/joshi/ General #8: Maho Metal Edition

keep this going whoever you were original op.

please.

my soul feels empty w/o a place to shitpost about joshi.

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wtf? i love stardom now.

>>2220025
>LOL IO WINS
No thank you.

>>2219976
I'm original OP and I didn't make this thread but thank you to glorious new OP for keeping things going after the previous thread died due to Rumble shitpost threads taking over the entire board

My favourite TJP joshi is Saki Akai's pancake ass

>>2219968
>those tits

HNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

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natsuko confirmed burret crub mark.

new best girl.

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Is she still /ourgirl/?

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>>2220443
stacked af

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>>2220505
her chin's pretty stacked too

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joshi isn't ready.

In Japan female wrestling is a few steps below jav star.

>>2220505
>>2220544
Her body is like Io's if Io had actual curves

>>2220589
She's going into JAV now? Truly /ourgirl/

this is basically becoming a boring and slower version of the alt thread where there are no discussion about the actual subject and nothing but waifuposting, avatar fagging and sexualization of the artists

>>2221107
Contribute something then anon

>>2220469
Forever and always.

>>2221107
>waifuposting [...] and sexualization of the artists

and how is this a bad thing, might i ask?

>>2219968
>>2220505
>>2220544

her gimmick is a zombie? that's fucking hot

>>2221107
the scene is shit there's literally nothing interesting happening

>>2224112
joshi is at it's peak right now.

>>2224164
of mediocrity

Joshi in 2017 is below average at best and doesn't draw and not even the best of feds have anything worth making you care about them, lets be honest

>>2224268
drawing in joshi means very little. it's about sustainability and every promotion is sustaining themselves just fine. the current joshi scene is beautiful, all the feds are producing quality content every month.

>>2224275
even Reina?

>>2224284
the fact great fed like actress girlz, marvelous, diana, and REINA still dont make tape is a testament of how strong the 2017 joshi scene is

>>2224284
yes. no joshi promotion is bad.

>>2224305
lol

>>2224305
Their 2 shit feds, the majority of the fed being meh as fuck and maybe 2 good ones and that's just what makes tape

as someone who watches all the joshi tapes and even more i will say i havent seen a one bad joshi show in 2016 outside of stardom which is only bad because half the roster are not japanese wrestlers

>>2224329
it's all a matter of taste, i suppose. i dont believe there are any shit joshi feds out there right now. all of them have been enjoyable and interesting to follow.

there is nothing to gain from playing the ''joshi is shit'' card in 2017, all the feds are pretty good and better than the failing heavyweight and other j-indie feds

the fanbase is so niche (even in japan) that you can't really get any other reaction other than ''not really dude joshi is fun'' from the core fanbase we know what we are watching

>>2224372
>there is nothing to gain from playing the ''joshi is shit'' card in 2017
apathy

stardom's main problem for me is that there never feels like any progression is happening. just feel stagnant, whereas the other promotions are constantly moving forward. just throw in some angles and a few title changes -- something!

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ohata's thighs are too much.

>>2224397
>whereas the other promotions are constantly moving forward

not really.

>>2225449

>whereas the other promotions are constantly moving forward

> not really.

There's just only so much the promotions can do. It's a niche of a niche. Wrestling interest is down across the board. There's too many promotions. No one has any national TV and hasn't had it since AJW in the early 90's.

And the problem is, having TV doesn't mean what it used to due to their being so many entertainment options and due to people having less money than ever before

I also don't feel the booking of joshi has been very good for about 15 years now. Very few feuds and very few angles.

>>2221107
>he hates waifuism

>>2221646
my nigga

>>2220633

The JAV girls do much much better. There's directories for soaplands and escorts online and you can find just about everyone you can imagine on the various sites and go fuck them. Even average or lower end porn stars are going to be able to get a few hundred dollars per session.

I think as the economy in the world gets shittier and it is as a whole, and as good paying jobs require more and more, people are just going to go into sex. And with milfs and thicker girls catching on - there's been more big tit releases than ever in JAV this year, it's only going to open the doors for more people. People like Yumi Kazama have been at it since the 90's.

Really, if you want to go into porn, how much money you make is up to you with cam sites, escorting and social media. You put yourself out there and you will find takers. And now, your takers can be people from anywhere in the world.

I would go into this without question if I were a chick.

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>>2225708
>No one has any national TV

It's not National TV but the best TV spot for Joshi is probably OZ's show on GAORA Sports. Many sports fans subscribe to GAORA since it has NFL football, rugby, baseball etc.

Here's the schedule of their 1/25 show.

Saturday, February 11 from 21: 00-23: 00
February 14 (Tuesday) 23: 30 ~ 25: 30
February 28 (Tue) 26: 00-28: 00
March 7 (Tuesday) 26: 00 ~ 28: 00

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>>2224857
Ohata is best girl, with best body in joshi.

>>2225708
i wasn't talking about company growth, just the booking in general. stardom isn't really progressing booking-wise.

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>>2226025
and a great wrestler at that. she needs to be protected at all costs.

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>>2226110

>>2225708
National tv existed even during very late or morning slots. They can't afford it anymore or are not courted by networks.

You have to pay a fee to be on tv in Japan for every fed not Njpw.

