/mag/ - Martial arts general

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first for the power of nodan

You guys got any recommendations for stretching? Youtube videos of sets of stretches, or dumb yoga apps, or some shit like that?

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>>2921187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeA9Z76deDo

My bjj instructor showed us a leg lock the other day that involved crossing their ankles, squeezing them with both arms and with your outside leg blocking the top of their outside leg and pushing on their stomach with your inside leg. Cannot for the life of me find a similar lock on google, any ideas? Will be a while before I can go back to ask about it further.

>>2921421
What guard are you working from? 50/50? DLR? The Trunk? Single X? your description is hard to imagine .

>>2921421
Ashi Garami?

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>>2921444
Doesn't appear to be.

>>2921441
Having a shit time explaining so I drew a bad picture.

From there you wrap your left arm around their ankles and hold it tight with your right arm, fall back and hip thrust while pushing on them with the right foot to apply pressure.

>>2921142
REEEEEEEEEE
substitute fight tips with funker tactical

>>2921187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIe4x_YqGpA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqihCgonQSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et53uEL1AaM

>>2921853
Oh right, of course also first 10 minutes of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XraReNP_w0g

>>2921187
ALWAYS do dynamic streching before a workout/ training session, ALWAYS do dynamic stretching after.

>>2921853
Worst warm up routines ater no warm up at all.
Katatekas are going full retard with this shit.

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>>2922713
The mandrama faggots really did drive everyone else away.

>>2922735
It's just stretching

>>2922866
This is also a problem: Mixing to much conditipning eith the warm-up.
An efficient warm-up does, in that order:
1. Raise your body temperature
2. Assure that all your body part are well irrigated with blood.
3. Maximize the range of motion of the sollicitated joints.
The first video you posted does all that,but in the wrong order. It is fine when one is young, but will make one injury prone as he/she ages.

>>2923468
You don't need warm-ups if you move every day or two anyway.
The "warm-up" session is just a good excuse to make people stretch and do physical exercise. Sure you should do it at the end of the lesson, but at that point you're tired and won't feel like it. (It wasn't the guy you replied to who posted the videos)

>>2921482
Needs better drawing and/or explanation, but maybe you mean some sort of Texas Cloverleaf?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjkIEOoUUlc

>>2921142
>WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A MARTIAL ARTS GYM:

be unbiased and objective to see anything in the first place
- the coaches Are knowledgeable
- the coaches are able to evaluate students objectively
- the coaches can use their knowledge to solve problems and answer questions logically
- the physical conditioning methods follow scientifically valid facts
- in turn, people get better, people have fun, because of the fact that that's what makes a good gym, not despite the fact.

>>2922737
Move to /fit/

>>2921187

Never, ever, do ballistic stretching.

>warm up muscles with light movement
>warm up joints with light movement
>progressively increase intensity, but don't let the world "intensity" fool you, don't go full on intense
>do dynamic stretching lightly
>increase intensity of dynamic stretching
You're allowed to exercise now.
>cut your exercise in half and do a little dynamic stretching if you're smart before you do the other half
>cool down a little if you're extremely exhausted
>do some dynamic stretching
>do static stretching before fully cooling down

Always get a good night of sleep, and eat healthily, if you want to be a good athlete and practitioner.

>>2922866
Shit dude, last time me I try jiu in my university, we lose 30 minutes in "warm up " , and the class have 60 minutes in total, this shit never occurred when master Helio is alive.

Is it normal to only learn handwork, drills, and footwork in escrima without sparring in the beginning? My teacher has legit credentials, competes, and plans to go back to the philippines to learn more from his master. I've never seen sparring, but everyone tells me there is. Also, are there belts? This is the Doce Pares system if iirc.

>>2923536
Not from what I can see.

You are both on your backs with legs facing each other. Your left leg is under their ankles and over the top of their right knee/thigh. Their right foot sits under your left armpit. Their left leg crosses your body and passes over their own right ankle, also under the armpit. Your arms clasp around both of their ankles and as you sit back to apply pressure their feet pull out of the armpit, ankles crossed. Your right foot sits on the outside, helping provide pressure as you thrust towards the ceiling. It felt like the pain was primarily in the ankle and part of the knee.

That made me wonder something, guys.

What are your conditioning routines? How much time do you spend each class doing exercises? What kind of exercises and routines?

Where I train, the instructor have some kind of boner for jumps. Each class goes for half and hour, and we spend roughly 40 minutes doing conditioning, which on itself isn't bad, but we spend insane amounts of time doing jumps and leg exercises.

As example, we do 30 jumps clapping with our hand high on the air, then 30 jumps with the hands stretched to the front, as when you do the monkey, then 30 jumps switching between our legs on which one goes to the front and which one goes back.

That's one series. We have to do 3 series each class.

Sit down and jump as high as possible. Push up, crouch and jump. Jump to the front, walk back, crouch and jump to the front again. One guy bends, the other jumps over him back and forth. Jump trying to touch the shoulders with the knees. Now jump trying to touch the chest with the knees. Throw this combination and finish with a jumping kick. Throw this other combination and finish with a jumping kick. Jump to the sides, back and forth. Oh, you're late to the class? Go to that corner and do 200 jumps. (That's a literal quote)

Jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump, jump.

I'm fucking tired of jumping. I shit you not, but I counted and we literally jumped in a single class over 500 times through different routines. I think in the time I have been going to this place, I have spend much more time jumping than sparring.

And no, it's not a TKD gym. Is a kickboxing place. Still, I find incredible that my legs can feel like burning and I'm all out of gas, but my arms are still stiff and cold. What's up with that?

Does anyone have similar experiences?

>>2925842
and ponytails

>>2925441
It's bullshit, but it's relatively normal.

>>2925610
Nothing wrong with strong legs for kickboxing, and it helps with Parkour, but it's a bit much for my personal taste.

>>2925650
Nonsense! He should be jumping off at least 50ft buildings at least 14 times a day.

>>2925441
Same principle of the cloverleaf, just less easy do develop force for the submission and way easier to stuff. Might be called double ankle lock, Jason Scully has a '105 leg locks in 9 minutes' video in which I think I saw it.

>>2921142
So why do you guys do your MA/TMA/MMA?
for what purpose did you take it up?

>>2925973
>>2926077
Mm, looks similar to the cloverleaf with the pressure application, but different leg positioning. I suppose in reality it's just a slight variation to make is accessible from another starting position.

>>2923499
Training like this, you are not to train past your 20's. Or you'll be just pretending like so many oldfags, talking about their peak age.
Yes warm up is part of training, train smart,then hard.

>>2926102
Tbh I've had several good leglockers try it on me, and they couldn't pull it off because - if you're somewhat proficient with leg locks yourself - it's quite easy to use the bottom leg and toe/foot movement to divert the pressure to points where it hurts somewhat, but has almost no chance to cause injury You can basically sit there and take it until your opponent gets fed up and releases the hold. Requires some skill and a level head, but much easier to defend than a regular ankle lock/heel hook/clover leaf from the same position.

>>2925610
>Oh, you're late to the class? Go to that corner and do 200 jumps
Oh man I remember when I was a kid and our karate instructor gave us 5 or 10 leaps (one leap was 35~ meters) of feet together, knees bent, arms behind back and doing little jumps forward as punishment for just about anything and they stacked, some guy had to do 40+

>>2925842
The cringe when our head tries to make someone wear it
Fortunately no one does

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I had a heterodox shorin-ryu karate background in the martial arts for about 14 years before going to college snuffed my training. Almost 9 years later I'm interested in getting back into something. In lieu of martial arts, I've been lifting weights according to Mehdi's Stronglifts 5x5 program. I don't stretch, but I always do warmup sets before the main workout.

A few weeks ago I was working on some horses holding their legs flexed to test them for lameness and was advised to do stretches to make that 60-90 second continuous hold of a half ton animal's leg easier on me. I tried doing some of my old karate warmup stretches and that thick rectus abdominus muscle that all of that squatting I've built up felt like it turned into a throbbing, painful stone on my torso.

What do?

>>2926093
>why
Because now it's fun
>for what purpose did you take it up?
Because as a kid I expected it to teach you all the cool things they do in videogames

>>2926093
A lot of people wouldn't be doing a lot of things if it didn't in some way stimulate the reward centers of their brains.

What grapplefucking can i do that is more exciting than BJJ?

>>2926817
Fucking stretch holy shit what did you do to your fucking body

>>2927896
MMA is more fun than just grappling unless you're insecure and only do things you're good at because you can't handle the butthurt of anything else

>>2927896
Wrestling

>>2927896
Actual gay sex with niggers.

>>2927896
No gi jiu jitsu with no guard pulling. It's basically just wrestling with submissions.

>>2929019
the same reason why grappling is more boring if the only thing you can do is double leg takedown and nothing else

>>2929203
So when I see no-gi it doesn't mean BJJ? Because that is good news.

wrestling is legit the most boring martial art to ever exist

>>2930061
>I have ADHD and a low IQ and only understand punchy kicky knockouts

>>2930062
> I am in the closet about my homosexuality
> so I watch men rub themselves against eachother

>>2930100
I'd rather be gay than low-IQ to be quite honest with you.

>>2930061
Tbqh I think BJJ is more boring to watch, and I've been doing it for half a decade.

>>2930062
I don't think a lot of People actually understand punchy kickey knockouts.

>>2930379
i bet

What's a good price for classes?

The cheapest place I've found near me is 100 dollars a month for two sessions a week. And I can go to open mat whenever.

Is that a rip off, or the going price these days?

Place teaches BJJ, wrestling, and kickboxing.

>>2930731
>Place teaches BJJ, wrestling, and kickboxing.
Not a super hybrid martial art finely crafted specifically for UFC domination
Not even worth $00.57

>>2930062
>>2930292
>>2929019

>people who like grappling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lutNECOZFw

>>2930731
I train in a public park. No, seriously. As long as we don't damage public property, we are free to do whatever we want, including sparring. In fact, plenty of parks have spaces to hang punching bags and there are lots of boxing groups.

