Have smarks been unironically worked by Charlotte's push?

>>2629853

Yeah, Sasha made her look like a GOAT by jobbing out to her for almost a whole year.

shes very sloppy in ring and her promos still suck i don't understand why she is seen as anything special

>>2629853
>Have smarks been unironically worked by Charlotte's push?

Actually, yes. WWE has pushed her so much as the GOAT that people actually believe she's the GOAT. In reality she has a pretty moonsault (which she can never cleanly hit) and outside of that is super sloppy and insanely average. Her promos are some of the worst on the roster, too

>>2629861
Because people eat up anything women do that's even remotely good nowadays, she's literally the Roman Reigns of the divashit

>>2629879
>Her promos are some of the worst on the roster, too
I've been saying this for the better part of a year, but her rabid following refuses to acknowledge it. She always ALWAYS over enunciates her words, and she has no inflection whatsoever. She sounds like an angry special ed teacher

>>2629900
yeah she thinks that SAYING words occasionally LIKE this means SHE is emoting but its just HIGHSCHOOL drama class tier shit

she also has no presence even though her gimmick is basically being a queen and she seems uncomfortable in her skin

>>2629909
Have you seen her nudes. I'd be uncomfortable in that skin too.

>>2629853
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>>2629879
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>>2629900
>>2629909

CRINGE.

>>2629918

pointless cringe meme is cringe

>>2629853
>>2629861
>>2629879
>>2629883
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>>2629909
Here's why you're all faggots:

>believing the smarks who claim Natalya is a great worker when she's pretty mediocre (inb4 "b-but muh hart dungeon"). She's a good comedic heel, but nothing more.
>forgetting her two great matches with BAYLEY of all people
>forgetting that Charlotte wrestled Sasha a million times, so to say "the only good matches she's had were against [pretty much 90% of the wrestlers she's wrestled over the past year]" is actually a compliment
>not watching her matches objectively and seeing how much she grew within a year's time
>not realizing it's clear she knows the ring like it's the back of her hand
>thinking her promos are a knock against her being the GOAT when several of the GOATs in the top 10 of all time couldn't cut a promo for shit either (Bret Hart, Undertaker, etc.)
>not noticing her improvement on the mic, or admitting while she's not very good, she can at least hold her own and she doesn't have awkward cringe moments like Sasha and Bayley and pretty much all the other divas have
>not admitting her in-ring presence is fantastic
>not noticing her superb in-ring psychology skills
>not appreciating her loud trash talking in the ring
>not appreciating her goddess-tier ripped, long body
>not appreciating her grace in the ring (and when she moonsaults)
>not noticing all the little things she does that she clearly took from the greats - while none of the other women have this

With regards to the last point, notice how she does her chops and kicks on offense. Even for lowly, common moves like these, she sells the move tremendously. Head bang, hair flip, body spin, body gets totally into the movement. She honestly reminds me of the Undertaker when she does that sort of thing.

Bow to your fucking Queen.

>>2629933
>bow to your fucking queen
Cringe

>>2629940
this post is pretty cringey, tbf. hiding it. don't respond to this either because I won't read it.

>>2629933
>Bow to your fucking Queen.

worked

>>2629933
jfc

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>>2629940
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>>2629951
BOW

>>2629933
2d waifus are a mistake

>>2629933

Agree with all this but ALSO, actually Charlotte's promos are better than the other girls excluding Mickie James.

>>2629909
that's the reason why alexa and harlot are kept away from each other, as alexa would expose how awful the fridge is at promos

>>2629960
How do you plug in a fridge at the beach?

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>>2629940
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>>2629963
DOWN

>>2629853
Yes. Sasha almost literally broke her back (and neck) getting Charlotte over. Now the fickle smarks are convinced she's GOAT.

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>>2629940
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>>2629977
TO

How does a fridge get pushed so hard when it has no merch?

>>2629977
While Sasha is preparing to do the same for Bliss. Legit JUST gimmick when?

