ITT: We rank wrestlers based on Bret Hart's curriculum of

>>1891651
Why not just keep it in the same thread?

>>1891651
Edge

6/10 body
6/10 in ring ability
7/10 charisma

19 out of 30

Whose Next? DDP

>>1891660
What do you mean? I want to keep it in this thread. Now somebody rank edge...

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Im next....

>>1891651
Its not body rating or charisma, its lookand promo

Look
In ring
Promo

Stupid motherfucker

>>1891669
I did rank Edge. And you know damn well what thread.

>>1891665
>DDP

4/10 body
3/10 In ring ability
4/10 Charisma

Batista

>>1891651

Bret Hart:

Body: 4 out of 10
In Ring ability: 8 out of 10
Charisma: 2 out of 10

>>1891678
>Batista
Body 7/10
In ring ability 1/10
Charisma 2/10

10/30

Vampiro

>>1891684
>Vampiro

Body 1/10
In ring ability 2/10
Charisma 6/10

9/30

Chris Benoit

>>1891691
30/30

Sting

>>1891696
0/30

Chris Benoit

>>1891691
>Benoit

Body 6/10 (stubby arms, short)
Ability 9/10
Charisma 1/10

16/30

Raven

Brett Hart

Body: 6 (points deducted for being a manlet)
Charisma: 6
In ring ability: 10

Shawn Michaels:
Body: 7 (2 points added for his appeal to female demographic)
Charisma: 10
In ring: 9

>>1891698
>Benoit again
30/30

Are you stupid?

>>1891701
>Shawn Michaels:
>Body: 7 (2 points added for his appeal to female demographic)
>Charisma: 10
>In ring: 9

if any of that was true his run as a top guy would not have nearly killed the company

>>1891701
>Shawn Michaels:
>Charisma: 10

LMAO

80s Hogan:

Body: 10
Charisma: 10
In ring ability: 6

26/30

90s Hogan:
Body: 9
Charisma: 10
In ring ability: 5
24/30

Millennium Hogan:
Body: 8
Charisma: 10
In ring Ability: 3
21/30

>>1891711
I guess it's a good thing we're not talking about just one or two years of a wrestler's career then.

>>1891711
Im using Brett's rating system which is obviously flawed, he should add quality of angles, which they both sucked in during the 90s

>Kevin Owens
Body: -5
Charisma: 2
In-ring: 6

>Finn Balor
Body: 6
>Charisma: 0
In-ring: 4

>Seth Rollins
Body: 5
Charisma: 0
In-ring: 4

>Roman Reigns
Body: 7
Charisma: 0
In-ring: 3

>Dean Ambrose
Body: 3
Charisma: 5
In-ring: 3

>John Cena
Body: 10
Charisma: 10
In-ring: 8

Phil Brooks:
Charisma: 8
Looks:4
In ring: 7.5

19.5/30

>>1891729
Cena is nowhere above a 7 in ring ability, most of his career it was 5-6 range

>>1891729
>Everyone I don;t like has 0 charisma

>>1891651
Of course wet shart wouldn't include 'dimes drawn' which is obviously the most important thing. Jerimanlet would score -1

>>1891746
I'm not gauging his entire career's average, I'm gauging his current state.
It's a borderline 9, if we're being autistic. I'm just not going into decimals.

>>1891729
>Cena 8
Lel, he's slightly above average on his best day

>>1891665
>edge
>7/10 charisma
Nah

>The Miz
Body: 6
Charisma: 9
In-ring: 5

>Rusev
Body: 7
Charisma: 9
In-ring: 8

>>1891753
But I don't like Kevin Owens and I gave him two whole points.

>>1891651
I'd give Jerhico an 8.5-9 for in ring and a 7 for body, he didn't have a lot of mass but he had a decent tone and never looked bloated like Beniot, Bret, and Eddie did

>>1891757
Michaels would score even lower

>>1891729
accurate

>>1891766
You don't understand how it works. The overall production value never falls on one WRESTLER.