Anyway, point is, in this place I pay the equivalent to 10 hours of minimal wage for a full month, training 3hr each week, 2 sessions of hour and half each. Now, there's a gym nearby where a former national kickboxing champion... trains or coaches, I'm not sure. They charge the equivalent to 30hr of minimal wage for 3 hr every week. And there was this MMA gym (unfortunately, went out of business recently), which would charge nearly 100hr of minimal wage per month.

I don't live in burgerland, so exact numbers won't help much, but I hope this helps to put in perspective how much is too much.

>>2931112
>implying it isn't both
>what is pugilism and jujitsu (even with its usual problems)
The top teir is mixing though. Strikes to set up grapples, grapples to control the body and let you strike where you want

>>2931112
>>2931350
I will add though actually, that I might give a bit of an edge to grappling, for being less likely to give you something like brain damage, barring something like body shots only.

Best gym in London for no-gi grappling?

>>2931112
Why can't /pol/ stay in /pol/? The wrasselfags shit this place up enough as it is.

>>2931628
>Implying the wrasling faggots aren't also /pol/lacks.

Are you honestly surprised?

>>2931622
bump for answer to this. Lets forget about /pol/ stuff and talk martial arts.

>>2931702
I always say this
Especially on 4chan, what people see as /pol/ growing bigger with outsiders, is actually mainly 4chan converting.
I'd say it's more about the people with an innate belief that the current authority is right, and the ones with an innate belief that it's wrong.
The latter are fewer, but through discussion and facts can convert the former.

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>>2931112
But chinks have their own wrestling too

>>2930731
Place I go is 160 for three months so that's not too bad I guess

>>2931769
yes

>>2931350
>grapples to control the body and let you strike where you want
Or take advantage of your opponent regaining control to set up striking where you want.

>>2931702
>I am sheltered and rarely go outside, therefore the climate of my echo chamber is projected onto general public.

Also nobody serious believed that Trump's win was mathematically impossible halfway into the 2016 election, that's a popular aut-right myth. Clinton had 2-4% predicted favor, which is normally reliable but by no means insurmountable by precedent. The real impossibility was Le Pen vs. Macaron, which the innumerate right tried to say was not certain because le Trump upset.

>>2931950

EVERY human culture has some kind of folk wrestling. Even Koreans who pretty much copied everything else about their martial arts and write kimchi-smeared nationalist propaganda to hide the facts have a legitimate domestic style of distinctively evolved folk wrestling. There's something fundamental about this species urging men to get half or fully naked and hug each other unconscious.

>>2921142
bump

>>2933013
seek sunlight

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>BJJ brown belt visits our club
>tap him in under a minute with signature submission through half guard
>proceed to choke him while in his fully locked triangle
>mfw

>>2933872
Exactly the case, anon, thank you for understanding.
>>2933899
>N-no U
Pathetic.

How do I develop vicious intent for fighting? I feel like I'm not reaching my true potential since I'm holding myself back by being too nice. Sparring partners of a lower skill than me are getting the better of me since I go too easy.

>>2934667
You've got to want it harder. Not saying you have to be mean, determined and stubborn will do.

Does rolling ever stop getting fun? I'm 4 months into BJJ training and it's some of the most fun I've ever had.

>>2934667
Competition.

>>2934667
If you only feel good throwing down, you may be a brawler. Work on keeping a certain pace and crowding into range, don't wait for the others to engage.

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How do you fight an octopus?

>>2931622
>>2931728
Is London Shootfighters any good? It's the only I've heard of, being as I am of Burger.

>>2933959
He must have been terrible or lying about his belt.

>>2936252
He's legit, my coach has known him for years and he has the competition record to back up his belt as well. It's more that I play by 'control over submission' rather than 'position over submission' which catches almost everyone off guard.

The wrasling faggots have been very active today.

>>2936663
Mind to show some of that evidence? I mean, there must be some sort of youtube video or something.

Is nobody here today?

>>2936663
I'm skeptical but weirder things have happened. I echo this >>2937719

>>2934667
Stay calm, and stay focused.

When fighting and sparring, while staying calm and focused, intend to be vicious. If you catch yourself being non-vicious, correct yourself.

Repeat until you're good at it.

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Is this the correct pronunciation for Bob Sapp?
https://youtu.be/1GVDndDUxO8?t=186

>>2935371
>Four months

You haven't doing this long enough for the novelty to wear off.

>>2935371
At blue belt
That's when it becomes a grind, that's when people quit

At blue belt you are no longer frequently learning new things and growing exponentially every time you step on the mat
Meanwhile you are also still getting your shit kicked by everyone else

Blue belt is when you take every thing you learned as a white belt and monotonously rep it to infinity until you are good at it

So I took MMA for a few months before enlisting and loved it. I want to continue learning MA, but due to a few different circumstances i can't afford to continue paying for it. A co worker claims to know a lot about martial arts and is willing to teach me and some other guys for free, more of a study group than actual classes, and due to lack of better options i plan on pursuing it. What are some ways to augment my learning from this study group, and make sure I don't fall for bad teachings? Any book/ video/ whatever recommendations? General advice?

>>2937719
>>2938836
To my surprise I managed to dig up his youtube channel, here's the first vid I stumbled upon. He's on the right.

>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0BXy5NYwWBE

>>2940300
To add: there's no footage of me rolling with him, generally nobody films classes here.

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>>2940316
While I don't think anyone was expecting footage of you rolling around, I do think people were expecting something that proves you actually beat someone who, supposedly, is higher rank.

reminder that gym taps are literally meaningless

>>2925245

>Is it normal to only learn handwork, drills, and footwork in escrima without sparring in the beginning?

That's the traditional way of doing it, yes. Even if you train with the dog brothers they won't let you bash each other's head on on day one. If you can't move your hands properly, if you don't know ehere to move, how do expect to do something advanced?

>I've never seen sparring, but everyone tells me there is.

"Sparring" is somewhat misleading. There is no sparring as in Wrestling or Boxing. But there is "free flow fighting" where you can attack like you want but DON'T try to actually hit the other person, but you are maybe allowed to touch.

And then many styles use rubber weapons and other stuff and do sparring where you are allowed to hit.

Both ways of "sparring" lead to serveral problems. The free flow fighting requires a lot of skill to attack just enough to destroy my opponents defense but not so much to actually hurt him. And the "rubber weapon" fighting leads to a lot of bad habbits, especially for beginners:
-people don't notice that they were hit and keep on bashing in (while their hand would already be broken in reality)
-people don't really know who connected first
-people turn it into a game (similar to point fighting), while you don't automatically drop dead when someone hits you

It's pretty difficult to accurately simulate free weapon fighting. Either you have a shitload of protection or you don't care of bleeding and broken bones every now and then or you have strict rules and so on.


>Also, are there belts? This is the Doce Pares system if iirc.

Filipino martial arts are mostly pretty laid back, no bows and no belts and often not even a "uniform". It's a a street style. But there are many different schools, some pay more attention to "muh heritage" and "muh respect to the teacher" while others do not.

Answer from the last thread:


>>2918998

>I have to ask, in a honest to God way, what exactly puts apart kyokushin conditioning from any other martial art?

I can't answer that question. What puts Muay Thai apart from any other martial art? Ellbows? Krav maga has them. Trips? Judo has them.

It's always about the whole package, about what techniques you train, about which technique you don't train and the most important question: how you train them. That's the main difference between different martial arts styles


>I mean, I trained in a kung fu gym (no, keep reading) that basically was sanda/kickboxing full contact

Good for you.


>we would take turns to hit each other, trying to find the point when the other guy could take it without injury

Oh well, conditioning need time. Really. In my club we do not constantly try to hit each other until the other guy can't take it anymore. Instead you do a little bit punching/kicking as warm up, than maybe a little bit more and then you fight where you get the most "damage". But after some weeks/moths you can stand incredible stuff. The only problem is you need to keep training. If you pause for some weeks you have to put a lot more work into it to get that resistance again.


>the best way to protect from those attacks, either by deflecting or blocking with the stronger parts of the body

The point is you can't always block. And even when you block, you need to be able to withstand a lot of force. Sometimes you can just knock through his defense, if he's not strong enough.

https://youtu.be/ud8hoDuF660

>So, what exactly kyokushin does that's different from this?

His technique is somewhat a middle ground between taking the hit and blocking. He's always moving his leg before the impact. For hardening you don't block, you just plant your foot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUu_un2ERvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmfwsmD3-Vw

>If memes are truth, muay thai guys hit themselves with batons and kick palm trees

>>2943719

(cont.)

>If memes are truth, muay thai guys hit themselves with batons and kick palm trees

What are we talking about? The average thai NakMuay has a short career of maybe 10 years and hundreds of fights where he tries to get enough money to get of the shit and start a new life afterwards or maybe even start as trainer. They train a little bit different than the average american or european Thai guy.

Also Banana trees are not really trees, thery are more like plants. It hurts, but it's not like hitting plain wood (which would only break your leg).

The "hitting with batons" is a thing many styles do, including Boxing and Kyokushin. But it's only a tool, some schools do it, others don't. A good leg kick hurts just as a stick, if not more.
Long story short:

The essence of Kyokushin is willpower. It's not about training "so much harder", it's about constantly getting pushed at your limits. for higher belts you have to do free fight against the belts you want to have, the higher the belt the more opponents/rounds. That's why a Kyokushin black belt is more similar to a "BJJ black belt" as to a "Judo black belt". And on each level you have to constantly prove yourself, mentally and physically. That's why Kyokushin guys are great fighters: they do nothing but fighting, all day, every day.

