>The recent trend of low attendance at WWE live events continued

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>>1771531

Still better-attended than any show Cornette booked there!

time for wwe to stop pandering to the smarks

In b4 fools ignorant blaming "the indie darlings" for the current state of affairs,

You fool.

How come? To forget in Bray Wyatt is a great character to not graduate Indies. The only WWE ball to him. The error of that? It's false Daniel Brayn or creation-less mistakes of the WWE creative?

Blame Vince McMahon for failing to recognize that the talent and true and the ability to get up. Men like Damien Sandow and John Morrison / Mundo missed opportunity. skills Mika those two men, manners and people necessary. Why did WWE ball with them?

The biggest problem continues to support WWE man like Roman reign. They tried everything possible to get on this dude. Heck, not even hit lowest Vince McMahon's tactics.

I am not saying very wrong of Rome. You will see the fulfillment of Romans:
1) Headlined theme Wm less interesting history (against HHH)

>>1771540
In b4 fools ignorant blaming "the indie darlings" for the current state of affairs,

You fool.

How come? To forget in Bray Wyatt is a great character to not graduate Indies. The only WWE ball to him. The error of that? It's false Daniel Brayn or creation-less mistakes of the WWE creative?

Blame Vince McMahon for failing to recognize that the talent and true and the ability to get up. Men like Damien Sandow and John Morrison / Mundo missed opportunity. skills Mika those two men, manners and people necessary. Why did WWE ball with them?

The biggest problem continues to support WWE man like Roman reign. They tried everything possible to get on this dude. Heck, not even hit lowest Vince McMahon's tactics.

I am not saying very wrong of Rome. You will see the fulfillment of Romans:
1) Headlined theme Wm less interesting history (against HHH)

>>1771540
>I am not saying very wrong of Rome. You will see the fulfillment of Romans:
>1) Headlined theme Wm less interesting history (against HHH)
1. headlined the most WM (and WWE event) in history.
2. 20 year low has since been surpassed by the likes of Dean Ambrose and Kevin Owens.
3. He cut promos since he's been back from suspension.
4. Bray Wyatt transition was even. Roman takes one solo match and one tag match, and Bray record one solo match and one tag match. Bray Wyatt has also pinned Roman more than anyone else other than maybe Seth Rollins. Exactly how the Roman Bray's son?

>>1771531
Many climate killed popularity of wrestling. Certainly the current product / popularity can be seen in comparison to that of the war and during it. The more these days. UFC made a u more of a VKM **, screwed and VKM himself in his own idiocies and greed.

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>>1771531
>mfw

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>>1771534
True

The Indy manlets after Bryan will never recreate what he did. Get a clue WWE

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>>1771531
>You lived to see Pro Wrestling die in front of you.
It's a strange feeling.

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>>1771531
>WWE will die in your lifetime

>>1771581
All they need is an easy catchy chant

>>1771531
Isn't this pretty good compared to RoH and TNA, not that that is saying much.

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>>1771531
>>1771573
Do something Vince,you fuck...Save WWE already

>>1771585
Good, very good.

>>1771585
We need WWE to die and the smaller promotions to get bigger so we can actually see competition at the highest possible level.

>>1771626
>pro wrestling
>competition

>>1771605
WWE shows are far more expensive than TNA and RoH's shows

>>1771632
18+

>>1771632
Basically like monday night wars between WWE and WCW but instead we could have 3-4 companies fighting for it.

Fuck, it could be good.

>>1771636
Only the tv tapings, house shows are more affordable probably a bit more than roh

>>1771647
You're not even confident in what you're saying m8

>>1771642
>>1771626
You realize WWE is really dying because interest in wrestling in general has dropped to complete mainstream irrelevance right? If it reaches the point where it fails completely there won't be competition and smaller companies rising to take it's place in the market, it'll mean the market can't support large wrestling companies anymore because not enough people care enough about it. They'll remain small indie promotions or even shrink themselves.

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THE RECORD LOW CHAMP IS HERE

>>1771655
That's not Diesel

>>1771654
Not enough people care about WWE because it's been fucking awful for the majority of the last 15 years.

>>1771581

>will never recreate what he did

right. only one selfish little troll can bring a company down so he could get his WM moment.

>>1771676
>anti-smarklet cuccs still this triggered by The GOAT

Sure was selfish of Bryan to be more over than your midlife crisis hoss without even trying.

>>1771661
Yet even less people by far care about any other wrestling company. No wrestling company has been rapidly growing in the wake of WWE failing. People aren't stopping watching WWE and going and watching TNA or Lucha Underground or Evolve or anything in any numbers, they're just no longer watching wrestling. No one is doing well.

