What's with the myth that becoming a big star in wrestling

People always forget that most people in the AE and RA era had shit tier mic skills, but still get over due to nostalgia.

>>1613170
Becoming a big star requires charisma, not necessarily mic skills. Arn Anderson is good on the mic but not super charismatic. Goldberg is very charismatic but a poor talker.

>>1613170

They are idolized by dudes famed for their charisma like Jericho. (Go read his book) because they could actually wrestle in a new and exciting way unlike the big mouths who couldn't in the machismo super arnie era.

>>1613180

Benoit was shit on the mic, and Lesnar never speaks, yet they exhumed an aura of confidence and with it charisma. They didn't need to have promos and have hot banter on the microphone, people just knew what was coming.and loved it.

>>1613189
Lesnar isn't even that bad, but he's great at being the tough guy who gives zero shits as long as he's payed and gets to beat the crap out of someone

Benoit was decent on mic and was even way much better on WCW

Goddamn you guys ser--18+

>>1613213
Jesus fucking Christ no he wasn't. I've been watching his feud with Raven's Flock and his promos are laughably bad.

>>1613175
Austin and the Rock are the best two wrestlers on the mic ever, 18+

>>1613371
That was when Benoit was fed up in WCW a long with the other cruiserweights(in which they left ala the radicals)

Look up his promos back when he was teaming up with the 4 horsement. He was pretty decent in those.

>>1613417
I was just about to mention the work with the Horsemen, because I do remember him holding up his end on the mic at that time. But on reflection, I suspect that those segments were designed to keep him protected - like if he ran out of things to say, Ric, Arn, Woman or whoever could pick up the slack.

I 100% believe that smarks have no idea what charisma is. It's why Finn Balor is gonna win the universal championship and nakamura the nxt belt

>>1613170
18+ kiddo

>>1613420
Well he was still proving himself overall as a wrestler and not just a talker at that time so that's understandable

>>1613417
Gain some age.

The flock happened way before the radicals. Benoit still had another Horsemen run in him between the two.

>>1613431
radicals as in WWE debut radicals. Chris, Eddie, Saturn, and Malenko all were good friends and finally couldn't take anymore of the problems in WCW and left together.

Gain some reading comprehension skills

>>1613375

>names two people
>out of a roster of 30+ who weren't that fucking good at all

>>1613175
How could they have gotten over during their runs due to nostalgia? When I was watching and enjoying the fuck out of Benoit as a wrestler in WCW, he was over with me because of nostalgia?
Are you a teenager?

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>>1613175
Triple H, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley, HBK, Farooq etc could better promos the current Raw and Smackdown roster

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>>1614534

>Triple H, HBK, Mick Foley

>>1614545

tehe nice post!

>>1614534
Triple H is awful to listen to

>>1613170
Benoit is kinda underrated on the mic. Sure he was bad compared to most of the top guys back then but he's still better than 70% of today's roster.

>>1613180
Arn didn't need charisma. You just believed what he said.

>>1613170
You don't NEED to talk well. You just need to compel the audience to watch you.
Parallel: Daniel Bryan and Finn Balor.
Neither good speakers, but Bryan put in work every week. He connected through angles in which he, as a character, pulled his weight and built a rapport.
Finn can't carry an angle. Nor is he particularly enthralling in-ring, especially compared to some of the talents on the Raw roster being pushed beneath him. His "charisma" is having a make-up lady paint on him once every 30 days.

>>1613170
>Bret Hart
>A big star

>>1614682
t. Paul Levesque

>>1614682
WWE wouldn't exist if not for him

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>WWE wouldn't exist if not for him

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>>1614712
>WWE would't exist if not for him
Holy shit how can you be so stupid my man

What ever happened to managers being used as mouthpieces for shitty talkers? Works great for Lesnar and Heyman. Zeb Colter was just as good as Heyman, but the Real Americans never really took off.

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Bret Hart actually made a scale on how you can be over with the fans with a simple point system.

Rank out of 10 the following

Your look
Your work
Your mic skills

If you get 20 out of 30 or more you can be championship main event level

Bret gave himself
Look: 7, mostly because of the pink but he felt he was average otherwise
Work: 10, Can't argue that
Promo: 6, he was honest and said if he had something he could get behind, then he would be a 7, but a solid 6

So Bret got a 23 and thus passes for a main event spot

He then brought up Hogan

Look: 10
Work: 4
Mic: 10

Bret gave him a higher rank then himself but showed that even with a weak field, if you are strong in others you can still be a main eventer

Now taking what Bret used apply that to other guys that confuse you

You mentioned Goldberg.

Look: 9 (Jacked Austin, which was hot at the time and a great entrance)
Work: 6, really got people going mind ya even if it was short
Promo: 5, not the best mic skills but he was playing the beast character

He got a 20 and thus JUST makes it for main event, but JUST making it shows just why his run was also just as brief.

So apply this to others guys

>>1615363
This was from his book I believe or an interview, I feel like I heard this somewhere before.

Bret Hart was actually a good promo especially in his Canadian Hero gimmick, I don't know where this revision is coming from where he wouldn't talk.

>>1615388
Bret said himself if he had something he could really "talk about and get behind" he saw himself as a solid 7, but even he knew his promos were weak if he was thrown into something loosely.

Like HEY BRET, it's you vs. the Berserker this Sunday. He got nothing.

But I do agree, 1997 Hart Foundation Bret Hart was really on fire.

>>1613170
Benoit destroyed his body for over 20 years until he finally was on top and Bret was actually pretty good on the mic.

>>1613189
>Benoit was shit on the mic, and Lesnar never speaks, yet they exhumed an aura of confidence and with it charisma.
>exhumed

Although the word you were going for was "exuded", that is creepily fitting for Benoit's current situation.

