Martial arts general

>>1694456
Don't die man.

>>1694456
> "I'm a good street fighter, I want to see where I stand against someone who has been doing this for a while, I think I can take that guy"
> "don't be confused by his quiet demeanor, he'll literally kill you"
>the guy says "I have a fast left hook, I'll fight as long as he's not afraid of a little blood, I'll just wait until he makes a move and get him"
> "it isn't his blood you need to worry about, that wont work"

This is cringe tier dialogue and sounds like the sort of story Wu would make up

why is my anti-wwe filter list filtering /mag/ ?

>>1694456
Sparring my first kung fu guy on Saturday. It will be light contact because it's all he would agree to, hopefully I can get some decent video from it.

Also my challenge to any and all /asp/ members in the PNW is still open

>>1694355
Why was the last thread deleted?
>>1694456
>>1695054
I would love to see these.

>>1695532
It wasn't? It just hit the auto-sage limit and was archived, the link is on the OP.

Also, if you're thinking on the same thread on /fit/, it wasn't deleted either, just got dead and sunk into the archive. Someone could start another thread on there, but /fit/ is way faster than /asp/ and the last two MA generals have been archived before reaching the auto-sage.

>>1695054
Honestly he'll be terrible and you'll feel bad that you picked on somebody weak. Fight someone with experience man.

>>1695898
But if you decide to go through with it.

Could you like maybe do the whole cuckbelt speech? Tell him to man up and all that good shit. Please.

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Gracie barra.. four stripe white. I probably have a few months before I promote. Thinking of doing some Gi competition soon before I hit blue.. I wanna get some exp and some medals in the white division before I promote. NAGA is coming soon, but I heard it's a shitty tournament.. anyone have experience with NAGA?

>>1694456
why did he single you out in particular? I look forward to the video bro

>>1694456
>shredded
>knows how to hook properly

You know. That guy might be an mma fighter from another gym right? This isn't 1990, people know the ufc now.

I broke my toe and wanna buy shoes for mma. What are some good shoes for stand-up, wrestling and bjj?

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>>1694456
Please video if you humble him!

>>1696620
And tell him that he needs to man up and stop being a cuckbelt! Stop doing that karate-mumbo-jumbo shit and Train like a true martial artist. Stop being a strikingless judokack who can't even throw a decent jab. Stop being a boxucker, who gets taken to the ground and fucked in the ass.

Get him on his stomach and give him a wet-willy while clucking: KEK KEK KEK KEK!

>>1696711
You know, in MMA circles where People want to learn and develop this is considered a Dick move.

You probably did that to somebody way weaker than you, then they figured out that what you need... is a lesson. You being such a bully and shit. They probably went on a forum, hired a real mixed martial artist and now you're gonna feel what it is like to be a victim.

I find Your entire story unusual. We get People who want to learn, but not many Challengers. We get judokacks who have decided to man up and Train a Complete system. I think these People hired a Professional fighter for Your ass man.

Somebody who would give you a little taste of Your own medicine, somebody who thinks bullies like you suck. And now he is gonna pick you apart. Ever considered that? Think about that a little, doesn't feel so good now does it? Start feeling a little insecure and a lump in Your throat. You said it yourself, the guy was shredded. You didn't even do anything, but he chose you anyways. For some reason he singled you out. The snare is tightening around Your neck Anon, can you feel it?

After being such a cunt, you're gonna finally face the same suffering you've put on others. He is just gonna kick the shit out of you. Not so fun then is it, not so fun when you're the victim.

https://youtu.be/IXTlXRDRSqM?t=53s

>>1696727
Yeah, he sounds like one of those refugees who sign up and have PTSD issues. Fuck I hate instructing those ISIS-fuckers. They think they're there to kill People. One guy I had turn kicked a 14 year old girl right in the fucking liver, I had to get her for a ultra-sound on the local hospital. He was fucking great riddance.

>>1696754
Who cares, that is boxing.

They don't clinch, they barely trap and frame. They don't elbow, knee, kick, wrestle, throw, pin, roll or submit.

Victory and loss in such a Limited ruleset i meaningless.

CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>1696805

You mad?

Hahaha

This is what you look like to us. You are cuckbelts, you're living in the stone ages. Wake up, its 2016, we've allready proven that Your art is BS, just chug it or get called out as a cuckbelt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_3F6Zwbp9E

>>1695549
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize what happened to them on either board.

>>1695997
It's pricy but you'll find a wide variety of beginners and it's important that you compete often in BJJ. Compete ASAP!

>>1696737
Post a video of you training
>>1696711
You're allowed to have a healthy amount of violence when you go live/spar but don't injure your partners. It causes needless drama in my experience

I teach a kyokushin karate class and have been an onsite medic at tournaments since 2010

Ask me anything

>>1696923
What's the nastiest injury you have ever seen?

>>1696916
post Your personal info and social media profiles first.

Dox yourself before you ask other People to give up their anonymity on 4chan. You giant retard.

>>1696926
A dude did a low leg kick on his opponent, opponent tried stepping forward to compensate but stepped into the kick, tore his miniscus, ACL, and PCL all at the same time. His leg was bent the wrong way. Looked like a flamingo.

Another dude took a roundhouse to the head and started having a seizure.

>>1696923
One guy got kicked in the nuts from an inside leg-kick, it strifed his balls so hard they ripped his ballsack apart and I had to push the left testickle back in wearing nothing but a blue latex glove. To top it all off his wife was cheating on him With a black guy who did mma. Even after all he did for that black Nice piece of cloth.

>>1696966

Even if you beat me it won't change the fact that Goju Karate, heart of a Whole, is shiiieet compared to MMA.

The UFC is offering you big Money to disprove that. Just walk right in. But you won't because you know in Your heart that MMA is superior to Goju as a lone martial art. You're out of Your League.

My advice is to simply stop being a cuck and man up, Train MMA if martial art is Your passion, and forget the Whole kata interpretive Dance industry.

But I also know that you probably wont, because you cucked yourself so hard and strong to get that cuckbelt around Your Waist. Now you're such an obediant submissive little cuck that you will stay in Place and do as you're told.