>>1771684
CMLL, NJPW & ROH have been gaining, the BritWres scene hasn't been this big in decades, Mexico just got so big a THIRD major lucha promotion started up...

>>1771683
Lol aint you the guy that typed out 10 pages of pure /smack/ autism this morning
Post another one chrischan

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>>1771689
> outlaw wrestling

this is entirely Roman's fault

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>>1771689
> outlaw wrestling

>>1771683
Yea his worst of all time run with the title showed that

>>1771683

the best comparison i can find to daniel bryan's title reign and WM moment is the NHL allstar game every year. smarks hate vince, hockey fans hate gary bettman. both say to themselves "i know, we'll take the least deserving ironic person possible and whine and bitch until the company has to bestow some honor upon them."

in wwe, smarks chose bryan. a skinnyfat manlet who's only in ring ability is sidekicks that can't cut a promo to save his life who's previous accolades in the big league include a comedy tag team with a washed up kane and jobbing to sheamus. smarks pissed and moaned and made him go over three legitimate champions for the most prestigious title in the industry in one night, ruining one for good in the process.

in the nhl, fans chose John Scott, the reigning heavyweight fighting champ of the sport that has fewer than 10 goals in his entire career. they pissed and moaned and voted him into the allstar game to stick it to the commissioner.

tl;dr: the reason smarks latched on to bryan so hard is because they recognized that he's exactly the kind of person that didn't deserve that WM moment. the very moment wwe decided to give into a loud vocal minority of basement dwelling wizards and put daniel bryan over will prove to be the turning point that killed wwe. bryan is wwe's aol/time warner merger.

>>1771716
Steph sadly thinks she's the best heel on the roster, while in reality she's getting the change the channel heat instead.

Every time she opens up RAW and then follows up with a shit tag match/women's "wrestling" it ruins any excitement I had for RAW.

>>1771709
But Shawn Michaels had the worst run of all time

>>1771721
>t. Fedoramen
Post WM 30 Raw 3.7 rating
Post WM 31 Raw 3.7 rating
Post WM 32 Raw 2.9 rating.

Stop making excuses. WWE shoving down everybody's throat Roman's talentless ass is the reason of this.
Bryan had been out of action for a year and a half before viewership collapsed. Roman was the center of WWE's plans during that.

It's Roman's fault.

Bryan wasn't liked by ''a vocal minority'' you literal imbecille. He had the support of 100% of the crowd. Above Cena and in the leagues of Austin and Rock.

>Roman Reigns costs WWE 1 million fans.
>arenas have empty sections

Gee what a fucking surprise.

Remember all those arguments ''Vince prefers doing 1 million dollars his way, than 2 million by listening to smarks''? Well go ahead.

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>>1771760

>Above Cena and in the leagues of Austin and Rock

you almost had me that you actually believe what you typed, right up until the end. gr8 b8 m8

>>1771703
No, I'm pretty sure it is Seth's fault

>>1771716
>put Seth Rollins and Kevin Owens on the same show
>Nobody likes it or watches it

Pottery

WWE runs house shows at the same time as Raw/Smackdown events.

Of course no one's going to go to them. If you're a WWE fan you're going to stay at home and watch tv or go to the actual show.

>>1771769
How could Roman cost 1 million fans when he was rotting in a midcard non title feud while Seth Rollins opened every show with a 20 minute shit promo, had the most screen time out of anyone, and was the focus of every show. Seth apologists are the worst

>>1771699
>>1771708
18+

>>1771776
Cena never got in his career the kind of support Bryan had at his peak.

>>1771792
Roman was literally the only thing going on for WM32.

And 1 million people less tuned on Raw the day after his win, compared not only to the previous year, but to the previous decades.

>>1771655
I think you meant to post one of the shieldettys.

>>1771721
XD

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Vince made a big mistake not pushing this guy to the moon. The last live event I went to a few years back, Ryback was over as fuck with normies. The average wrestling fan doesn't give a shit about Sammy Zane and these nu-male indie shits. And the funniest part? The smarks they decided to pander to won't be happy either and will continue pirating shows, never spending a dime, because they only exist to be contrarian.

>>1771626
WWE still makes hundreds of millions per year. NJPW is no. 2 pro wrestling company in the world. It made like 32 millions last year.

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>mfw they will clear Bryan as a last resort
>mfw he will die on live television
>mfw he won't draw a dime

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>RAW
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>1771937
SD house shows have even lower attendance

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>>1771943
keep telling yourself that rawtie saltie. tick tock

>>1771860

best post.

>>1771786
Why are they even doing this? Seems incredibly stupid. I think it's oversaturation desu. I'm a mark but I feel like it's too much of WWE product these days.
>several hours of SD, RAW and NXT every week
>two PPVs per month
Of course I would not attend a house show with terrible crowd when I can watch SD instead.

