/mag/ Martial arts general

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how to become master roshi tier?

I want the grandpa gains, and to have young people travel all the way from a village in the east to train under me

>>2275276
Do you have a tortoise?

Any tips on doing the hiptoss on someone with long arms? I don't know if its them or me, but I could do it easier on people with shorter arms

>>2275508
If we're talking randori, it' s possibly a problem with grip fighting leading up to the throw. Whatever the cause, the answer remains the same:
>get dominant grip
>close distance and kuzushi
>throw

>>2275508
You need to break their grip, long arms mean nothing if they're not actually gripping you.

>>2275222
>WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A MARTIAL ARTS GYM:

be unbiased and objective to actually see anything in the first place
- the coaches Are knowledgeable
- the coaches are able to evaluate students objectively
- the coaches can use their knowledge to solve problems and answer questions logically
- the physical conditioning methods follow scientifically valid facts
- in turn, people get better, people have fun, because of the fact that that's what makes a good gym, not despite the fact

Different combinations of different training methods are more efficient than others.
Different combinations of training methods work more efficiently for some individuals than others.

Failing to obtain adequate sleep impairs cognitive function, and therefore impairs one's ability to learn and develop skill.

Failing to maintain healthy psychological health impairs cognitive function, and therefore impairs one's ability to learn and develop skill

One's cognition works best at certain times during one's sleep-wake patterns, so one would learn and develop skill more efficiently during those periods.

One's diet also contributes to cognitive function.

>>2275998
Do you have to post this every half thread?

>>2275476
yes
his name is brian, except I found out later on brian is a girl

>>2275276
hookers and blow

>>2275998
>Failing to obtain adequate sleep impairs cognitive function
Maybe you should get some sleep then, buddy.

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>>2276469
>that shitty "i only watch ufc" stance
>that obvious as fuck shoot

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does anyone have other version of this or even that template?

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>>2276413
soon the grandpa gains will be mine!

>>2275508
You could try a wrestling variation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cc7tyjGLx0

>>2276545
wrestling is pretty cool
I wanted to join the wrestling team when I was in 5th grade, but I think the coach sucked because he was just explaining all these complex moves without any fundamentals so I didn't understand anything that was happening.
the first lesson was quarter nelson turn over. I feel like there should probably be a lot more introduction to movement and positions before you actually start techniques..but what do I know

also I was over weight, about 120 pounds that year, most other kids were about 85-90 pounds, so I was only allowed to work with one other kid who was big too, but everyone else could play together

then in highschool I thought about it again but by that time all the bullies who were really mean to me were on the team and I didn't want to hang around them. Be cool to take wrestling lessons as an adult though, don't ever see them anywhere

/blog

>>2276570
Try and find a catch wrestling gym my highschool didn't offer it but I got lucky and my mma coach was a wrestler who had a thing against jui jitsu guys so a lot of our techniques were intended to be used against bjj players or judoka.
Kolat's youtube channel is pretty great I think it should be on OP's list.

r/bjj if full of faggots

>>2276779
what we you expecting, people who don't love cuddling sweaty men?

>>2276779
bjj fuh leif is a cult atmosphere,

trust that 90% of them will never make it past blue belt despite dick riding so hard

>>2276881
>bjj fuh leif
what is this?

>>2276892
nvm i put it together

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>>2275276
Keep training throughout your life and don't just up and quit when you're older

>>2276469
Damn, i guess Shane was right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lleLpRRnGq8

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So I have been doing for American Kenpo Karate for about 7 years now and with the dawn of MMA and all that I want to develop and build up my skills and add new weapons into my repertoire and all that. What martial art should Iook into? Also I live in the RI/Mass area so if youhave suggested schools that would be A-1

>>2277722
Just start doing MMA. Mixing martial arts is an art of it's own. An "MMA" gym that just trains martial arts separately without any mixing lessons is just stupid bullshit if you want to use it for actual MMA.

Not everybody is up to date with the most efficient and best ways of training Mixed Martial Arts, and just training in general; you'll find a lot of bullshit out there.

>>2277803
I'm not planning on being a big time competitor, I just wanted to find something to supplement my training, but you make a good point. An MMA gym would be well rounded and I would be bringing elements from my previous training as well.

>>2277654
leave it to blacks

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>>2277722

>>2278809
Did he not score for that throw?

>>2277654
That .gif should be reposted every time some dumb anon writes bjj is good for self defence.

I just started learning Uechi-ryu Karate at a gym that one of my father friend's works at, and it's my first time learning pretty much anything sport related so I am curious if it is a good choice.

I was originally intending to learn judo instead, but since my father did karate I guess he wants me to try it too. It seems nice, but I don't really know anything about this, so I'll ask here.

Should I keep doing it? It seems to be pretty cheap like 20 euro a month, and it goes on twice a week for an hour and a half. Only about 10 people go there, the last two times I went it was more like 8.

>>2279274
It really depends, anon. Most those old karate schools are kata based and not really applicable to actually fighting. But then some of them have sparring much like Kyokushin as well as the kata.

Do they do sparring at your school? And if they do, is it full contact with narrow stances, or light contact with really wide stances?

>>2278809
BURNING HAMMER

>>2279286
It is definitely kata based, since people were doing the Sanchin, except for one or two of them that were doing something else that also involves kicks.
I don't know what the different stances mean, I just know that once the session is over, two of the members spar, but otherwise there doesn't seem to be any.
Basically the usual session seems to be warming up, then katas, then people work in pairs to attack and defend and a breathing exercise in the middle.

The problem is that I just really know nothing at all about this, but I do want to start some form of martial art, since I want a reason to get out of the house more, becauseI'm a NEET.

>>2277563
shane is never right. Does he even fight or does he just make a living being an armchair expert and publishing videos with poor instructions that might get people killed?

I'm considering learning Muay Thai for self defence, as the knees + elbow strikes look like they'd be pretty dangerous and kicking using the shin rather than the foot makes sense to me

I've only ever done karate as a kid over 8 years ago in what was pretty much a mcdojo. What can I expect?

>>2279546
>kicking using the shin rather than the foot makes sense to me
You use the foot for long range, and the shin for close range, retard.

>>2279274
As karate goes it's fine, generally more about open handed fighting so it's not gonna fare well with gloves on. Try to understand what you're doing while practicing the katas or it's useless, also it's 1000 times more useful to practice one kata 10 times rather than practicing 10 katas once
And do try to apply them into fighting or again it's not gonna be very useful, ask the teacher if he can make you spar more frequently, though of course at the start you're gonna have to learn the basics

>>2279355
If you want to have fun doing a dance with martial arts techniques, do kata.
If you want to develop more applicable skill in hand to hand combat, use those techniques in sparring.

Technique, drills, and sparring, all contribute to the development of fighting skill.

Technique is what's used in fighting.
Drills help with teaching the utilization of techniques in fighting, and drills help with developing skill in the utilization of techniques in fighting.
Sparring mostly develops skill in the application of techniques in fighting. Sparring is pretty much just fighting, but rules vary.
This is a generalization, however.

Kata focuses on the development of technique, and performing the display that is kata.
Kata may, in some ways, portray applications of techniques in fighting, but the practice of kata develops skill in application of technique very minimally compared to sparring.

In fighting, there's a combination of technique, muscle memory, reaction speed, and timing, among other things.