Noah loseing Ntv in 2009 meant they won't ever fill up budokans again unless it's a stacked mutiple company show with a retirement.

Only Njpw has a national tv slot, and it's a recap show coming on late.

>>2224372
What? Joshi does less than the others. It's the least attended.

10 years from now probably extinct.

>>2226249
im willing to bet the joshi scene will outlive you

>>2226249

see: >>2224275

checkmate.

>>2226018
>>2226243

I used to live in Japan.

Most people especially in the bigger cities don't have satellite. It's when you get further out in the cities that you start to see it. They have no real need to in the city. You live in Tokyo and you can see as much wrestling as you want each month, the way its meant to be seen - LIVE. Not only that, but everything entertainment of note comes to Tokyo at some point. I'm pretty sure some American bands go to Japan more than they come to my city.

Japan is a country where people are pretty active, despite what the internet tells you. Most people either walk, bike or take trains/subways to places or a combo. You'll do more walking than ever in Japan. Add that plus people working 6 days a week, working longer hours and eating out being somewhat cheap, and people aren't aren't home watching TV that much.

All Japan Women's losing their good TV spot in the early 90's/late 80's killed the golden goose and I still think joshi struggles due to that being the main reason, amongst others.

The problem is that TV is starting to not be relevant anymore and once that happens, I have no idea how wrestling grows.

>>2226061
>stardom isn't really progressing booking-wise.

You can say the same for every other joshi fed minus maybe Getting the D. Lets not pretend there's any innovative booking going on in JWP, WAVE, Ice Ribbon or OZ, they all do the usual stuff that their fanbases are used to.

>>2226287
>It's all about just kinda surviving cuz that's their only way of living in current year
Yeah this
>>2225708
Product, not business(though their Korakuen attendance hasn't progressed in years), which is true. They do something for a month(Kagetsu joining Oedo Tai while teaming with Hiroyo) then forget about it immediately and run in circles. Or this stuff that's meant to be progressive but it just gets presented as the same old shit like Io, currently

>>2226570
Except maybe OZ(even though the Hiroyo/Kato story was more than anything Stardom's done in a long time) and JWP(cuz basically being half dead then losing Arisa who was all over the top belt beforehand does that to you), Stardom is the worst offender of it.
Dont have WAVE anything so idk about them.

>>2226464

I also used to live in Japan, in Tokyo. When I watched NFL games on GAORA I'd always see DRAGON GATE and OZ Academy commercials.

You'll see lots of satellite dishes on people's balconies in Tokyo.

>>2226611
>Stardom is the worst offender of it

How? Ice Ribbon just put the belt back on Sera after the one millionth Fujimoto reign and aside from that they have nothing new going on ever angle-wise.

Thinking Stardoms in-ring product sucks compared to other promotions is all fine and dandy, but you're letting that cloud your view when it comes to booking, which isn't more stale than the rest of the scene.

>>2226724
I wasn't necessarily talking about 'innovative' or 'new' angles -- it's wrestling, all of the innovative things that could happen have already happened -- just shit happening in general. If I can give a quick run down a things..

Ice Ribbon:
>Risa Sera as ace; Sera/Yamashita rivalry
>Yukihi Maya build up and feud with Aja Kong; Aja wants to rematch Maya in her Ozaki-gun form now
>Kurumi/Tsukushi going for the tag belts again
>Manami Toyota having something of a renaissance with the Triangle Belt
>Miyako finding new ways to be sleazy

SEAdLINNNG:
>Some of the most compelling angles going right now

JWP:
>The 'rebuild of JWP'
>Hanako Nakamori as ace in her first Openweight Championship reign
>Command Bolshoi & Leon in a masked mature ladies tag
>Yako Fujigasaki's "Visual Hunter" angle and defending against outsiders as JWP Junior Champion
>Booking Akiba Siori

OZ:
>Hiroyo as the new top star
>Generational shift with younger talent being focused on
>Hiroyo/Shida rivalry
>Yoshiko & Kong in a monstrous tag team
>The never-ending war between the sekigun, MK4 and the rest of the roster

Senjo:
>Aja Kong holding the belt captive
>Satomura/Syuri II
>Shirahime build
>C-Hash redemption
>The never-ending DASH/Shida feud with Miyagi now thrown into the mix

WAVE:
>Mizunami as the new top dog
>Avid Rival dissension; Mizunami/Ohata feud
>Lots of crossover rivalries
>SAKI resurfacing and feuding with Sumire; they'll face in singles on 2/11, but the real blowoff is set for 8/12! (Stardom could never book an angle this far in advance)
>Big anniversary show on 8/12

Stardom:
>Coasting until Io's Anniversary
>Momo & Kyona building
>Endless title match spamming (basically filler, but filler for what if they build to nothing??)
>Hardly any feuds beyond title match spam
>More gaijin

Stardom has made 0 progress. It's the same exact company it was a year ago.

>>2226724
Well I didn't say anyone else's were mindblowing, hell I've already said nobody has anything going on that's interesting. Stardom however is stale to the point where it's agonizing because of how long it's been stale while everyone else is mostly just meh except OZ and JWP that dip lower than meh. The space between the super long Fujimoto reign and the recent one, the tournament with all the stories going in it, and Sera's win I'd say is more than what most have done plus more intriguing, even if the winner was probably the 3rd most exciting winner of the 4.