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>>1771964
>backlash, the inaugural ppv where a new champ was crowned, did an attendance of 7000 with major papering

>>1771837
18+

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>>1771531

>I posted a twiter picture from before the show started again

Why do we keep posting this shit and or house show pics from the asshole of Idaho and pretend that Raw or Smackdown is suffering in any way for real life attendance?

TV is a problem, but you fat fucking showerless smarks are to blame because you cannot afford basic cable and are forced to stream

pic related, this weeks raw

>>1772060
This

>>1772060
this
>live events are always sold out
>SD sells out for the first time in years
>SD, which struggled to have 2 million viewers before the brand split, now has 2.6. But marks choose to completely ignore this.

>>1772060
RAW didn't sell out a show until like February this year

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>>1772060
lol get worked by Kevin Dunn

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>wwe is the largest wrestling company in the world
>suddenly stops setting the bar and trues to emulate garage feds, losing a majority of their viewers

I mean, the fucking logic this company has is pathetic. They will go down in history as the only company to die off due to a LACK of competition. Let that sink in.

>>1773429
What garbage fed did the WWF emulate in 2001-2003 when it bled out over half its regular viewership?

>>1771584
If wwe died it would be the rebirth of Pro Wrestling desu

>>1773462

>this is what basement dwelling wizards actually believe

>>1773525
WWE isn't a wrestling company.

Ask the owner. He'll tell you himself.

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>>1773525
>>1773527
Vince is literally the anti-wrestlekino

>>1773546
I would legit love to see an actual movie or TV series directed/produced by Vince.

It'd be a fucking trainwreck.

>>1773546
>>1773552
don't forget Dunn. Dunn and Vince are a director/producer duo

and the only good writers they've had work for them were Russo and Heyman

>>1773429
They changed because they were bleeding viewers, it's not working because it's too little too late. They saw this coming years before the indie darling boom.

>>1773557
>Russo
>good

And no shoutouts to Kreski? Shame on you.

>>1771581
>what he did

Draw absolutely no money and set the wwe up to be destroyed?

>>1773598
Bryan is a confirmed ratings draw silly anti-smarklet cucc

>>1773407
>all the fans on one side
>wrestlers have to perform to the hard camera where there are no fans
must be awkward

>>1773600
"no"
now bust out the pwcuck links like you do every time

>>1771581
Bryan's underdog story was great, sadly now everyone in the roster is a 5' indie manlet so it would be impossible to create a similar story.

>>1773606
http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_79552.shtml#.V945yPCGNhE
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2022681-wwe-raw-viewership-soars-for-the-night-after-wrestlemania-xxx
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/522977-wwe-raw-viewership-2013-vs-2014-analysis

The numbers *don't* lie. And they spell disaster for you.

>pwcuck

Dafuq is this?

>>1773610
>sadly now everyone in the roster is a 5' indie manlet

You blind or just stupid?

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>>1773616
>http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/522977-wwe-raw-viewership-2013-vs-2014-analysis

>This all begs the question: was Daniel Bryan a factor in the RAW ratings?

>The months he was champion, or fighting for the title, were the lowest of 2013. That said, they were also expected to be low because of NFL and TV season kicking off. But because January to March 2014 – the time Bryan was fighting his way back to the title – also didn’t seem to generate interest on RAW, it makes you wonder.

>My theory is that WrestleMania just did incredibly well, and it being the 30th anniversary plus the launch of the WWE Network, there were a lot of eyes on the product. They had The Rock, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker‘s streak ending on one show, and the product was highlighted in a lot of major media publications. Once people realized it was just “business as usual”, the numbers went back down to just the weekly faithful. That 16% drop looks nasty

>>1773649
>champion for literally 1 night
>feuding with Ratings Killer Orton

Do you need me to put the rest of the pieces together for you?

>>1773462
Over the past 15 years WWE has lost like 7 million regular watchers. Those 7 million have not been watching alternatives. In fact the vast majority of the people who watch other wrestling STILL watch WWE. They're the hardcore that watch no matter what.

WWE has lost so many because nobody is watching wrestling in general. It's not soaking up a market that if it dies will then watch something else and cause them to grow. If WWE fails nothing is going to take it's place, it'll simply be the sign of the death of Pro Wrestling in general.

>>1773793
>it'll simply be the sign of the death of Pro Wrestling in general.

CMLL technically has a larger paying fanbase than WWE

I went to a WWF D-show in the 90's that had about 20 people there. It was almost all jobber matches and tryouts. The main event was The Young Stallions vs. The Bolsheiviks.

Also had an A-show with Hogan, Andre, etc. that about 100 people were at. They never came here again.