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>>2629940
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>>2629985
YOU'RE FUCKING

>>2629964
Nope they're cancer and among the worst in all OF wwe

>>2629933

Nattie carried Char in her best ever match
Bayley has been involved in 2 of the 3 best WWE women's matches ever. Char has been involved in 0
Sasha outperformed Char in all of their good matches
Char hasn't grown at all since her heel turn
She can't sell, strike or chop
Her promos are an embarrassment to the name flair
Her tone is actually hard to listen to. Even Bayley's cringey promos are easier to listen to
She puts her arms out a lot. That's the only presence she has
She has no in-ring psychology. She forgets to sell and rushes through spots
She trash talks in the ring? Is it anything other than "I AM THE QUEEN"?
She's built like an iPhone
Her moonsaults are pretty but she always misses them and endangers people because she can't control her legs or landing
Sasha does the little things (as a heel) wayyyy better than Charlotte

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>>2629977

maybe management thinks charlotte is a superior performer to sasha? no way, couldn't be, right?

>>2629993

Idk why they'd think that when Sasha has proven that wrong countless times

>>2629988
majestic

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>>2629993
QUEEN

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>>2629993

Because that is how they choose the guys that gets pushed.

>>2630005
Nah

>>2629993
And they're wrong.

>>2629992
She's had better matches with: sasha, nikki bella of all people, bayley... also it was nattie's best match in about 3 years.
Okay.
Sasha flew around like Dolph Ziggler and killed herself in creative ways
Wrong? She's actually been improving at an incredible rate since getting to the main roster.
Sells great, strikes great, chops are a little eh but so is Dean Ambrose's entire offense, so what?
Her promos are excellent as evidenced by she consistently gets more solo talking time than any woman in the company
Incredible facial expressions, always into the story of the match
This just isn't true?
Neither is this?
Neither is this?
MORE FAKE NEWS
Sure, but she's not a heel right now and she's a terrible face so... :/

>>2630003

Sasha is better at everything, far more over, younger, has more experience, far better in-ring psychology, can get others and herself over like no other in the company...

I don't know...Charlotte is taller, white and blond...who knows...

>>2630005

how old is she now? 31?

She's not getting any younger and she already looks 45

Hopefully she finds a nice young sperm donor who will agree to get her pregnant so she can retire before she gets even more ugly

I give her 2-3 years left in wrestling max

>>2630024
bruh you seen her hips

no fucking what she capable of giving birth

>>2630024

I bet $100 dollars Sasha retires before Charlotte does.

>>2629992
>Nattie carried Char in her best ever match
lmao
>Bayley has been involved in 2 of the 3 best WWE women's matches ever. Char has been involved in 0
haha
>Sasha outperformed Char in all of their good matches
rofl
>Char hasn't grown at all since her heel turn
wrong
>She can't sell, strike or chop
*spits out soda* HAHAHAHAHA
>Her promos are an embarrassment to the name flair
Not true. She's decent, and improving.
>Her tone is actually hard to listen to. Even Bayley's cringey promos are easier to listen to
Tone is bad. But you're wrong on your last part.
>She puts her arms out a lot. That's the only presence she has
rofl
>She has no in-ring psychology. She forgets to sell and rushes through spots
LMFAO
>She trash talks in the ring? Is it anything other than "I AM THE QUEEN"?
Yes
>She's built like an iPhone
Not really. Also, everyone here would hit it and would cum before they got half their five incher inside
>Her moonsaults are pretty but she always misses them and endangers people because she can't control her legs or landing
No
>Sasha does the little things (as a heel) wayyyy better than Charlotte
"No"

>>2630023

I have a theory that blonde girls are more likely to get pushed than anyone else because Vince has a preference for them

Charlotte/Alexa the current mega pushes
Before that the rumours were Dana/Lana getting pushes until that turned out shit
When there were no viable blondes in WWE they went with the closest thing to a ditsy blonde in Nikki Bella

Vince just wants Trish all over again. Mandy will be called up soon and get a huge push

>>2630024
>I give her 2-3 years left in wrestling max
In 2-3 years she'll either be holding the Universal title or the WWE title.