>>1696986
>not realizing that most arts have mixed with each other over the hundreds of year of development
>thinking schools that don't label themselves as mma only study what you think they study

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>>1697017
I've been to karate gyms, I've been to taekwondo gyms, I've been to kickboxing gyms, boxing gyms, bjj gyms and kung-fu gyms. I did a Whole lot of stuff back in the day when I couldn't afford a membership, because the first two weeks was for free.

I saw the beginners, I watched the masterclasses. Rest assured, the judocucks don't learn boxing. The cuck-fu guys don't do bjj. The taekwuckdo guys don't do judo.

They do as they are told to do, all to earn a black piece of cloth and Call themselves masters, wich they are not. If they meet the paper to their rock, or the rock to their scissors, these People are fucked. They've gotten cucked out of very important aspects of fighting.

I wouldnt stay With a gf who didn't stay fateful to me, no matter how good the Food was. I wouldn't do a martial art that didn't teach striking, no matter how good the grappling was.

Have a little integrity.

>>1697040

>4chan is my personal blog

>>1697021
Are you surprized that People don't do as you say outside the dojo?

Jesus, goju-ryu must be really cult like.

>>1695054
>hopefully I can get some decent video from it.
Post it raw and unedited, all of it, who gives a fuck.

>>1696940
>social media profiles
kek who uses that shit?

>>1697049
Because I wanna stay anonymous, you're free to step into the light so I can sit here and anonymously pick on every mistake you make, go Ahead and entertain me. It is a free country. But I'm not so dumb that I'll take Cards of the table. I am in fact a lot smarter than you, who thinks that I am gonna give up my anonymity before you even post Your social Security number on 4chan. I don't know how you can be so dumb to think that, it is really laughable.

Second, it wouldn't prove anything. Because it isn't an arguement about me vs you. It is modern MMA vs. traditional martial arts, that are being taught and sold off as legit methods for People to become martial artist With. It isn't true, we know it isn't true and People need to start calling out these bullshit Schools and take their livelyhood away, because they are scammers. We will repeal these cuckbelt arts and replace it With something much better.

>>1697058
Great Scott! Well well Sonic, not everybody has life-mottos from dragon ball Z or Naruto.

When I fight People pay. And it sends a Message and the Message is that you pay. All my full-contact fights have been rewarded With something. I'm not gonna fight some loser off of 4chan to gain the recognition of a Board that worships WWE.

>>1697098
I can book a hotel in Amsterdam, france o.

>>1697058
>fact: someone who is good at fighting doesn't turn down a chance to fight
Fiction.

We're playing Fact or Fiction, right?

Your post looks like bullshit someone who has a lack of knowledge and understanding of psychology and sociology would say.

>>1697021

>you're a snivelling coward mma. Leave goju ryu the hell alone!

>>1697125
Or i could maintain anonymity and call you desperate , while continuing to call out bullshido cuckbelt martial arts.

Did you even consider that?

>>1697040
>i went to places in my area, therefore each of those places represent a worlds worth of martial different martial lineages
How dense can you be?

>>1697185
Oh I'm sorry. You were talking about that one in a million club that somehow you dare to argue is representative for the vast majority out there. Yeah. Sorry not sorry. Master kwon of protaekwondo Australia is pretty legit as stand up goes, but wtf kukkiwon taekwondo is kill in the octagon.

>>1697040

>rock paper scissors
>gfs and food
kek

upboat

All these deleted posts...wtf happened here?

>>1697661
Some dumb janitor flip a coin on each post, heads were deleted, tails are still here.

>>1697661
Because on a board with zero moderation and 99% shitposts they decide to come in here and fuck up our only general

This easily confirms the boards janitor is one of the autistic wwe posters

>>1697661
Hiro is a faggot who hired a retarded janitor. I don't understand how he doesn't give a fuck.

>>1698094
moot made a poor choice selling the site to him because he doesn't actually care about the quality of the site.
He just uses it to record trends, keywords, and usage information and sells it off to data mining firms.

It's just a paycheck to him

>>1695054
What other rules did you agreed to fight under? Only striking and no grappling? Or everything goes (except stuff that would send you to jail)?

>>1696923
What's the most common injury you see, combat wise related?

I mean, as in injuries inflicted by the opponent rather than injuries caused by sheer incompetence.

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>>1696776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dB3YUerKVU

Boxing has some based stuff to offer, don't bully one of mankind's oldest and still bestest martial arts.

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All the memesters here doing weeaboo shit like karate would get heemed by anyone who's been doing boxing for 6 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPOOzufOpcA

>>1694965
Because that faggot Carter is shit posting in here.

>>1698847
thats not the reason i have it set to filter the OP only.

>>1698728
Huh?

It looks like the entire apportation from the boxing is the crouching stance from Ali. Don't get me wrong, is nice, haven't noticed it previously, but other than that, next to all the martial arts include some form of punching.

>>1698841
yeah, record world time champion semmy schilt would like to have a word with you

>>1699538
>6 ft 11 in
>290 lb
Yeah nah his martial art could've been touchbutt and he'd still have become a champion with that build.

>>1699306
>next to all the martial arts include some form of punching
They do, and I'll readily criticize boxing for all its flaws and lacking areas, but rules and limitations make for specialized development and boxing is where footwork and punching technique are most developed. If you want to polish up your footwork or learn the best punching, you train with a boxing coach and then maybe modify what you have for application outside of boxing.

>>1699879
Tell that to Stefan Struve m8, he's about the same size but he completely fails to utilize his physical advantages in the way Schilt, a polished full contact karateka and kickboxer, did. Semmy's currently the greatest heavyweight kickboxer of all time and Struve is just the tall awkward guy that hasn't gone anywhere in the UFC.

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>>1700311
Struve has been fighting his whole career with a heart condition though. If his heart worked properly he'd be heeming manlets left and right.