>>1773806
>The main event was The Young Stallions vs. The Bolsheiviks.

This can't be real.

>>1773806

OK gramps

>>1773802
Yeah, what he should have said is American Pro Wrestling in general. Mexicans will continue on about the same as they have for ages, though Japan also isn't doing well trendwise.

>>1773812
New Japan has been trending up these past few years

~tranquilo~

>>1773793
The reason that people don't watch alternatives is that they think, "Hey, maybe I should try wrestling again," flick on WWE, then ditch it again. If WWE wasn't there, then people who were getting a wrestling nostalgia buzz would look for something else. A lot of them wouldn't find anything easily, and would watch Game of Thrones or whatever. But some would end up watching other promotions and - if they found a good show - they'd keep watching.

Don't get me wrong, WWE going bust would suck for North American wrestling and it might wipe out the other televised promotions too. But wrestling has been through a TV bust before in the late 50s (after a huge boom earlier that decade). After some fallow years it came back.

>>1773886
If WWE wasn't there, no one would get a wrestling nostalgia buzz.

>>1773949
Wow, so they can't even capitalise on their own nostalgia.

>>1773886
Also, other promotions don't really offer something that somebody outside of a hardcore fan would enjoy in the long run.

In almost every indie promotion, even the "bigger" ones, there's almost no storyline and no characters beside "good wrestler" and "bad wrestler".

You can't expect people to come back to something like that after the Attitude Era.
There are exceptions. Chikara with a better budget and much more exposure would be great (i suppose...), And LU could easily beat WWE if it had a better national tv deal.

>>1773965
>In almost every indie promotion, even the "bigger" ones, there's almost no storyline and no characters beside "good wrestler" and "bad wrestler".

t. guy who never watches the indies

>>1773970
I watched ROH, PWG, Chikara and EVOLVE.
I also said that there are exceptions. Beside Chikara what other indie has characters and storylines that are more than just wrestling 101? Just curious.

>>1774003
And what exactly do you define as beyond "Wrestling 101"?

(Which is exactly what the WWE is bee-tee-dub)

>>1774042
I don't like WWE, i prefer LU.

As for Wrestling 101.
To put it simple: matches with no reason beside "It will be a good match", and totally average faces and heels that do not offer anything beside being good or bad.
I think a good match is a really good thing, nobody likes a bad match, no matter who's in it. We're talking about professional wrestling after all. But it should not stop there.

>>1774108
>To put it simple: matches with no reason beside "It will be a good match", and totally average faces and heels that do not offer anything beside being good or bad.

So you've not been paying attention to ROH?

>>1774144
I admit it's been a long time since i watched ROH. What happened?

>>1774157
Must've been a pretty a long time, because the Cole & O'Reilly literal blood feud has been going for years now.

>>1774177

Yeah, last time i watched they were a team. I know they disbanded, but haven't followed the whole story. Might catch up, thanks for the advice.

However, getting back to topic, i wasn't implying that indies are bad, and i also said that not all indies are the same. What i was saying is that most indies lack that mainstream appeal that WWE achieved by going outside of the wrestling boundaries and producing something more akin to a TV show (AE) only to then going "Yeah! We won!" and spending 15 years getting worse and worse.

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Look at this guy. This is what your average "mark" will look like in 5+ years. Pro wrestling is becoming a hipster thing. Is that really bad? I don't think so. WWE might go under, but honestly, you anti-smarks need to realize that wrestling's mainstream relevance is fucking DEAD. Terrible early 2000's started it, UFC finished it. Pro wrestling's only chance of survival is to become a subculture of its own.

>>1772037
>look mom I did the 18+ maymay!!!!!
Faggot

>>1774231
>maymay!!!!!
Fuck off dickhead

>>1774204
This is actually really accurate

>>1771716
b-but steph is the best heel ever!

>>1771921
They make hundreds of millions and see barely any profit from it. Revenue is higher than ever and so are the costs of running the company

>>1774204
>terrible early 2000s
Are you joking? 2000 was one of the WWF's best and most successful years, 2002 was pretty close behind. 2001 had what many consider to be the best Wrestlemania.

>>1774244
You're right, but since then, it was on steady decline.

>>1774244
2001-2002 had the WWF bleed out half its regular audience from 1999-2000

>be from Czech Republic
>Czech people don't even know what wrestling is
>there's a tiny backyard """federation""" of about 10 people
>they had a show at some metal festival with some CZW guy
>they drew a lot of people
>their main show will take place in a week, together with some Polish outlaws
>they already sold 200 tickets, added 200 more to the pool
>they might potentionally draw 300 people
>in a country that has largely no idea who The Rock is
what's WWE's excuse?