>>2630043

I'd say you're being delusional but the Flairs have Vince's balls in so much of a tight vice that I wouldn't put it past them

>>2629933
>With regards to the last point, notice how she does her chops and kicks on offense. Even for lowly, common moves like these, she sells the move tremendously. Head bang, hair flip, body spin, body gets totally into the movement. She honestly reminds me of the Undertaker when she does that sort of thing.
This. She has all the intangibles. None of the other women have this (Sasha has her moments, but doesn't come close) and a large majority of the men don't have it either.

>>2630047
She'll be so over by then the crowd will be begging for it like they begged for DBry to main event WM, except in this case, it'll be deserved.

Charlotte is the best thing to happen to WWE since Brock Lesnar's return.

>>2630038

We still have to see, if that is an actual Alexa push though...

Apart from that...yeah...Vince still wants to push blonde stereotypes, so Sasha or Becky never had a chance.

>>2630056

>Charlotte
>Over

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

She wasn't over before, now everyone's seen her disgusting fridge body she'll be even less over

>>2629853
Who the fuck said natalya is better than charlotte? Fat talentless cow, only nia jax is worse.

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>>2630043

and apparently seth gets the divas title. sounds BASED to me

>>2630064
Right, this is why even before Charlotte turned face, the Smackdown crowd popped big time when they found out Charlotte was part of the mix up and would be coming to Smackdown.

>>2630056
>Charlotte is the best thing to happen to WWE since Brock Lesnar's return.

Man, all that praise for Sasha's amazing work.

>>2630064
Modern crowds often can't appreciate actual talent. If they're not tiny midgets who just do flips and shit and remind them of their own mediocrity, they often don't care. Sad.

>>2630069

You mean the crowd that was chanting for Sasha?

That was still Boston after all...

>>2630064

We're debating someone who clearly hasn't watched Charlotte on Smackdown, where she's wildly fucking over.

And carrying literal heatless who's like Naomi and Tamina and Carmella

>>2630069

The crowd pops for surprises. More breaking news at 8

>>2630075
Stop being a sore loser. Sasha had every opportunity (dozens?) to outshine Charlotte, and she failed. The better woman won, the better woman is getting her more deserved push. It's over, Charlotte is GOAT.

Reminder that after about 6 months of Charlotte 'The Big Bitch' Reigns' babyface push the fans will once again turn on her just like they did last time WWE tried it, because when she doesn't have a popular babyface to play off she's mediocre as fuck.

>>2630081
You're grasping at straws here. Crowds don't pop for heels they dislike. Miz would never get that pop. Also it wasn't a surprise because the crowd was chanting her name when Shane was dramatizing the call out (and describing who it was - it was obvious to everyone he was talking about Charlotte), and they also were silent/booed when the "reveal" was Tamina.

>>2630083

They did it after 1 month with her first face push though

They were cheering heel Paige over face Charlotte so had to double turn them

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>>2630086
Face Charlotte was in bad storylines though (basically begging for sympathy because her brother) and her mic work was much shittier. She also wasn't a proven commodity like she is now, and she's vastly improved in the ring.

>>2630085

>You're grasping at straws here. Crowds don't pop for heels they dislike. Miz would never get that pop.

Miz literally got some of the biggest pops over the road to wrestlemania/wm weekend of anyone and got a huge pop when he showed up on RAW.

The crowd on SD that night was chanting "we want sasha", not Charlotte you mark

>>2630082

worked

>>2630096
Most heels get pops when they got up against Cena bro. Especially in smarky WM/post-WM crowds.

Also prior to the fake Total Bellas act, that wouldn't have happened as much

>>2630086
She has some smark cred this time though.. It'll take a bit longer now. The end result will ultimately be the same regardless. The only thing separating Charlotte from smark enemy number 1 was the fact that she was heel and Roman isn't. Now people will see they're the exact same: Mediocre corporate favorites that the rest of the roster will be fed to in a desperate attempt to make fans like them.

>>2630093

Her mic work will now be about as shitty though. Face promos are much more difficult and her Queen gimmick is about as good for a babyface as Sasha's Boss gimmick.

>>2630086

>>2630083

Actually Charlotte's last face run stalled because she's not a good underdog thanks to being like a foot taller than the who's she's squashing on a weekly basis.

