to safety) deserves to stick around

>>2986333
>I don't know how to handle a serious talk
Then learn it, it is a required skill for adults. Job, relationship, HEMA, you will need it everywhere.

>>2986011
Make it clear to him that other students in the club will not tolerate his endangerment to their safety. If he disregards or scoffs at this warning, then kick him out.

>>2986011
>>2986333
Tell him to cut that shit out.

You can't "win" when you're doing sparring/drills. You can fight aggressively as a tactic, but he's just using aggression as a substitute to learning the technique.

Not to mention being aggressive with tactics is very risky. You can eat a few punches in order to close the distance. With a sword, you're not going to walk through shots without getting seriously fucked up.

>>2956777
>Historical European Wu Shu

>>2983569
Nice meme crossover.

>>2983929
>Where do I buy stuff if I live in poland?
Really?
You live in the CENTRE of HEMA manufacture and ask that?

>>2986101
>but don't be a dick and punch with the rim.
Ah, the ol' spicy rim job.

>>2986011
Sounds perfect for ACL or BoTN.

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>>2986333
>He has a background in krav maga, which, as far as I know, tells you to react quickly and heavily in order to save yourself from treats. We told him a martial art works differently but I thinks he's just glad to "win" and he doesn't aknowledge that's just because he's breaking the rules with other newbies.

Just do what one of my instructors did to a "bro-MMA-the-Jitts-dude" guy who, despite claiming to be a "ranked fighter", seemed to be incapable of working WITH their drill partner:

Break him.

My instructor (an old Sabeure) waited until the targeted sparring part of the night, paired up with this fellow, and sniped the guys forearm's, thigh's, and stomach until the dude couldn't hold his sword any more, kept flinching and pulling his legs together (at which point our teacher would close, grapple, and gently throw), and was winded from being slapped in the stomach so much he could barely stand straight.

Anyway, he chucked a hissy fit stating we were all "LARP fantasy faggots" learning "Fake bullshit", threw his loaner sabre on the ground and stormed out the door.

After a moments silence our teacher burst out laughing and, in his thick Greek accent, said "What a Jabroni!"

>>2986011
Do what this anon says
>>2987120
And if he doesn't stop, throw him out. Training will be so much better without a moron like that. Make sure to contact other hema groups near you to warn them about that idiot also, that kind of person should not be allowed near a sword

>>2986011
Ah, he wants to actually train with aliveness and pressure test his fighting skills instead of the impractical bullshido your Western McDojo is teaching.

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>>2986193
>the way they look ("anime", as /hema/ puts it) is part of what drew me to S&B.
ya damn right, also it's lots and lots of fun!

>>2987371
>he wants to actually train with aliveness and pressure test his fighting skills
That's fine when sparring in FULL SAFETY GEAR but has absolutely no place in drills or 'slow sparring'.
I was (and in some part still am) a buffalo who fought mostly with strength, going full ultra-violence.
It only needs a single opponent who's technique is excellent and who's accustomed to that aggression and you'll get brutally beaten.

speed > technique >>>> strength, it's a fucking sword, you don't need to swing it like you want to chop down a forest.

>>2987088
Yes, send him over there.

Why am I so angry today? I literally could Zornhau every last one of you, and I kinda like you guys.

>>2989450
>I literally could Zornhau every last one of you
*Twerhaus behind you*
Psssh… Nothin Personnel… Peasant…

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>>2989496
*unzips sword*
*unbuckles buckler*
*langorts dramatically*
Time to show you my... full potential!

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>you will never battle through hoards of orcs

>>2989566
saved

>>2989450
>I literally could Zornhau every last one of you
>Zornhau
Oh watch out we got a peasant over here!

>>2989450
Are you pissed off because you couldn't go to Fight Camp?

>>2989882
>those 2 trolls on the right
>the blob in the middle
>the asian girl(male) on the left
at least the girl with the red skirt actually kinda looks like a girl

>>2989882
>you will never understand why literally 70% of people consistently confuse "hoard" and "horde"

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>>2989882
>mfw this whole scene

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>>2990044
What weird fetish play created whatever the fuck is on her back?