From a technical point of view, Kyokushin bascially "stole" MuayThai's low kicks and high kicks and adapted them into Karate. It is note worth, that Kyokushin is the only style that ever managed to win against MuaiThai under Muay Thai rules. (To be honest, it was only because the Karateka were also great Judokas and threw the Thai guys until they were fed up. Muay Thai chaned it's rules afterwards and disallowed Judo throws).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StQrF39iTKk

But still, how many styles can say they can play along with MuayThai just fine?

Even if Kyokushin guys fight against "boxing" styles: they get their noses broken, but they keep on fighting.

What do you guys think of UFC gyms? There's one opening around my area. I heard from someone that the people who sign up for those are the people who say "dude i treyn ufc"

>>2943762
Shorin and Goju-ryu karate and choy li fut style king fu. That's about all I've got where I've seen or read about victories against Nak Muay from a Thai kru.. Maybe some European martial art I've never heard of before.

>>2934667
You could record yourself and make notes on when you could be more vicious so it'll help you next time.

>>2944065

This is somehow a difficult comparison. The Karate styles you listed are more MMA-like, they train a lot of takedowns and you can see this in the way they fight. While this makes a style more well-rounded, it also comes at a cost. Mind that the best punchers are boxers, because they can ONLY win with punches. Differnt rules form the way people fight.

As for a comparison with Muay Thai, I wouldn't necessarily say Shorin would get away. Not sure about Goju.

I don't know Shorin, but from what I've seen on YouTube their full-contact is not that great. Too much hopping around, kicks are somehow half-arsed, punches too. Here's a video from the Shorin world tournament (!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7plPS-v-msU

An defender at this level should get pushed out of the ring from some sloppy stabs, apparently he can't deal with the attack.
An attacker at that level should habe enough punching power to immediately send the defender to the ground with his punches if he doesn't block, not shove him out of the ring. Also he misses half of the time.

With Goju I have the same problem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Erxygd7uI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM_5zix-KQQ

To me it looks like they often use their punches/kicks only as a setup to rush in and attempt an takedown. You couldn't pull this off at a Kyokushin slugfest tournament where every punch/kick is meant for the knockdown and you need enourmous defense just to not go down after a few kicks.

It's just too different from the rulset to comapare properly.

As for Choy Li Fut: I trained CLF myself and it's a completely different ballgame than MT or Kyoksuhin. Just think about this:
A Kyo guy trains about 80% Kumite and 20% Kata. A CLF guy would spend 30% learning hand forms, 30% learning weapon forms, 10% appliactions and maybe 10% sparring. THere is nothing wrong with Kung Fu, it's fun and you learn so many weapons..
But it's not centered about full contact competitons like MT or Kyokushin.

>>2934667

>Sparring partners of a lower skill than me are getting the better of me since I go too easy.

That's a good thing.
Why do you want to maul your sparring partners?

Sparring is not for the ego, it's for trying out things and getting better. On competitions you can go all out.

>>2942900
Don't have any unfortunately, it's not something you think of at that moment. It's just that it makes a fun story.

Lower belts tapping higher belts isn't uncommon. If you also take into account that, on top of 5 years of BJJ, I've been doing Judo for 7 years and have successfully competed in powerlifting, it shouldn't be that much of a surprise that I regularly catch higher belts.

>>2943719
>Krav maga has them
Krav Maga is just MMA for the streets. Those are Muay Thai elbows.

>>2944748
What the hell was that chinese guy trying to achieve?

>>2944381

then don't brag about tapping higher belts if it's something that's not a big deal for you to do

>>2945186
>don't talk for fun

What kind of job do you guys have that allows you to train when you want? Do you ever get/have to use your skillzz on the job?

>>2945882
Haha, I don't. I don't even have a permanent residence right now, so I have to be content with conditioning and forms on my off days. I still like to shitpost on /asp/ like some amateur champ, though.

havent rolled in 3 weeks and have done zero cardio in the meantime.

going to be ugly tomorrow

>>2945882
I work in an office, human resources.

Unfortunately, I don't have nearly enough time to train as much as I want, because I have to do some after-hours work, and given the nightmarish traffic in my city, the only time I have to train is on weekends.

Is just using a gable grip to apply pressure in a rear naked choke viable? The usual bicep grip feels very unintuitive to me.

>>2946944
that's the traditional judo method of finishing
and is also the only way I am ever able to actually do it live

tonight I after 2 years of being an uncoordinated fuck up I finally got my blue belt.
someone stole the nice one they got me so they gave me this dusty stained one they found in the storage room and said "it's just symbolic anyway, buy yourself something you like"

what get?

>>2947551
>what get?
I'd stick with the one you've got, it's got character.

>>2945882
I count cards in Blackjack.

I think slamming should be allowed across the board in jiujitsu tournaments
you shouldn't bar people from slamming just because it's inconvenient to bjjs signature style of guard play.
if you can't hold the position, you shouldn't be in that position. The rules shouldn't be in place to make sure the technique works

>>2945186
It was either that or posting 'bump' for the umpteenth time.

Another brown belt visiting today. May have to teach class as well, we'll see.

>>2921142
The fuck happened to this place? Last I was here there was alt sports rather than wrestling in the catalog. Did someone screw up? Was I here in some sort of golden age?

>>2947960
chinese moot said pro wrestling could come here, so instead of having one thread on /sp/ they just autisticly shitpost here completely unchecked because there is no moderation

take a look at the threads, its all just a bunch of samefags role playing

>>2945147
Chinese guy was Thai, Muay thai boxer, he was stomping his feet looking for a teep/front kick and forward pressure hoping to start a punching exchange so he could clinch and do some knees or elbows.

>>2948116
By the looks of it, that didn't work very well...

Any tips for a first timer regarding do's and don'ts at your first session?

Going to book a free session at a highly reputable gym, but quite anxious about it. I've been working on getting /fit/ and am not out of shape btw.

>>2948425
Assume you know nothing, do what you're told, don't muscle, don't flail or spaz.

>>2948425
Hide your power level.
Literally, fap before going into it.

>>2948425
follow instruction. they may fuck with you once or twice but when it comes to the actual training, remain open and receptive to what is being taught.

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>>2946751
good luck.
>>2945882
depends on how your gym works. Some gyms are open 6 am to 23 pm some other only 2 evenings a week...
It depends on you and your gym.
>>2946944
It works even better but it is riskier for your partner safety.
>>2947741
Slams are just too dangerous. Realy. There is a reason why old judokas in Europe and so many people in the us do bjj after their varisity: it is hard on the body.
But we agree, rules about buttscooping, getting lifted by your opponent, and jumping attacks should be modified.
>>2948425
Enjoy the ride.

Why would mcgregor fight under boxing rules, it's mayweather fighting under the unrealistic ones
He clearly doesn't give a shit about losing

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>>2950488
Because both the loud leprechaun and illiterate wifebeater just want a big cashout. Also I think it was mostly boyo implying he could take on boxers. Still, what I'd give to see the stars align and either have laddy knock out "nigga Rocky" or fuck his career and kick the sumbjtch in the face or double leg him.

>>2951198
nobody is interested in this fight, I was told the other day the arena isnt even sold out yet for it

>>2948397
Muay thai is 1 dimensional and weak in MMA any single style is weak. You need to do MMA and be well rounded

>>2948397
>>2952986
>You need to do MMA and be well rounded
This. How many times to people need to get their shit kicked in before they learn?

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>when you start judo a town over and its been a year and you want to start learning about striking so you think about boxing because there's a cheap place nearby but you remember that a judo+jits place opened up in your town
The judo days at the newer place are on the off days and part of me wants to say "fuck the price" and have judo erryday even though I suck. I could also learn about striking from my tkdfriend since I'm probably not autistic enough to be a savant and learn from youtube.

>>2953127
>I'm probably not autistic enough to be a savant and learn from youtube.
It's easier if you're trained and educated about learning by yourself and developing skill by yourself.

Has anyone here trained Sambo? It basically implements everything I want to train into one package which would make it easier on my wallet.

Thinking of training Sambo and BJJ (no-gi), is that a good combination or stupid?

Also is it frowned upon to train at two different gyms? The gym I want to join for the no-gi grappling doesn't have Sambo classes so I'd have to go somewhere else for that.

>>2953766
>Also is it frowned upon to train at two different gyms? The gym I want to join for the no-gi grappling doesn't have Sambo classes so I'd have to go somewhere else for that.
If it's for different sports, I don't see why that'd be a problem.

>>2952986
>>2953075
have you started replying to yourself since people don't take your bait anymore?

>>2953807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yz1CVCq-ig
I kind of understand why you like sambo.

Some fucking ham beast, who claims to be 220 pounds but in reality she must be about 250 in my bjj gym always wants to drill with me, she keeps touching me, gets her face too close to me and not to mention she fucking stinks, we have a white mat and she always leaves a trail of dirt and when the mat gets sweaty, of mud. would've told her to bug the fuck off but she's my mate's sister. Fucking annoying.

>>2953766
there's no choking in sambo becuase it's cheap and unrealistic with gi lapels in play
there's no leg locking or takedowns in bjj because they are pussies

most of the time it's the political world of bjj that will stop you from training other places. Like the 3rd worlders they are, they don't believe in the free exchange of information. if you were to cross train a great majority of bjj places will black list you and good luck ever finding a team to play for. You are a traitor with no loyalty NO HESPECT!

it's more corrupt and cultist than even fake karate masters at times. Ironically if you want to do bjj your best bet is to find a place that doesn't have a brazilian instructor, else you will be subject to the brainwashing of their retarded culture

>wash your brain
>don't wash your clothing
>brazilian logic

>>2954294
I wasn't replying to myself. And it's not bait it's true.

>>2954640
This is stupid


Just go and train in as many gyms as you want, as long as you are paying the monthly fee nobody will give 0 fucks, there's some rich guys in my city who pay fees in like 3 or 4 gyms because they like rolling with different people and nobody makes a big deal out of it.