Now that she's got a solid gimmick she's comfortable in (unlike roman), I expect her next run to go great, if it takes WWE six months to get people tired of her, I'd consider that a good run.

>>2630108
Charlotte can wrestle rings around Roman though.

>>2630111
It also stalled because the actual matches were boring and shit. Charlotte didn't have a single noteworthy match until Sasha came along and stopped having them after that feud ended, what a coincidence that is

>>2630083
>>2630108
>>2630109
>>2630111
She'll be fine if they make her more of a tweener than a babyface. Part of what makes her great is her intensity and ruthlessness. As long as she doesn't go full-on babyface pander mode she'll be golden

>>2630117
The only "coincidence" is Sasha is the only other women even remotely close to being on her level talent-wise. Sasha is many tiers below, but at least she was somewhat close.

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>>2630108

and that sympathy is going to transfer to who?

there's not some daniel bryan of the smackdown women's division that's being held down over there, she's the best performer in and out of kayfabe, including pic related

just stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>2630111
or because shes not actually all that likeable

>>2630112
No she can't. His offence looks much better and he actually knows how to sell.

Facts are this

When it comes to the 4HW

Best faces:

Becky >>> Bayley >>>> Sasha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlotte

Best heels

Sasha >>>>> Charlotte >>>>>>> Becky >infinity Bayley

Best overall

Sasha >>> Becky >>>> Bayley/Char

Best in ring

Sasha > Becky > Bayley >>>> Charlotte

Best on the mic

Becky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heel Sasha >>>> Heel Charlotte/Face Sasha >>>>>>>> Bayley >>>>>>>>> Face Charlotte

Thank you bye

>>2630117

She literally just had the best singles match in Naomi's WWE career last month.

Come ON, son.

>>2630121

Literally the other person in that picture

>>2630123
Yes she is. She has better ring presence, a better moveset, sells better, tells a better story, and is more graceful. She's also better on the mic.

>>2630121
It won't transfer to anyone, you'll just get a dead division that nobody cares about. The new reign of terror is only just getting started.

>>2630129

Not saying much. Naomi is shit and that match was also shit

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>>2629933
nope, I'm right, ur wrong, this proves it, and I will post this until /asp/ concedes that I am right

>>2630130

Becky's level of overness is "surprisingly good for someone management obviously has zero interest in" not beloved hero that the crowd is going to jack shows for.

>>2630131
Not one bit of that is true.

>>2630136

On the last SD episode the pop she got when she showed up to help Naomi/Char/turned on the jobbers was way bigger than anything char has ever gotten

>>2630137
Every single bit of it is true. Get a load of this Roman Reigns mark everyone.

>>2630126
>best on mic
>becky

O OIM BECKUH BALOBOA

SPIT HAWT FIYAH

CUM AT MOI BRO

unironically the worst promo in the company

>>2630142
I don't care for Roman in the slightest. I'm also not a delusional waifufag either though

>>2630143

better than I aM tHe quEEn aND yoU WilL bOW DowN WooOOOOOoOoOOOOOOO

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>>2630126
>sasha
>best in ring
>best anything

fucking wew

>>2630143
*Unironically the worst material in the company, FTFY. Becky's serious promos are 10 times better than any of Charlotte's tone deaf shoutfests.

>>2630120
>The only "coincidence" is Sasha is the only other women even remotely close to being on her level talent-wise. Sasha is many tiers below, but at least she was somewhat close.

Charlotte will likely never be anywhere as good as Sasha is already.

It is just too bad Sasha is so good in making others shine that she will probably never do anything else. She and Becky are pretty much the high tier enhancement talent of the two divisions.

>>2630147
charlotte is also awful

only women who are decent on the mic are bliss and carmella

>>2630120
The utter delusion of this post. Holy shit. You've got to be baiting. Nobody is this much of a pleb.

>>2630151
becky speaks like she's actually fucking deaf fuck outta here

none of the horses are good speakers

>>2629853
Don't forget her match with Nikki, and the Alabama Slam that should have looked devastating that Charlotte proceeded to no-sell.