>HBK
Body: 5 (skinny twink and pretty ugly)
Charisma: 2 ( R E C O R D L O W S)
In-ring: 8

>Bret Shart
Body: 8
Charisma: 0
>In-ring: 10

>Austin
Body: 9
Charisma: 10
In-ring: 9

>>1891775
>It's okay when Shawn tanks, but no one else ever drew any dimes

>>1891759
Right now hes above average at 7 as long as he has an opponent who is also a good-great wrestler. When his opponent isn't John slacks off and gives nothing over a 6

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>>1891787
I respectfully disagree with your opinions on the matter and would like to politely request you get yourself some intercourse.

>>1891778
Austin was a 7 in ring, he wasn't a great wrestler, especially after Owen Hart broke his neck and he could only do a brawling style

>>1891787
>John isn't carried to good matches, he just has bad matches with bad wrestlers
How fucking delusional

fandango

body 10
charisma 9
in ring 9.8

>>1891801
Its not fucking delusional, guys like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, and Eddie Guerro could have good matches with anyone, Shawn had a fucking MOTY with Vince freaking McMahon. John can't have a good match with everyone, he needs indy darlings

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Stone Cold
>Body 8
>Charisma 10
>In ring 8
Rock
>Body 9
>Charisma 10
>In ring 8
Lesnar
>Body 10
>Charisma 3
>In ring 6.5
Punk
>Body 5
>In ring 8
>Charisma 10
Jeff Hardy
>Body 5.5
>Charisma 7.5
>In ring 7.5
Kane
>Body 10
>In ring 8
>Charisma 5
RVD
>Body 6.5
>Charisma 5
>In ring 9.5
HHH
>Body 10
>Charisma 7.5
>In ring 6.5
Orton
>Body 8
>Charisma 6.5
>In ring 7

>>1891811
Chris Benoit

body 7
charisma 3
in ring 9

total:19

Chris Benoit

>>1891822
stone cold was much better in ring than the rock was

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Triple H
>Look: 10
>Promo/ Charisma: 10
>In ring: 10

>>1891720
WCW Hogan was shit in the ring, he was on autopilot almost the whole run. If 00s Hogan was a 3 in the ring then 90s Hogan deserves a 2. He had better matches with Angle, Rock, and even Vince than his entire WCW run outside of the Flair matches where they were the same every time.

ITS NOT BODY AND CHARISMA ITS LOOK AND FUCKING PROMO


FUCK OFF NEWFAGS REEEEEEEEEEE

Christian Cage
Body 7/10
In ring: 9/10
Charisma: Captain Charisma/10
total: Instant Classic/30

You guys are too liberal on body rankings, you have to use Vince's standard which takes into account both Height and body builder physique. A lot of manlets are ranked too high

>>1891873
ITS NOT FUCKING BODY BODY DOESNT COME INTO THE EQUATION FUCK THE FUCK OFF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Stone Cold
>Body 5
>Charisma 9
>In ring 8
Rock
>Body 7
>Charisma 10
>In ring 6
Lesnar
>Body 9
>Charisma 1
>In ring 7
Punk
>Body 2
>In ring 5
>Charisma 6
Jeff Hardy
>Body 4
>Charisma 5
>In ring 7
Kane
>Body 8
>In ring 5
>Charisma 2
RVD
>Body 5
>Charisma 5
>In ring 8
HHH
>Body 6
>Charisma 4
>In ring 4
Orton
>Body 7
>Charisma 6
>In ring 6

>>1891857
Body and look are the same thing, and charisma is somewhat correlated with promo.

Promo is hard to rate, a lot of guys who cut good promos in the 80s sucked during the 90s, and a lot of guys like Shawn cut good promos during the 2000s but sucked in the 90s

>>1891660
faggots like you need to leave 4chan fuck you and your goody two shoe ass

>>1891880
>Body and look are the same thing

No. Look takes in costume, style, how the guy carries himself, all of that.