>>2226277
>>2226287
No my fags

>>2226880
>Stardom has made 0 progress. It's the same exact company it was a year ago.

The Stardom twitter cultists would probably try really hard to sell Queens Quest, gaijin "invasions" and loli undercard matches as progress, just like you're trying right now with all that mostly unimpressive stuff you're fluffing up for those promotions you seem to enjoy.

I see no real progression there in any way, it's mostly rehashing the same old shit, cartering to stagnant fanbases which want exactly that.

>>2227068
>The Stardom twitter cultists would probably try really hard to sell Queens Quest, gaijin "invasions" and loli undercard matches as progress, just like you're trying right now with all that mostly unimpressive stuff you're fluffing up for those promotions you seem to enjoy.

Whether it is impressive or not, there are things actually happening is my point. The previous year of those companies actually meant something, things progressed, main event scenes shifted, new stars born, and now they go into 2017 with a fresh approach. None of this can be said for Stardom. I'm not sure how you're having such a hard time grasping this.

I'm not exactly bias against Stardom either as I do enjoy their shows, but creatively they are way behind the other feds. They need to shake up their booking. Booking the gaijin as credible threats rather than filler, a singles belt change or two, etc, could easily rectify this.

>I see no real progression there in any way, it's mostly rehashing the same old shit, cartering to stagnant fanbases which want exactly that.

There will never be any "real progression" in joshi. It's where it is and it will stay this way.

I'm talking purely booking/creative.

never forget when oedotai were looking to be pushed and were gonna get a tag title shot in korakuen but then they murdered their push before it even began by having them lose 2 pointless and filler title matches before their big tag title when then all they did was face their own faction members before losing their belts to a thrown together team that doesnt need them

>>2227068
Who are the Stardom twitter cultists? The only people I see talking Stardom on Twitter are people who aren't really familiar with joshi and don't really watch much Stardom either

>>2227432
>I'm not a joshi fan, I'm a Stardom fan

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>>2227517

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>>2226218

>>2227517
This is pretty close to the mark for most Western Stardom fans yeah

Ya know what. I'll bite. Could you guys point me to some good joshi matches? I'll start with the name listed in OP's post but any specific match suggestions would be appreciated.

If given the chance to choose one joshi who will peg you, who do you choose?

>>2228578
Watch the Kansai & Ozaki vs. Toyota & Yamada trilogy in chronological order. They're the greatest female tag matches of all time. The first two matches are 2 out of 3 falls while the third is a regular match.

>>2228606
yoshiko.

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>What did Shida mean by this?

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looks like la rosa is coming back.

>>2229260
I guess Based Omega paid her a visit.

Does anyone actually know what the WAVE Network's upload schedule is or what even determines what gets uploaded because that shit seems to be a mystery

>>2230938
There isn't one.. the whole thing is pretty incompetently run, but coincidentally a new show was uploaded just now.

>>2230950
Yeah, it seems like a mess. The seemingly random uploads and matches making TV but not the network...I don't have much truck with Stardom but goddamn, at least their network makes sense

>wewtists drive waifufags away
>/joshi/ gets buried and archived to irrelevance by cuckter shitpost threads

wow really makes you think

>>2232065
Pretty sure killing this thread for keks was the aim of at least a few of them

>>2232065
the hana boom period is over. it is what it is.

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>>2232114
Oh no, brother. We're just waiting for /ourgirl/ to return from her injury.

>>2232742
your thread is dead

>>2232843
You're dead

Momo out of action and Mayu got sick again

RIP Stardom

>>2234769
That High Speed belt is begging to be vacated, clearly.

>>2234841
That High Speed belt is begging to be retired because Stardom have far too many titles

>>2235198
Just High Speed and Trios to fuck off, pls

>>2236166
>Trios to fuck off

>getting rid of the championship that has some of the funnest matches in the company

nah.

>>2236185
Stardom comedy is more generic, plain, and unsatisfying than their Korakuen cards which is a lot.

Also you can do that shit w/o a useless set of belts

>>2236185
Fun is the cancer killing joshi.

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>>2236426
implying this wasnt peak joshi

>>2236448
CANCER

Have any good matches transpired recently that are more submission/technical based like ARSION or even those classic matches from the 80s like Lioness vs. Jaguar?

>>2236632
you have any arsion recommendations?

>>2236737
Mariko Yoshida vs Mikiko Futagami 4 16 99
Mariko Yoshida vs Yumi Fukawa 5 4 99
Mariko Yoshida vs Yumi Fukawa 9 26 99
Yumi Fukawa vs Candy Okutsu 98
Yumi Fukawa vs Michiko Ohmukai

Those are some of my personal favorites. Word of warning though: the crowd is pretty much dead for most of those matches but don't let that trick you into thinking you're watching something dull. Joshi crowds were dead in general in this time period. These matches though made me fall in love with submission focused pro-wrestling where before I mostly found it boring.

>>2236836
Go watch some Virus matches nigga

>>2236839
Suggest some, bitch.