>>2630143
>>2630142

Holy shit the delusion in this thread is overwhelming.

>>2630139

It wasn't as loud as Charlotte's debut. And god I would hope that her run-in would get a big pop after being built for three weeks. Maybe we can do a three week build for every appearance that she makes and she'd be hot.

>>2630159
she didn't nosell she's just terrible at selling

>>2629933
This has to be copy pasted from woodit

>>2630161

Nah she literally rolled back in the ring and put the figure 8 on straight away

That's either being the worst seller on the roster or being retarded when it comes to understanding ring psychology

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>>2630153

wtf

>>2630170
i forgot she existed for some reason desu my bad

mickie too

>>2630174
>i forgot she existed for some reason desu my bad

Don't worry, Vince did too

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In conclusion: Charlotte is actually shoot really good, famalams.

>>2630185
except that's wrong. She only appears to be good in a sea of mediocrity, yet her promos and voice remain one of the most grating things on WWE television

>>2630185

She is good, but far away from being the best in the company, let alone be anywhere near GOAT status.

>>2630185

most overrated bitch in history

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>>2630186
>>2630187
>>2630190
MAD
A
D

>>2630195
Nah, the only one who should mad is Charles for being outed as a post-op

>>2630174
Everybody forgets Mickie exists when it comes to these discussions.

>>2631613
old, fat, worn out, forgettable and in already midlife crisis
she's the like white version of Asuka

>>2630195
Lovely as always

>>2629933
Agreed.

Charlotte has all the intangibles that some wrestlers never get. Sasha made her a better wrestler for sure, but now Charlotte's at the point where you put her in the ring to make her opponent look better.

>>2629853

"She" is a He.

>>2631769
>but now Charlotte's at the point where you put her in the ring to make her opponent look better.

Like whom? Naomi a bit...maybe...the rest remains to be seen.

>>2630037
Aside from anything else in the first point, Nattie was carrying in that first match. That was her role as senior wrestler. That's not to say anything negative about Charlotte's performance.

Don't care about those Bayley and Sasha points.

Charlotte definitely has grown as a performer in her heel run, yeah

Selling isn't her strong suit, her strikes are fine though.

Promos are Improving, sure.

Her tone doesn't really bother me. I hate main roster Bayley, find it difficult to watch. If I didn't know she was better than that, it wouldn't bother me.

Everyone has their poses, Charlotte's is putting her arms out. Fine.

She has some psychology, but she really does rush from spot to spot. She seems too reliant on sequences and needs to loosen up in the ring so she can pay attention to what's happening.

Her trash talking is pretty good.

Built like an iPhone vs would cum buckets? Don't give a shit. She looks believably athletic, because she is, so it's fine.

I like her moonsaults. Sometimes the landings are sketchy, but you get that from every high flyer on the roster.

Sometimes Sasha will pay more attention to details than I've seen Charlotte do. Charlotte focusses on big picture, Sasha is more responsive to her situation.

>Have smarks been unironically worked by Charlotte's push?
smarks get worked by any female wrestler. normal people don't care about or try to rank something you obviously aren't supposed to care about or rank

>>2630038
I wonder what could have ever given you that idea? Maybe it's all the blondes he's pushed.

Alundra Blayze, Sable and Debra were all pushed before Trish.
Made The Kat dye her hair blonde
Stephanie McMahon was blonde during the time Vince kept pushing for an incest angle
Trish Stratus, as you said
Beth Phoenix (though, he also has a thing for muscles and they were trying to erase Chyna)
Michelle McCool, Maryse, Jillian Hall, Natalya, Kelly Kelly, Kaitlyn (dyed blonde again)
Then, of course, Charlotte and Alexa Bliss

And that's just the blondes he let have the title.
(Interestingly enough, 40% of all reigns were blonde women)
Sunny, Terri, Ashley Massaro, Stacey Keibler and Torrie Wilson (who never got the title because fuck WCW). All got pushed heavily as the female faces of WWE. Vince is also creepily obsessed with Dana Brooke (muscles and blonde, his Total Package Lex Luger), and has always seemed interested in Lana.