Who will become the Jannetty? My vote's on Cass. He just

Both. Neither have any chance at successful solo runs.

>>2844167
Both. The best combination for these two would have been Cass as a singles and Enzo as his manager, because Cass lacks charisma and Enzo is way too unbelievable as a singles wrestler (even within 205 live)

Cass has a lot of charisma and will be future Universal/WWE Champion. Enzo is a boring midget trash who will become a low card jobber.

>>2844167
Enzo wrestling wise but he will find something to do. Big cass just needs to hit the weights more and get a big sharper in the ring and the gold is his

>>2844207
>Cass
>Charisma
He sounds like a nervous Patrick Star.

Enzo is a 1 in ring and a 10 on mic
Cass is a 5 in ring and a 2 on mic

They played well of each other's weaknesses, not sure why every tag team has to beef when they split up or why Cass needs a solo push when has such obvious weaknesses.

Cass can be a good wrestler that can be great if given the push

Smarks are just counting him out again because he's a big dude and is beating up a smark favorite

>>2844376
They're counting him out because he's shit, you repressed faggot

>>2844194
Cass will have a boring heel run. Enzo will get badly injured in the ring. Then they'll reunite and Cass will have a successful face career with Enzo as his manager.

>>2844353
>Enzo is a 10 on the mic
t. reddit

Enzo's mouth can carry him as far as they let it. If he just does catchphrases, that's not very far but he's proven, especially the past few weeks, there's a lot more to him than that.

Cass has actually showed a bit of intensity the past couple weeks that's good to see but he's pretty limited in ring.

Both of them need to get a ton of work in. Pair them up with a couple great workers on the house show circuit and see what happens.

>>2844247
>nervous Patrick Star.
That's still more charismatic than most of RAW's roster.

I think Enzo can be the next Stone Cold

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>>2844548
seek sunlight immediately

>>2844560
For what he lacks in moveset, he can make up in ring psychology and well paced choreography

>>2844353
>enzo is a 10 on the mic
gain age

>>2844615
>>2844412
The fact that he got way over despite being a terrible wrestler and WWEs terrible scripting is proof Enzo is a tremendous talent on the mic. You can argue about the numerical value but the fact is he's as good a talker as anyone on the roster right now.

>>2844194
This is so obvious. heel/face they could have done either.

>>2844608
Sorry anon. I like Enzo too. But as good as he is on the mic hes the opposite in the ring.

That being said i think Cass gets lost in the shuffle rather quick.

>>2844530
quit being such a fanboy. He sucks at his job. He should at least hit the weights.

>>2844668
Enzo is better than Kurt Angle. I don't get the whole Enzo can't wrestle meme

>>2844167
MY NAME IS FUTURE ENDEAVORED AMORE

AND I'M A CERTIFIED GIMP

AND A TALENTLESS KEK

AND YOU CAN FUCK MY WIFE

THIS GUY RIGHT HERE, HE'S ALWAYS GASSED

AND HE'S A NEGATIVE DRAW

AND HE FUCKED MY WIFE

BADABOOM, MOST BORING GUYS IN THE ROOM. HERE'S YOUR PISS BREAK

>>2844167

Big Cass is a cutie and also a legend. He will squash Roman Reigns, Braun Strawman, Seth Rollins, Brock Lesnar - everyone. Very fluid in-ring and excellent mic skills.

>>2844376

he has 2 moves.

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>>2844608
>he can make up in ring psychology and well paced choreography

>>2844376
>shit physique
>shit moveset
>not a powerhouse
>black hole of charisma
>no ring sense

>BUT HE'S 7 FEET TALL

I don't see Cass ever succeeding in a world where Braun Strowman exists and does everything he does 10 times better.

Cass. He never took the brass ring and got on the roids like Jinder

>>2844882
Fuck you if he had made stupid faces while shaking the top rope Meltzer would have given this match six stars

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>>2845538
>b-b-but Meltzer, New Jappan WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Jesus Christ you WWE cult babbies really are like this?
I thought it was just jokes.

> This is white Cryme Tyme
Remember when they broke up? They wanted to push Shad. I feel like this will be the same. Cass will squash maybe a couple of guys, fumble around because they have no idea what to do with him and eventually let him go. Enzo I think will last longer like JTG, but will be used as a jobber eventually.

>>2844167
who the fuck unironically gives a shit about these jabronis?

>personal HHH signing who's a top-level promo in the company and has natural charisma
>Vince flavour of the month who is tall

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>>2844353
>10 on mic
just

>>2844877
Yea, him moving on you, and you moving straight to the ground.

>>2844167
Both.

>>2844775
Is this pasta?

>>2844353
>and a 10 on mic
Nah, he's a 7 or 8.
He has to write everything beforehand and reuses the same material.