>>1700313
>other heavyweights
>manlets

No seriously though, his physical peformance might improve but Struve does not seem to know how to fight in ways to maximize his natural advantages. It's kind of infuriation how the guy with I think the longest reach in the UFC can't manage to play keepaway with 5ft10 Mark Hunt and finds himself at slugout range.

>>1700303
You know? Something I never get is why boxing is so powerful and efficient for what's intended for (beating the living crap out of your opponent), but TWD is, for the most part, shit? Both are sports with rules, sparring and specialization in one particular attack (punching vs kicking), but in a fight the boxer is more likely to win than the other guy.

>>1701746
Exhibit A
https://youtu.be/UbNy9qwYThI

I know the black gi guy isn't exactly a pure Englishman boxer, but is the closest I found to a box vs tkd match.

>>1701746
Because Taekwondo's scoring criteria are fucked and basically encourage a game of tag with overextending jumping and/or spinning kicks, many of them little more than a footslap since very light contact will often score just as well as a kick with actual power you'd use in a fight, with hands well down rather than protecting your important bits and in an environment where you can't get trapped and forced to defend yourself for a screwup in positioning or a misstimed attack.

They focus on kicks but don't even learn to use their longest weapon against the shortest possible target in a stable and safe manner (kicking the leg, which is tremendously useful and important) and they don't work to learn to defend themselves in shorter ranges in competition nor do they have to deal with a good deal of the shit someone can do to you when you're standing on one leg and off balance, to the point where their understanding of clinch fighting is even worse than boxing's. Just the general idea of focusing on using your leg to attack can be awful since it becomes that much easier to get dumped on your head or ass.

To Taekwondo's credit, that form of sparring does help build a solid degree of distancing and timing (since an opponent's poking foot can lose you the match), they learn a solid variety of deceptively fast kicks rather than the full power leg swing favored in Muay Thai, they work full contact within their setup and they don't force a pause and reset on scoring, something that's done in World Karate Federation kumite and just encourages developing shitty defensive habits.

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>>1699306
>Huh?
>It looks like the entire apportation from the boxing is the crouching stance from Ali
No, any serious MMA striker adds a bit of boxing to their training.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGX5wYp_adA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g32r2x6FW5s

Pretty much every MMA fighter takes up a modified boxing stance (kickboxing stance desu) has basic boxing footwork and ringmanship. Some of the better strikers use knowledge on creating punching angles with trunk and head movement. There are tons of variations on punches in boxing that work for different strategies or to take advantage of length like so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0Q_hEE5Cpo

>mmanlets worked this hard

.bump.

>>1702310
I'm not sure. As I said, most MA have some form of punching, so while not as developed and specific as boxing, training kicking and grappling mades up for the lack on specialization.

I won't deny boxing can and will wreck anyone with a good punch, I just think that's not the main contrinbution. However, I admit the entirety of footworking from boxing is much more important than I thought.

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>>1702310
5* post.

>>1703001
Of course training in other areas means you have a better toolbox but if you want to learn quality punching you train boxing, because again when all you're allowed to do is punch then you develop superior punching technique. Dudes like the Diaz brothers or Junior dos Santos have made perfectly respectable careers for themselves in MMA by being punching specialists, or you have Zack Mwekassa over in Glory Kickboxing making a good name for himself despite starting out as a pure boxer.

>>1701746
First, obviously, boxing is full contact
Second, boxing has limitations on concepts but gives freedom outside of them, this gives liberty to invent and advance. Sport oriented arts instead select a number of allowed things and everything else is a penalty, effectively penalizing the developing of the art

>>1703725
Boxing is not a martial art. If I can run around the ring, hug you and tap you a couple of times I win. In fact I would be Floyd Mayweather.

Taekwondo is the same, just with kicking.

And don't give me the "muh footwork". Every sport has footwork.

>>1704260
>it's an "I'm above everything" episode

>>1704369
Boxing needs to be shat on. It has way to much hype when it is just taekwondo with arms. Every guy I know who does boxing is a bit weird. Not the virgin WWF weird. More like cave man peanut brain weird. Getting all that punching to the face for nothing, leg kicks is the end of boxing.

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Guys, what are your conditionning routine for your martial arts, for:
Cardio,
Strength,
Flexibility,
Footwork,
Hand - Eye - foot coordination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b3tQIZaUcw
Pic and video related
>>1704260
You should go and have a try in a boxing gym, or meet an old boxer that still use headbutts, elbows, and grapples you to oblivion.

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>>1704526
Read>>1702310
and watch the first vid he posted, you're going to learn a lot today.
>Even baiting can make knowldedge flourish
and don't forget to give thank him for sharing this video with us and enlighten you.

>>1698340
Just striking because it's a wood floor in a plyo room. He's one of my good friends and trained boxing and taekwondo as well, but I don't think he trained to the level I do. I did 8 rounds on the bag on Thursday and I'm feeling pretty good and loose.

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>>1704260
>>1704526
>that guy who's afraid to cross train

>>1704723

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLETUGnGioy3fw3aOK-JKqE-UUavFUCgM

It'll take up a good portion of your time, but it'll give you a run down of the basics. Since you guys seemed pretty interested

>>1704990
>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLETUGnGioy3fw3aOK-JKqE-UUavFUCgM
Thank you very much

>>1695054
So, are you there? Did you get a video?

Is always nice to heard and watch other fellow /asp/ies sparring.

>>1700313
schilt retired because of a heard condition so your excuse doesnt work

>>1706103
We're going to do it at 4

>>1703553
>Dudes like the Diaz brothers or Junior dos Santos have made perfectly respectable careers for themselves in MMA by being punching specialists
Let's call Boxing a screwdriver. They have a screwdriver in their toolbox, they have a nice and fancy, shiny and polished screwdriver. But that doesn't make up their whole toolbox. They gave a whole damn toolbox full of other good shit like hammers, saws, wrenches, and even some less common tools in there. They have a full job to do in MMA, and no matter how good you are with a screwdriver, it's just better to use the hammer when you've got nails to drive, and the saw when you've got shot to cut. Sure, you can drive nails with a screw driver, you can take wood apart with a screwdriver, but it wasn't made for that, and the right tools gets the job done better.