>>2236844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwNWLdBdXGM

>>2236839
>lucha memes

>>2236852
listen pal I didn't choose the promotion's name

>>2236836
any ai fujita matches?

>>2236860
Not from me. She seems like more of a high-flyer and I really only care about the submission style wrestlers in ARSION.

>>2236850
That was fine, but Yoshida and her girls were definitely better. And I actually would have preferred if that crowd was dead.

>>2236836
Just watched Yoshida/Futagami (4/16/1999). It was a total sprint, which I wasn't expecting, but they built up the drama well through body language and emotes, GAMI had so many savvy counters and dangerous submissions in her repertoire, and Yoshida was hitting Air Raid Crash with the quickness of a snapmare. This match was really good, a breeze to sit through.

>>2236906
It's probably the best singles match from ARSION in that Yoshids Style.

Ultimate muscle waifu Syuri once again serves as the protector of joshi in the MMA world by winning her Pancrase main event today. Now Yoshiko just needs to step on her Korean can and all will be well with the world

>>2236933
Definitely lived up to the hype. This is a whole new world to explore.

>a fucking chink diva general

>>2237163
http://www.quebrada.net/QuebradaReviews.html
http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/36321-arsion-the-best-of/

Been using these sites to find out which matches are worth tracking down. It's a real shame this style of wrestling is basically extinct. You just don't see mat-based matches anywhere close to as good as these were.

Now I want to see that Ran Yuyu vs Carlos Amano match from JD, fuck going to have to find the date and all....

>>2237268
What's so special about that match?!

>>2237187
>Reggie Bennett vs. Mariko Yoshida

Yoshida getting something out of Reggie Bennett? Gonna have to see this for myself.

Have Kyoko Kimura's eyes always been different colours and I've just never noticed it or was she wearing one coloured contact in the promo vid on her retirement show

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bito

>>2237832
The Spider Queen could get something out of anyone.

>>2238784
is painfully mediocre

>>2237318
Really fun submision oriented match, from what I remember. This would be around the time Carlos had the "move an inch and I'll kill you" shirt.

>>2239563
Give me a link

>>2238784
>you came to the wrong neighborhood, baka gaijin

>>2239453
ok bastard

>>2235426
I want to impregnate Hana with my seed

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>>2238784
>bito and hojo will never corner you in an alley and fuck you against your will as they call you a baka gaijin while slamming their strapons into your throbbing boipucci

it hurts to live senpai

arsion >>>>>>>>> ajw

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>>2238784
>Kairi/Act love forbidden by Rossy
>forces her into pairing with various other broads
sad

>>2239894
You must be new to the chink general, family. Here, Hana impregnates you.

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i need hiroyo to destroy me

>>2242097
>AJW
It's kinda crazy that a women's wrestling promotion was the second best promotion in the entire world when it came to good, consistent matches in the 90s (All Japan being first of course).

>>2243029
Do not sexualise Hiroyo you motherfucker. She is pure

>tfw finally found that Scorpion Queen vs. Kong match I've been searching for

A
FUCKING
CHINK DIVA GENERAL


KEKEK THIS PLACE IS LITERALLY, UNIRONICALLY WEW

PURGE THIS SHITHOLE NOW

>>2243307
Which one? There's like a hundred

>>2243328
Sendai Girls 7/09/06.

>>2243336
Cool, I haven't seen that one. Only ones I've seen are the one from last year, the 99 one, and then some from the mid-2000s - 03 and 05 I think
You should post your thoughts on it after you watch

>>2243353
It might be their best singles match together, though I think their 99 match told a more interesting story. This one had more action and they wrestled more as equals, but I'm leaning towards that 99 match as still being their best. This one is a very close second though since Aja didn't have to carry Meiko like she did in GAEA. Here's the link by the way:

http://www.mediafire.com/?rfrr28mlizwav91

>>2243379
ta m8

>>2243228
>not wanting to take a backdrop from hiroyo

So if I wanted to get started watching classic AJW, where would I begin? I'm not really a big fan of just going back and watching all the big famous matches, I need the context

Eighties AJW was when it got good, but you'll have to get a good source. Even guys like Lynch and Gennete (sp?) I think miss some of the stuff from that period. Japanese traders are hard to come by, plus it's not rare for them to ask 3,000 yen or more for copied DVD-R's.

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happy b-day to the best abs in joshi

>>2245988

Best abs, posts picture which covers abs

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>>2247108

>Syuri abs

From her PANCRASE weigh-in last weekend.

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>>2247108

>>2220544
Do Joshi go out on the streets and hand out fliers for their own shows? That makes them even more adorable.

>>2247236
yeah, i heard the ice ribbon girls were handing out free tickets to ribbonmania last year.

>>2247236
>>2247264
Yeah, Sendai Girls roster does it too

>>2245988
one day syuri will be my wife

>>2243379
What did you think of last year's?

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KOREA IS FINISHED

>>2248969
It was great. Aja and Meiko always have good matches together. Looks like they're setting up another match too since Aja just won the Sendai Girls belt.

