serious question. why does WWE bury wrestlers who get themselves

Vince is a petty, insecure egomaniac.

>>2148737
This. Also the """"writers""""" need to justify their job somehow

>>2148744
>thinking individual writers have any stroke

>>2148728
Arrogance, really. Whether it's justified or not is another question. Vince thinks that he can spot and build a Top Guy who would make more money than anyone who happened to get themselves over. If a Ryder/Barrett/Ziggler/whoever starts eating into Vince's Guy's airspace, then out comes the shovel.

Actually Vince can see how people go through phases, they get along with the trend and thenovr on to something else, Ryder is just a good that people cared for a while, vibe knew people would hate him in the long run, same goes for the whole Indy thing, at first people liked punk but now more and more people are getting tired of Indy spot monkeys. Vince knows what's ordinary and what has mainstream appeal

>>2148777
State of this fucking mark.

>CM Punk
>spot monkey

Excuse you?

>Vince knows what has mainstream appeal

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

>>2148728
Because Vince's ego is legitimately that fragile. Can't stand the idea of someone getting popular without his direct say so.

Also it makes the writers look even more like shit when a wrestler does their job better than them.

>>2148777
Trips wasted on a fucking troll post.

>>2148728
Because you shit heads are stupid.
>guy comes out
>massive pop
>fans love him
>but he makes no money
>draws no dimes
>Roman comes out
>people boo
>but they buy his shit
>he attracts more attendees
Of course they're going to push the guy who makes the money.

>>2148831
Zack cracked top percentile for merch sellers without even being on TV.

>Roman attracts more attendees

RECORD

>>2148728
I guess they don't want wrestlers to get too big like Hogan or the Rock to where they can get up and leave or have creative control.

>>2148834
LOW

>Ryderetty

>>2148737
Basically this.

Rumors is that he simply doesn't like when guys get over, and he has to have a hand in them getting over. That is the most retarded thing I ever heard, especially since the point of being a wrestler is to get fans behind you. But Vince it would seems hates this.

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>>2148831
>Romanetty
>he attracts more attendees
THE STATE OF FEDORAMEN, HAVING TO LIE TO MAKE THE AVERAGE PUPPER LOOK STRONG

>>2148869
Hawkins is the Jannetty to Zack Ryder AND Trent Barretta.

>>2148876
And Ryder is the Jannetty to Mojo

>>2148881
Mojo's biggest career accomplishment is getting the shit beat outta him on Takeover by RuRu

So remind why Vince just cant fire all creatives and get some new which are actually good?

>>2148899
Because they're not the problem.

Name 3 times that has happened

>>2148728
They gave Ryder several chances and he obviously didn't spark enough interest (or smark enough interest)
His recent push with the new theme was welcomed with crickets so they paired him with based Mojo.

>>2148957
That WWE has buried somebody for being more over than Vince wants them to be?

>Ambrose
>Bryan
>Christian

>>2148965
Shitposting or just a moron?

>>2148899
Because creative isn't the problem. Vince is the problem. He often rewrites the entire script hours before RAM starts.

Ryder getting the IC belt at Wrestlemania... for losing the next day and doesn't have a rematch.

>>2148968
Nice spam reply
>I-I don't argue with troools
You're delusional if you think Vince didn't see Ryder's momentum decrease, then naturally put a stop to it instead of wasting screen time on a failed experiment, I bet you think just-happy-to-be-here Zayn should be in the main event at mania too.
Too many people clueless shitters here who unironically think they know what's best for a multi million dollar business.

>>2148728
As people have said it's primarily an ego thing. Vince has always had final say over everything and he very much believes in his ability to make the fans like what he wants them to like. Business-wise, it's a retarded choice but justified as a power and control thing. If you owe everything to the company because they made you then you're less likely to strike out on your own or give the company a hard time, because without them you'd be nothing.

>>2148985
Gotta get more smark cred now and again, even if it means putting a jobber over for a night.

>>2148993
>troll mad his shitposts arent taken seriously
lmao

Because if a guy gets over organically on their own, they realize their worth isn't purely tied to Vince's whims, they realize they are worth something and should act like they're worth something, they might start having a problem with the retarded angles creative comes up with, they might have a problem with being jobbed out on Raw every week. Y'know, they might start acting like a human being with feelings and desires and not one of Vince's puppets.

