https://sports.vice.com/en_us/artic le/breaking-kayfabe-an-i

Based Big Balls Vince still working the "writers".

>Vince is no genius and simply got lucky that WCW killed themselves in the 90s.

ACKSHULLY, Vince back then -- along with the writers, which were few -- planned out long-term, but still managed to keep elements of unpredictability in there.

Who's the source? A writer that got fucking fired after a couple months? Like the guy that got fired and tried to pin it on a gay sex scandal months after the fact? Why don't the long standing writers never say anything like this?

>>2036884
because they want to keep the connections dipshit

>>2036889
As opposed to a guy that got fired and wants to do damage to the company with hearsay? Freddie prinze Jr doesnt need to do anything with wwe anymore.

>vice

Never mind it's just an article for fucking idiots like you with lousy sources

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>this is what a wwe writer looks like

Thank you for shooting down these faggots ideas, Vince.

>>2036892
why would Freddie Prinze Jr give a fuck about talking shit about WWE? That would actually hurt his image as a nice guy dumbfuck

>>2036893
Reminder this guy knew what to do with Roman Reigns a year ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSUvg_fMOJk

>>2036938
>Freddie Prinze Jr
>nice guy

This is the same faggot who attacked Kiefer Sutherland because he's a jealous piece of shit.

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>>2036840
>not expecting wrestling to die when the Internet came around

>>2036840

>He gives his feedback, adjustments are made over the weekend (writers are known to stay in the office until at least midnight), and then, during a meeting on Monday, he gives the final sign-off—or changes his mind.
>All Vince cares about is that night's show—not 15 weeks later,

This is why WWE is ass. Shit is changing the night of the show and there is ZERO thought to next week's show.

Vince knows what the fuck he's doing. This isn't a normal TV show. Why plan out weeks or months in advance when any one of your wrestlers can get injured at any time and screw up your well laid storylines? Marks.

>>2037097
18+
That's literally what they've done for years. The only time they haven't done that was during the Attitude Era, and that was simply because they were going by the ratings/crowd reactions to certain wrestlers so they went week-by-week.

>>2037021
>The Internet wasn't around in the 90s
Get a clue. 18+

>>2037021
People knew wrestling was fake by the 70s

I'd work for WWE. I'd happily stay until midnight talking about and writing about wrestling. That's what I do here every night anyway.

>>2038356
have sex

>>2038356
Would you still do it if your ideas were just flat out ignored and your co workers weren't interested in talking about wrestling fandom and more about how you were going to push Cena merch this week on tv?

>>2038412
different guy here. i think wwe has shitty merch overall and i would love to give input on the merch and then try to get it over on the show.

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Alex Greenfield, former Smackdown head writer

>Interestingly, it’s the defenses of Dunn that I find most intriguing.

>The unanimity with which people hate on KD would absolutely set off my skepticism spidey sense if I didn’t know the guy. It feels to me like a lot of the defense in these comments can be boiled down to, "We don’t know the guy and he can’t POSSIBLY be as bad as these people are saying." I totally understand the instinct to say that. Here’s the thing: I worked closely with KD for a couple years at WWE when I was a writer/producer on the creative team, and he absolutely IS that bad.

>One of the primary arguments in his defense is that WWE product looks good, and that this demonstrates that he is a talented television director/producer. I’ve worked on a number of sports projects over the years and I’m here to tell you that KD is not one lick more talented than the EP/director of a mid-market NBA team. Indeed, I argue that WWE television would be well served bringing in someone just like that to take over television production because they would be more creative and could get outside the box programming has been in since the early-‘00s.

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>>2038422
>WWE shows do look good, but they also look the same. There’s a homogeneity to the feel of the product that stems directly from Dunn. His creative instinct is fast food: if it works, don’t muddle with it and keep Vince convinced it is the only way to do things by any means necessary.

>When I took over as the head writer of Smackdown in the summer of 2006, one of the first things we pitched was to replace Kevin Dunn as the executive producer and promote Tim Walbert to take over the position. Tim was one of our directors (something KD is actually no good at doing – he can’t actually direct a live show to save his life) and was more than qualified for the job. We wanted Smackdown to look and feel like a completely different television than product – think in terms of Nitro vs. Raw – and for a little while Vince was intrigued by the idea (and Stephanie supported it as well).

>Kevin, naturally, cared more about his fiefdom than trying something different with a show. He started his whisper campaign with Vince the moment we got off the plane (I intentionally did the initial pitch of the idea in Kevin’s presence on a flight back from TV). He buried Tim, me, the idea of a different feel to the product as a whole. It’s not just what another commenter said – that KD doesn’t give a shit about wrestling and is all about sports/entertainment – it’s that he wants to create an entertainment product that’s like fast food. He wants his job to be easy.

>>2038422
The production is truly terrible. NXT is even fucking worse. Amateur cheap looking garbage. The Lana hotel segment looked so fucking bad and awkward with those weird camera cuts to the same fucking angle but with the second cameraman a few metres to the right.

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>>2038427
>That means neutralizing any threat. Stephanie took a shine to me pretty early in my time at WWE and started grooming me to take over a show. She was no fan of KD at that point and it was very clear to me that he and handful of Vince’s other stooges would be gone at the moment of she and Hunter’s coronation. There are plenty of writers out there who bury Steph at every opportunity, but I remain convinced that the company will be in better hands when she takes the reins.