BJJ or Judo?
No Gracie bullshit allowed

>>1707333
>both
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>>1707333
>Watch as people vote for BJJ

Really, what's with this meme? I don't mean BJJ is a bad art, or not useful or something. What I don't get is why /asp/ have such raging boner for BJJ.

The japanese jujutsu (JJJ?) includes a lot of striking techniques, along with throws, locks and even some training with weapons. And I'm not talking about exotic shit that you wouldn't carry around without the police questioning you (nunchucks), but stuff like tanto (a kitchen knife) or jo or short staff (a broom handle will do fine); meanwhile bjj is only about throws and locks and ground fighting.

What's up with that?

Comparatively speaking, jujitsu seems much more complete than bjj. Is because specialization? I still don't get it. Boxing is also a very specialized and efficient martial art, yet is no where as popular as bjj in these boards. And then we have capoeira or tkd (I know, tkd sucks, but I have seen quite often capoeira in mma matches) and the later is a fucking joke among regular /asp/ies, while the later is rarely if ever mentioned.

So, really, what's the deal with bjj?

Did that anon who was gonna fight the street fighter ever post the video?

>>1707548
No one on /asp/ ever fights when they say they're going to.

>>1707333
It's fun as fuck to throw people against the planet, but it has higher risk of injury.

It's lower fun to roll around on the ground, trying to get a submission, but higher risk of not getting injured.

>>1707262
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here other than talking about being well rounded when the point has been that if you want to polish up your punches, footwork etc then boxing will benefit you because it's entirely focused on that.

>>1707510
Because JJJ was supplanted ages ago by Judo because of its focus on developing a pruned and demonstrably effective skillset by way of competitive sparring, something BJJ typically also places a premium upon. JJJ, meanwhile, sticks primarily to tradition which makes it a terribly interesting study and perhaps more complete but also serves to stifle its curriculum and prevent development. It's also hard to find credible, legitimate schools.

BJJ is popular because grappling has, historically, been king and ever since the early days of modern mixed martial arts we've come to realize this once more so grappling training is at a premium. It's practical and effective, has an active competitive scene where you can polish your skills/have fun and it also carries much lesser risk of injury than, say, Judo.

>>1707510
JJJ doesn't spar with aliveness against fully resisting partners. That is the only way to learn to apply techniques effectively in combat. That's why the only MA's asp recommends have full contact sparring.

The martial arts places near me are:

>Kyokushin Karate
>Tai Chi (also functions as a yoga & pilates place)
>Sanshou/Sanda
>Gracie Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
>Aikido
>Greco-Roman wrestling
>Western boxing

Which one should I go to?

>>1708053
Also my best friend from childhood just came back from a tour of duty in Israel and is a black belt in Krav Maga and is offering to teach me for free. That's another option on the list.

>>1708067
>all of them
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>>1708053
Start with Sanshou/Sanda. Tai Chi is a long journey, so if you're not going to train it that much, you better start now. supplement with Kyokushin Karate or Western Boxing, or Aikido or Greco-Roman Wrestling. You can come back to the ones you didn't chose, later on.
Then, you can do Gracie Brazillian Jiu Jitsu if you want to, but BJJ in general is overrated.

Free Krav Maga is good Krav Maga, just make sure to be skeptical about everything, every single thing, not just Krav Maga, literally everything.
Be skeptical about everything.

If you have the resources, feel more than free to train two of them within the same week, for a period of time.
Resources includes physical fitness. You don't want to overwork your body, that's fucking stupid.

Make sure you be a good athlete.

Warm up your muscles and joints, then do light dynamic stretching, and then dynamic stretching once you're warmed up, get into the meat of your workout, cool down, and then do static stretching. Don't push yourself too far.
Make sure to stay hydrated.
Make sure to get a good meal, but not too big of a meal, a few hours before your workour, so you have energy, and therefore can train longer.

Always get a good night of sleep.

Drugs are bad.

>>1704260
Lets see you 1v1 mike tyson and keep spitting grandiose bullshit.

>>1695997
Dude, Gracie barra have the worst JJ I see in the last 10 years, become a MCdojo since master Helio and Carlson Die

>tfw tournament that white belts can enter in three months
>still having trouble passing guard or sweeping
I'm fucked aren't I

>>1708249
Not if you work hard in the next three months

>>1708249
Maybe, but if it's free and not too inconvenient I'd work hard in these 3 months and try anyway. It's just other whitebelts, chances are they'll be shitting themselves too.

>>1708397
It's my state's open and is 75 to enter

>>1708439
I don't know, paying 75 bucks and going in feeling like you're fucked doesn't sound like the best call. I'm all for competition but you can't just go in half-cocked.

I love Overeem. I want to follow in his footsteps and win an MMA and K1 title. Is 18 too late to start?

>>1708728
Unless you're talented, yeah

>>1708468
To be fair, I've only been training for a month
I just wanted to get into competition as soon as I could

>>1708793
Guys like Big Nog and JDS didn't start until 20

>>1708812
If you wait until you feel you are ready before you compete, you will never compete. That being said, $75 is kind of steep for your first time. You should look for a less expensive tournament.

>>1708826
And they were talented

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>>1708728
I love Demian Maia and Dominick Cruz!

Yes, you probably are too old to be a champion even if you become a good competitor. But don't give up, train hard and smart then you might be the next Randy Couture.

>>1696737
What the fuck is up with your weird capitalization dude?

>>1707623
>>1707548
>>1706103
Didn't film it because when I showed up he told me no strikes to the head and no gloves so I knew it would be a joke. Still hit him a lot in the body. My forearm and shin are all bruised up from his kick and punch checks.

>>1709031
As compensation here is a match of mine from last year. I'm shit, I know. I mostly just box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKApq_pAmAY

>>1708728
what MMA title did overroid win?

>>1708134
>tai chi is a long journey
to what? falling asleep standing up?

>>1709035
Strikeforce and Dream heavyweight championship

>>1709035

You must think Overeem debuted in UFC.