Also, you might decide to fuck off and do your own thing like Rock, Punk and oh look at that, Cena, too.

At the very least, SmackDown seems a bit more okay with it. Slater got over and they let him have a run with the belts.

>>2148831
>Ryder draws no dimes
Even the shitposting of this board is going downhill.

>>2148985
He had a rematch on the next week and lost due to Maryse interference.

>>2148994
If you wanna know why Vince will never stop pushing Roman, guess what, it's this.

>>2149000
You've had 2 chances to dispute Ryder's jobberness.

>>2149007
Y'know, it's a great gimmick and led to some great matches, but why didn't Bryan or Shane ever just fucking ban Maryse from ringside to start a match or add a "If Maryse interferes, Miz loses the title" stip?

>>2148993
Vince put a start to Ryder's momentum decreasing.

You're a mark.

>>2149012
You can't even keep your bullshit consistent.

>>2149013
It's one of those idiosyncrasies of wrestling you just have to go with, like "Why don't they stop running when they get Irish Whipped?", it doesn't matter how many times Matt Striker tells me is so that they're not blindsided from the back as they're stopping, it's just dumb.

>>2148985
Ryder was put in the match entirely because Neville injured himself, he was very very obviously going to be a transitional champion. It sucks but if anyone expected better for him they're delusional.

>>2149021
Nothing wrong with being a transitional champion, it happens, the problem is being part of a one day transition. He could at least have feuded with Miz until Payback.

The wigger idea for John Cena plus the raps were all CENA.

Why wasn't he stopped then?

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>>2148728
Are you retarded?
Vince can't afford to let his ego show anymore with the garbage ratings. His ass has completely collapsed and has been focusing on alot of wrestlers that the IWC loves, the same fans he's despised for years.

Some wrestlers just don't get a pass like Ryder regardless of his Internet following because he's utter shit (even then he gave him a few tries)

>>2149024
He could've, but there was literally zero plan in place. They had nothing. They had to make a last second switch and they just went for a quick surprise and pop for Wrestlemania. It was nice for Ryder, he got a belt, but then it was time to get the regular show back on track and obviously that meant that he had to go back to being a nobody.

>>2149018
At least your pointless replies are consistent

>>2149028
That was pre Vince's final meltdown[s] in the mid-late 2000s

>>2149029
Ryder is better than guys Vince has wanted to build his company around.

>>2149034
>"pointless"

kek this is a pewdiephile-tier attempted rebuttal

>>2149044
No he's right though, if you just stop replying to the obvious troll then he's more likely to go away. It's not like /asp/ is lacking in shitposting.

Most of them are ironically over.
>Damien Mizdow
>Chris Jericho (currently)
>Moustached Cody Rhodes
>Zack Ryder Internet Champion
>James Ellsworth
It would be a huge mistake to seriously push any of these guys just because the crowd thinks they're "leddit xD" funny.
They have to have other qualities to them that make them good.
And wwe usually do push the stars that have these other qualities.

>>2149054
>-t. Nami

>>2149028
Vince wasn't the control freak that he is now and Cena was picked to be a main eventer from the beginning.

>>2148777
>at first people liked punk but now more and more people are getting tired of Indy spot monkeys
I only started hating him after he walked out and turned out to be a huge mark for himself. I know people will say "Undercarder" but I have a lot of respect for Taker and when he said he had no passion while wrestling him, it rubbed me the wrong way.

>>2149069
He was on the chopping block until he broke out his Vanilla Ice impression at a halloween party, so that began the Thuganomics Cena

>>2149082
The only source on this is conjecture from John.

You're being worked.

>>2148728
It allows the company to determine who is valuable, thus giving them control over the product by not having to worry about one performer becoming popular and deciding to fuck off.

It's their way of keeping a monopoly.

>>2148993
Wasting screen time? Yeah, they only have 5 hours weekly between Ram and SmA+cdown every week.

Wasting screen time is what they're best at, anyway.

>Vince put a start to Ryder's momentum decreasing.

This is clear.

>>2148728
Because they'd never draw a dime and Vince knows it

>>2148863
-ENS

>>2148834
A record that has been broken by every subsequent champion.

At least BBD kept it steady for a while, even got a big ratings boost when he won it. Plus the merch he sells is second only to cena.

>>2149420
No, they haven't.
No, he didn't.
No, it isn't.