Technique practice helps develop muscle memory of technique.
Drills help develop muscle memory of applying technique while using reaction time and timing. Drills are what happen in certain parts of sparring and fighting.
Sparring helps by adding the factors of psychological stressors, biological elements like adrenaline which effects psychological state, among other things.

Some people could generalize it like:
Technique ties movements together.
Drills tie techniques together.
Sparring ties drills together.

>>2279546
A self defense instructor told me that elbows do less damage than punches which is weird since everyone else seems to say the contrary
You can expect to do more exercises/cardio and to practice more dangerous techniques that could lead more easily to injuries
And more evading/grappling

>>2279355
Remember to watch out from teachers who don't spar, their opinion is gonna be worth jackshit (but pretend you're listening). Also try to realize what you're NOT training, for example while point sparring you're not going to learn to deal damage, while doing katas you're not going to learn timing and distance

>>2279738

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZyIYoWY4ns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nJsti-ZzXI

>>2279756
That explains nothing, the elbow IS stronger which is probably why it deals more damage even though it doesn't have as much force behind it

>>2279763
You're shitposting, right?

>>2279718
>>2279754
Y'all are shitposting, right?

See: >>2279737

>>2279766
I pretty much said the same thing you said retard

>>2279768
You're >>2279718, right? If so, I misread your post, and was temporarily under delusion.

I'm sitting further from my computer screen today, and I haven't been sleeping well, so I've been more impulsive.

>Try to understand what you're doing while practicing the katas or it's useless
I didn't thoroughly read the post, and non-consciously skipped words, and then filled in the gaps between those words.
I read that as:
>Try to understand what you're doing while practicing kata is useless

I was an ignorant and delusional retarded fuckhead worthless piece of shit when I posted my response, it was definitely my stupid ass fucking mistake.

You're right, I was a stupid retard.

>>2279778
We're on 4chan anon, you're supposed to call me a stupid retard, not yourself

>>2279796
I'm not weak enough to kill myself over that stupid bullshit, you stupid retard.

>>2279809
That's better

>>2279738
elbows flay peoples heads open in ways punches never could

>>2279738
Elbows and knees are compact weapons and are the hardest parts of your body to hit with.

>>2279756
>human weapon
>science
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO2ztyx8qDo

>>2280183
>cherry picking
>because one little thing is wrong, every single other thing is wrong, too

>>2280270
Just shows incompetence

>>2280356
All humans are incompetent. Boxers with "perfect technique" still can't do 10,000 more perfect punches after being kept awake for 72 hours, and being forced to stay physically active for hours each day.

>>2280400
come on man, this is a fake move
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33FwaV5u8S0

when have you ever seen a double uppercut?

>>2279088
>Implying a kimura/hammerlock doesn't work standing...
Fucking civies

>>2280734
That's why Aikido is one of the best "martial" arts.

I feel guillotines work better from half guard than they do from full because you can angle to close the circle tighter

what do you think?

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Does /mag/ have one of these?

>>2280943
anyone who thinks martial arts can be put into tiers doesn't actually practice martial arts

aside from goju, but that's really the only tier
its basically goju > everything else

>>2280943

>>2281000
>not doing shit for the gigs
this is part of the reason why old /asp/ died

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>>2281049
shieeeeet

>>2281053
10/10

>>2279374
If you're talking about the fight tips guy, he has videos of his amateur boxing bouts on his youtube channel

>>2281266
I see, so he's basically a hobbyist level boxer

I don't like that he's trying to teach things he doesn't know
>that tomoe nage video

>>2278485
For all the time this flow chart has been around I still don't understand why Sanda is a separate entry from KungFu, why it has the mention "Do you hate yourself ?" .

>>2280799
They work best at an angle, but generally the best position is
>head trapped on your [right]
>[left] leg over opponent's body
>[right] leg with knee high and out on the [right] and foot still [left] of his body

>>2281477
Because the kung fu on the chart is specifically taolu meme shit and sanda is distinct from it. Similar to how kyokushin is distinct from karate on the chart.

>>2281053
>Wu tier has a guy that looks like Wu
Kek. I really wish that guy was around. I'd love to fight him.

>>2277654
lol jitz-lets. when will they learn

>>2280799
Thats a darce/brabo choke. You have to be near MG tier to make the guillotine work from there easy and cosistently, or have shitty partners to roll with.

>>2279737
>If you want to have fun doing a dance with martial arts techniques, do kata.
>If you want to develop more applicable skill in hand to hand combat, use those techniques in sparring.
You're missing the point of kata and I've talked about this in detail before
>https://archive.nyafuu.org/asp/thread/2055457/#2077717
>https://archive.nyafuu.org/asp/thread/2055457/#2078907
>https://archive.nyafuu.org/asp/thread/2055457/#2079724
>https://archive.nyafuu.org/asp/thread/2055457/#2079752

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>>2281518
what if i told you that good kung fu schools that teach both taolu and sanda in the same curriculum?

>>2281518
kyokushin is meme shit in different ways

>>2282229
I think that's too generalized to be helpful.
When someone creates a kata he obviously has a group of actions he has in mind he finds helpful to train, though the lack of weapons meant that if someone were more proficient at hand-fighting than you were he could break into your house, not to mention if he was better than the police (who were allowed to have weapons but to a small degree).
A responsibility falls on you when one of your students/onlookers kills some family member of someone you know, or even one of your own family members with something you taught.
Meanings were passed to trusted old students or reliable family members who kept the tradition going. Nowadays empty hand fighting is not nearly as crucial as it was in past okinawa so some teachers start to open up.
This guy is the best example I've ever seen of what you can get out of good kata explanation https://youtu.be/Jdx5EWuxUs0?t=20s

But before someone points it out, the techniques are simple self-defense, old karate has never been about tournament fighting and of course if you look at it from an mma standpoint you may find them unusable, what these techniques were for are burglars and trouble-makers.
And it should be explained that for you to reverse engineer workable applications you have to already be proficient at fighting, not to mention it's not going to teach you anything since you made it up yourself, so there's little point beyond "getting better at reverse engineering katas" which is a skill that's not going to help you in a fight.
What you have to do is look at multiple teachers' opinion, cherrypick the best, and if you can, look at older versions of the kata so that changes become clear and you can get an idea of what went behind the specific step.

This is repetitive but a technique doesn't have to be some deadly ninja noscope, wrong concepts they had 100 years ago are still going to be wrong today and that's where modern karate practice comes in.

>>2275222
since there seems to be no point of making a thread about my question, and how bad /asp/ has turned into when wrestling was added, i'll just ask here.
do any of you ever feel that if you go to some other gym, you're betraying the previous gym and coach you used to go to?

>>2282674
it's unprofessional
there are valid reasons and non valid reasons

a valid reason is the class scheduling doesn't work for you
a non valid reason for example, someone left to try and start their own academy, some students left with him, turns out it was complete shit, the students that left came crawling back 2 months later asking if they could rejoin

>>2282691
ok

>>2282229
>You're missing the point of Kata.
The point of kata varies between individual schools, individual people, and the point of Kata has changed over time.

You've also failed to comprehend the post.

It's like you just read that sentence, and then got so emotionally worked up that you didn't read the rest of the post.

>>2282219
With a few simple grip and leg position adjustments, guillotines from half guard are both easy and efficient.

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It's never too late to start Parkour.