>>2954665
it isn't true for 2 reasons
#1 MMA isn't a fighting style, its a competition format
#2 being highly specialized is perfectly fine. Well rounded is slang for "not particularly good at anything"

>this entire board is literally /wwe/ minus this, the hems, and skateboarding generals
What the FUCK? I haven't been on in months and it's never been this bad. Where's everyone go?
What the hell hiroshimoot? I'm legit pissed. Worst decision ever made by an image board owner. Are you fucking kidding me? It was slow, yeah but there were fucking topics and huge variety. How does this even make sense? It isn't /alt sports/ it's completely overtaken by ONE alt sport. And it's just watching it at that!!!!!! EVERY OTHER SPORT on this board is about YOU getting off your ass and doing something.

Did someone labotomize hirosh? What a total abortion of logic that fucking was. Moron.

Anyway I'm finally getting back into boxing TODAY wish me luck to stick with it bros. Got the full dream. Rocky gym and all. Big black coach like in Punch Out. He has dreads too.

>>2954704
please get mad during the game threads for the 4cc. our team only has 3 non wrastle memes

>>2954711
Don't worry I will.

LABOTIMIZED CHINAMAN or something I'll spam over

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>>2954572
>tfw all my life, the only girls who have liked me ranged from chubby to fat, and I fucking hate fat people

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>>2954640
>there's no leg locking or takedowns in bjj because they are pussies
Implying no gi bjj isn't bjj...
Impyling ADCC wasn't set up only to showcase bjj both stand up and on the ground...
Wew lad, we got a brand new noob wanna be white belt here.


>most of the time it's the political world of bjj that will stop you from training other places. Like the 3rd worlders they are, they don't believe in the free exchange of information.

You're a gracie nuthugger is it?
>wash your brain
With acid? that's what you did and we can enjoy the laugh now!
>don't wash your clothing
Like you can buy a new brain like a new gi.
Your level of bait is godly and I want this thread up in the first quarter of the catalog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDOln-KHJwk

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I really want to learn the basics of fighting and self defense but I have no idea where to start.
I live in the Las Vegas area and I've been told there are some great BJJ and boxing gyms here, but I don't know what's credible and what's not.
Anyone have any knowledge about the best place to train here? Should I focus on grappling or striking?

Also, I'm a poor college student and I doubt I'd be able to pay $100 a month or more for classes. Is there any hope I could find a decent place that won't rape my wallet?

Hello. I started MMA in November 2016. My gym does a combination of wrestling, bjj, kick boxing and goju ryu karate. The gym itself is less about competition and more about the life way of martial arts, though the head coach and a couple senior students were involved in fights. There are three weekly classes and I also practice in a private session with the coach, meaning 4 weekly hours over all.
I want to compete in MMA, though my coach has told me I am thinking about this too early. I want to hear from people who have competed about their journey, their early training, how much they trained and how, and when they decided to start competing. So if someone here is competing in MMA please share your experience with me. Thanks a bunch.

>>2954672
>#1 MMA isn't a fighting style
Pretty much all decent and higher level MMA fighters have the same if not very similar weapons in their arsenals. They just have other stuff that makes them special that sets them apart.

>>2954797
>Implying no gi bjj isn't bjj...
it isn't

no gi jiujitsu and bjj are different things

>>2954988
in todays climate, the specialist is king

back in the day everyone was specialized but they were ignorant to all other fighting styles, they were only used to fighting people within their own style

then by the 2000s everyone was doing the same shit, rudimentary kickboxing and jiujitsu lockdowns which lead to the boring bullshit gay nuthugging stigma the sport still has today

then the specialists came back on the scene, except this time they brought knowledge with them. They still specialized in their specific fighting style but they also learned and have an understanding of the fighting styles they will encounter, so they have adapted their methods to defeat other styles and not just their own

DJ is the only champ right now that's good at everything, all the others are pure strikers with advanced takedown defense, or wet blanket wrestlers that drag you down and grind you out

I have devised my master plan
I don't think there's any real difference between a purple and brown belt that I can see. So when I get a purple belt I'm going to quit my school, buy a brown belt, and go sign up somewhere else
that should shave off at LEAST 2 years on the way to black belt

>>2956430
>caring about muh bbc belt this much

>>2956439
if you understood the value, you would too.
I don't mean the arbitrary value on feeling like a job well done, I mean the monetary value.

people pay big bucks to train with black belts. They are still a somewhat rare thing

>>2956443
People ask questions on where you used to train and with who, there's a big chance someone will get on to you via pictures or training partners and most likely lynch mob you because that's what happens when the underground forum or reddit bjj finds out.

>>2955780
PRIDE really was the peak of MMA.

Reebok Fighting Championship is boring as fuck in comparison. I hope top fighters start going to Rizin instead of choosing to become a bitch boy to manchild Dana.

>>2956472
well lemme tell ya, I know someone who did it.
he was a FRESH purple belt, was just wearing blue a week before and he left us to get a job working at a certain well known franchise. 9 months later someone from our club saw him in there wearing a brown belt and nobody could verify who exactly gave it to him.

nobody called him out on it though because I guess we are nice or something

>>2955780
Except that's not true.

The king is the one who is well rounded and able to handle a variety of things, but is able to capitalize on the opponent's weakness.
The king learns what to specialize in, how to use it, and when to use it, all during the fight, but also during the research of the opponent before the fight.

>then the specialists came back on the scene
Except they didn't.
The had to be generalists, and then learn how to add their flavoring onto their MMA.

>>2954704
First time back on 4chan (other than pr0n boards) in over a year.

It's a wasteland, and still no one has accepted my challenge.

https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=773001

>>2956713
>and still no one has accepted my challenge.
Thanks for reminding me that I've got one of those.

>tfw anybody from 4chan who's ever messaged me about getting together to engage in some combat never followed through

>>2954811
Maybe. It's going to probably be expensive, but try Drysdale Jiu Jitsu. I've heard it's really good and I think I've run into some of those guys up here.

>>2956716
Same. I was supposed to meet a guy in the park in Richland, WA one time. Drove all of the way up there but never got an email back.

>>2954811
Boxing and judo cost less
>Should I focus on grappling or striking?
If you want "street" go striking, if you want 1 on 1 controlled environment go grappling

>>2954811

>Should I focus on grappling or striking?

You need both, and both can work on the street.
So it doesn't matter where you start..

Grappling is stronger in "1 vs 1" scenarios, but boxing is better in "1 vs many" scenarios.

Personally I would start with boxing, since it's easier to get halfway decent with striking than with grappling. Also the first things that everybody throws are punches. Boxing is not so good for winning against someone, since you have limited options (sometimes you don't want to punch someone in the belly only because he is drunk and aggressive). But Boxing is incredible for not getting punched. You get amazing footwork, super sonic speed movement and strategical thinking. I consider boxing somehow the most fundamental of all martial arts.

After a few month to a year you want to add something like BJJ, Judo or Wrestling. Wrestling is the most aggressive and need god tier muscles and flexibility, BJJ the softest and Judo somehow a middle ground. Personally I'd go with Judo for the streets, but BJJ or Wrestling are also fine.

>>2954811
Krav Maga if It's not a McDojo.

>>2957001
>But Boxing is incredible for not getting punched. You get amazing footwork, super sonic speed movement and strategical thinking. I consider boxing somehow the most fundamental of all martial arts.
Except it doesn't help your punch defense when a tiny, single kick is thrown in there.

>jab
>cross
>hook
Boxing helps defend against that.

>jab
>cross
>roundhouse kick
The Boxer gets blasted because he doesn't know what to do.

>jab
>roundhouse kick
>cross
>front kick
>cross
Boxer gets btfo.

>roundhouse kick
>cross
Gets blasted in the face.

>front kick
>jab
>roudhouse kick
>jab
>cross
You just need to set up your punches with kicks because they don't know what the fuck to do when you kick them.

You can even just
>roundhouse kick
>roundhouse kick
>roundhouse kick
>roundhouse kick

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>>2957484

Oh, c'mon, we know how it follows:

>baiter posts boxer gets kicked.gif
>anon links youtube videos of boxer beating different styles fighters, like tkd, karate and so on
>another anon explains how boxers train speed and footwork to rush into range and beat the opponent before can do anything.
>bait re-posts the same memes and sheer ignorance.
>Do you know how I know you haven't fought a boxer?

>Radio silence.

>Wait for the next thread, rinse, repeat.

But, hey, is nice to have a excuse to bump the thread.

>>2958323
I don't get it

>>2958227

>re-posts the same memes and sheer ignorance
That's exactly what Boxing advocates do.

>>Do you know how I know you haven't fought a boxer?
There's that sheer ignorance and memes again.

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>>2957484
A boxer usually beats someone who mostly knows just knows how to kick (TKD, trad Muay Thai, Kyokushin), but will always lose to someone who has nearly-equivalent boxing with good kicks (international Muay Thai competitors, Dutch kickboxing).

A lot of fighting comes down to what you're worst at, not what you're best at. Someone who defends punches every day in sparring but also kicks will beat someone who defends a few more punches every day in sparring but never gets kicked.

>>2957484

>Except it doesn't help your punch defense when a tiny, single kick is thrown in there.

Ask me how I know you didn't train in a full contact martial art in your entire life. You are talking completely out of your ass. If reality was a computer game where you can always press "b" to defend against the boxing punch and press "r" to spam roundhouse kicks, you would be right. But in reality kicks require much more skill, are much harder to pull off and will always be slower than punches. Boxing is centerd about the fact, that you can punch and move at the same time, in offense and defense. But you can't move and kick at the same time.

Also you have many false conclusions it's not even funny. You imply all the time that I can "jab / cross/ roundhouse kick" while the boxer just stands there. But in reality he is constantly moving, so I have to adjust my attacks the whole time. Also the would probably counter attack, so chances are that the first jab would probably be the last action the attacker does before the KO.

Also I've already posted literally dozens of videos of "roundhouse kicking" guys getting destroyed by boxers. Most of the time when you see "street fights" of a kickboxer or nak muay fights against a boxer, both sides use punches. The boxer can often enforce the distance by his quick and springy footwork. Similar how a good grappler can dictate wether the fight is going to the ground or not.