>Any rate, the faith Stephanie had in me did not go unnoticed by KD and he did not like that at all. He didn’t like Stephanie having someone ambitious working for her, and he didn’t like that I was clearly on her side. So he started burying me with bullshit. It got back to me that he’d told one of the segment producers that I’d been slipped a roofie and passed out in a hotel lobby.

>This was not the case.

>I got my heat back on him plenty, but it was a constant fight long before I was given the head writer nod. The more instructive part of the story is that Kevin did this with anyone he perceived as a threat. Vince is a bit capricious about who he lets in his ear. Whenever he got close with Bruce Prichard, KD would be right there the first time Bruce was out of earshot burying him. Same with Brian Gewritz. Same with JBL. Same with JR. Same with a long list of people, and this I personally observed. KD once tried to turn ME against another writer who was similarly ambitious. Anyone who posed a danger to Dunn’s position from any perspective – a producer at the studio, a talent, whoever – KD would bury them to the boss. This was true even when there wasn’t any real threat.

>>2038431
>So yes, KD still has a job, but I think the way you treat people matters. There is certainly something to be said about being cutthroat in a corporate culture that rewards sociopathy. I was no kinda freaking angel to get ahead as quickly as I did. At the same time, WWE would be a better place to work that would present a better product if Kevin Dunn were gone.

>Case in point, one of the big rubs on KD: he’s a misogynist influence on the product. I can tell you this is absolutely true and I learned it almost from jump street. One of the long term stories I’m most proud of from my time at WWE was being the principal producer on the Trish Stratus/Mickie James "Single White Female" story. There’s no humble in the brag when I say we grabbed the audience by the throat by a couple weeks into the angle and our quarter-hour ratings bore that out.

>The first time we were given a crossover segment because the story was getting over, KD fought it tooth and nail. He fought us every week. Show was heavy? KD wanted to cut Trish/Mickie. "Temple of Trish" segment? KD argued that we needed more action and people would get bored. Lesbian kiss? "Trish has gotta like it!" Every single element, he wanted both protagonist and villain to be sexier and stupider.

>>2037097
>Not planning alternatives in case of botches

Obtain a GED

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>>2038433
>Perhaps the following scene will be more instructive. You are on the WWE corporate jet. Imagine every rock star plane in any movie: four captain’s chairs facing each other in the front. Behind them, two benches facing each other across the aisle on which are crammed the writers. The captains? Vince, KD, Michael Hayes, HHH (Steph was on maternity leave, of Hayes would have been on the bench). We’re flying back from TV after taping one of the early WWECW shows. Kelly Kelly has just been introduced as the domestic [violence] partner of Mike Knox.

>Hayes: She just feels cold, you know? She’s not connecting.

>Vince: Mm. She needs to find her sensuality.

>KD hops up and down in seat with sniggering laughter in that "Hey, boss, pay attention to me" way. Vince turns to him.

>KD: She NEEEEDS to find some TITS!

>KD continues to snicker, eyes on Vince, begging for approval. Vince snorts. Conversation continues.

>This kind of thing? The tendency to present women as only softcore objects? Those conversations came every single day, and KD was the WORST about pissing on any serious woman’s program.

cornette was right again

>>2036840
>>In many respects, Vince still operates his billion-dollar company as if he were still promoting a regional wrestling circuit, which is certainly uncommon for an organization of WWE's size. "All Vince cares about is that night's show—not 15 weeks later, like how all other television shows work,"

This is just pure bullshit. The Megapowers was a 12 month long angle that ran while Vince was in charge. Bret and Shawn was cultivated over several years (though admittedly most of that story was told within the matches), and Ministry was plotted out over several months.

Saying "local promotions don't run long term programs" just confirms what all the old guy pundits say about the WWE writers - that they don't know shit about wrestling.

>>2038447
small promotions like roh actually do the best long term programs in my opinion. like zayn/steen

>>2038453
I think so too. It's like some dickhead got a job in WWE and was pretending he was writing for Game of Thrones or something, and got kicked out for being shit at the job he was employed to do.

>>2038430
Is Dunn involved with NXT production? I just assumed that was Hunter's pet project and he had his own personal crew working on it.

WWE sounds like a bigger nightmare than I thought.

>>2038412
The level of disdain and disinterest you suggest isn't a million miles from typical reactions posting here

>>2036974
Landis knows jack shit. He just parrots general snark consensus that he probably reads on Reddit.

Max Landis is fucking retarded.

>>2038447
Well it true to a point, bit it's not really news since it's been long confirmed for decades. Vince loves to change shit around, even going as far as to change entire angles the day of the show.

At the same time, the really big over arching stuff generally maintains a thread. Like when HHH won the Rumble, everyone realised that Reigns would pick up the return win at Mania. That's some long term planning they kept to.

Overall though I don't think it necessarily proves anything. Vince does this to keep an element of surprise to his product, and given how quickly dirtsheets get information, you can see why. Also, it in theory keeps WWE's finger on the pulse, so they can react on time and call audibles depending on how the audience react to certain wrestlers (although that's far less common to actually happen these days).