You could start doing parkour today.

You could start doing parkour right now.

JoggingForBeginners - Jogging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0rS43ocutI

Darrick Ware - Sprint Form Analysis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZaneGIbiSI

Teach PE - How to Improve your Long Jump Technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v9p5jBN_Hg

LaFlairParkour - Speed Vault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1DR9UxkNIE

Ozzi Quintero - Kong Vault
youtube.com/watch?v=QXH7FHfMCH0

Ozzi Quintero - Slap Out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBs4NABgR6U

Ozzi Quintero - Parkour Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6I1J0zmE7U

Levi Meeuwenberg - Parkour Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JoBLxFKkbM

Ozzi Quintero - Wall Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNNEhjxg-w0

ParkourScience - Wall Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuruwazmpI8

ParkourScience - Landing and Impact - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNdVJABkc3c

ParkourScience - Landing and Impact - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXR-MRdRVI

ParkourScience - Parkour Roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvlAl0TVrsE

>>2282979
parkour isn't a martial art, it's a flow art. restart /pkg/ if you have the content

>>2282984
It's the French martial art of running away.

>>2282984
>parkour isn't a martial art, it's a flow art.
Elaborate.

>restart /pkg/ if you have the content
That'd be silly because Parkour is a martial art.

>>2282994
>>2283015
martial arts are combative in nature, they are all based from conflict (even if there are those that have drifted). the main concept of parkour is traveling from point A to point B in the quickest and most efficient method possible, which has no intent of conflict.

>>2283037
Martial arts are a form of self defense. Martial arts are offensive in nature, but they are also defensive in nature. Offense, as well as defense, have bases in conflict. The most common and popular concept of Parkour is traveling form point A to point B in the quickest and most efficient method possible.
That popular concept of Parkour is just more general.

That same general concept is the same of martial arts. Martial arts have that same concept, but sometimes put in more specific ways.

Concepts of Parkour include dedication, hard work, efficiency, speed, power, endurance, flow, among other things.
How can you say that martial arts are not the same?
They are the same, Parkour and martial arts are one in the same.

>>2283074
>using a lot of words to say nothing
concepts of football include dedication, hard work, efficiency, speed, power, endurance and flow, yet i think we can all agree that football isn't a martial art. parkour is a great training tool for a martial artist, but that fact alone does not make parkour a martial art.

>>2283099
You miss how Parkour is also used for self defense.
Football is a game rooted in games. Parkour, martial arts, they're rooted in practical applications of defense and movement.

>>2283108
running away isn't defensive, it's avoiding conflict
>also it could be said that football is based on warfare skirmishes

>>2283119
Humans get bored and play with balls. It's just one of many ball games.

Kicks, punches, throws, submissions, these things are offense.

Blocks, parries, evasions, head movement, this is defense.
Parkour is like one complex evasion.

Defense is just avoiding conflict, especially head movement and evasion.
Stepping back, head movement, side stepping, this is all avoiding conflict.

If Parkour is not defense but avoiding conflict, only blocks and parries are real defense.
Head movement is not defense. Footwork is not defense.

>>2283037
it's a joke that it's a french martial art because it's about running away. The operative word being french
that joke went over a lot of peoples heads and now they think it actually qualifies as one

>>2283130
>that joke went over a lot of peoples heads and now they think it actually qualifies as one

>despite people joking about it, the fact that Parkour is actually a martial art, went right over my head

>>2283130
this

>>2283123
if a traceur gets cornered and they don't have an escape route, how will they be able to use parkour to defend themselves? martial arts are a combination of offensive and defensive movements, stop trying to put parkour into a category that it doesn't fall under.

>>2283140
>if a traceur gets cornered and they don't have an escape route, how will they be able to use parkour to defend themselves?
If a boxer gets mounted and has his arms tied up, how will he be able to defend himself? If Brazilian Jiu-jitsu practitioner can't get into the range of a Kickboxer to do any BJJ, how will he defend himself?

>martial arts are a combination of offensive and defensive movements
Yes.
Not all martial arts are a combination of offensive and defensive movements.
A martial art would still be a martial art if it only had offensive movements.
A martial art would still be a martial art if it only had defensive movements.

Stop trying to withhold Parkour from a category that it does in fact fall under.

Does change scare you? Does change make your uncomfortable? Does change make you feel negative emotions? That's okay, because most humans are like that. Most humans don't like change.

Does it make you upset that someone is showing you that your beliefs could be wrong?

Do you want to keep feeling like you're right? Do you want to keep thinking that you're right?
It feels good to be right, doesn't it?

It feels bad to find out that you're wrong about something, doesn't it?

It's expected from an animal to want to protect good feelings, and prevent bad feelings.

But as humans, we have intellect that's beyond that of the other species on this planet.
We can be logical and seek truth, despite what our emotions may have us think, despite what our emotions may have us do.

>>2283192
now i know you're just trolling

the bjj practitioner would have to first have to get past a boxers defenses to obtain mount. if a bjj practitioner can't get within range, they have not been taught how to setup properly, which has nothing to do with the art itself.

name a martial art that is all offense or all defense

i have no problem with being wrong, or having people with different beliefs challenge me. i've been training for over a decade, i used to think that bjj was to specialized of an art but now want to start training in it once i have the means. instead of trying to use circular logic that doesn't prove your point that parkour is a martial art, please attack my arguments instead.

>>2283212
>now i know you're just trolling
You really don't.

>>2283212
A martial art is a means of self defense. What that art includes is irrelevant. Parkour is a means of self defense, therefore Parkour is a martial art.
All the discussion of specifics is irrelevant, despite all of your arguments.

I just create a martial art called: Fuck You, Faggot; You're Delusional.

This martial art's stance is exactly like an Orthodox Boxing stance, but the middle finger knuckle of the front hand should be at a level right below one's chin.
The rear hand's middle finger knuckle should be a fist's length lower than the lead hand, it would not be FYFYD stance without this detail.

The techniques include:
- a punch like Boxing's cross, but you don't turn your wrist.
- The Front Push Kick, which is only ever done with the rear leg
- A backfist only ever done with the lead hand
- A front snap kick only ever done with the lead leg

The footwork allows for switching stances. One of the key aspects of this the footwork, however, is that you cannot step to the side, and you cannot step back. You can only switch stances, and you can only move forward.

>>2283212
>>2283212
>A martial art is a means of self defense.
Actually, a martial art is a means of self defense in which the defender uses one's body to defend one's self, but isn't limited to the use of tools, and isn't limited to the use of one's environment.

>>2283212
>>2283227
If you add a block to FYFYD, it's no longer FYFYD, but a hybrid art.
If you add some kind of evasive maneuvers of one's head in order to defend against strikes, it's no longer FYFYD, but a hybrid art.
If you circle your opponent when you fight while using FYFYD, you're no longer using FYFYD, but a hybrid art.
If you step back to defend yourself against an attack while using FYFYD, you're not longer using FYFYD, but a hybrid art.