>>2149024
The problem with that is...

>Ryder vs. Miz at Payback means no Cesaro vs. Miz at Payback
>Which means Cesaro vs. Miz isn't interrupted by Zayn and Owens
>Which means no awesome Fatal Four Way at Extreme Rules.
See the problem?

>>2149430
>Miz not getting a push

How's that a problem?

>>2149437
Because after the brand split, it became fucking awesome.

Having said that, feuding with Ryder probably would've been better than feuding with Ziggler because Ryder can do something besides do screechy "I GIVE EVERYTHING TO THIS BUSINESS" promos and people actually like him.

Also, if he was feuding with Miz, maybe his leg wouldn't have exploded.

>>2149447
>Ryder hurts his leg
>Plans for him and Mojo to lose to the Wyatts have to be scrapped
>WWE fast tracks American Alpha beating the Wyatts without having them do a single successful defense
>American Alpha gets backlash from the public
God fucking dammit.

Ryder is god awful on the mic and has shown any signs of improvment.

Be thankful that he atleast was useful for getting our guy Big Match Miz over

>>2149461
Y'know, considering the story is "friction between Randy and Luke is making the Wyatts lose", probably to lead to Harper breaking off and going single, I kinda can't help but wonder. Fucking what if they were gonna put those belts on Zack and Mojo.

It hurts a little too much to think about.

>>2149470
hasn't*

>>2148728
because wwe thinks that the brand should be over, not the wrestlers. Guys like hogan, scsa, the rock, and even Batista to some extent have all gone on to have good careers outside of wrestling, proving they don't need wwe anymore and that really burns Vince's ass. He's making sure that never happens again by making sure no wrestler will be culturally relevant when they leave. That's also why they've begun copywriting wrestlers names (like how Cody Rhodes can't perform with his last name attached).

>>2149493
To be incredible fair Cody's last name isn't actually Rhodes. But then we get into clusterfuck lawsuit territory over whether WWE has the rights over the name "Cody Rhodes" specifically and whether they can have that degree of control over the Rhodes name which came into prominence outside of the WWF and whatnot. If Dusty signed that stuff away then Cody's just plain fucked, though.

>>2149509
His real name is Runnels, yeah, but it's still pretty fucked up to not let him use the name Rhodes. Having said that,
>WWE doing fucked up shit to the Rhodes family
Hardly surprising.

>>2149509
Yeah, I meant it more in the sense of he can't use it to promote himself in any other fed or put it on a movie poster in the future like Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson. It's just wwe trying to cut their legs out from under them if they ever leave

>>2148899

Because Vince doesn't want good writers, he wants a bunch of invertebrate yes-men who will kiss his ass and tell him that all of his terrible ideas are good.

Not that changing up Creative would fix anything, since Vince would still just force his shitty ideas.

>>2149509
Dustin still owns his name apparently.

>>2149029
>Vince can't afford to let his ego show anymore with the garbage ratings
And yet 80% of RAM episodes end with 'THE BIG DOG STANDING TALL'

>>2149493

>Hogan

Name one successful thing he did outside of Wrestling.

Shit, name ONE successful thing he did outside of the WWE after leaving the AWA that wasn't the NWO.

His movies are all godawful. Pastamania was an abortion, his influence on TNA was the drizzling shits.

>>2149447
One worked shoot doesn't make up for literal months of crap.

>if he was feuding with Miz, maybe his leg wouldn't have exploded.

That's not how physiology works.

>>2149472
It's still astounding that Gable & Jordan pinned Orton twice.

You really think Zack or Mojo would've gotten to do it?

>>2151154
>Name one successful thing he did outside of Wrestling.

getting 31 million and bankrupting gawker

>>2151207
his lawsuit was funded by a billionaire, he was just the avatar through which the wealthy guy destroyed Gawker.

>>2151213
You have to admit it's fairly impressive how Hogan always manages to convince people that really should know better into giving him money.

>>2151232
Just working the marks brother

>>2149098
He debuted on Smackdown and floundered in the mid card for nearly a year until they started having him work with the major headliners like Angle, Lesnar and Taker.

Meanwhile Orton on Raw was having a huge legend killing push and headlining Raws and interbrand PPVs.

>>2151297
Cena's debut was literally vs. Angle and his first program was against Jericho.

>nearly a year

Rapper Cena came about less than 6 months into his tenure.