Was it ***** ? It's definitely the best match they've

Damn right it was. That match brought was a masterpiece. Every time I watch Ishii, the more I like him.

That spot made it 5 stars.

Definitely a MOTYC. I'd certainly give it 5 stars. Only thing that would have made it better for me would be Ishii winning, but I can see why they had Omega win since he's the over guy in the west and it's all strategy for New Japan to expand in America.

This was 5 stars no question.

We can all go ahead and confirm Ishii in the top five in NJPW now too.

>>2836905
Do you think Ishii being in CHAOS hurts him from climbing up the ladder? I want to see him against Okada again. Maybe at next years Dominion for the belt if Okada still has it. A big enough showcase for him.

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>>2836868
Ishii is /our manlet/

>>2836920
That zoom in during the match was awesome

Their last two matches were stellar and this one made them look like puke. A serious MOTY contender in any year without the Omega / Okada feud.

>>2836934
>t.meltzerdrone

>>2836920
But that's dumb, he could've touched the ropes with his nose and it would've had the same effect.

>>2836936

Great post!

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>>2836939
They're on the apron, Kenny is trying to suplex him through a table, Ishii grabs the ropes with his teeth to try and hold on.

>>2836939
what did he mean by this?

>>2836959
Spots like this no longer impress me.

>>2836997

What impresses you? Obviously a gif of a spot is nothing, it's all in the storytelling and the buildup and the build to this spot was 10/10.

>>2836959
>grabs on with his teeth
what's the point? Your jaw isn't stronger than the upper body, core, arms and legs of another full grown man, especially not one who's a "professional wrestler" who's supposed to be this ultra athletic super human.

it's just fucking stupid. you guys are such fags.
>inb4 LE TAKING WRESTLING SERIOUSLY
wrestling was better when the marks were in the seats

>>2836868
****** Fight me.

>>2837089
Ok. Clearly you don't watch the match. Go watch Cena promo at SD, it's better suited for you.

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>>2837094
No
pic related

>>2837089

What was Smokey Mountain like?

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How far has Kenny surpassed AJ at this point, as a performer?
>AJ never had good matches with Okada
>his entire NJPW run is pretty overrated (only had good matches with Suzuki and Naito)
>Isn't a great storyteller

>>2837422

There's no way Kenny is as good in the ring as AJ but that's true of essentially every wrestler ever. Kenny is bigger, he has a better look, a better promo and I'd argue he's surpassed AJ as storyteller in the last year.

Kenny is also 7 years younger, healthy and improving every month.

>>2837231
I don't need to. Grabbing onto a rope with your teeth when a grown man is trying to yank you off is fucking stupid.

>>2837422
AJ Styles is great and overrated at the same time.

>>2837422
AJ is a better storyteller than Kenny but that's about it.

>>2837546
>There's no way Kenny is as good in the ring as AJ
I don't know how you mean. Kenny's moves look better and he has better psychology. And every opponent AJ had good matches with in NJPW, Kenny has 1UPed him:
>Kenny has had better matches with Tana
>Kenny has had better matches with Naito
>Kenny had better matches with Okada
And I can almost guarantee he's going to have a better match with Suzuki in G1 this year too.

>>2837569
No, it shows desperation to keep from being dragon suplexed into a table. It's called story telling, something that is sorely lacking in professional wrestling. The match was an instant classic.
>ib4 wrestling in bear outfit is not stupid

>>2837422
>smarks start cumming over devitt and the bullet club
>gets signed by WWE

>n-no big deal, AJ is the best in the world anyway, hes a better leader for BC anyway
>signs to wwe

>w-well Kenny Omega was the REAL star the whole time
you fags are almost as pathetic as the losers that still cling to the bullet club for merch sales

>>2837599
This. They're both good athletes and shit promos but Kenny goes overboard with the facial expressions to the point it detracts from his matches. Also he's pretty guilty of videogame wrestling where he does two or three moves when he only really needs to do one

>>2837617
>No, it shows desperation
That doesn't mean it's good. Not to mention in the webm right fucking here >>2836920 you can clearly see that he can reach the rope with his arms.

No matter how desperate you are, you aren't hanging on to something with your teeth. It's fucking retarded logic. Am I supposed to believe that Kenny is so weak that he physically can't remove this man's jaw from a rope? That's not good storytelling. It just makes Kenny look like a weak ass jabroni and it makes the whole thing look fake as fuck. You can sell desperation with your body language and face. This >>2836920 is not desperation. He looks like he's asleep, not like he's struggling.

Fucking kill yourself. It's like you faggots only over rate NJPW because you think you're supposed to.

>bear comment
Neck yourself. I didn't say one thing about WWE.

>>2837709
Because Ishii is a stone pitbull and the toughest guy in NJPW. It's his gimmick. Therefore it's believable in the logic of wrestling. This isn't hard to follow.

>>2837709
Furry rage

It was for me.

>>2837613

This is nonsense m8. Kenny is putting on some of the matches in history but they're against 10/10s like Okada and Ishii. AJ wrestled X-Pac when X-Pac literally shot up meth seconds before heading to the ring and AJ carried him through a 4 star match and the best match of X-Pac's career. And he made X-Pac look like a champion while he did. Next to nobody is as good as AJ in the ring. The guy can wrestler any style against any opponent. His bag of moves and spots is bottomless

>>2837767
So why can't he use his arms that can visibly (and do at one point) reach the ropes? if he's "desperate" enough to use his fucking teeth, why isn't he grasping with everything he has?