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>anon is getting this ass-blasted because a discipline about moving over terrain isn't a martial art

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>anon getting this ass-blasted because a discipline about moving over terrain is a martial art

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>>2283252
you're not even trying anymore m8
the general concensus is that it is a discipline, not a martial art:
https://www.quora.com/Is-Parkour-a-type-of-Martial-arts
http://americanparkour.com/news/martial-arts-vs-parkour/
http://martialarts.stackexchange.com/questions/2223/which-martial-art-is-most-closely-related-to-parkour/2224
http://americanparkour.com/smf/index.php?topic=41942.0
http://www.flipyeahparkour.com/2012/01/parkour-is-not-a-sport/

>inb4 you just read the first few posts of the threads

>>2283351
>the general concensus
Doesn't mean shit. The general consensus used to be that the earth was flat, that didn't make it true.

It doesn't matter how many retards say something how many times, if it's bullshit, it's bullshit.

>>2283351
>The general consensus
The general consensus was that you shouldn't short the housing market.
All these people, all their friends, all their family, all their friends of friends, all the family of family, all the friends of family, they all thought that it was completely ridiculous to short the housing market.

But guess what the truth was, despite all these people agreeing that it was stupid to short the housing market? Guess what the truth was, despite the GENERAL CONSENSUS being that it was stupid to short the housing market?

THE FUCKING FINANCIAL CRISIS OF 2007-8 FUCKING HAPPENED, THAT'S WHAT!

THE GENERAL CONSENSUS WAS IGNORANT AND DELUSIONAL HORSE SHIT THAT WAS COMPLETELY FUCKING WRONG BULLSHIT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxjdj5_5yNM

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>>2283374
>>2283379
>>2283407
>>2283408
>>2283410

stop replying to him you faggots

>>2283527
y tho

>>2282359
And there are good krav maga schools, but they are the exception rather than the rule. The chart generalizes all martial arts, not just kung fu. Don't get your jimmies rustled over it.

>can't nail seoi nage in randori despite 6+ years of Judo
>shoulder throw everyone during no gi

So easy to sneak your shoulder under theirs without the break pad pyjamas.

>>2284040
>there are good krav maga schools
lets not get crazy here

>>2284806
That one of Fight Quest looked pretty decent.

>>2284040
that's fair and the chart is for lulz
>>2284806
one of my instructors is originally from israel and i'm pretty sure he's ex-military
>his first class he taught as a black belt was rfd style scenarios

>>2284814
>krav maga was developed before world war 2 to help the jewish people defend themselves against the nazis
well you can see how that turned out. Truly it is the greatest of all fighting styles
I honestly wish people would stop the meme that jews are good fighters. They are the biggest combat losers in history. They get cock slapped and driven out of everywhere they live.

it's literally just compliant drilling and shark tank exercises. if you're a soldier and you got yourself into a fist fight you fucked up somewhere a long time ago

>>2282741
>The point of kata varies between individual schools, individual people, and the point of Kata has changed over time.
>You've also failed to comprehend the post.
>It's like you just read that sentence, and then got so emotionally worked up that you didn't read the rest of the post.
I don't necessarily disagree. But the literally of the main proven overall points of Kata in martial arts, and like what I pointed out in the links in my post; is to introduce students to utilizing their basics along with stances and movement and to incorporate those basics in set patterns starting with simple ones and going on from there. That anon even begins to go that exact point here
>Kata focuses on the development of technique, and performing the display that is kata.
But to claim
>If you want to have fun doing a dance with martial arts techniques, do kata.
>If you want to develop more applicable skill in hand to hand combat, use those techniques in sparring.
or
>Kata may, in some ways, portray applications of techniques in fighting, but the practice of kata develops skill in application of technique very minimally compared to sparring.
Is not only disingenuous, it's wrong and shows a simpleminded separation of forms, basics, techniques and sparring; or in other words and especially reference to Karate: Kihon, Kata and Kumite. All three of which are known as Karate's three basics and build upon each other, adding to your skills that will be used in sparring and potentially in an actual fight. "Without the basics, there is no Karate" isn't just a phrase for no reason; and basics being an integral part of a style and key to building up skills you will use in sparring/fights holds up not just for Karate but for all martial arts, whether armed or unarmed.
Those statements also do, like I said miss the point of Kata.
>(cont.)

>>2284910
>>2282741
>(cont.)
Though I will say I should have posted my first argument in the thread I linked
>https://archive.nyafuu.org/asp/thread/2055457/#2077172
before the other links. Also for someone saying I failed to comprehend the post and that I didn't read the rest of it, it sure looks like youd did the same and just ignored where >>2279737 was wrong. Because not only does that anon make spurious statements about kata, he even gets wrong his own generalization are in his post.
These
>Technique is what's used in fighting.
>Drills help with teaching the utilization of techniques in fighting, and drills help with developing skill in the utilization of techniques in fighting.
>Sparring mostly develops skill in the application of techniques in fighting. Sparring is pretty much just fighting, but rules vary.
>Technique ties movements together.
>Drills tie techniques together.
>Sparring ties drills together.
Are correct and not even on the level of being generalizations. He actually has these right.
Also by extension these aren't either
>Technique, drills, and sparring, all contribute to the development of fighting skill.
>In fighting, there's a combination of technique, muscle memory, reaction speed, and timing, among other things.
>Technique practice helps develop muscle memory of technique.
>Drills help develop muscle memory of applying technique while using reaction time and timing. Drills are what happen in certain parts of sparring and fighting.
>Sparring helps by adding the factors of psychological stressors, biological elements like adrenaline which effects psychological state, among other things.
His statements about Kata however are generalizations; and massive, glaring ones at that
>>2282548
I don't disagree with what you've said but,
>I think that's too generalized to be helpful.
My point still stands

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>>2284951

>>2285026
What are you even attempting to imply with that image. Are you rebutting what I've said? or no

What's the fastest way to develop endurance? I just started doing kickboxing and even though I'm reasonably fit by the end of my first session I really felt like puking and I'd rather it didn't happen again.

>>2285158
eat healthy and keep working hard, when you're training at home push yourself harder and take longer breaks

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>>2285127
I and probably everybody else are not reading the text walls

>>2285199
So the only thing you're saying is that you're not going to read

>>2284831
>it's literally just compliant drilling and shark tank exercises.
If you saw that episode you'd know it has a lot of aliveness and a lot of sparring.

>>2285391
I did. there really wasnt sparring, it was all shark tank and showing you have guts. In fact I noticed a number of times whenever doug or jimmy (both of which kinda suck) started winning, the coaches would stop them and reset the fight or add a new rule so they wouldn't be winning anymore. Jewish tricks at their finest

for real though the best metric for determining how good a martial art is, is if the guys did well in their fights or not. It's no mystery why the krav fight was 10 v 1, because either of them would blow out any of those krav fighters 1 v1

>>2285199
It's not a wall of text, you just have negative emotional associations related to reading text.
It's a landscapes of text, with interesting mineral, beautiful plants, and geological elements, with all of the small and intricate details contributing to the beauty of the lend.

>>2285480
Nah it is a wall of text, you could have written your point with 1/4 of the words

>>2285498
I didn't type and post the "walls" of text, faggot.

>>2285158
You will feel like puking again and much much worse, believe me.
Regarding cardio, running is best cardio.
Do it smart. Plan your run and goals. Start with liss then hiit. Good running technique -a b c skip- google it. Always warm up. Strech afterward.

>>2275222
seriously, what happened to this board?
there used to be so many martial arts threads, and most of them were about different disciplines.
now you can't even find a Chinese checkers general thread.
did hiroyuki really ruined this board by adding wrestling to Alternative Sports?
i mean this board is almost as bad as /trash/.