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bito

>>2250026
sucks

>>2249972
>Yoshiko is a Fred Durst cosplayer
Don't ever meet your heroes

>>2250421
She did it all for the nookie

>>2250824
AND IF MY DAY KEEPS GOIN THIS WAY I JUST MIGHT
BREAK ACT'S FUCKIN FACE TONIGHT

Just got a bunch of "JWP" from the Eighties, kind of cool to see a young Ozaki and Dynamite Kansai as Miss A.

>>2250935
Tapped

>>2251181
I like how JWP only came into existence as a retirement home for ex-Zenjo joshis.

Really loved Akai/Yamashita and Yuu/Nakajima from DDT's Tokyo Joshi Puroresu on 1/4. Akai is already WWE ready and plays her gimmick perfectly, Yamashita reminds me of a young Chigusa. Yuu is just a great tank and I love her judo throws.

I think Tokyo Joshi Puroresu is going to challenge Stardom.

>>2252510
http://battle-news.com/?p=27316

Bolshoi and the rest of the JWP roster will be leaving JWP on 4/2 to start a new company in August. It is believed that this will be the end of JWP as a brand, but who knows. REINA still exists.

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>>2252537

Yep. It's a shame, but there's 11 Joshi promotions trying to split up a personal pan pizza here. Arisa really screwed them over, when they took her back after she quit years ago.

Oh and Saki Akai

>>2252535
The main, semi-main and Ito/Reika were great.

Yeah, Saki is definitely ready for WWE's schedule when she works a light schedule as is. Fuck off with your fantasy booking. They'll never leave Nihon. Don't even put such thoughts in the air.

>>2252537
That's sad, but do we really need yet another fucking joshi promotion that's not going to bring anything new or fresh to the table?

>>2252547

I didn't say WWE would sign her, just merely that her and a couple of the other girls are probably already ready.

We do know WWE is going to do a women's tournament this year and I do think we get a few Japanese girls in there, and whoever they pick for it is going to be light years ahead of the rest of the girls in the tournament.

>>2252560
Name another joshi promotion that has a roster of masked mature woman. heavyweights and BBWs.

>>2252564

Diana!

>>2252561
I see what you mean, but I don't like the implication that because a joshi is good they are 'WWE ready'. Why can't they just be good in their own right and in their own scene? Seems unnecessary to even mention WWE.

>>2252537
JWP outlasting AJW never ceases to amaze me

Is there a market left for "serious" joshi wrestling? As in no idol bullshit and sex appeal kept to a bare minimum with the focus being on in-ring work?

>>2252605

Sex appeal and joshi have always gone hand in hand.

You'd probably have to go back to the 70's to not have any. The 80's had Mimi Hagiwara who was the first real idol, the 90's had Toyota/Takako/Cuty, the late 90's had Omukai/Fukawa, the 2000's had the Jd Star Athresses who were all straight idols and we got tons as well right now.

>>2252625
>>2252605

90's LLPW is probably also something you'd wanna look at.

>>2252601
JWP had died before AJW, then came back later

>>2252713

Yep, this is JWP's 3rd death technically. They died in 1991 as Japan Women's Pro, they died in 1997/1998 and they've now died again, and I don't even see what's the point right now unless they find a bunch of rookies.

>>2252739
There's a lot of history they want to retain, I guess. Finding rookies probably won't be hard if they do continue to operate.

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what did she mean by this?

>>2252535
I take it Yuu/Nakajima was better than their 2016 match? I remember watching that when DDT Universe first went up and while there was some stuff I liked (strong matwork focus in the first half, etc) it was really, really sloppy in a lot of places

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>>2253347
I thought the first match they had was good, actually, but this second one is definitely better.

I did a review of the match, maybe It'll sell you on it, idk.

>Tokyo Joshi Pro '17 (1/4/2017)

TOKYO Princess of Princess Championship: Yuu (c) vs. Shoko Nakajima

This was a big improvement over their 2016 match. The groundwork was tighter with smoother transitions, but still has that roughness to it that makes the struggle look genuine. The match looks like a fight, there's nothing pretty about it, it's rugged and ugly. Yuu was amazing as the aggressor, she tosses and drops Nakajima with reckless abandon; the bumps are rigid and frightening, especially that John Woo kick. Nakajima hits the best Nothern Lights suplex I've ever seen, the torque, the speed, the impact, fucking hell. This was an excellent clash.

****3/4

>>2253404
imo in the first match the second half didn't live up to the first. Really liked how they focused almost exclusively on submission work for to begin with and how what they established there remained important throughout the match, but when they went into the actual "moves" portion their sloppiness kind of shone through. It didn't help that they didn't seem like very good athletes and so some of their stuff looked pretty haphazard - transitions were a little slow, didn't seem to be much strength in a few things, and so on. If they've improved then cool, I'll check the match out

>>2253404
Post the match somewhere to download or stream.

>>2253614
Please respond

>>2253614
>>2253732
Just go get DDT Universe nigga. I don't know if the free period is still happening but even if not it's like 800 moonbucks, that's nothing

>>2253742
No

>>2253753
>being a broke wota

>>2253732
DDT Universe has a 30-day free trial, but it's also up on XWT if you're a broke wota.

How do I into Stardom?

You know we give deanchad so much flack but because of him we have this general, Alexa and Becky general and all the NJPW threads on /asp/

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The love that Arisa and Natsuki share must have played a big part in Arisa jumping ship. This is true romance.