>>2837817
>when X-Pac literally shot up meth seconds before heading to the ring
have you ever done meth you fucking retard? that's like, the one drug that could actually make you 10x better if taken 10 seconds before a match

>>2837836
>Reaching ropes while in a full nelson
Neck ya self

>>2837863
But he clearly reaches the rope in the webm

>>2837817
This doesn't follow. Every opponent AJ had a good with in NJPW, Kenny had a match with that has been twice as better at least. Therefore your point is disproved in that it's >just because he worked with Okada, when AJ worked with Okada too, 5 times. And none of them were even close to being as good as either of Kenny's matches with him.

>>2837836
it's a failing on Ishii if anything he happened to slip up his selling by grabbing the rope for a second. doesn't matter because the story they're trying to tell with this spot is perfectly in line with Ishii's character

>>2838156
It may not have even been deliberate. He could have legit not have had his balance quite right for the spot and didn't want to sell it fully until he was sure he had his footing.

>>2837709
>>2837836
It is so obvious that you don't watch GOAT Japan. Back to your babby threads little E drone.

>>2838242
whatever you say you sad lonely meltzdrone

>>2838067
>Every opponent AJ had a good with in NJPW, Kenny had a match with that has been twice as better at least.

Do you have the Dave Meltzer star rating sheets to back up this stat? No way I'm taking the opinion of a mark instead of legitimate wrestling genius.

AJ is consistently good while Kenny has higher highs.

>finally, the rest of the board starts to appreciate my boy Ishii
Slowly but surely /asp/ is following in the footsteps of my patrician tastes. I'm proud of you aspies

>>2838599

I'm sick of you and your centrist nonsense

>>2838469
I'm not the other guy but why do people fell the need to bring in Meltzer for every argument that includes New Japan? Can he like the show without caring for Meltz?

>>2837052
seriously. how the fuck can you judge a novel by just a paragraph?

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>>2837089
>Your jaw isn't stronger than the upper body, core, arms and legs of another full grown man
no, but Ishii's jaw fucking is.

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>>2838850
>literally the stone pitbull
>pitbulls have strong mouths
wew it all makes sense now senpai

>>2837422
AJ vs nakamura was amazing wtf are you talking about

>>2836926
New Japan's camera work shits on WWMeme. Kevin Dunn should feel ashamed.

>>2838891
Don't be stupid, the g1 special camerawork was awful. Worst rainmaker pose zoom out I've ever seen

>>2838840
>can he like the show without caring for Meltz?
bet he doesn't.

>>2838847
that isn't a valid comparison.

>>2838902
I'm pretty sure I remember exactly what you're talking about

>>2836905
Ishii was always the best

Ishii for me had turned from "the guy that looks like a bulldog", to "the guy that can fuck you up like a pitbull" in a span of 13 months.
hes what the old shits at wwmeme should aspire to be.

>>2836905
Well, I disagree.

>>2839236
>hes what the old shits at wwmeme should aspire to be.
why? they're far more successful doing what they're doing

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>>2839271
being rich doesn't mean being successful to some.

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>>2839273
i never said it did

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>>2837569
What is it about pro wrestling you don't understand faggot?! Why are faggots like you trying to be mythbuster cucks when everyone knows the jigg has been up for a very long time? why are you a virgin fishing for reactions?

>>2839311
Hey anon did you know the Undertaker isn't really an undead zombie wizard?

>>2837569
>>2837089
>>2837709
>isn't able to understand that Ishii's usage of his teeth in that spot was to symbolize that Ishii was quite literally using everything he had in his disposal to fight with Kenny
>a significant theme of the match was winning by the skin of your teeth, for both Ishii and Kenny
>waaah wrestling needs to be 100% realistic all of the time
Why aren't you whining about people using sharpshooters instead of kneebars? Or an armbar not winning the match on the spot? Or a rear-naked choke isn't an instant kill, or people rebounding off the ropes after an Irish Whip? There's fucking conventions of wrestling that aren't realistic, but are instead part of the unwritten rules.
Stop subscribing to Corny's podcast, you fucking anti-smark

>>2839361
This. You can see a lot of Cornetty's >MUH OLDSCHOOL >MUH PROTECT THE BUSINESS ITT.

FFS, he complains about all that shit but will defend WWE's bizzaro world gimmicks like Undertaker and Buried Alive matches.

>>2839361
>>2839828
Hey don't lump the rest of us in with this fucking moron. Im a Cornette fan because he's a funny sperglord, but this autism is beyond that.

>>2839361
>>2839828
>>2839860
>meltzdrones

>>2839361
>>2839828
What's truly hilarious about this is it's e-drones actually trying to complain about realism. Fucking E-DRONES lol.

>>2839959
not once was WWE brought up by the guy who called this spot retarded you drooling retard

>>2839967
Only e-drones would be retarded enough to cry about something like that, sperg.

>>2839939
>if I post it everywhere people will think it's not just me forcing it