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>tfw starting at late 19
>tfw not talented
>tfw I'll never become a pro fighter

>>1709657
Who says this shit?

There are guys in their late thirties winning in K-1 and MMA, you could get a couple of good fights under Your belt. Enough to come on /asp/ and Call everybody a cuck, Don't give up that dream man, it feels amazing, they get so bitter over training inferior arts like judo and boxing, you wouldn't belive. Then they argue and you tell them you could beat the up easily and it just gets better from there.

>>1708728
Bruh K1 stopped being really relevant around 2010 or so, 2012 if we're being generous and trying to not take credit away from Cro Cop's Grand Prix win. Glory is where it's at today bruh.

Judoka here, what's the difference between Gracie Jiu Jitsu and Gracie Barra? They're all from the same family, but they don't seem to acknowledge each other. Also, is Roger Gracie's academy different too?

>>1709078
nah bro i just never realized he was dream and strikeforce champ, though both those orgs had like 4 HW Fighters in general

Could you beat a sumo champion in a fight?

>>1709912
k-1 was relevant up to the day FEG went bankrupt. overroids win is legit tho it did involve some luck with aerts and schilt deleting each other in the semis

>>1710000

quads confirm sumo as the best combat sport

to answer the question fuck no. im a purple belt in Gracie BJJ but sumo are the best at staying on their feet. anyone who says they wouldn't get rekt is living a lie

>>1710000
whats a sumo champion? there is a new sumo champion every 3 months but it only applies to that specific tournament. or are you asking if we could take on a yokozuna ranked sumo wrestler for which the answer is most probably no.

>>1709944
Academy teaches self defense and barra teaches sport. A blue belt in academy will do okay in a street fight because they are used to striking, but suck in a bjj tournament because they won't even know the rules, and vice versa.

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>>1707510
Why bjj over jjj, because over the year jjj lost the meaning of jû, flexibility, softness and stuck to much with tradition.
Some of the Gracie did that (gracie univeristy) and got btfo.
MMA is kind of cool, but if vale-tudo doesn't live, it will follow all martial art path to oblivion.

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>>1708053
Seriously, Try them all.
The one you should stick with:
Tai-chi and yoga. Those are the ones you'll be able to practice all your life long and that will help you to age well.
Try them all and chose the one you like the most, even if it is aikido or taichi/yoga. All the other one are legit
>>1708134
>Always get a good night of sleep.
Ok
>Drugs are bad.
Your life is boring, even chocolate is a drug... Meat could be considered as such.
>>1710000
Depending on the rules, yes.

>>1710828
>Your life is boring
You don't know my life, mother fucker.

>>1710000
Let's see that mother fucker try to do his sumo bullshit against my knife duct taped to a sliding door stopper pole.

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>>1714360
I see you're in need of my services.

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>>1714360
Yes but mine is better

Are there any organizations that still hold grand Prix's?

>>1714512
Ijf

www.ijf.org

>>1710000
>>1710005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJ2T023M4I

>>1694355
let wrestling (not the martial art I mean the acting made to look like fighting) fags into ASP the entire board goes to shit.

>>1714472
you planning to diarrhea him to death?

>>1714803
I know it can be done
But I'm not a gracie, a world champion BJJ blackbelt, or a top ranked mma fighter

>>1708053

Based MMA guy here. I wanna weigh in on this issue! You have two great options here. For stand up you've got Sanshou/Sanda, and for ground you've got Gracie BJJ. That is enough for MMA. Here is what it is gonna give you:

>Sanda/Sanchou

Of they are legit, most of Your time should be spent on Learning punching, kicking, takedowns, throws and takedown defense. This mean that you get a good flow between Your stand-up and grappling, because you learn to see where the moves fit in between.

>Gracie BJJ
It's great, don't listen to the naysayers. Just tell Your instructor that you wanna learn BJJ and carry the flag og BJJ in the MMA one day. Because they will invest in you as time goes on, but you have to tell why you're there. A friend of mine did this, he is in a Group at his BJJ Club, they're basically just a cool gang of friends, trying to learn striking for MMA. So if you don't cut yourself short With muh "I just wanna learn BJJ" bullshit, you're probably gonne get everything from them. If not there are probably others there who love the UFC and wanna be in Your gang of cool friends trying to learn striking for MMA.

So I say, do BJJ and if you have the time you can try Sanshou/Sanda, but BJJ is usually the gold mine. The BJJ People are passionate about MMA, that fixes a lot of problems.

>>1712202
True,
/trolling mode on
but the simple fact that you answer like this says it all...
/trolling mode off
The "average" definition of what drugs are is too inclusive to be valid and meaning anything.
>>1714472
>21 feet, bro
Just kidding, depending on the situation, I'd rather a gun than a knife

>>1710801
Thing is...

You have got to know what you mean when you say MMA. People who talk about MMA usually means a bunch of shit-tier martial arts, barely scratching the surface, put in a pot to be enough to survive. Like the boring stew of western boxing, thai kicks, wrestling takedowns and bjj submissions that every plain mma fighter uses.

Say what you want about Michael Venom Page, but that guy is actually experimenting, he is doing some solid stretching of what People would believe to be possible. You have New exciting clinch techniques coming out of Thailand right now, spreading over the internet, and thai fighters entering the UFC using these.

I think that there will always be a huge gray goo of fighters who, in hopes of playing it safe, stick With the old bread. But this MMA thing is probably the best thing that has happened to martial arts globaly since Bruce Lee.

Bruce Lee made it popular, MMA made it legit. That is why it is so important to always tell posters from inferior bullshido systems that are Limited Beyond belief how incredibly cucked they are.

Somebody has to state the obvious to the judokacks, they can't strike for shit. Neither can wrestlers and most BJJ. Boxing sucks, they lost to judo way back in the day. Taekwondo is one of the suckiest martial arts, we teach it to kids so that nobody can get hurt. This is the harsh truth and you need to chug it. If you practise these sports you've not amounted to anything, you're just a weeb With an invisible katana.

>>1717525
>he is doing some solid stretching of what People would believe to be possible.
That's just because people are stupid.