>>2254246
Pick any show on either Stardom World or XWT and watch it. There's no need to follow any story since it's pretty much always "Gaijin shows up, gets title shot"

>>2254303
But I thought Nanae was banging Natsuki

>>2254303
Man, Natsuki is only 5 years older than Arisa but looks about 15 years older here

Watched the 1/4 Yuu vs Nakajima match. I think it was definitely an improvement on their previous match, but it still has a bunch of the same problems. The structure was similar and I liked that they once again devoted a big chunk of time to the matwork and that the matwork formed the basis of Nakajima's offense and informed Yuu's submission attempts later on in the match, although once again there was some slight timing issues during it where some transitions looked a little unnatural as they were a bit out of sync with each other, although that cleared up fast. As an overall narrative arc, I don't have any real criticisms of the match, so that's great
My problems: Shoko Nakajima is just not a good enough athlete to make most of what she does look good. I thought that in the first match, it was only reinforced here. She has a bunch of these fancy submission transitions like the rollback into the butterfly lock that are cool in theory, but she's doesn't have the quickness of movement to pull it off and not have it look forced. I levelled that criticism at Yuu as well in the first match, but she looked way better here and did a great job throwing Nakajima around, and her powerbomb finish looked devastating. Also completely showed up Nakajima on the submission transitions with that awesome rollback into the guillotine choke after the ropebreak. She was also the only person in the match who was delivering strikes that looked like they had any impact (although her chops need serious work) - Nakajima's dropkicks are legitimately bad. I feel like the crowd turned out for the big corner dropkick not only because it was a great bump, it was the first strike of the match that actually looked like it had connected with force
I don't know if TJP girls are avoiding hitting each other hard because idols or whatever. Is that a thing?
So yeah, really nice layout, some solid offensive ideas but let down by Nakajima's inability to convincingly pull off her own moveset

>>2255966
I will say though, Nakajima's Northern Lights suplex was great. That was one of two moves she did all match where I thought it looked genuinely awesome - the other was her small package afterwards where it looked like she was legit just dragging Yuu to the ground
I really want to like her but her lack of athleticism is such a killer. If she had the exact same moveset she has now but with, say, Kagetsu's quickness, I would love her
Provided she got a better dropkick too

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>>2255975
I'm sorry that you don't possess the critical thinking skills necessary to fully understand and critique a wrestling match, friend. Perhaps professional wrestling isn't really for you? 4chan.org has several boards dedicated to more casual entertainment such as /a/ and /tv/. I recommend you visit those boards where you might find a medium more to your liking.

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>>2255980
>>2255966
> i care this much about divas matches
> chink divas matches

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>>2255992
Maya-obachan has mass appeal.

>>2255990
>SEETHING over people having different tastes than you
Sad!

>>2255996
What's the ballpark figure for granny maya's actual age? She's got to be in her 30s at least

>>2255997
> pathetic wewtist is also a cucterposter
LMAO is it even possible to be lower

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>>2256001
I'm guessing mid 30s, probably close to Yumi Ohka's age.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUjqPDP7otY

Yoshiko's ROAD FC fight is coming up soon on livestream.

Not sure if I'll be able to watch this, desu.

#Pray4Yoshiko

>>2256026
>based joshi can actually fight for real
Can any American women even compete?

>>2256026
It's starting now.

Based Yoshiko defending the honour of joshi as only a real shooter can

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B A S E D

>>2256196
Let's be honest though she looked like absolute dogshit, walked into an overhand right trying to land the big shot like ten times.

>>2256207
I was hoping she'd die so Act would have her revenge.

>>2256207
She was proving that the puny blows of a minute Korean "martial artist" could do nothing to harm the granite face of a Pro-Wrestler. It was symbolic

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Where were you when even the gaijins deserted Act?

>>2256217
>worked

>>2256261
based rate tank

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>>2256196
This is what happens when we leave the joshi general to edgelords.

Anyway, STARDOM blows and the best joshi right now works for Ice Ribbon so how much do you fags miss /ourgirl/?

>>2257307
ai shimizu's ice ribbon run ended though.

>>2257328
where will she go now that's the big question?

Sea'dLinning, JWP or DDT?

>>2257384
She's from TJP

>>2257384
She's in Ganpuro right now doing a trial series. So far she has faced Hiroyo and Cassandra Miyagi. Best joshi run going atm.

>>2257430
Wait, what? Are these on DDT Universe? I will watch any Hiroyo match

>>2257471
The Hiroyo match is up now, Cassandra match will be up on the 14th.

>>2257484
Sweet, cheers

Being in this tiny ring for Ganpuro must bring back sweet memories for Hiroyo of doing fetish vids

>all those Mariko Yoshida references in Elgin vs. Naito
kek I doubt either of them even realized it. Naito did a Spider Twist to Elgin's leg, which was neat, and Elgin did an Air Raid Crash on the apron to Naito.

>>2257584
>Hiroyo of doing fetish vids

I've never heard of this. Links?

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>>2257307
Still waiting. Patience, my friend. /ourgirl/ will come back stronger than ever.

Anyone here ever try watching shit like AJW chronologically? Feels like such hassle tracking shit down.