>>2285972
>almost as bad as /trash/
Now lets not get crazy now. The level of shitposting may be, but that's a bit much.

>>2285972
I try to encourage making varied threads about martial arts to get it going again but they die too fast and by now no one in their right mind would check the general for them
Yes, he's a fucking faggot, he was confronted about it multiple times, said he'd do something about it and it's still like this.

>>2286001
check the catalog*

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>>2285972
/asp/ used to be able to moderate itself, but with the addition of mandrama without proper and objective moderation they overflowed and claim the board is theirs. reporting too many cancer posts can the one mod gets mad

>>2285995
sorry, i just miss the old /asp/

>>2278340
>this
Have worked in bars as a bouncer and have never once seen just 1 black guy get in a fight - it might start out that way, but it wont end that way.

>>2282994
>underrated post

have any you guys ever just quit or stop doing martial arts for whatever your reason is, but then later on, it seems like the world is giving you signs telling you to go back to doing martial arts?

>>2288082
i haven't had that exact experience, but it seems almost the opposite for me. i keep pushing myself but always seem to get injured or sick. i just had an mri and a neurologist set up an appointment for this week, so hopefully i'll finally have answers and figure out how to stick to my training.

>>2288082
>seems like the world is telling you
I know the world isn't telling me jack shit.

>>2288417
>>2288358
then i guess it's just me then

>>2288514
Maybe a part of you is telling you that you should start doing martial arts again.

How can I increase my work rate for sparring/competition? I don't really tend to do combos that much or if I do it's not really fluent since I rely on stopping power most of the time.

I'm like 150lbs and my coach keeps telling it's not a very good style for someone so light and agile. But strong 1 2's and rear leg kicks are my bread and butter.

>>2288568
Work more pad drilling til combos come natural.

Duane Ludwig and Bazooka Joe's youtube channels have a lot of good mitt drills for kickboxing.

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What to do if you have horrible cracked, fissure covered, dry, callused feet? I don't want to gross people out with them, but nothing works to fix them.

>>2288728
Wear foots wraps until you fix your feet?

>>2288728
Post them.

>>2288766
N-No.

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>>2288800
If you're that worried, wear foot wraps or socks if possible and go to the doctor and try and fix it. Also checked.

>>2288568
Just do it. It's good to have habits to help you along, but you should consciously be I control.

>>2288082
you mean like when a guy cranks your neck during practice and herniates a disk so you end up with a pinched nerve that causes vertigo and migraines so you have to quit doing any kind of activities what so ever and so you gain 70 pounds and get a job in a bank because working in the gym is too much for you to handle in your condition and then you start to feel a bit better a few years later and you hate your job anyway so you decide to give it another shot since its the only thing you have ever been good at except then you realize you were never really that good at it after all and the only thing you had going for you was being a fit 19 year old but now you're an obese 26 year old that quit a good paying job for nothing and your girlfriend leaves you because you are irresponsible and unreliable to do something so stupid like that where you can barely manage to pull down 10 hours a week for peanuts teaching lessons and spent your savings entering fights to try and win prize money but never actually won any

yeah

>>2289294
Sounds like you really needed to rant. Let it all out. Then go train.

What do you guys think of this shill?
I'm subbed to him by email. It's free and he has a lot of videos only to his subbers

https://www.youtube.com/user/FightSmartTrav

Anyone know where to get ringside gloves with white knuckles? I want to get them in 10oz for my first set of competition gloves and the white front looks really nice.

>>2282674
No. I have my main gym to train in, and I supplement it with other gyms too. My coach knows about it and sometimes joins me.

No decent gym should ever care if you visit other places, the ones that say you're breaking some kind of loyalty pact by doing so should be avoided.

>>2277654
fuckin niggers cant just let someone fight

>>2289294
Damn anon. I'm pulling for you.

>>2288568
Hello me

>>2289294
>entering fights to try and win prize money
Where do you find these?

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>Muay Thai fags whishing their art was as good as Goju Karate

http://usfweb2.usf.edu/CampusRec/SportClubs/clubs.html

Here's a list of sports clubs in my school, which of the martial arts on here would get me the most in shape?

>>2292786
isn't the bearded fellow a boxer? i usually see this titled as boxer

>>2293283
that combat sports club looks like it could be legit

>>2293682
Holy fuck tho it's from 10 pm to 12 am

>>2293283
In this order, combat sports, judo, jiu jitsu. Looks like the combat sports class has open sparring as part of the class, which means it is probably legit.
The judo class is legit enough to have people in the class that are active in tournaments, so you can expect it to be legit, and judo tournament competitors are generally swol with good cardio.
The jitz class looks kinda meme because they don't mention competition, and do mention that this class is a safe space.

>>2284158
What are you struggling with in seoi nage when in the gi?

>>2293294
I think the gif names around here get changed up for different effects.

>>2294866
Nothing in particular, just one of those throws that never clicked - can do any variation just fine technically, including left, left on right grip, reverse etc. - until I started nailing it in no-gi out of the blue. A bit strange, but quite enjoyable.

Is it just me, or are guys who brings their girlfriends to the gym the worst sparring partners? It always seems to me like they pair up with guys at least two weight classes below them and then go HAM 200% in an attempt to show off.

>>2295959
>not sacrificing their romantic and sex lives for the gym
and they have the nerve to call themselves martial artists!

>>2295959
one time a guy brought his girlfriend and she sat on the side of the mat drinking beer

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So can we agree that the standard self defense martial arts are amateur wrestling and boxing?

cheap and effective

>>2297011
If you are in high school. If you are a grown ass adult, it is judo and boxing.

>>2298052
judo is too hard on the bod. Everyone I know who plays judo has joint and back problems, and it's from playing judo. You kick your own ass harder than it would get kicked if you got into a fight and didn't know what you are doing

>>2298100
And everyone that does boxing has brane damage. What's your point?

is it possible to learn at home? at least some basics?

>>2298120
short answer: no

>>2298120
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

No, the actual sport isn't learning the moves it's sparring with the moves and building reflexive responses and such. Also you need a coach to look at what you're doing wrong and correct you, because it's practically guaranteed that you're going to fuck something up.

>>2298114
Fuark 4 years of boxing, I forgot you get brain damge

>>2298137
>>2298129

Ah ok, what do you look for before joining a gym - especially as an adult. Any red flags?

>>2298141
http://www.teamusa.org/usa-boxing/membership/find-a-club

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Clubs.aspx

>pick possible options based off of location and price
>compare the time you're allowed to train and coach's credentials

As long as the place is clean and has a decent competitive environment you'll be fine

>>2298152

Hey man thanks, I really appreciate this. Looking to get off my ass and do something besides the regular gym

>>2298154
good luck, remember to let injuries heal if there's no wrestling in your area do Judo. If you want Muay Thai, or BJJ then you'll have to find places on your own.

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Judo/About-Us/Find-A-Club

So I'm thinking of joining the wrestling club at my college but a) I'll be a senior next year b) im out of shape and c) I'll be somewhat new to wrestling, should I still try or can I?

>>2298378
sure theres no harm in trying

>>2298100
No harder than wrestling. All my joint problems come from strength training, Judo rarely injures me.

>>2298378
That's exactly what I did and it's been a life changing experience. Expect to get your fucking ass kicked though and stay humble. If you're motivated, you'll see results and improve.