People can fucking believe whatever the fuck they want, and fucking stupid bullshit.
But in the end, there are nothing but the mother fucking facts, and that shit is fucking complicated compared to a lot of belief bullshit.

>>1717525
>But this MMA thing is probably the best thing that has happened to martial arts globaly
Agreed

>Say what you want about Michael Venom Page, but that guy is actually experimenting, he is doing some solid stretching of what People would believe to be possible.
Experimenting is extremely important and I see as much potential in MVP as anyone else, but he hasn't fought anybody that mattered and who'd serve as proper proof that what he's doing really works. And even when someone does do step outside the boundaries of what's typically done we can still get something like the Machida Era, where he was untouchable until one fight later he wasn't, and it wasn't any sort of great new development that did him in, it was not running in face-first and kicking his legs.

>the boring stew of western boxing, thai kicks, wrestling takedowns and bjj submissions that every plain mma fighter uses.
Kind of the point of MMA, you're allowed to take (most) anything and bring it to the cage and see who's the better fighter and what works and what doesn't. All those things have worked and continue to work and therefore remain used as a strong base from which to work.

>>1708053
Don't let the etiquettes on the front confuse you, anon. Just because they put the drawing of a tiger and the words muay thai in the front, it doesn't mean they are a good place to train muay thai, or anything else for that matter.

Read the op links and beware the mcdojos.

I would suggest you to take the free class they should give you. If you find is a legit place and you enjoy it for whatever reason, go ahead and pay for the month. Otherwise, don't bother.

>>1710801
that is some bad technique shown in that gif

>>1717685
>All those things have worked and continue to work and therefore remain used as a strong base from which to work.

Yeah, but it has gotten to a halt because of it. Because everyone has the same idea, get good basics, rely on good basics. Thus, it becomes stale. That is why I'm looking so foreward to the Thailand People getting into MMA, because they are really good clinchers and could perhaps add another layer to the mix. I belive that MMA is four Things: Striking, clinching, wrestling and rolling. And they follow each other in that order. If you can't grapple you strike, if you can grapple and strike you clinch, but at some point the risk of losing Balance is so great that you have to go into Your stand-up grappling, the wrestling, then someone will get to the ground, then you get the rolling.

So the thai fighters will bring their clinch, and the weakness of the western clinch will be exposed. Then MMA guys get clinch and clinch defense. Wich isn't as polished as the BJJ or boxing in MMA. Also, the kick evasion in MMA isn't really all that, and I think MT guys could add some of that too. Because that is what they do.

>>1720633
I Guess my biggest gripe about the current MMA situation is that the fighters are only as good as the current zeitgeist allows them to be, nobody wants to do the Research and Experiment to do something different. Wich was what we had when we pitted styles against each other.

>>1717685
>I see as much potential in MVP as anyone else, but he hasn't fought anybody that mattered and who'd serve as proper proof that what he's doing really works.

Isn't that why people thought he would lose against Cyborg?

>>1722199
You keep talking about judo and judo people so much that it is clear you have a massive boner for them. Or maybe it's just one guy in particular who does judo and you are trying to hide the romantic feelings you harbor towards him.

>>1722199
I do both judo and bjj, and I dgaf about what people think about the rules because I'm there to win, and I don't let stupid shit stand in the way of that. Tell me how I win, and that is what I will train for.

However, I prefer judo competition better, because there is no bullshit scoring, either you win or you lose and who gives a fuck if your knee was on someone's belly for 3 seconds. Also, no ties in judo.

>>1722304
Isn't that something that happens to everyone who does judo from time to time :D

>>1708053
Tai Chi and Aikido are useless as fuck.

Kyokushin will make you conditioned as fuck. You can take a lot of punishment as well inflict damage, but be sure they practice face punching. Too many Kyokushin schools gear for tournaments.

Sanda is the only legit CA I can respect besides Shuai Jiao. It lacks neck-wrestling and clinching that Muay Thai offers, but it has good punches and kicks with throws and takedowns.

You're rarely gonna find a McDojo for BJJ. Just see if they actually roll during training and check up their lineage to verify with a reputable BJJ organization.

Greco-Roman is always a must.

Boxing. This will be hands-down the cheapest and best option.

>>1709902
QFT

Andy Hug went into pro kickboxing when he was 29. He already had a fundamental base in Kyokushin (and later Seidokaikan) karate, but he trained his ass off in boxing so that he could compete at the highest level.

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>>1717525
There actually are strikes in judo, since it's a form of japanese ju-justu. They are called Atemi.
Atama, the bjj gis brand actually can be translated as headbutt in japanese.
Judo is not inferior per se but the limitation to its curriculum are damaging, i.e. banned leg locks, leg grab strikes and so on...
MVP is good, but he still only has faced D-class fighters. He's worth the hype, but against some better fighters at his weight, the outcome would not be that favoralbe to him.
>>1720003
Bad,maybe, but fun, assured.
Now tell me what do you think is wrong.
>>1722199
>Judo rules are completely cuck
No, they're not, they're far worse.
>le NO LEG GRAB endless shitfest!
But Judo as itself is cool since bjj comes from it and takes a lot from various wrestling folk styles.
>>1720633
>Yeah, but it has gotten to a halt because of it. Because everyone has the same idea, get good basics, rely on good basics. Thus, it becomes stale.
Are you the kind of fag that has boner for double flip back kick? Tkd is this way >>>/soc/
And if you're looking for Thai and south asian fighters to come to MMA, you're 20 years too late and don't know shit about MMA and muay thai.
There is a TL;DR for you.
>+/- 15 years ago, firsts MMA camp in TH by foreigners.
>Old thai fighters try to get in,
>They don't like ground fighting becaus what touches the ground constantly is impure in their culture.
>They're imported in Japan where they get rekt.
>Same happens in Worst Korea
>Thaksin ousted, political landscape change.
>Pro MMA fights and betting on MMA is banned on TH soil.
>Camps close one after the others but for a few that caters mainly to farangs.
>Thai never get good on the ground and have only been able to fight in C-class event like ONE FC for yeas now.
The only appeal that ONE FC had was soccer kick, and they got rid of it. Too badTheir HL are not even worth watching now.