Last - but not least:
I wrote boxing is a FOUNDATION of fighting. This doesn't mean boxing is the answer to everything. I'm not saying a boxer that also has low kicks and trips in his toolbox isn't a better fighter. All I'm saying is boxing is mandatory for fighting. That's why police and military all over the planet trains boxing. That's why you won't find a single MMA fighter that didn't train in boxing. That's why most Muay Thai gyms have seperate boxing lessons or at least training lessons without kicks every now and then.


>>2960339

This guy gets it.

>>2960566
The first time I added kicks to my boxing sparring both my sparring partner and my connect percentage went to near 0%. It seems like the best way to get better at boxing is really to just box, kicks add too much complexity when you're still learning the basics.

>>2958227

I'm genuinely asking myself if the other anon is simply trolling or really doesn´t know anything about boxing. Or maybe he hates it because he trains some crap and got beaten up by a boxer? I guess we will never know..

>>2960576

For me it was the other way arround. I started with a "kicking centered" style. And it's really hard to get someone who doesn't want to play the kick game, because you can't counter and the other guy will just move out of your way. Basically you have to catch someone off guard or set up your kick.

Personally I think the best way to use kicks is as surprise moves or as finishers, like they do it in dutch kickboxing. But this requires an emphasis in punching, you need to be able to really put the guy under pressure and if you suddenly front kick him in the belly or face or end with a flying knee/ellbow, that's amazing. But the emphasis is still on boxing.

What was Bas Rutten (a Kyokushin guy) famous for? His liver shot.
GSP also had his brawling abilities from Kyokushin, but he was winning with his fists most of the time.
Remeber how Ronda Rousey lost to Holly Holm? Holm is an amazing kicker, versatile and powerful. And yet she decided to not spam kicks until the very last moment when she catched Rousey off guard.

>>2956716
>>2956713
>Absolutely nobody from my country signed on this.
>Just in my city, through an one hour trip, I can count literal dozen gyms training all kind of martial arts.

I'm not sure if I should be depressed or what.

So first time going to gym for training. How do I make sure I'm not walked all over without coming across as an egotistical/insecure douchebag?

I want to be as respectful as possible but not so beta that people take advantage of it.

>>2961797
Just get take the beating with a smile - unless they're purposely hurting you - and don't give up.

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>>2955641
Only in your retarded mind. Rules don't change the art.

>>2962073
They objectively do. The only observable difference between judo and bjj is the rules.
Aside from the rules in competition dictating the focus of training, they are the same exact art

>>2960566
>Ask me how I know you didn't train in a full contact martial art in your entire life
it's hard to take you seriously when you're acting this stupid.

>you have many false conclusions
>you imply
This is just you being stupid and misinterpreting my post.

Maybe you should take some time to calm down that butthurt, and try again, or maybe talking to strangers on the internet is just too stressful for you, and you should try other hobbies.

>>2961797

with all due respect, this is an incredibly bizarre attitude to have when you're starting a brand new hobby where you are guaranteed to be objectively the worst person in the room for quite a while

and if you're actually worried about appearing "beta" to your training partners, it sounds like you're one of the douches who starts martial arts for the wrong reasons

How do you guys feel about hapkido?

>>2963041
In its early days it was a rather progressive and eclectic marital art that tried to learn something from its contemporary peers. Teaching and quality of instruction is, however, widely and wildly variable. At best there's little you can learn at most hapkido dojang because MMA gyms and cross-training aware TMA clubs will integrate the techniques better whereas hapkido tends to just throw everything together hoping it will blend. They have a gorillion moves but don't always show how to integrate them well.

Additionally, it has the common affliction to all Korean martial arts of drowning in the kimchi jar of nationalistic propaganda. They seem to be the type of places that will train locks and throws with more resistance than the typical aikido dojo but then turn around and claim you can spinning hook kick the gun or knife out of a mugger's grip. Or they'll teach a decent improvised weapons course in a pinch but only after having you listen to an anecdote on Korea's 8,000 years of inventing kung fu weapons before the evil Japanese wiped out all of their history in just thirty years.

>>2963468
I don't really mind the propaganda. It's a bit amusing to me. Is it good for self defense, or would I be better off learning a different martial art?

Strained my neck holding against a triangle last night. Woke up with a sharp pain whenever I put my ear to my left shoulder. No restriction in movement and no pain outside of that movement. Haven't hurt my neck before. Recovery advice?

>>2963490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOcl7JVJsh0
I'd say it's good for self-defense at least, but in my opinion that's not a very high bar to pass. Self-defense scenarios are highly unpredictable and multifaceted despite what the most diehard MMAutists insist to the contrary. I've seen and read anecdotes about shit like ATA style taekwondo users protecting themselves from armed attackers and competitive Nak Muay getting stabbed in the kidneys trying to neutralize assailants. Really, if you train your body and spar some without prearranged patterns and non-compliant partners almost any martial art will help you there even if it doesn't work in sports and even if it makes some goofy boasts.

Unless it's some obvious complete bullshit like video related, it will help you against 90% of troublemakers. A lot of it is just psychological conditioning. Successful criminals are like successful animal predators: They hone in on the sick, weak, and vulnerable by interpreting the unspoken and intuitive body language that signals most human communication. The ones who attack practicing martial artists will usually be the retards who don't know what they're doing and won't be able to take a punch.

Thing is that most Asian TMAs, even more modern ones like hapkido, take a very procedural and long-term approach to instruction. If at heart you just want to learn how to protect your face and knock out a thug, I recommend learning to box. I say this as karateka because boxing is an efficient course in the basics of fighting. If you just like Asian martial arts, though, and think you'd have more fun spending your time and money doing hapkido, I don't think it's wrong. The chances that you're going to get flattened by the mythical video game mook come alive that people who take bullshido posts as gospel imagine ("But what if the nigger knows BJJ/Catch-as-Can/Savate") are less likely to ask for you lunch money than you are to kill yourself in the bathtub.

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>>2963633

>>2963633
Welcome to a life of progressively degrading spinal health and chronic hair trigger blow outs. We hope you enjoy your stay

>>2963633
Keep stretching it the way it doesn't want to be stretched, in the shower while under the hot water is a good place. It will get better, I've had that one a billion times.

Also, if you notice tingling in your fingertips in either arm, DO NOT FUCKING TRAIN! But if not, you're good. You're probably good

>>2963705
Good idea. I'll grab some tennis balls next time I'm at the shops.

>>2963813
I've been slowly stretching it today at work and it's gone from quite painful to a bit duller. No tingling at all, cheers. It's Saturday evening now, do you think I could train Monday night safetly?

>>2963946
Sure. No tingling means (probably) no bulging disc. Go ahead and train Monday, just don't try to gut out any chokes or cranks

>>2963954
Great, thanks. Might take it easy for the week and just tap early on neck pressure. The main killer normally is when guys who are a lot bigger then me get me in awkward angles and have their weight on. Didn't expect the injury from a stock standard triangle.

>>2963964
My worst neck injury was from drilling arm triangles with a D1 All-American heavyweight wrestler. Drilling. I lay down on my back and gave him mount. He wrapped his arms around my neck and squeezed so hard it popped 4 times.

>>2963974
Fucking hell. I thought watching one bloke have two ribs broken because a heavy dude slammed ontop of him was bad. I tend to gravitate away from people with a lot of weight on me because I'm not good enough to outright prevent being trapped under mount or side control, but being 65kgs doesn't leave me with a lot of partners if I stick to it strictly. When somebody who weighs literally twice my weight sits on my chest I don't have the energy to do anything to mount a defence and just have to focus on giving myself enough room for my lungs to expand.

Anyone here competed in MMA? How is it like?

Is Wing Chun a meme? I have a friend who says he's the equivalent of 'black belt level', but when he shows me stuff it just looks like autistic flaying.

He also does that thing where he goes 'okay try to punch me, no not that way, punch towards here' then does his move.

Not very impressed.

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What do people think of cross training in Sambo and no-gi grappling?

>>2962210
Techniques are the same, for some parts. But what is important is the curriculom,i.e. what do you teach,when and how. Best sample of this: atemis in bjj and judo.

>>2964320
Sure, sounds good.

>>2964312
Some of the stuff they teach does work and is done in other fighting styles, but they usually don't train it effectively so it's application is limited.

>>2927896

Judo, big slams, "safe return to the mat" is a meme, and your ground work background from bjj is fun too.

Bonus points for freestyle judo, which is just submission grappling that focuses on big throws.

>>2964320
>wrestling in jumpers

butwhy.mp4

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Video related is me at training today. yes i puked.

i could kick ANY of your faggot asses

>>2964896
You are slow and drop your hands, and not fight with your hands down in the intentional way, but I mean drop them and leave yourself open because you're not technically sound. This also contributes to how slow you are since your arm is traveling at a larger arch to reset instead of slipping back into positon ad quickly as it went out, additionally it's causing you to have a telegraphed wind up, and if you are winding up for straight punches that's a whole other issue in itself

Footwork is a disaster too, you're flat footed which is fine except your bouncing and not digging in, and your bouncing isn't coupled with head movement so you're just wasting energy since it's not adding any lateral mobility. All I'm seeing is a lot of little micro adjustments which shouldn't be necessary against a partner who isn't moving away from you, it shows me a lack of understanding with your own distancing that you have to keep adjusting like that. It's reflected in how your punches connect, the first combo you are reaching a bit, the second you are jammed up too close.

Not the worst I've seen, but I would be pretty confident in a match against you

>>2964599
it's a gi. Sambo was developed out of Judo as a self-defence system for the Soviet military.