Owens is the only 10 in the company other than Jericho and maybe Cena.

>>2845652
Owens interviews are pure gold. When Todd started laughing during one and he yelled at him to stay professional I lold. I showed my friends who were not wrestling fans and they loved it.

>>2844167
Neither, because there will not be a Michaels.

>>2844353
>Enzo is a 10 on mic


fucking lol. He'd be approaching a 6/10 rating on a good day.

The problem is they feel they need to put everybody over all the time these days, and it ends up being that nobody gets over ever, instead.

Cass, as he stands right now, is perfect enhancement talent. Like a Hercules Hernandez or a Dino Bravo in a previous age - physically imposing, and not going to be damaged if he eats a pin.

You put Cass in the ring with top guys who are smaller, let them take a win by out manoevring / out thinking the big guy, and Cass is left slapping the canvas in frustration at getting hooked by another small package pin.

But then next week, he is still as physically imposing as he was last week, and it will still be a challenge for a small guy to beat him.

You can run Cass like that for a couple of years. If a gimmick arises that is push-worthy in that time, then fine, go with it. But by definition not everybody can be topping the bill. And someone like Cass should just be happy that he's pulling down WWE money by being on the roster regardless of how he's booked.

All of this applied to Ryback when he was there too, but he was a total fucking mark for himself and sudoku'd his career.

Enzo has the chance of surviving as a manager just like Titus O'Neil has. He can't wrestle but he can talk. Cass on the other hand can do neither. He's better than Enzo in the ring but that's not saying anything. Being tall is not a guarantee.

Cass needs to get better in the ring or on the mic immediately. If he doesn't he will be let go or paired back up with Enzo.

>>2845664
This is actually a very good point.

>>2844167
Cass could work if Stroman didn't exist. You can't have a bunch of big guys working at once without one outshining the others.


Enzo has two problems, being shit in the ring and managers not being as big as they were in the 80s-90s. If he went the manager route he would be set. Maybe paul, Enzo, and Titus could bring back the manager thing.

>>2845692
Sure you can. Keep them apart, use them differently.

One is a legit destroyer (Braun), the other is a hapless, clumsy big guy who you can use to put smaller top guys over.

>>2845676
>physically imposing
Cass isn't scary.
He's just tall - his flabby body makes him a joke.

>>2845743
only because they don't book him as such.

WWE currently tries to book like they have weight categories, which is completely counter-productive.

AJ Styles v Big Cass would put both guys over even when AJ wins with a small package pin. Because throughout the whole match, Cass looks fucking massive.

Instead, you put him against larger guys like Rusev or Shaemus or whoever, and he doesn't look THAT big, and his physique looks patchy. So he looks worse than actually losing to a smaller guy.

Cass would work much better if booked as the biggest fish in a smaller pond.

>>2845750
>only because they don't book him as such.
Since when does booking make you less flabby?

>>2845776
Because putting him against big guys make him look less towering, and therefore you just notice he's not built, instead.

Book him against short guys, and suddenly the most obvious feature about him is he's taller.

Plenty of big guys have had a slightly slobbish physique, but because they have been used right they haven't looked like such a mess.

>>2845750
>only because they don't book him as such.
can be said about anyone then. Styles barely winning with a small package makes Styles look bad because he is much better than flabby Cass and he shouldn't have problems dealing with him.

>>2845778
>Plenty of big guys have had a slightly slobbish physique
Yeah, and they were all strongfat body types.
Cass is not a strongfat - he's just out of shape.

>>2845779
It doesn't make Styles look bad because he has just beaten a guy about twice his size.

Where are you getting this crap from?

>if they're not chiseled, they look weak. Weak!
Andre, Big Show, Kane, Diesel, Undertaker....

It takes way more work for a big guy to look ripped. But you can protect them from looking weak.

Your posts are just evidence of WWE failing to book Cass in a way that protects him.

Making him look giant against AJ for 15 minutes, then taking the inevitable pin and smacking the mat in frustration is the best way to use a big guy like him who is not near the main event.

>>2845782
Are you a relative of Cass or something? Guy can't wrestle for shit on top of having a bad physique. Kane in 06-09 looked pretty out of shape too with a big gut but year before he looked great and he could actually wrestle so it worked to use him as an upper card jobber. Cass is just garbage.

>>2845786
And Taker has never ever had a good physique.

To be honest, I would rather Enzo and Cass both vanished as I think they suck and have been overpushed with their fucking awful forced memes.

I'm mainly fantasy booking this as a way to amuse myself. Because it CAN be done. You can take a guy with a shit physique and make him useful, so long as you balance two things:

1. Make his stature count for something
2. Don't overpush him

Overpushes are like Giant Gonzalez or Khali. Currently, Cass is being failed by point 1, because his stature is not being made to count for anything - going up against the bigger guys, even when he was tagging.