>>1722430
>>They don't like ground fighting becaus what touches the ground constantly is impure in their culture.

Wait really? They actually believe lava golems and AIDS genies are on the ground?

>>1710828

Once upon a time, there was a young monk.
This monk studied and practiced martial arts, and enjoyed it so.
The monk was hiking through a forest, and eventually found a mountain.
Upon reaching the top of the mountain, he found a bracelet.
He put it on.
The bracelet made it so he could only do 80% as well as he could without the bracelet on, but the bracelet would bring him pleasure, despite the lasting permanent effects it has on his mind.
The monk continued to study and practice with the bracelet on, and noticed how it made him weak, even though he still performed a lot higher than his fellow monks.
He would even do well despite how the bracelet caused him to sit still doing nothing productive while it left him in pleasure.
Many rises and falls of the moon had past, and the monk had contemplated and meditated on the subject of the bracelet and his life.
The monk came to the conclusion that he valued mastery and knowledge of martial arts more highly than he did pleasure.
The monk realized that he would forever be further away from his goals with martial arts because of the bracelet.
Though he struggled, the monk was able to cast the bracelet into a volcano so that it may corrupt him no longer.
The monk then shed a bittersweet tear, the monk knew that he could continue strongly on the martial arts journey he had decided for his life, though he also knew that he would forever be less of a man than he would've been if he were to never have discovered the bracelet.
The monk stored his story in the archives so that all monks after him may be enlightened, and not make similar mistakes to those that he had made.

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>tfw constantly get told "it'll come with time" by people at my gym
Is this code for saying I'm shit?

>>1723446
The more intelligent you are, the less time it takes to learn and get good at something, and the less dedication it takes to learn and get good at something.
The more dedicated you are, the less time it takes to learn and get good at something, and the less intelligence it takes to get good at something.
The more time you spend, the less intelligence it takes to learn and get good at something, and the less dedication it takes to learn and get good at something.

But there's also another thing that factors into getting good.
Knowledge. Knowledge of how to train. Some ways of training and learning, for some people, are more efficient than others.

>>1723060
The monk then fought in many battles. He became a champion.
The people would cry, "CHAMPION! CHAMPION!" everywhere he went.
As he defeated his opponents he had a harder time beating them.
"More training! More spirit pills!" He cried. He knew that now that he has his full strength he should be unbeatable.
His next fight was with a very capable martial artist. He won, but was injured badly. The people still cried; "CHAMPION! CHAMPION!"
He had fame, money, sex, everything. And yet he knew he was close to losing. Everyone knew his weaknesses. His injuries have piled up.
The Monk in desperation began to use a forbidden pill. For great strength the monk sacrificed some of his life.
They still chanted "CHAMPION!"
The monk's health began to fade.
"CHAMPION!"
The monk could no longer enjoy his meals.
"CHAMPION!"
He could no longer please women or himself.
"CHAMPION!"
The monk is left crippled.
The monk appeared far older than he was when he retired.
The young monks gathered around him. They praised his fights. Sought to be just like the monk.
One young monk asked "How does it feel to be the great champion and have everything?"
The monk, looking back, remembering the lengths he went to just for victory, and seeing his health decay and his relationship erode, realized that the only victory is living well.
He shed a tear, just realizing his folly, and died.

>>1723465
I've been trying to be dedicated
Show up almost every day (only seldom missing), staying until I get kicked out because they're closing when I'm allowed to, stuff like that
It just always feels like I'm so bad at everything and it's crushing to hear this after mistakes

>>1720643
Nah sensible people saw it as a thinly veiled gimme. The sad thing is that Cyborg was actually a step up in competition, and mad respect to the man for taking a skull fracture like it ain't no thang, but he's been past it, has retired twice and as a brawler type is exactly the kind of fighter that'd run face-first into MVP's counters even at his best. It was mostly wishful thinking because Page getting clobbered by Santos would've turned him into an absolute meme.

>>1720633
>>1720636
I think it's the other way around, now that everyone more or less knows and has good fundamentals across the board when compared to the early days there's a greater arms race to see who can come up with something effective and unexpected to give them an advantage. The canon of what does and doesn't work changes constantly, and I feel you must not remember the early days of MMA very well because back then, soon as people figured out how to defend submissions, the meta was even more about being an overbearingly big wrestler who could groundfuck people than it is today.

Right now you have all sorts of things coming into play. The UFC welterweight division is probably the single most talented one and while a wrestler with big punches won the title, because some things will always be effective no matter what, you have a guy with a strong traditional karate/points fighting background as the main challenger and a guy who's championing almost pure jiujitsu right behind him. Conor McGregor talking about the benefits of Taekwondo, guys like the Diaz brothers and Junior dos Santos as effective MMA "boxers", Alistair Overeem has a murderous clinch and so did Anderson Silva at his best, Dominick Cruz and TJ Dillashaw's fascinating footwork and stance switching, etc etc honestly I think the sport has never been better overall.

>>1723491
but...he did live well

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>>1723017
No it's a buddhist thing, The what ground is impur and symbol of wordly things. your body is sacred head being the highest and the part of your body having less value as you go down to the ground.
>It's a grave insult to step over someone.
>Only your feet should touch the ground.
This reflects in old muay thai were basically you should use only your lower limbs to strike to make points. This is only a part of the answer since mt is related to krabi krabong
Buakkaw tried MMA, but you almost never see him rolling in his videos.

>>1723939
>>1723017
On this subject, under traditional muay thai rules it's illegal for a fighter to place his hands on the mat. Apparently, one of the reasons why MT great Saenchai likes fighting outside of Thailand so much is his love of the cartwheel kick, which he can't freely use in his homeland.

>>1723519
Fighting isn't only a battle against others, it's a battle of yourself.
Training fighting is especially so, a battle against yourself.

It's possible that you've developed a habit of feeling like you're bad at what you practice, so break that habit.