>>2964948

Seconding this one. You have some muscles, but you will never become a good puncher if you don't use kinetic linking and only pounch with your arm strength..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyui7L_R0FE

After your punch, the defense should immediately be back up again (if you are a pro, things are different, but you are obiously a beginner).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY9po0amDtg

The defense is one thing, but that footwork is also terrible. You need crisp steps, not pulling your feet after you on the ground. Also work on the timing, steping and punching have to work together. When you go foreward, the punch lands at the same time as your feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tTfUCuUFd0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrIGZRlKgpY

Last but not least you are way too stuff and static. Even if you are a power puncher you need to be smooth and agile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaQNTEABsqM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMEf9xnfmRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5TLCfCBcb4

Why can't you make three separate threads about martial arts
1) Martial Arts Wrestling/Grappling (freestyle, greco-roman, catch, sambo, judo, BJJ, belt wrestling, grappling, etc)
2) Martial Arts Striking (boxing, kickboxing, kyokushin karate, muay thai, sanda/sanshou, etc)
3) Martial Arts General (mcdojo, traditional martial arts vs modern combat sports, krav maga and self-defence, weapon usage, etc)
I see that WWE faggots squeezed your balls very tightly, guys.

>>2965310
Because the rate of creation on their shit post meme threads.
This board is pretty interesting in how high the thread creation rate is compared to reply activity.
What some autists do is make threads great have nothing to do with anything but to try and force a meme, it gets 3-6 replies usually samefagging, then 404s

But they are pumping out new threads so frequently that if you don't keep bumping this it will get swept away. There isn't discussion happening fast enough to survive more than one thread

>>2965310
We already tried that. We don't have the numbers to keep all those threads alive when the resident autists go on a rampage and spam the board. If the jannies or mods were to give a shit, then maybe, just maybe we'll have a better chance.

But as far as now, the only non-retarded anons willing to come here can only sustain a few non wrasling threads.

>>2965611
>>2965615
I see, I was here a couple of years ago and it was a much better place. Maybe only strict generalisation can save this board (like /vg/): WWE promotion General; Some other promotion\country General; Fap-thread with female wrestlers General; Thread for faggots with male wrestlers General, etc. Only then there will be place for normal kinds of sport. And stringent banning the shitposters, yes.

>>2965611
>This board is pretty interesting in how high the thread creation rate is compared to reply activity.
>What some autists do is make threads great have nothing to do with anything but to try and force a meme, it gets 3-6 replies usually samefagging, then 404s
Fun fact: my autism caused me to repeatedly compare the thread creation/response ratio between various boards here. Suffice to say /asp/ was one of the very few boards to beat /b/.

I don't understand why there isn't a separate wrestling board at this point. Any thread about actual alternative sports gets immediately lost in the millions of wrestling threads.

Mods should just man up and make a dedicated wrestling board as there is clearly an audience.

>>2964123
A lot of folk who did martial arts like wrestling, judo, taekwondo, and boxing, and then learned some other stuff to compensate for their specialization. It's really basic and everybody's weaknesses are obvious. Not to mention how a lot of guys lose their cool and don't pace themselves. They get all animalistic and you see a lot of training go out the window.

>>2943762
Karate and Muay Thai share a common ancestor in Muay Boran. It simply isn't as commonly acknowledged because the petite sinism in that part of the world means that for centuries if anything could be attributed to China it would since Chinese culture was regarded as the end all be all of high class.

http://www.karatebyjesse.com/siam-discovering-karates-forgotten-source-pt-1/

>>2944351
I didn't mean to portray it in terms of style vs. style power rankings, but those are the only Eastern TMA I've heard/seen defeat Nak Muay. You're absolutely right about the differences in rules and conditioning playing a role and it's always possible that the defeated Thai boxers were kinda crappy. I agree to usually put money on the Nak Muay just because the whole point of Muay Thai is to train for competitive fighting. Contrast it with the progenitor art of Muay Boran where the traditional places still have forms.

My thoughts were largely anecdotal. In shorin-ryu, I've seen newspaper clippings of my honbu elder teacher over in Okinawa beating Thai boxers in an open competition where any arts were welcome. I assume it was Muay Thai rules since it took place in Thailand, but it may not have been so. For my part, I won a friendly sparring match against a guy who claimed to be "all about" MT but it's not a very good example since my shorin-ryu training was highly eclectic and my opponent was a Western white guy who trained at an MMA gym, which suggests to me he learned "Thai striking" and probably didn't do what they'd do at a kru. Again, though, it all goes back to how the fighters are conditioned. Most TMA clubs and dojo just don't spend as much time hard sparring or intensely conditioning themselves as somebody staking his livelihood on prize fighting. I don't necessarily think one needs to if the goal is just self-defense, but it won't prepare anybody for MMA or boxing brands.

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I've been seeing more calf kicks utilized in MMA.

How do they differ from a standard leg kick?

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>>2966689
>Anon

>>2964896
Not to bad, you'll get better through practice. Do you spar? If so, name some names so I can look them up

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>>2966716

>>2964896
Do you actually get to take classes with Adolfo Lozano? That doesn't look like him in the video.

>>2966716
>>2966722
So how do you check them?

Fighters seem to be able to handle the traditional thigh shot.

>tfw no one really makes "look at this cool judo shit" videos anymore and its usually jujistsu
>back whenever the AoM hipsters did a bunch of jits vids, and the rogue chucklefucks have started too
Sure, I get bjj is big with normalfags, but this shits too fun to not want other people to know. Besides, I woulda thought those aom guys had a big enough boner for T.Roosevelt that they'd do judo but naw. Not that it matters, same art, different sports and rules, just fun to rant.

>>2966746
I would imagine you would just lift and relax the lower part of your leg. I once sparred a kung fu guy who threw a bunch of those and it seemed to work. It still bruised the shit out of my shins

>>2966138
You will be surprised, but on russian main imageboard 2ch they have a separate wrestling board, and even there they make General threads and have certain order.

>>2966306

The whole point of Muay Boran being so different is not so much the forms, but more the usage of weapons. And with weapons you naturally have different techniques (i.e. disarms, different blocks and so on).

It's basically the same story with Karate: In old school Karate you have a huge bunch of weapons (just google "Karate weapons"), and even in Kyokushin which has arguably the biggest focus on competition and sparing you still find forms which come from a weapon background.


As for the rest, you are of course right: if you train as hard as a Thai boxer and do as much sparring as a Thai boxer you can beat them. I guess you could even make Aikido or Krav Maga work for MMA, if you could find enough sparring partners willing to put enough free sparring time in it.


But this discussion "can style x beat stlye y" is pretty pointless. It's great that today we can chose that we want to train for competitions or for self defense or whatever. In my opinion every martial artist should at least have a few tournaments in something full contact related his life, so he knows what he is talking about. But following the tournament rout means you have to put in a lot of dedication and focus only on the movements that are feasible under a certain ruleset. We must not forget it's only a tiny part of what is theoretically doable in a fight, and there is no harm in learning some weapon fighting because it is fun and closer to the reality of our forefathers.


>>2966689
>>2966716

Well, it's basically the "brutal version" of a sweep. I think those as more surprise moves. You don't spam them like mad, but it's a fun variation. I've mostly seen it as combination:
You do one/two normal kicks (to the muscle) and then the next time you suddenly target the joint. But I'd say it's more easy to fuck up somebody's joints if you go full force here, and personally I don't like those.

>>2965775
Mods tried to delete superficial wwe threads, but they just make new ones. They pretty much use the catalog as one big thread, those niggers.

>>2966138
>I don't understand why there isn't a separate wrestling board
Because Hiro doesn't give a shit

>>2965775
>>2966138

Pro tip: different jannies and mods have different views on how to enforce rules, therefore if a thread doesn't get deleted now, it doesn't mean is kosher and won't be deleted later, so keep reporting, anons.

[Background explanation ahead]
When a report is made, it goes into a queue and the jannies look at each report, then clear it or delete the offender thread, and optionally can ask for a ban to the mods. Once a thread is cleared from the queue, the anons can report it again. If the anon try to report the same thread before is cleared, he'll get a "you have already reported this" message.

Now, here's the important part: Looking at the reports and dates, I have noticed the janitors rarely if ever deletes anything. That doesn't mean the reports are wrong. I have tried reporting the exact same threads, and during the nights, the large majority of they get deleted.

From the looks of it, from 13:00 UTC to 23:00 UTC, the janitors rarely enforce the rules, and let a ton of shit unattended. At the end of their shift, they clear the report queue, without deleting offending threads. Whether the local janitor is part of the wrasling faggots or not, is something I'm not sure of, although it would explain a lot.

However, after the 00:00 UTC, there's a new batch of janitors who will pay attention and delete all the shit the previous janitors don't pay attention.

TL,DR: Report all the shit on the board. After a few hours, try reporting again the same threads. The american day janitors are less likely to delete shit, but the overnight jannies are less retarded, or are more likely to go through power abuse rampages. Either case, it works to clean the board.

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how do ya feel about then and now memes?

>>2966758
Sambo videos are cool as fuck. Mad suplexes and throws and brutal leg-locks galore.

>>2968028
post sambo vids

>>2966758

Are you that insecure?
Judo and Sambo gets posted here a lot.

Instead of ranting you could simply enjoy the Jits and try to add the stuff into your Judo toolbox..


>>2967789

Just forget it.
/asp/ is dead as the dodo.

Just about everybody told hiro that his decision was a huge mistake. /mag/ people begged him to reconsider be he just didn't give a flying fuck. Wrestling people wanted a seperate board so much, they openly said that they would spam this board to death if they didn't get their own board. But that's not how things turned out. Shikata ga nai.

So no, I'm not gonna be a good citizen and report stupid wrestling threads, because in my opinion every wrestling thread on /asp/ is one too much.

We officially lost the war with /mag/ being the Indian reservation. It's inhabitants are sad old people that drink too much and every now and then talk about the golden days of the past when things were good. Leave us alone.