I am mainly looking at this from the other point of view though - not "save Cass's career", but more "Use a guy with physical attributes like Cass to make other guys look more effective". He's the definition of enhancement talent. Small guys can beat him over and over, but as long as you keep pairing him against manlets, he looks big and like a seemingly impossible adversary to overcome, who then gets defeated by being outwitted.

>>2845803
Taker is a great wrestler, comparing him to Cass is laughable.

>>2845805
Address the rest of the post or it's pointless replying to such small posts.

>>2844167
>Enzo gets his shit absolutely ruined by Cass at the WWE Great Balls of Fire™ Pay-Per-View Event
>Cass is not finished with him yet and keeps punking him on Raw
>Enzo decides to recruit some protection, some less-than-stellar talkers who are bigger and better wrestlers than he is
>In exchange, Enzo will manage them
>Titus takes exception to this because Enzo essentially created a competing "brand" inside Raw
>It's Survivor Series, the Enzo Gang (Enzo and four other guys, at least one cruiserweight, no idea who tbqh) vs. the Titus Brand (Titus, Crews, Tozawa, one other guy and Cass)

I just like Survivor Series matches and think Enzo's only worth would be as a manager, ok?

>>2844167
>Memezo Memeore

>>2845811
No one is going to address your fantasy wrestling bullshit because it's fantasy wrestling bullshit.
You keep saying "LOOK AT WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH HIM" and we keep saying "IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER BECAUSE HE SUCKS"

>>2845811
You're babbling too much, I made a good point about Kane that you chose to ignore while ranting about a jabroni. He is not a good wrestler and it's plain to see for everyone. He;s tall, but he's not jacked or even at least fat, he's flabby which is worse.

>>2845826
And I am saying that is the point.

This is what happens when you fail to read the posts and just amputate three or four words out of it and try to reply to that - you just make worthless, bot-like responses that don't accomplish anything.

You don't want to use valuable, talented guys as enhancement talent.

That is what guys like Cass are there fore. You can put him in sub-main event matches, WITH a main event level guy, and job him out. If they are small and he is made to look imposing, then it enhances the other guy, and doesn't damage the one thing Cass has going for him - his height - because he will still have that the next time he goes in to face a little guy.

>>2845835
resorting to insults is just pointless.

Every one of your posts shows you failed to even read the point being made, yet you keep posting. Why is that?

Short version for thickies:

Cass is taller than most
Cass does not have what it takes to be main eventer
But main eventers look good when they beat big guys - even when that big guy technically sucks.
Therefore, he is perfect enhancement talent.

He should be happy to cash a WWE cheque regardless of where on the card he is booked. Eating a pin from a smaller top guy is a worthwhile job. And it is better they farm that shit out to a guy like Cass than use Braun, or Rowan, who may have had some value in the future.

Case in point: nobody would have bitched once if it had been Cass jobbed out to the Rock in 3 seconds at Wrestlemania. Everyone would have been like "Yep. Fair enough."

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>>2845652
>Cena
>10

>>2845812
Not the worst idea.
I just don't see Enzo making it through the next cut

>>2844167
Reminder they pushed Cass as a experiment when Enzo injured

Main Event 1 contender match included.

>>2845864
>don't see HHH's personal signing making it though le Spring Cleaning (which they haven't done in years)

>>2845848
>But main eventers look good when they beat big guys - even when that big guy technically sucks.
This is wrong
>nobody would have bitched once if it had been Cass jobbed out to the Rock in 3 seconds at Wrestlemania. Everyone would have been like "Yep. Fair enough."
I don't want to see 3 second squash matches on wrestlemania and I especially don't want to see top taken waste their time on ppv with shitters.
I don't see how I resorted to "insults" either. This guy isn't good enough for TV time. Period.

>>2845903
Also it currently is summer

>>2845942
Do you write for WWE? Because you have the same mentality. You think everyone on TV must look good and strong and a contender.

It cannot work like that. Wrestling is a zero-sum game: you need losers to make the winners look like winners.

Keeping no-hopers like Cass around plays a vital role - it stops guys with a legit chance of going somewhere - like Harper or Braun - from being jobbed out just to make someone on a hot run look good.

And you can keep just flat out denying it as much as you want, but if you want to make a guy look good, you have him beat a dude bigger than he is, regardless of how technically crap he might be.

>But main eventers look good when they beat big guys - even when that big guy technically sucks.
>This is wrong
Did you see Hulk Hogan's career, at all? The Giant in WCW, Bundy, old age Andre....

>>2845966
>you need losers to make the winners look like winners.
Losers still need to look good, numbnuts.

>>2844167
Enzo could be this generations Too Cool.