Should I stop doing karate and pick up judo instead? I don't like the striking and katas bore me, but my father set me up to go to this place when I told him I wanted to do martial arts, judo in particular, and I'd feel bad to quit after going only twice. At the same time, I doubt that continued attendance will get me to enjoy it any more.
I'm doing uechi ryu karate, if it that's relevant.

>>2298100
That's not a fault of Judo. That's the fault of the dojo.

In Judo, there are three parts of training, Kata, Randori and Shiai. If your dojo does nothing but Shiai, then you can expect to get injured. If your dojo does nothing but Kata, injuries are pretty much non-existent.

A good dojo will have a good mix of learning new technique through kata and training for competition. If you are doing two competitions a year, injury season is only two months out of the year, and you won't blow out your joints and get overly fucked up.

I'm not going to discount the fact that there are judo instructors that don't know how to teach, so they focus only on tournament and injury season is year-round, but that is just a shitty dojo.

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>>2298769
If you like Judo better then just tell your dad. Find a good school and visit and if you like what you see there, attend. If you decidedly don't like Karate and know it's not for you, doing more Karate isn't going to make you like it more.

>>2297011
It's kickboxing and judo.

>>2298465
>>2298772
let me tell you why I hate going to judo class even though I think the sport is fun. It's too intense
uchikomi is done to completion, and then it's all randori all the time. Karate kumite style, one guy stands in the middle and a fresh guy gets thrown at him every 1 minute until he's fought the whole club, so by the 3rd guy you're just getting gratuitously punished.
the floors are so damn hard, it's concreted with quarter inch plywood and faux tatami on them and that's it.

everybody is all banged up, has their knees in braces, fingers and toes taped, there's always a few sitting out because their backs or necks are too fucked to play.
I hate it!

this is why I like going to jiujitsu class more, just get to roll around and not get hurt so much

>>2298120

Is it possible? Yes.

Is it very difficult and requiring a very large amount of effort, knowledge, attention to detail, for a large majority of the human population based on the current state of the world? Yes.

>>2298120
>>2298137

>Also you need a coach to look at what you're doing wrong and correct you, because it's practically guaranteed that you're going to fuck something up.
If you're stupid. You need to know what to look for, and then you just need to look at yourself.
It's 2017, we have high definition cameras, we have big ass TVs and monitors, we have programs that can black back things at slower than 0.25x speed, we can pause, we can highlight, we can make images larger, we even have VR.

If you're a lazy piece of shit who doesn't give enough of a damn to pay closer attention to detail, if you're a piece of shit who can't put in a little more effort, then okay, you're going to fuck something up.

>>2298137
>>2298913
>>2298120
If you're a fuckhead who can't even learn what to look for in the fist place, you've already fucked up.

The problem is stupid, lack of knowledge, and greedy mother fuckers not wanting to help spread martial arts knowledge for free.

Martial arts teachers all over the world already know good technique, they post a video of a perfect Jab technique, and break down every single detail, and relate it to biomechanics, with slow motion, with still frames with highlighted areas, with details written for the highlighted areas, but they don't.
They don't because they're stupid, because they lack knowledge, and because they're greedy .

>>2298100
Only serious injuries I've gotten from Judo were from competition. The ones I sustain during training are both rare and hardly worth mentioning.

>>2298836
Your judo school sounds like complete shit.

I've been to a few schools as well as gone to the club-level tournaments, and they at least have the tatamis that are actually made for judo, if not they have those dollamur roll-out judo mats. There are a couple with the floated floor, and those are the best.
Normally if your club is randori all day every day, it is a sign that your sensei doesn't know how to teach.
Given, randori is an important part of judo, but if you are not doing directed learning on a variety of techniques, then it becomes one big sensei ego blowjob.
The best schools I have been to start the class with uchikomi to warm up, then spend about 30 minutes going over a specific kata or technique, and then do the rest of the class doing randori that is designed to practice what you just learned. The only time they go into hard kumite style shit is the couple of weeks before tournaments, but the class right before tournament is light because you want to be fully healed and rested for battle.
That said, there are 67 take-downs and even more ne-waza techniques, so even if you have an instructor going deep on one technique every week, it will literally take years to cover everything. Doing all randori all the time means you will spend years learning a handful of techniques with a high amount of injuries. It isn't the sport or the art that sucks, it is your class and the instructor.

>>2298970
he's usja certified 3rd degree, but by his own admission he's good at playing the sport, but he's bad at judo. He's a stocky bull that shitcans people because it's like wrestling a hippo. The club is actually very active and successful competitively, the guys that are good have 2 or 3 moves they are excellent at and just hit those all day.

>even if you have an instructor going deep on one technique every week
lol! so the way it works is the moves are all listed on the wall. You have to know a certain amount of them for each belt. There isn't a group instruction really, its people picking a technique off the list themselves and working on it.
everybody is doing something different

>>2276469
>the black girl wearing a bikini

>>2299390
>>he's usja certified 3rd degree, but by his own admission he's good at playing the sport, but he's bad at judo. He's a stocky bull that shitcans people because it's like wrestling a hippo.
Goddamn I hate when I have to play a person that is built like a fire hydrant in a tournament. We have a similar BB that comes to our club. He is a 5th dan who got his BB strictly through shiai at the kodokan while he was stationed in japan. While we are in pre-tournament mode, he is a great asset that helps us train, but when we are actually developing skills, he is the worst person to have around.
Does he have any coaching certifications? How about Heads-Up concussion training? CPR? First Aid? Safe-Sport? Any USA Judo certifications?
>>so the way it works is the moves are all listed on the wall. You have to know a certain amount of them for each belt. There isn't a group instruction really, its people picking a technique off the list themselves and working on it.
>>everybody is doing something different
That sounds like hell. Are all 67 techniques on the wall, or is it just the gokyo no waza? Also, are the Katame Waza techniques part of the list, or is it just stand-up? What about the different Ukemi forms? Are the Katas listed?
If it were me, I would just look up techniques on youtube and drill them at home with a partner and then clean it up in your class, but it doesn't sound like learning the complete judo curriculum is something that would happen if you were to just show up to class and do your best every day.

>>2299452
all the techniques are up there

people only do kata once they get to brown belt so they can pass the black belt certification exam the association has. People practice the kata for the purpose of passing the kata test, not for knowing the kata

this is not a man that wanted to be a career judo instructor. This isn't even his day job.
he just likes judo and wanted a place to train because there aren't many around, so he bought a store and opened it

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Is this how it would go down?

Muay Thai vs Taekwondo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1YSSnGHCkI

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>>2299619
>was going to laugh and say no
>instead will laugh and say yes

>>2299619
at what belt does your attacks sound like fwoosh swoosh schunk? I am only orang ebelt

>>2279308
kek

>>2299619
>actually watching manlets fight
when will they ever learn?

>>2299559
Better than nothing I guess. The BJJ school around here is like that, because the head 'instructor' just wanted a place to keep training. It sucked in the same way that your judo place sucks. Some good players, but tons of injuries and poor mats.
A couple of the purple belts ended up taking over a couple of classes, turning them into a 'fundamentals' class, and did fundraisers to get something better than the puzzle mats that they were using. Now the place is a safe place to train, and the crappy crap from the head teacher is minimized by the involved purple belts.
Maybe your brown belts should take some initiative and build a better program.