>>1891880
Drugged up shooting Shawn promos in the 90s>>>>boring 00s Shawn

The Hogan feud was the only time he cut good promos again and that was the "old Shawn"

>The Rock
Body:8
In Ring: 8
Charisma: 10
26/30

>Stone Cold
Body: 9
In Ring: 7
Charisma: 10
26/30

>Lesnar
Body: 10
Charisma:5
In ring: 9
24/30

>Taker
Body: 9
Charisma: 7
In ring: 7
23/30

>Randy Savage
Body: 9.5
Charisma: 10
In ring: 9
28.5/30

>>1891880
> body and look are the same thing
No
Its obviously not

Bam Bam had a good look but a big fat gut
Same with Vader

>>1891908

>The Rock
>In Ring: 8

What the fuck?

>>1891914
Not him but Rock is really underrated in-ring. He sold like a motherfucker and was a god-tier showman/athlete who also got the crowd completely invested in what he was doing.
He was great – maybe not 8, but great.

>>1891651
>Bret leaves out promo/mic skills

top kek

Batista
Body: 10/10
In Ring: 7/10
Charisma: 10/10

>>1891886
Look is still imperfect off that criteria, a lot of guys would get a low ratings for an outfit that was good for their time but considered honky now. Plus the way someone carries themselves can be considered charisma

>>1891919
and the most important one

>ability to draw

>>1891919
Batista is an /asp/ darling purely because he's big and didn't go over the shitter known as DBry
He actually wasn't good

Brian Kendrick
Body: 8/10 (6/10 in 2008)
In Ring: 7/10
Charisma: 8/10
Total: 23/30

TJ Perkins
Body: 8/10
In ring: 8/10
Charisma: 5/10
Total: 21/30

>>1891914
The Rock wasn't technical but he was athletic for a guy his size and utilized a moveset to take advantage of that. The Rock moved around the ring like Ali did in boxing. Austin was never athletic but was a decent technical wrestler before injuries limited him. The Rock's style was more versatile than Austin, which just turned into brawling in the end

>>1891938

To call him a great in-ring worker is a bit much. Moderation, man. Not every all time great was great in every aspect.

>>1891953
I consider 7 above average, 8 really good, 9 great, and 10 amoung the best

>>1891919
charisma is actually mic skills but OP changed it

>>1891961

What is this, IGN? 5 is average (or 5.5 if you want to be smart ass) and 6 is above average. 7 is good. Your scale is fucked, only three ratings indicate being good whereas 5 indicate bad.

>>1891922
yes of course there is overlap. Like a guy who is good in the ring will naturally be drawing on his charisma too to carry the action.

And I think an intelligent fan can see a style or costume might not work today, but still know it was good for its time.

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>Body
8/10
Knocking 2 points off for his lack of height, but otherwise he is practically a greek god and deserves a 8+.

>In-Ring
10/10
He can grapple, strike and high-fly, plus he's a GOAT seller. There's nothing this guy can't do in the ring.

>Charisma
4/10
He's bland, but doesn't stumble on the mic and with good booking/scripting he can be decent(see NXT Championship run). Not to mention he still gets the crowd to pop for him despite his atrocious booking, so I think 4 is fair.

So 22/30. Not bad.

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>>1891995
>>Body
>8/10
>Knocking 2 points off for his lack of height, but otherwise he is practically a greek god and deserves a 8+.
>>In-Ring
>10/10
>He can grapple, strike and high-fly, plus he's a GOAT seller. There's nothing this guy can't do in the ring.
>>Charisma
>4/10
>He's bland, but doesn't stumble on the mic and with good booking/scripting he can be decent(see NXT Championship run). Not to mention he still gets the crowd to pop for him despite his atrocious booking, so I think 4 is fair.
>So 22/30. Not bad.