>>2968581
It wasn't raging senpai, and didn't mean these threads, just fun to have childish rants, since this place needs all the posts it can get. Some of you fags are so uptight about posts, not that I blame you since our resident shitposters are so insistent when they show up.

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>tfw became the first person to throw the gym beast in years

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>>2968889
>tfw gym beast has been slain by an 11th degree black belt and it turned out the cave it was guarding has creatures far worse

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>>2944351
>mfw used to train full contact choy lee fut for 3 years

At the place where I was training, we would spend like the last 15-20 minutes sparring. Considering each session was only one hour long, that's like 30% of the time doing full contact sparring. If we take into consideration we also spend a lot of time practising combinations and techniques, nearly half of the time we were doing different forms of sparring.

As for weapons... that was like 10 minutes every other month. Actually, the only weapon we trained was the long staff, none of those exotic chinese weapons, like broad swords and such. We spend more time doing bare hands forms, although it was still like 10 minutes every other class.

However, we spend like 10-15 minutes doing stances, and between 20 to 25 minutes conditioning. I kinda miss training there.

>>2969561

Every school/teacher is different, but when I think about how many different forms there are in CLF..
Also the longstaff is the foundation, but after about at least two years you should start with other weapons. That's the whole point of Kung Fu, to learn all those different weapons:
Longstaff, Spear, Broadsword, Double Broadsword, Halberd and eventually 3-section staff and steel whip - those are the "standard syllabus" in many Kung Fu styles. Choy Lay Fut is even more weapon-centric with fancy shit like Double Hookswords, Meteor Hammer, Fan, Trident, Axe, Bench (!), Crescent Moon Style Shovel and what not..

Personally I never made it this far, I trained for about two years and got a couple of hand forms, one long staff and one Broadsword form down. It was definately not the most useful art for "everyday street fighting", but training was a lot of fun there.

I live in Blacktown, western Sydney. Are there any good dojos nearby? As long as it's not tkd and not dodgy, I don't care. I'm willing to travel.

Can someone please advise? Many thanks.

>>2970465
You're probably better off searching [spoiler]reddit[/spoiler] for answers to this question.

/mag/ is slow on the best of days and that's quite a specific question that you probably won't get an answer to unless you luck out and an Aussie who lives in a similar area decides to pop in.

I'm 28 and out of shape. I never did sports as a kid.

Am I too old to start learning BJJ? Should I take a year to get as fit as possible (weightlifting, HIIT) and then try?

>>2972069

No, people start in their 40s every day.

Nothing will get you into BJJ shape like BJJ. And BJJ is way more fun than that other stuff. You're not planning to win White Belt worlds in your first year, so being "as fit as possible" won't make a difference, and you'll just be wasting a year of good training.

No one is too out of shape for BJJ: just pace yourself as you start out, and don't be frustrated if you can't keep up with the rest of the class. That's fine. Everyone starts somewhere.

Just join and have fun!

>>2972069
I know this guy steve, steve is very fat
steve knows I go to jiujitsu class all the time and always asks about it
I keep telling steve, if you are interested then come take a few classes and see if you like it, everybody is nice and they dont start charging you unless you become a regular face there

steve says he wants to get in shape before he goes, so once he gets below 200 pounds he's definitely signing up

steve has been saying this for 2 years
dont be a steve

>>2972069
>Should I take a year to get as fit as possible (weightlifting, HIIT) and then try?
Do bodyweight and cardio for a week or two, so you don't associate all of the unpleasant shocking pain and exhaustion with the BJJ and then not like BJJ as much.

>>2972069
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Does anyone have the video of two CMA masters sparring and then they start fighting like elementary school students and it ends up on the ground?

>>2974969
why would 2 CMA masters go to the ground? wouldn't there friends stomp on them if they did?

>>2974974
that happens when someone is decisively winning

don't go to the ground in street fights kids, it's not worth the risk

>>2974969
That's all of them, unless there is a referee to stand them back up

Is a rowing machine helpful in helping develop punching power?

>>2975316
extensions are what you need, gotta work that tricep

>>2974990
Or do it decisively

https://youtu.be/P3SktSgFRPI

>>2975316
>>2975453
You're both wrong. The key is strong glutes and obliques. Do side twists, dead lifts, and boxer sit ups with a medicine ball

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Hey /mag/, beginner here. I was wondering if it is feasible to train in more than two martial arts at the same time? provided you have a LOT of free time and proper dedication

>>2944356
Of course I don't want to maul my sparring partners since they're the ones that are helping me improve. I've managed to improve my sparring by having intent to actually land my techniques straight on instead of pulling my punches. I don't know where I heard this from but it stuck with me good:

"There are no 'nice' guys in boxing, the whole purpose of the sport is to hurt the other person bad. Every boxer has some sort of fucked up characteristic to them which makes them the fighters they are today. That's why they fight, in order to let off steam."

>>2975599
theres nothing wrong with tossing a nigga, but its a bad idea to follow them down

>>2960626
Bas was a Kyokushin guy? Swear i heard that he was a thai boxing guy

>>2976553
The best kind of pulling punches is just not following through. That's an important skill because outside of sparring it is how you gain speed. Really good strikers can turn their power on and off which allows them to do things like land a flurry of fast punches followed by a full power hook to the body.

Nieky Holzken is a really good example of this technique

>>2976454
Of course it is. I do MMA and I train in 4. I don't know what the point is if you're not doing MMA though, but if you want you can.

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>live in Europe
>about to teach BJJ class this morning
>some unknown big guy from US attends class
>turns out it's this fellow
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Josh-Bennett-6236
>have him teach class instead

Turns out his favoured top game which he taught is what I've been working on for a year. Jackpot, I'd say.

As an aggressive striker I like to dive head first into battles and end them as soon as possible

The WORST thing my opponent can do to fuck me up is move back defensively. I hate it. You can't hit anyone who moves backwards.

I've adopted to chasing them down into a clinch to hold them steady and hit them from inside that clinch. It's an altered form wrestling that includes the creations of openings to land strikes.

Just some advice to any fellow strikers out there.

I can't get down BJJ or anything. Firstly because in a self defense situation taking a fight to the floor is redundant and secondly because it's far too technical and takes time to master, unlike striking / wrestling.

>>2977973
As a counter-striker, I like to pace my fights, so it's easier to isolate and identify the right moments to counter.
However, I do like to mix up my levels of aggression; defense at the right moments, and offense at the right moments, that sort of thing.
I've adopted to using explosive footwork and timing to use distance and rang to my advantage and hit them.

>striking / wrestling is not technical and doesn't take time to master
kek

>>2978034
We may be arch rivals but do you think taunting me is a good idea? I would lay you out 1st round buddy. Counter-striker is code for lazy-fighter and ofcourse you wont be able to handle the furnace I pull you into, boy.

>>2977973
>>2978034
>>2978057
as someone who is good at fighting I don't limit myself to a set style, and instead adapt to exploit the weaknesses of my opponent by forcing out fighters to brawl in the pocket and in fighters to chase and tire out

>>2977921
>11/14
Why do fatties who compete pro don't cut? This dude could have probably made a way better career if he was even ten kilos down.
Anyway sounds awesome Anon

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an interesting thought comes to mind, I will use the gracies as an example even though many people are guilty of this however they are the most abhorrent and well known perpetrators.

They carlos and helio only trained with maeda for about two years, and by all accounts helio was an abysmal fighter because he was sick all the time. neither one of them were even promoted to black belt.
then they decided to fuck off, open their own school teaching the stuff they didn't even have a complete knowledge of, award themselves 10th dan red belts and have legions of people call them grand masters.

so basically what I'm getting at is at what point am I allowed to just promote myself to grand master and insist people refer to me as such?

>>2979641
Martial arts studios aren't regulated much (if at all) as an industry. If you wanted to start your own Rex Kwan Do or Ameridote style fantasy martial art and cross-train Mishima Style Fighting Karate, then your marks just have to accept caveat emptor. Anybody can open a place and make themselves o-sensei of bullshido, which is why the McDojo problem got so wildly out of hand up until like the mid 00s and internet scrutiny.

I wouldn't recommend pretending to be a BJJ 15th dan, though. As hypocritical as it sounds, some of these fuckers get madder at fake BJJ black belts than ex-military get over "stolen valor", and their internet community is especially sensitive because after decades of mocking anything not MMA-approved as McDojoism/Bullshido, nobody wants to admit to increasing fraud in places teaching shit like BJJ and MT.

>>2979998
having been kickboxing for 12 years and doing sambo almost daily for the past 2, and I've even competed and medaled in bjj competitions and have shot like 6 different kinds of guns, I consider myself a black belt level something or other.
so I'm going to award one to myself. it's not my fault I don't do things that use a belt system, and it's not my fault a belt is the only way people will take you seriously. I'm the victim here, so nobody should be getting mad at me for wearing a black belt (which I deserve more than a lot of people who are awarded them to be honest) and a bjj gi (since I like the cut of them the best)

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A question: can I become a good boxer if I only have access to a muay thai mcdojo?

I've been going for 3 months now. Can't do muay thai shit because my knee hurts. My idea would be to train only boxing but I would like to compete in the future and that's the problem. I feel like no matter how much I study technique and how good I develop my cardio I'll never be a decent boxer because I have zero good partners to spar. Is good sparring a must if I have competing in mind?

Should I give up right now and choose a sport (like running or swimming) where I don't need good contenders to keep improving my skills?

>>2979641
Don't forget the UFC was basically the Gracie advertisement division as well.

>>2980559
why not go to a boxing gym? Also yes you will never be able to compete without sparring

>>2980947

Fine, I've confirmed my suspect.

Problem is I'm not from USA and we don't have a boxing tradition in my country... so only a few gyms in the biggest cities in the country but I live in a very small city. On the other hand a lot of muay thai mcdojos popped up everywhere due to the popularity of UFC.

I've been thinking a lot about sports recently and I feel like fighting and racket sports are very partner dependent so you will ever be as good as yours partners/opponents. So living in the middle of nowhere = no opponents = impossible to become good at these sports.