Posting a proper fighting girl.

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>>2989882
Time to put an old meme to use

>>2990056
It looks like the donor area for a skin graft. So based on the shape of the strips, it was probably taken for a phalloplasty.

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>>2989882
>>2990031
red skirt is actually pretty decent looking

>>2990644
are you joking

>>2989566
>Time to show you my... full potential!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjjkHg5FOhk

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>>2990700
are you joking

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>>2990700
nah man I wouldn't kick her out of bed

>>2990736
I'd play stone age with her, thats for sure!

>>2990754
I change that, I rather play battle of Westeros with her.
>two of three Got personality tests rate me as Ramsey Bolton and one as Cersei Lannister

Which of the five cuts do you guys have the most trouble executing properly? And don't just say sheitelhau cause people are stupid and hit your hands instead of defending themselves. I mean which one is the hardest to actually make your body move in the right way for, either in the initial strike or the immediate follow up?

>>2991549
Shielhau. I still don't really understand what is it

>>2991944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSPv5HlY8Q8

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Guy who will start in roughly a week here, have a question about buckler design.

When I look at a lot of bucklers including the apparently commonly used cold steel ones, I always can't help but think that they look pretty ineffective.

My intuition is that the simple, convex shape and smooth surface could enable the enemy weapon to slide off and hit you.
I've seen a lot of alternative buckler designs, ones where the face is actually a bit concave, ones with protrusions to stop weapons, and of course outrageous Talhoffer-esque shapes. Not to mention the very pragmatic looking Targa.
There are also other considerations, for example on wood-faced bucklers, the possibility of a sharp sword biting into the rim and getting somewhat stuck, which would probably play to the buckler-holder's advantage.

These are of course speculations from a guy who hasn't even started yet, but it's something that's been on my mind since I started to gain an interest in S&B. The variation design and possibly effectiveness interests me pretty greatly.

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>>2992676
I guess I should formulate that into an actual question:

Are "plain Jane" bucklers subpar, or are more elaborate ones just gimmicky?

I suppose I have a second question:

Do we even have real surviving examples of bucklers that are Talhoffer levels of crazy looking?

>>2992676
>>2992693
>to slide off
thats the plan, with a buckler you don't hard stop a blade, but deflect it away from your hand/arm
>and hit you
thats not the plan. you'll see.

Also, Herbert Schmidt: Book of the Buckler, for your questions regarding surviving examples

>>2992693
>Do we even have real surviving examples of bucklers that are Talhoffer levels of crazy looking?
Yes, one.
I'll see if I can find it...

>>2992717
>thats not the plan. you'll see.
I dunno if I'm just seeing shitty fencers on Youtube or what, but it seems to happen a bit too often with both synthetics and steel.
>>2992729
Good one. Just saw the review on Youtube, sounds amazing. Sadly it's out of print, but something tells me the guy who runs the club probably has it.

>>2992846
>if I'm just seeing shitty fencers on Youtube
>didn't have a single lesson
>explains how bucklers should work.
Are you Lindy?

>>2990644
>>2990736
woah, looks nice

>>2992894
>Are you Lindy?
How insulting!

It's mostly down to observations when watching tourneyfags at swordfish and stuff, where Cold Steel bucklers seem to be used primarily.
The amount of times the commentators say "slipped off the buckler and hit him!" is disturbingly high.

Then again, I hear a lot about how competitions in HEMA probably don't resemble actual swordplay.

By the way, this video claims that one reason why more complex bucklers aren't in use today is because of safety considerations, i.e. the possibility of catching a blade and somehow breaking it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmDo02rCsrA

Sorry, I'm just overeager right now and can't contain my excitement to start, so all sorts of questions keep popping up in my mind.

>>2992676
Have a few lessons and then we'll talk

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