>>2257667
http://www.slampegs.com/faves.html

>>2258247
eh its doable, the only ''hassle'' is your own laziness to create a chronological list of the tapes you want to watch

>>2258247
RealHero has uploaded a bunch of AJW cards and a ton of matches are on jewtube and other various streaming sites. But no I doubt there's a complete chronological collection of AJW anywhere on the intertubes.

>>2258247
You don't want to watch that anyway. Watch Stardom.

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>>2258217
big money hana hosted some kind of valentine's day event today for the geeks.

>>2258217
When will she come to WWE

I don't care if she gets stuck in 50/50 hell with everybody who isn't Cena, I just want to look at her forever with all of her teeth in her head

>>2258380
fuck off. she would never compromise her integrity and join the corrupt wwe machine.

>>2258362
>ywn stand in line waiting to stick your dick in a hole in the wall and get your soul sucked out by Hana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS5LRRsNYZk

>>2258382
>meat toilet
>integrity

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Okay, guys. I can stop hanafagging long enough to ask, why are we not collectively lusting over Reika?

>>2258305

It's not that. Many matches just aren't available on RH, tube, veoh, or other streaming sites. I guess I'm gonna have to buy a lot of shit like those Joshi Mix and AJW Classics (only saw like 49-62 on this torrent site) comp.

>>2258581
you have to learn how to search in japanese on youtube my man 90% of the key tapes are there

>>2258976

Shit, you're right. That was pretty fucking stupid of me to not even consider that.

>>2259208
you can find a lot of stuff there
https://www.youtube.com/user/ringstarfield/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/hasegawayoshi/videos

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>>2258549
next tjp champion.

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So wrestlingwithwords.com decided to start tracking Korakuen Hall attendance numbers for this year and it looks TJP is slightly more popular than Stardom. Also amazed Dragon Gate and DDT beat New Japan last month and that OZ Academy attendance is sad.

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>>2266165
>believing bullshit ddt numbers

>>2266165
I wouldn't trust any chart put together by TheJML cause he's kinda fucking dumb

>>2266165
Dragon Gate numbers are complete bullshit
Their Korakuen shows are a million times more entertaining than NJPW's yeah but their numbers aren't remotely honest

>>2266182
To be fair that does look like a piss break match. I really don't like DDT by the way. Female fans should be flogged for making such a meme promotion that popular.

>>2266194
It was the TJP Saki Akai vs. Miyu Yamashita semi-main.

And DDT fucking rules.

>>2266196
>And DDT fucking rules.
I disagree. Comedy is the cancer killing puroresu AND joshi.

>>2266203
DDT's not all comedy though to be fair
Harashima puts on better main event matches than any other male ace in Japan

>>2266203
Old school joshi has its fair share of comedy too. Wrestling is supposed to be fun.

>>2266165
DG numbers are bullshit
That DDT show that beat New Japan had all seats at 2000 yen
TJP number sounds about right
That OZ card was shit, no wonder it didn't draw

Stardom's long Korakuen decline(except this one cuz Mayu being sick was the only reason it drew so lower than usual) I elect to be blamed on stale champion Io, desu

drawing barely matters in modern joshi.

>>2266237
Anyone looking at their numbers might think that, yeah

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How can other joshi champs even compete?

>>2266203
DDT used to be much better before the comedy got out of hand. This might have been around the time Dino showed up come to think of it.

Honestly the stuff I have from around 1998-2004 or so i,s really good fun for the most part. Sure there's some crappy comedy but also guys like pre-deathmatch Takashi Sasaki, Gentaro, Super Uchuu Power and some other solid guys.

of course the almighty satomeme survived kaho's 120% schoolboy.

>>2258549
>>2259292
She's cute. Would waifu tbqh

>>2258362
CUTE!

>>2266165
TJP running korakuen is a yearly thing, STARDOM runs korakuen all the time and its not the only tokyo venue they run

literally means nothing

also wrestlingwithwords are all 15 to 19 years old dont read them

>>2266182
ddt numbers are not worked

>>2267259
>ddt numbers are not worked

ok takagi. ddt still claims over 2000 in korakuen, which is not even possible.

>>2267273
they literally never claim over 2000 in the post-worked numbers era of japanese wrestling

what are you even gaining from lying to people who knows you are full of shit ?

>>2267292
http://www.ddtpro.com/ddtpro/43942/

oh.

>>2267304
I'm pretty sure that's the show that DDT always just puts down what the current year is as attendance number

>>2267259
Hey don't make fun of Izzac or he'll get /asp/ confused with /wooo/ and cry on twitter again

>>2267304
The NEVER MIND gimmick is announcing attendance as whatever year it is

>>2267304
are you the same guy who tried to argue that DDT was a dying fed on wooo the other week and got laughed out of the thread ?

also you really saw ''2016'' as the attendance number for a 2016 show and you didn't make the connection ?

>>2267312
>>2267339
in conclusion: ddt bullshits numbers.

>>2267355
in conclusion: you are a dumb and didnt get a yearly joke DDT does

Things like using the Never Mind number on an attendance chart is why I said TheJML is dumb
Motherfucker never looks at any context for anything and just throws numbers at the wall

>>2267381
a true data analyst would compare those numbers to korakuen indie mma and amateur boxing shows to get a good grasp of the numbers

>>2267353
>((((((((((super no vacancy))))))))))
>rows of empty seats visible to the camera

never fails to make me kek.