I still think team him up with Gargano, help him out improving his wrestling (or even just his "get the shit beaten out of him before Gargano comes in with the hot tag) and you could have a great tag team, a guy who is good on the mic and one who is a super over babyface.

Never break them up, even if Gargano ends up on the IC or CW title scenes, just have Enzo tagging along and being a good bro.

>>2845977
>look good

This is what happens when WWE starts vacuuming up the gay porn crowd.

Go back and watch any federation outside of WWE - or even WWE prior to around 2003.

You had guys that looked like they could be legitimately badass but who didn't have to look like male models.

In a back alley fight, you would put your money on Cass beating the living shit out of a little guy like Enzo or Styles or Balor. But in WWE now they have to have circus performing male models.

I am thinking that you actually agree 100% with the way I said they could book Cass as enhancement. What you are really saying is he doesn't make your sphincter tingle in that funny way you like so much.

>>2845996
>Enzo could be this generations Too Cool.

That is literally how he was booked from day one.

He's like a shitty Scotty 2 Hotty whose been given a terrible Road Dogg forced meme mic entrance.

Cass is probably going to win IC/US title once and then go to obscurity, Enzo probably going to manage someone from NXT (probably a team/ stable) since good mic skill is very rare now on main tv WWE program these days

>>2846244
Managers are pretty much out of favour these days, aren't they? I don't watch enough tv to be certain I'm not just missing them. But there don't seem to be many angles involving managers or anything.

Neither Cass or Enzo deserve to touch a belt in the WWE. Not even that cummy one Paige had.

>>2846226
Cass looks like a wimp, yeah he looks like he could beat Enzo but that's not saying much.

>>2846256
post yourself

>>2846287
>worked into asking anons for pics to justify his fetish for a few bum wrestlers
Heh

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>>2846324
>It's a Back Down and Save Face post

Thanks, buddy.

>>2846344
Lmao worked

>>2845966
Losers should look cool too, or winners victories wouldn't mean shit because they just defeated a weak faggot

>>2846344
you just got worked into a shoot

Big Cass is going to draw big dimes in the future. You have to be pretty low test to not have any respect for Big Cass.

>>2846412
that type of thinking is what caused the 50-50 booking abortion of the present day.

>>2844167
Both

One can't wrestle, the other one can't talk.

>>2846436
one can't wrestle, one can't talk OR wrestle*

>>2845526
>does everything he does 10 times better.

Strowman is nothing without Roman ragdolling for him.

Put Cass in his position and smarks will cheer him out of edginess and contrarianism.

>>2845656
sauce pls

>>2847393
>smarks
who the fuck cares what they think?

Cass is going to be fine.

He'll eventually get a giga baby face push, drowned in boos and they'll say ''they love to boo him, they pay tickets''.

Until Vince dies, WWE's philosophy is that ''we'll push who we like, and you'll eventually like them too or stop watching''.

The next few years are going to be horrendous. Corbin, Big Cuck and Roman Reigns in the main event? Lol.

>>2846252
If you haven't noticed, the current WWE champ is a jobber.

It has lost any credibility.

>>2844520
I agree that they need a lot of work, but they have each surprised me thus far.

Cass was actually decent when he turned, and I expected absolute dog shit water trash.

>>2844775
This was retarded except
"AND YOU CAN FUCK MY WIFE"
That made me laugh out loud.

>>2847393
Strowman is over without Romannetty

>>2845786
Let's not forget Kane had a ridiculously good physique for his size 1997-2005 and then in 2015(?) he proved he still has the capacity for a good physique, even at his age.

Some people just don't have it.

>>2848837
Kane was covered up most of that time. Getting a big guy to cover up is almost always damage limitation. Because when it comes to physique, Vince's ethos is "If they've got it, flaunt it!"

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>>2848847
Make no mistake about his prime physique. For almost 7ft tall, he looked great. Especially compared to others his height.

>>2844167
Enzo will be the next SCSA.

>>2848855
word on that. He HGH'd up very nice after a while.

In the early days of Kane though, he was put in a thick fucking body stocking thing most of the time, with only his arms showing.

>>2844882
/r/ing enzo getting concussed

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>>2844167

Enzo has that "Attitude Era" feel!

>>2848933

What's with the HGH meme? It's probably just plain old testosterone + something to get rid of bitch tits.

>>2846416
maybe if he goes on jinder roids

>>2845803
>And Taker has never ever had a good physique.
Taker may not have ever looked ripped, but he's always had a great physique.

>>2848247
Yeah that always gets me too. I showed my buddy when I posted this pasta once and now he always referes to Enzo as "that guy who lets people fuck his wife". That makes it way funnier to me somehow.

>>2849828
I will agree with you and ignore his last two years

>>2844877
>Muh movez