Focus, pay attention to detail, and think positively.

Stay logical, stay objective.

>>1724486
No, it's because he wants to make money

You /mag/nificent bastards.

>>1724529
>one of the reasons
please, learn to read.

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>>1724928

>>1723939
>>1724486
So, huh, while we are on the subject, what are those feathered bands on the arms? What's up with that?

>>1725894
It's like Thailand's form of Gay Pride bracelets.

>all these wrestling threads

I want to kill them.

Why can't we have a slow-moving martial arts board?

I'm feeling fucked up after my last tournament and the guy who's training me is letting me sleep for three days. I'm really fucked up at my knee and my right arm.

BJJ, Judo, variable striking that I just train at. I hurt so, fucking much....

I've been throwing up for a while, blood the first day. So this is blood and guts...

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>>1727070

>>1723446
Nah, there's about a million things in Martial Arts that, unless you're some freak, it'll just take lots, and lots of practice to do. They're letting you know this is normal, and not to get discouraged.

>>1727082

What you say is true, but "take as long as you need" means I'll be back in the dojo very soon.

It hurts, but I don't care. So long as I'm not spewing blood after the tournament I want to know more.

>>1727100

Or making somebody clean the mat. There are some hardcore chicks there that they chose as my partner. NEVER underestimate them. Immediately flip over if you can and move lower, avoid their legs because they're going to try your neck. Reverse with your shoulders TWICE and go back to THEIR neck. Reverse under and lock.

Select bananas (captcha).

>>1727132

To add- I'm not going to tell you the most lethal way that women can deliver on your body. This is just a simple idea to deal with opponents in the dojo. Not that it would matter against a practiced female opponent. Males in a dojo don't understand harm. It's beaten out of you.

>>1727070
Go to a fucking doctor asap

>>1727100
Make sure you don't come back soon if you've got some funky jungle skin disease. I've been taking Bactrim for the past week and this shit still won't go away.

>>1725894

It is called Kruang Rang, it is pretty much good luck charm for fighting in ring.

>>1707333
>no Gracie bullshit allowed

What did I miss? Is this an /asp/ meme? I train At a Gracie school what's wrong with it?

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>>1728890
> We all know sparring is the alpha omega of any martial art.
No it's not.
Judo techniques are the same as bjj techniques in gi, which are similar to no-gi ones .
Those judo technique overlap greatly with the wrestling techniques, either greco-roman or freestyle.
>It is a melting pot,
No it's not. It's agiven set of rules.
> they are doing all the styles at the same time.
No they're not, under the Nevada athletic comission and the New York one, neither soccer kicks nor stomps are not allowed. Since they make rules for MMA in the us of a, that's under this set of rules that you train. If you were a pro, you would know that, but you're just a wanker with too much testosteron and not enough brain to train. This is why you brag here, because you don't risk anything.
IRL you got rolled out by that wrestler that new a little boxing and grabbed your second low kick to over hand you...
You can say it to us, we know you tapped to a shoulder of justice. Don't be mad, it happens.

>>1729210

The rules of mma doesn't limit your style. There are lesser known no holds barred places you can fight if that is your thing. Muay Thai low kick is as soccer as it gets. If you miss the headbutt you can go to Russia. Stomping is totally legal here, we drilled it some days ago from the clinch to make room for knees. Do you even mma son?

What cuck gym are you at?

Hahahaha

>>1728890
Tl;Dr

Seriously ass bitch, find something better to do with your time other than writing walls of text. Maybe try training.

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>>1729269
>Muay Thai low kick is as soccer as it gets.
You don't train, now, for sure.
Where I am mma is actually not regulated, so you make the rules as you set the fight up.
>The rules of mma doesn't limit your style.
Styles exist only in the mind of those who want to follow them. What exist are techniques, their structure between them, and the methodology to teach them. Everything else is optional.
So stop boasting about mma, you live in the states as you mentionned it a few thread earlier, so you fall under the nac rules, amateur or pro.
You know why I like low intellect/ highbragging/no training troll like you in /mag/
Thanks to you, newbies actually can discover schools or gyms that they would have ignored if they hadn't read about.

>>1729269
>its not legal in my competition but we still drill it
>you do something other than me? your system is being to restrictive of you, i don't care if your school drills stuff against your rules

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>>1729390
Well summarized.

>>1729387
Wrestling contributes to successful rape in America. Just look at that gif, they're just doing foreplay before penetration.

>>1729928
>le grappling is gay insecurity

>>1730591
>2016
>Buttdrag is still not banned in college freestyle.
He is not wrong, but this is a wrestling thing only.

Got a story for you guys.

>Campus offers free BJJ
>Just two chill dudes who teach it
>5 people in class
>Day 1 I rolled (and beat) a thiccfu whose also a noobie
Every Thurs. Gonna be neat.

>>1729387
Based anon calling out the wannabe faggot

>>1729387
There is nothing stopping anyone from any art to enter a no holds barred match.

We drill our stomps and headbutting. We have people who have fought in Myanmar here, we learn the best headbutting. If you wanna do a proper soccer kick you need to get friends and do soccer. It isn't a huge technical hole in your game, like not being allowed to grab legs (judo) and kick (boxing). We have tremendous dexterity at mma. Mma people win the no holds barred fights all the time. Everything I have said is true.

Mma shits on boxing and judo. The combination is awful, just enough to get in the ring and lose badly. I shit on those sports, judokuck is the worst in the clinch, they have no idea of what they are doing. Allow elbows from the clinch and they are dead.

Reading your comment I can barely even see what you are disagreeing with. There are styles you moron, anyone can tell a taekwondo kick from a muay Thai kick. People don't follow a style, they are cucked into it.

Even young boys want to learn real fighting, but their mothers lure them into taekwondo to keep them from getting harmed. Cucked.

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Anons, what are you conditioning routines?

>>1733063

Stronglifts with pyramid sets
Once a week yoga for hip mobility

Judoka checking in

>>1733070
SS is better than SL for judo, even if only for the inclusion of power cleans.

>>1733063
Play videogames and eat ice cream.