>>2277654
That's why you don't bring it to the ground

>>2300159
That's why you bring it to the ground.

>>2300382
If you go to the ground, his friends can kick you just as easily as your friends can kick him.

>>2275222
does this general have it's own discord?

>>2300477
Does humanity have it's own discord?

>>2300502
actually it does, but all they post there is cat videos

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i know this is stupid to say, and i know it's stupid, but are drop kicks legal in mma?

>>2300693
Don't think so, but they're hard to land. Too slow, too easy to see them coming.

>started doing shotokan karate when I was 14 >after 3 years, head trainer's assistants told me that black belt was only time matter for me
>won 3 gold and 2 silver medals
>was very promising
>mom decided to move
>changes cities 3 times
>never started again
Now I'm 22 and just lift at gym. Anyone has similar experience? I think about going back(for the black belt desu) more and more but I don't even remember katas I won gold on. I checked out photos on the local club and pictures of 12 year olds fucking scare me. They're higher grade and skill than me. What do?

>>2301193
they also don't hurt at all, you'd just be pushed

>>2300693
1min mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywXWaZv5I0U

>>2301320
Don't die before you accomplish your dreams.

>>2301320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB5LcFNLZk0

>>2301582
butterbean sure is a big wall of fat

>>2299768
At the batman belt.

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so i got this question i want to ask.
it's kinda about how jon jones does his controversial oblique kick, but it's more about a kick i did in sparring once.
now this kick i did isn't really like how jon does it, but how i did it, is that i would do this fake kick where my opponent would raise his leg, and then with the same leg i used to do the fake kick, i'd use the heel of my foot to hit the medial side of where knee is, and the result seen looked pretty painful, but i'm guessing it's cause i hit some nerve there.
i'd like some thoughts and opinions on it.
dangerous?
stupid?
douchey?

>>2301691
>fake kick where my opponent would raise his leg
What does that fake look like?

What you've described in your post seems like the way Jon Jones does his kick.

If your kick does differ, in what ways does it differ?

>>2301320
don't worry about the forms, they'll come back. if you really want it just go for it
>>2301691
by fake do you mean just going to a proper crane first? the kick jones uses in that gif is quick and hurt cumulatively, but you couldn't get your opponent of center with it. if you chamber that kick you can destroy a persons knee

>>2301779
>>2301720
it's kinda hard for me to explain, i might have to draw an illustration of it.
but it's more like i'm trying to get him to react defensively to the kick, maybe he's thinking that i'm going to kick him in the leg or thigh, so he lifts his leg up to block, but i just simply just lifted my leg to make it look like a kick, and then quickly extend my leg to hit the medial side of his knee of the leg that he's using to block.

>>2301691
the knee stomp is a dick move. I don't think I would do that to anyone even in a competition. I'd do it in real life against an attacker all day though

>>2301969
it's not really a stomp i'm doing, it's like a horizontal axe kick.

>>2299619
>Is this how it would go down?
>Muay Thai vs Taekwondo
More like this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPNoGhdhKyw

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>>2276505
>>2280943
>>2281053
/mag/ also needs one of these

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Do you have what it takes to fight cactus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHSJCMkUa9Y

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>>2302081
>trying to fight nature
why?

>>2302091
Because as humans, we are at constant war with ourselves, and we are but a part of nature.

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>>2302132
This is just the rough draft. I plan on working on the stick-art, next.

>>2302135
[redacted] should be pipebombs, but everything else is on point

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>>2302135
wouldn't it be this?

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>>2302135
Doesn't make sense. Stuff on the left should be pure form based stuff like hapkido, karate, aikido, etc. Next should be theory fighting but never put in practice, like krav maga, wing Chun and ninjitsu, next should be sport based arts with full sparring, like judo, wrestling, Turkish oil wrasslin, boxing and tkd. Then you should have the ones that everyone uses in MMA, like bjj, muay Thai, sambo, kickboxing and sanda.

Ameridote should be far right. All other martial arts are bullshit.

does anyone have that image where there's six martial arts listed and which one's compliment the other?

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>>2301936
It sounds like a Valeri-geri, just aimed at the side of the knee rather than the thigh..

>>2302298
The cross?

>>2302301
It's used in wing chun and I saw a cop calling it a "T kick" who took it from naihanchi

>>2302311
don't know, on one side there's 3 striking martial arts and on the other side there;s 3 grappling martial arts

lids, I'm thinking of going back to BJJ again. I did it for a couple of months like 2 years ago but then I fucked up my neck/back and had to stop going for a bit. Then I got lazy and didn't come back.

thinking of going to a new place

http://www.londonshootfighterseast.com/

before i went to a 10th planet gym nearby, its was pretty good but a bit small/dirty and I think I need a more traditional approach at the start anyway.

>>2302363
>dirty
sounds like you were already getting an authentic brazilian experience

>>2302450
kek, it wasn't too bad just a bit rundown

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>>2302347
The Holy Crosstrain shows us that the path to martial redemption is to train in both striking and grappling arts. It does not matter which arts that fill your personal faith, but rather the quality of their instruction. Believe in the crosstrain, for you will become a capable fighter under its guidance.

>>2302482
oh ok thanks.
it's not really this image though.

>>2302587
i know which one your talking about, i just never saved it when it used to be posted
>the arms are red and the disciplines on each side are in black

>>2302597
it's alright, that was posted like 2 years ago

>>2302603
If I remember right it was something like judo, wrestling, bjj on the grappling side with sambo as an extension with someth8ng else. I think the striking side had boxing, mhay thai, andaybe kyokushin, and again the only extension I remember there maybe being is savate. Someone might still have it, and I'll look for it but I don't know if the archive goes that far back.

>>2302699
Christ I typed like someone having a stroke.

>>2301936
>hit the medial side of his knee
>hit his knee

It doesn't matter the name or technique, striking knees is a dick move. We used to train knee kicks, but employing them in fights and sparring was discouraged. Is kind of fun that we could KO each other while fighting, but we weren't supposed to strike sensible areas, which included knees.

>>2301582
Remember when MMA was fun?

>>2275222
it's now been a year of me just sitting on my fatass and being a sad sack of shit.
felt like three.
it's time for me to go back to doing martial arts.

>>2303951
ok

>still only 2 stripes on my white belt after a year
I'm being overlooked! help!!
at this rate I'm going to be at this for 2 years before I get a blue belt, how embarrassing
guy was a white belt when I started, got his blue belt a little while after, and he just got his second stripe on it
he's progressing as a blue belt faster than I am as a white belt and he's there half as much as me! how is that even possible

>>2304396
>how is that even possible
Maybe he learns and develops skill faster than you do.

>>2304571
I'm being held back here.
they just gave a stripe to someone that started after me and now he has 3, and he has way less skills than I do, he's just gigantic and crushes people.
I should be a blue belt! or at least close to it. It takes me less than 30 seconds to tap anyone that comes in off the street no matter how big they are, gi or no gi

>>2304888
what if i told you, the belt doesn't matter?