I'll try to get into swimming and dedicate my time to running. These race type sports are easily to train for in my opnion. I partner can help but i believe it isn't a must.

>>2981022

My initial idea was going to a muai thay mcdojo and train only punches. I would work on speed/endurance and technique/shadowboxing. The gym in my is clearly cardio oriented and the main objective of any other "student" is to lose weight or practicing exercise for wellness.
I could try to schedule sparring with the teacher like twice a week but I still see a big problem here -- I would be forever limited to a single sparring partner and, probably, a bad one. The guy is much heavier than me and fights in another style.
So I would invest a lot of time and money to become good at fighting 180 lbs heavy punching thay fighters but I wish to compete against point scoring boxers of >130 lbs so the whole thing seems a waste of time and money. Probably my sparring sessions won't transition well to fighting against a fast, light weight boxer.

>>2977261
I watched a glory fight of that guy you mentioned and he's pretty good. He was fighting this Italian guy and it was a good scrap. On the same note about pulling punches, Vasyl Lomachenko is a good example of this. He peppers opponents with light punches in order to obscure their guard and to set up devastating power shots to the body or through a guard pull down.

Anyone has a partner they train with outside the gym? I wish I had one, but non of the guys in my gym are interested.

>>2979998
You know?

This made me wonder, at what point can we call something a "true" style? I mean, kickboxing originally was a championship format trying differentiate itself from others competitive fighting sports like TKD or plain boxing. However, it have evolved and nowadays I would say kickboxing is a style on its own, because the students can stand up to nearly any other striking style (granted they come from a legit place and not a mcdojo), but no other style would award a black belt to them because they don't train a lot of techniques TMA includes, like katas and such.

And, on the other end of the spectrum, there are so many ways the human body can punch and kick effectively, so adding a couple flashy jumps and choreographies shouldn't be enough to fund a new style based only on straight punches and frontal kicks.

Found this small place close to where I live, run by a guy who has fought two professional fights (a card of which Jon Jones had his professional debut). It doesn't train a specific style; "Stand-Up" and "Ground" with open gym sessions beforehand. From the videos they have uploaded, the sparring looks pretty good. I'm just not entirely sure what to get for equipment. Hate to namebrand drop, but what do yall think of venum?

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>>2982819

Most of the time it's just a matter of geographic and historic isolation or some grossly minor technical variation that only lifetime experts, pedantic hobbyists, or autists can identify. Kind of like how some Christian denominations differ only in how they do a baptism. There are 5 or 6 main schools of shorin-ryu karate, itself largely derived from Okinawan shuri-te, that claim to have different philosophies and theories but are mostly just separated by which family started a successful dojo and managed financial survival. I can't tell the difference between shorinkan and seibukan Passai kata after 23 years and both spar like kickboxers at dan level. I could start my own martial art tomorrow claiming to be a perfected fusion of karate and boxing and call it To-Kyo Ken or something and the only thing separating it from kajukenbo, hapkido, or Danzan-ryu jujutsu would be lineage and public consciousness.

Belts are overestimated in the West and only exist because the founder of Judo was also a schoolteacher and thought it would be an easy and rewarding way for youth students to track their progress and recognize dojo hierarchy. Other martial arts borrowed and elaborated on the idea sometimes to the point of ridiculousness (ATA Taekwondo and their camouflage belts representing some stage of tree growth). They weren't meant to be taken that seriously as a sign of proficiency. It's never been uncommon in Japan to see things like 8-year-old black belts whereas in the West that's considered a McDojo red flag.

Really, though, you wouldn't be the first person to exactly try to fund a new style based on linear punches and kicks. Just look at how many different grappling styles act like they're doing something edgy and unique by "using the attacker's force against him." Who DOESN'T do that?

>>2976454

Yes, but start with one at a time.
The first weeks mess with you, physically and mentally.

If you feel like you can handle the training (and new input) easily, start with another martial art.

Personally I would focus at least half a year on something before starting something else.

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>asked to chaperone a trip
>napped the day before after work
>stay up late because I'm not sleepy
>get tired around 5
>sleep until 9
>arrive at 10 for the trip
>wasn't told to pack a lunch
>we never stopped to buy anything
>everyone else knew to pack their own lunch
>didn't bring water either
>get home at 7:30 after chasing kids around the city all day
>headache, low energy, a little nauseous from being over tired and unfed
>I went home instead of going to training
I expect more of myself. I failed ;_;

>>2983371
everlast is what everyone uses. everlast and competition.

>>2984206
Neverlast is shit. Title, Venum, Hayabusa are better

>>2984276
I like hayabusa just because I like saying hayabusa
I'm considering turning pro not because I want to be a champion, but because I want a hayabusa sponsorship

HAYABUSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUmEH-EPDYg

>>2984286

It does sound better than peregrine falcon, I'll give you that.

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Damn son, a good choke really is quick as fuck. First time actually going unconscious from a choke was from a lapse in concentration (and good ass technique, I'm not gonna downplay the guy even one bit) while drilling the bow and arrow choke with the jiujitsu guy during newaza drills.

>>2976454
Yeah but you sort of want to focus/specialize in one more than the other.

>>2958227
I trained primarely boxing but now I'm doing Wu Shu (modern Wu Shu that is) and I'm really missing the sparring.

>>2986942
Why are you going to a place with no sparring?

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So are wrist weights a meme or do they actually lead to faster hands?

>>2986946
Not him, but as impractical as wushu is, it's pretty good cardio. It's like gymnastics with more weapons and Chinese nationalism.

>>2987072
I would more question the point of doing so outside of China. There's no prestiege, I assume almost zero competitive scene, and of course you can't even fight with it. Maybe if you really like kung fu movies? I don't even know.

>>2976454
>>2986928
>Yeah but you sort of want to focus/specialize in one more than the other.
no you don't

>>2970500
>reddit

Boy I sure do love reading treatises from the masters of cognitive dissonance who talk a big game about accepting the reality that MMA and YouTube videos are the only necessary means of proving which martial arts are effective and practical while also stating that racism can only be solved if white people learn not to be evil and expecting the same reality to change to accommodate snowflake memellenial trans-kin.

I weight 240 pounds, whats the best martial art for me?

>>2987359
Try a few out and do whatever you like the best.

>>2987359
Goju-ryu. The bunkai are full of hidden moves to teach you how to leverage speed + weight into an unstoppable combination. Goju was developed to help a big guy overcome a smaller guy in a fight and hasn't been casualized like sumo.

>>2983371
I'm a massive Fairtex mark, seems to be impossibly durable and looks good. Just make sure to get a size up because it fits small.

>>2986588
I like gi chokes because they are so painless. That's kind of the sketchy thing about them too because you can be in a really tight one and not realize it until the world stops moving and you hear that whining in your ears.

>>2987345
m8 the martial arts boards there are like the only ones I visit, but you're sounding like one of the resident "ppl only liek if its in mma" posters from there. Sure, sometimes they get a little too into it, but they're not entirely wrong. Thogh I wish this place was more active since I like it better than there, barring some nice links to other places over there. You're not wrong about it still being reddit though, not that I'd want very many politics with my martial arts anyways.

>>2986971

I think wrist weights are better if you don't train with them, but simply wear them the whole day. Or maybe even a couple of days. It builds up very stong arms and posture.

But it would not recommend it as something you do everyday, it's more like a special preparation. Also make sure to give your arms "free time" to recover after training sessions or if it feels bad in any kind of way. You don't want to fuck up your tendons.


>>2987359

Judo.

Weight is a huge advantage for some Judo techniques..


>>2987544

>Judo session, ground fighting
>big guy got me in choke
>"Whaha, what's this?! NO way I'm gonna tap to this sh.."
>"Uh, where am I?"

>>2987359
MMA. Find a decent MMA gym around you.
>>2987391
stop being a moron. No one should only do goju ryu.

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What's is the will weirdest/dumbest positions you've ended up in grapplers of /mag/?

>>2988515
>No one should only do goju ryu.
why? you're saying to find an MMA gym, but that's only necessary if you don't have the ability to do goju near you. It's truly the only complete martial art. no need to mix and cross train, you already have it all

>>2986588
bow and arrows are the one I consistently almost go to sleep on during demonstrations because they are so comfy and you don't realize it's happening until its happening.
then you go to tap, and you think you are giving good firm taps, but from everyone elses perspective you are lightly brushing your hand on your partners leg like an infant petting a kitten and he doenst even notice

>>2989004

Because Goju hand techniques are as good as boxing. Their weapon system is as good as Fencing+HEMA+FMA+Kendo together. Their throws are better than Judo and Wrestling together and of yourse they outfight any BJJ guy on the ground. Goju's self defens inspired Krav Maga and the Keysi Fighting Method. Aikido wristlocks and restraints are actually only a small subset of Goju wristlocks and restraints. Capoeira dudes learn flexibility and funky tricks from Goju guys. Thai boxers usually ask for advice how to throw good ellbows and knees. When Kung Fu guy run out of forms and interesting weapons they ask Goju guy what they could still learn. When TKD guys run out of kicks, they ask Goju guys for inspiration. Martial arts in fact stopped with Goju. Goju fighters never compete in MMA tournaments, because that would immediately make MMA a boring sport - the Goju guy would always win. Goju guy also have the moral high ground, after all. Goju is god's own fighting style. Goju is love. Goju is light.

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>>2989330

>>2989049
Haha, that's about how it went, neck wasn't exactly comfortable from the gi digging in but it was relatively comfy compared to other chokes, and as I'm about to tap, next thing I know I'm in the corner and the world is spinning.

>>2989474

This is bait on so many levels..

>>2989938
>bait
>..
m8 you new to the martial art threads on this board or something

>>2921142
Does anyone know where I can watch/download the first ufc?

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>>2989991

Not really, I've been here for ages..
But no matter how you look at, it's bait.

New thread goes here:
>>2991168