>>2267419
you want to get laughed out of another thread ?

dragon gate is fucking garbage deal with it

>>2267423
none of these indies even compare to fmw which really actually drew 40k. no visible empty seats.

>>2267439
what does post-80s boom 90s first wave japanese indie wrestling have to do with anything

did you know the FMW young boys would try to hit on the FMW joshis and all the young boys would get beat the fuck up by the joshis ?

>>2267466
i bet the boys spent hours coming up with combat toyoda pickup lines

>>2220654
>>2220633
That made me wonder. Any joshi girls who did/do JAV? I know a lot of them do gravure shit but nothing hardcore.

>>2267631
Kazama Rumi, Koharu Hinata and Emi Tojo.

>>2267631
let me tell you about Rumi Kazama jav where she hides her old lady fat stomach the whole time and gets fucked by a Onita lookalike

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>>2267649
This is a top notch mature woman stomach.

>>2267667
''old'' and ''fat'' are not used as pejorative terms in my sexual imagination

>>2266237
That's bullshit, it's still a wrestling promotion, your goal is to get ass in seats. No matter your business model you can't escape that, you need to sell those damn tickets.

>>2267439
>wrestling drew more in the 90's
Who would've thought

>>2267466
I wish I could go back in time and hit on Megumi Kudo.

What are the essential Dump Matsumoto matches?

>>2267466
Well doh at that time FMW wasn't a indie fed....

>>2267755
Dump vs Hiroyo vs Miyako

>>2267755
the two chigusa hair matches are obviously the greatest wrestling matches of the 80s worldwide but sometimes people stop there with Dump Matsumoto

Devil Masami vs Dump Matsumoto double title match from 85 is great too as a Top Heel vs Top Heel big match

there is a great Lioness Asuka vs Dump Matsumoto match from 86

the Bull Nakano & Dump Matsumoto vs Jumping Bomb Angels 2 out of 3 falls from the legendary 8/22/85 show is also a great match that gets forgotten because it was on the same show as the classic Masami vs Chigusa and Yokota vs Asuka matches

on some level all Dump Matsumoto matches are worth watching solely based on the pure cathartic heat she generates

only dump matsumoto could make me write this long of a post in this thread

>>2267772
onita wasnt on TV, wasn't financed by any corporate interests and only got his publicity through wrestling magazines and tapes. It literally was indie

>>2267647
>Koharu Hinata
I may be wrong but isn't she still active? I thought that doing JAV was just something you did to make some bucks to pay off that pesky yakuza debt once your career was over.

>>2267792
I've watched one of the Chigusa hair matches before, the crowd reaction during that match was surreal.

I can't seem to find any of those other singles matches you listed, but I did find the Jumping Bomb Angels tag.

Guess I'll just have to settle with what's readily available. Thanks.

>>2267869
i have the other matches, i will upload them for the greater good

>>2267647
Pass the codes to Koharu Hinata fucktapes now

>>2267877
Sweet.

>>2267884
Masami vs Dump double title match from 85
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EofnDbloFjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa74BTpOpuM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHptUxV2BfA

Dump vs Asuka 86
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWK8oQ1Ny-Q

>>2267896
glorious dump cleavage shot in the thumbnail for the asuka match

>ywn be a high school girl waiting for the Crush Gals to double team you after a match

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>>2268114
they were excellent wrestlers and way ahead of their times in terms of workrate but that is not the reason why they got that over

>>2267896
Just watched Masami/Dump. Devil Masami was very confident in her body language/jawline, like she's the embodiment of the Empire, but looked vulnerable enough in her selling to be sympathetic; Dump stalking her like a slasher villain before attacking really played into this well. I liked how Devil wasn't afraid to fight dirty, using weapons and throwing clenched fists. Really good stuff, the atmosphere was insane.

Btw, who were Dump's two masked henchmen in this match?

>>2268218
I think one of them is Masked Yu and the other is Tranatula ?

The ref you see with them is Shiro Abe, he tries to help them win matches

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bito

>>2271317
will get shown for the waste she is by konami

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R E I K A

>>2271422
Reika is the purest waifu

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>>2271422
OSHIT

NEW WAIFU DISCOVERED

>>2267796
They had TV specials, aired on Champ Forum, plus I have a few FMW shows from regional channels. Would bet there's more out there, I've also got TV shows from Shunji Takano's group, SPWF, YMB and other obscure promotions.

>>2268139
Jaguar was the best. And Chigusa was cute as fuck in the 80s. Then she turned into a monster.

>>2271493
totally missing the point, M-Pro was on Champ Forum too doesnt make them not indie.

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>>2271422

>>2271993
give a brother the code

>>2272109
It's not out yet

>>2272199
give a brother the code so I can at least look at the thumbnails

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I feel like too many of you are forgetting who the real queen of /joshi/ is

>>2271769
Yes but indies in Japan don't draw over 20000 people to a show, most will never draw close too 500 people.

>>2272237
>>2272109
ENFD-5775

NEW THREAD

>>2272993

>>2272993

>>2272993