So I found this knick knack on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofHOnLG1PhQ

>>2304893
wouldn't make a difference. I'm a sad lonely guy and I need to be validated for all my hard work
I just want to be acknowledged for breaking my ass 5 times a week

>>2304888
>he's just gigantic and crushes people
I think you answered yourself

>>2304945
but thats not a skill

>>2304977
As I understand it, the BJJ grading system is based on how much you win, aside from the top ones

>New gym, sparring with switching partners every round
>Everyone is friendly, sparring at a reasonable level
>Get paired up with manlet
>He goes full force, trying to knock me out
>Mean mugging me the whole time

What the fuck is wrong with manlets?

>>2304991
but I have skills!

>>2305075
https://youtu.be/HcEJr8h_yGM?t=1h16m31s

>>2275222
cringe

>>2302081
reminder this is your average australian

>>2304396
2 years at white belt is normal. Even with a 5 trainings/week rate.
You should switch one training for conditionning and start yoga.
Then focus on basics, keep posture ans balance. Always clear hands on collar.
Position over submission is always true.
Move your hips and keep them low for pressure/balance.

>>2306363

https://youtu.be/xnwNU4MoR6k?t=9m47s
This was interesting, although obviously it's not some ultimate martial art it has some useful principles

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>>2305337
>cringe
All of that's good info. This is /mag/, what are you on about

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>>2306438
taiji chuan is great for understanding rooting and how to get your opponent off their center

>>2307736
Jesus this, the health benefit claim is such a giant meme, the only healthy thing is that you're moving your body like you would with any other activity

>>2307752
Tai chi does weird shit to your body man. Tried it, saw it happen to many others. For example, an hour of tai chi left me about as drained as a Judo randori class or deadlifting lmao5plate. Can't do it anymore now, but suffice to say it's really interesting.

>>2305767
>Position over submission is always true.
Control over submission imho, position over submission is overly simplified and doesn't leave room for many unorthodox yet very effective submissions. Basically, whenever you control both someone's hips and shoulders, there's an opportunity for submitting.

>>2307828
>Control over submission imho, position over submission is overly simplified and doesn't leave room for many unorthodox yet very effective submissions
Very true, but he's still a 4 stripes white belt.
If we introduce limb control and flow position control, he won't get it.
>>2307752
health benefit isn't a meme, it is just that it allows you to keep practice as you age which is a major benefit of a practice.

>>2308028
Equally true indeed. Still, I think it's an idea to propagate, because from what I've seen even many higher belts forget this.

>>2308028
I'm only 2 stripe, I'm annoyed because someone worse than me and has never even gone to a tournament just got a 3rd stripe
I think I'm a pretty advanced white belt. my go to attack from the back is a triangle because the set up for that is best control and if not I just attack the arm I'm holding

>for that anon that wanted to be Master Roshi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzHeo1bS-TQ

>>2308517
why don't my punches frwoosh!1

>>2309039
>because you're not breathing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQy44Gcf-fs

i just found about this nodan character and started watching their videos, this guy is legit

>>2309039
He's just giving basic karate concepts tbqch, though applying them very well

>>2309488
Meant to quote >>2309298

>>2309488
he's teaching the same basics that my school of chuan fa teaches as well. i just think having an old man with a fake beard and glasses teaching stuff better than most others on youtube to be great.

>>2308468
>I'm only 2 stripe, I'm annoyed because someone worse than me and has never even gone to a tournament just got a 3rd stripe
Whatever, I'm a blue belt that has been tearing up almost all the purple, brown and black belts in the club, and I'm still just that, a blue belt. Not even the best blue belt there. Just keep improving, belts aren't that important.

Also looks like I finally made drop seoi nage work with a gi. People went flying during BJJ at least; will test further during Judo.

do you have some info about ninjutsu?

for reasons

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>>2311637
even the most "legitimate" ninja masters who possessed hilariously 15+ degree black belts lost to those amateurs from human weapon

>>2308468
First, stripe are there to prevent you to keep your eyes off the ball. They don't reflect your level, not even at black belt.
Second, tournament help because you roll with people you don't know the game.
If you mat travel/hop a bit (with the consent of your instructor/teacher) it will do the same to you.
Third, work on your basics, drill them.
Fourth, try do find your physical/psychological limits in and outside bjj.
Fifth, look at what is around bjj to help your bjj to become better at it: Eat well, sleep well, strech, keeping a bjj journal, doing judo/wrestling for your stand-up game, yoga to work on your breath and flexibility, as well as leant to recover properly try MMA or a striking art, and so on...
>>2308207
There are som many concepts to remember, to keep them all in order and not forget one is actually very hard.

Does anyone have any good resources for studying Baguazhang as someone who knows very little about martial arts? Should I learn something else as an introduction?

All I'm doing right now is lifting weights and I wanted to try something different.

>>2314901
>There are som many concepts to remember, to keep them all in order and not forget one is actually very hard.
This one's right at the core of it all though, and shouldn't ever be forgotten.

>>2314931
i'd recommend checking what's available in your area to train in, as trying to learn baguazhang on your own would most likely lead to learning improper technique

How the fuck is judo so cheap?
Like, 45$ a year cheap some places here.
Bewildering.

>>2318356
It's everyone else who's overpriced

>>2318356
Judo is a dying art. This is an everything must go fire sale.

>>2318486
he shows too much restraint, if I was in that situation I would be stabbing with the sharp edge once I got the wood

>>2318671
that board break kick.

who said tkd was useless in self defense?

>>2318356
It's a oly sport. They get a lot of money from it. Plus infrastructures for judo have been here for decades. Finally they target kids.

>>2318680
>who said tkd was useless in self defense?
this

>>2298836
>>2298970
>>2299390
>>2299452
>>2299559
>>2300028

You just need to know how to learn and develop skill in that environment.

To put it bluntly, you're not getting spoonfed in that environment, learn how to use a knife, fork, and spoon.

What you need to learn to get better is up there, you just need to decide what you want to learn at what point.

You can find out how to practice technique, drill, and spar with those techniques, everywhere. You can talk to your fellow practitioners, you can ask people from other schools, you can spend hours on research on the internet, you can communicate with other practitioners online, you can ask /mag/, you can watch YouTube videos.

You have to decide how you're going to practice and get better at those things. You can do this in less efficient ways, you can do it ways other people do it, you can do it in more efficient ways than most people do it.

You go to the Gym or Dojo, you find a partner, and you start practicing. You and your partner(s) work on your things, your partner(s) work in the things your partner(s) want to do, you switch back and forth, and there it is, you learned something and you developed skill.
It's just like having an instructor, except you're in charge. You can even do it better than other instructors do it.

People learn and develop skill at different rates, people learn and develop skill better in different ways; learning and developing skill, with the intention of doing it efficiently, should in fact be individualized.

Formal education in schools should in fact be individualized.
We have the research and science of how to have people learn and develop skill efficiently, but very rarely is it being applied, and very rarely is it being applied well.

Do you know how fucking long it took for some places in the more developed areas of the United States to start even discussing changing the start times of schools so students all over the USA aren't chronically sleep deprived?

>>2320270
Do you even know how few people even know how much sleep deprivation fucks up your ability to learn and develop skill?
Don't even get me started on how it fucks you up in live overall and in general. You die early if you don't sleep well.

The way schools all over the planet earth are doing education and the development of skill in academia in a stupid way.

The ways martial arts schools are doing education and the development of skill is even more stupid.

>>2320270
>>2320279
Holy shit, are some PE classes in schools all over the United States, let alone the world, so fucking terrible, out of date, and just fucking inefficient.

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