>>1892004
Stop saving pictures of fat sweaty british guys, your mom is getting worried about you.

>>1892004
have sex

>>1891971
On a bell curve 5 is considered average, if you're plus or minus a standard deviation of 1 you're still not good. My ratings don't follow a bell curve exactly but can someone who is just a little above average at a 6 be considered "good"?

>>1892004
good reply

>>1891980
Fair enough but to be fair if I'm rating someone based on body I'm still going to take into account most if not all of the criteria you listed for look. A guy like Bam Bam had a decent look, based off your criteria I'd say probably an 8. Bam bam was a big guy but not all of it was fat, I'd say rating on physique alone he was a 6. Taking both of these into account I'd say overall look/body is a 7

>>1891822
>>1891877
>Kane
>low charisma
He's been saddled with god-awful stories for half his career, but his delivery and the way he carries himself used to be spot on, and is still great. You don't get a reputation as a monster like he did through looks and booking alone.

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BMAJ

>Look
8/10
>In-Ring
10/10
>Charisma
8/10

Total, 25

>>1891778
>Austin
>In-ring: 9
POO IN LOO

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>Look
8/10

>In-ring
10/10

>Charisma
8/10

>>1892030
Your mum sucked my bell curve
She was a little above average at the sex but i wouldnt consider her 'good'

Phil

>body 0
>in ring 3
> Charisma 6

Paul

>body 9
>in ring 8
>charisma 9

>>1893488
>putting HHH over Punk this ridiculously

It's not your fault.

>>1892171
this is the most accurate one in the entire thread

>>1891651
>body
You fucking faggot.

Enzo
Look: 2/10
In-ring: 1/10
Promo: 10/10

>>1892145
Math motherfucked do you know it

Seth Rollins

Body: 6/10
In ring 8/10 when not injuring
Promo 4/10
18/30

Scott Steiner

Body: 10/10
In ring: 7/10
Promo: 30/10
47/30
THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE

>>1893565
10/10 promo really?
>>1893574
>In ring 8/10 when not injuring
Youre literally contradicting yourself tard
6/10 ring skills for sloppiness

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>>1893574
Seth Rollins

Body: 9/10
In Ring: 8.5/10
Charisma: 7.5/10

Fixed it for you my dude.

>>1891681
If I recall, Bret gave himself a 7 in look, 10 in ringwork, and a 4 on the mic, for a total of 21.

His theory being that anyone over 20 was a legit star.

>>1893815

You got it right. He said he would be lucky to get a 4 on the mic, though. Still, that was earlier in his career before even won the IC title.

>>1892112
People who talk about charisma on this board never understand what physical charisma is. It's not just about making people like you, for fuck's sake, it's about making people believe your role.

If Kane isn't a fucking 10 in charisma, nobody is.

>>1893488
Look, I know Paul Heyman has a good body, but I think an 8 in ring is a bit much.

>>1893814
>Both Rollins
>8.5 in ring

Kill yourself my mark.

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>>1891935
>TJ Perkins
>Body:8/10

>Rollins
Look: 6
Mic: 4
In Ring: 8

>Reigns
Look: 9
Mic: 3
In Ring: 6

>Dean
Look: 6
Mic: 7
In Ring: 7

>AJ
Look: 7
Mic: 6
In Ring: 10

>Owens
Look: 3
Mic: 9
In Ring: 8

>Sasha
Look: 5
Mic: 3
In Ring: 6

>Charlotte
Look: 7
Mic: 4
In Ring: 6

Thinking about it, would any diva get over a 20?

>>1891678
>DDP
>3/10 In Ring
>4/10 Charisma

+18 plus you fucking faggot

>>1891729
>Balor Body
>6
I know he's small but you can't give him anything under a 7. He's so ungodly cut that Vince pushed him to the moon despite his height. That never happens.

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>Bastion Booger
Look: 0
Mic: 0
In Ring: 2