>>1615423
Both go into the LOOK category

Benoit:
Look 8
Work 10
Mic 5
Total: 23, his in the main event

Brock:
Look: 10
Work: 8
Mic: 6
Nigga got a 24, he's in the main event

>>1613371
This. His horsemen work was godawful too. Debra McMichael could outdo him honestly.

>>1614730
>carried the company on his back after record low diesel almost killed the wwf
>made austin a star

>>1615374
It's from his Timeline: WWF in 1992 shoot iirc.

>>1615423
kek

>>1615436
>look 8

what

>>1615468
He was jacked and intense as fuck. He looked tough as nails despite his height

>>1615468
Ripped murder-midget from the school of hard-knocks that could rip your arms off
He had a great look

>>1615474
there's no way that's an 8

>>1615363
Benoit
Look 7
In-ring work 6 post-95
Mic 3
16

Eddie
Look 8 when he went heel in WCW
In-ring 10 when he went heel
Mic 7 as heel maybe 8
25

Nash
Look 10
In-ring 5
Mic 7
22

Brock
Look 10 no shit
In-ring 7
Mic 3 but at least he has Heyman
20

Jasethy
Look 8
In-ring 8
Mic 5
21

'90s HBK
Look 10 when he ditched the mullet
In-ring 10 as a face in the 90s 9 after curtain call
Mic 6 or 7
25 at least

Angle
Look 10
In-ring 8
Mic 9
27 based kurt

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>>1615514
>Benoit look 7, in ring 6
>his look higher than in ring skill

>jasethy with higher in ring score than Benoit

>>1615540
I don't like his hollering and retard face selling. And I think diving headbutt is the most retarded move ever. He's a jacked lil guy though and in '95 he had beautiful matches in ecw, njpw, and in wcw with Eddie.

>>1615514
objectively wrong.

>>1615514
>>>/r/eddit

>>1615514
This is the worst post ive ever seen

> benoit in ring 6
Pls

> nash 7 on the mic
> falling for the nash meme

> HBGay
> thinks skinny twink look a 10
> cant sell for shit but in ring 10

> angle a 10 look

>>1615514
Benoit-20
L-6
W-10
M-4

Eddie-23
L-7
W-9
M-7

Nash-19
L-8
W-4
M-7

Brock-20 ..agree on this
L-10
W-7current (9 for RA)
M-3

Seth-22
L-7
W-9
M-6

HBK-25-21
L-8(90s) 6(current)
W-10
M-7(with DX) 5(Nu-DX)

ANGLE-24
L-7(smallish but legit af)
W-11
Mic-7(possible 10 for bestiality sex and dis-fondness of blacks and jeebus)

>>1615363
>this fat fuck was super over legit draw at one point

shouldn't dusty have proven that looks truly do not matter since he was at his prime so long ago? so why is this conversation of looks matter in wrestling still going on when dusty has long proven you don't have to have the steroid look to draw or be over?

>>1615436
Brock should realistically get a zero for mic since he barely ever talks these days. Although I would say Brock pre-UFC was deffinitely a 10 for look and work. He was also good on the mic before he left. These days he's never on the mic so he can't even actually be ranked on that scale fairly.

>>1615363
Others considered?

Nature Boy-28
L-8(best heel champ before HHH maybe even still)
W-10
M-10

Dusty-20
L-3
W-7
M-10

Macho man-26
L-8
W-10
M-8

Steiner-16-19
L-5(90's) 7(poppa pump)
W-9(goat tier in 90's) 3(recliner days)
M-2..9( just for the memes alone)

>>1616389
> Nature Boy-28
L-8(best heel champ before HHH maybe even still)
W-10
M-10

Ahhahahahahahaha, shittest of shit b8

Fuck off back to the Ganges pajeet

>>1616380
>Brock should realistically get a zero for mic since he barely ever talks these days
He's a hot spot for memes, I think hes got one more "Lets do THIIiiis?!" in him.

What's with the myth that Benoit was a big star? Bret Hart is derided decades later, DECADES LATER, as a boring piece of shit.

Benoit needed guys like Austin and The Rock and The New Age Outlaws to raise the tide for everybody else. Get fucked faggot.

>>1616354
> outlaw wrestling
What happened to that defunct backwater promotion again?
We are talking about the big leagues here

>>1616389
>Flair having a better look than Steiner

lmao

>Bret Hart: 15
Look: 4, pink is so gay
Work: 6 at best, was very average with the exception of when he was wrestling with his friends
Mic: 5, definition of average, no charisma whatsoever.

>>1616393
Neither is talking nor ring skill that what make a WWE legend ,.

But what they do after match , they make women go wild?

If yes then he is true super star. That is what make Ric Flair ten ten star sir.

>>1616410
best chicken shit heel everyone wanted a piece of him crowds would try to get involved.

Steiner looked great with the chain mail but besides that lets be real he was just a roided out dude and 2000 that was hardly original

@1616412
Not even worth a (you)
B8 better if you are that desperate to talk to bretchad son

>>1616412
nah, Bret has a very specific kind of charisma and he was the most believable WWE-style worker of the era, if that makes sense.

He's just ugly and unlikable, but he did have some version of ''it''

>>1616393
>post opinions you don't like
>unable to dispute opinions

isn't it past your bed time?

>>1616418
yes that was due to his gimmick and charisma, not his look

rick rude once beat up flair for not looking like a world champion.

>>1616417
Pretty convincing pajeet gimmick brah
7/10

Needs more motherbitches and a few subtle spelling mistakes

>>1616406
And Dusty was over as fuck in the WWF

>>1616426
>rick rude once beat up flair for not looking like a world champion.

>getting worked by kayfabe 2.0
lol ok

>>1616423
> unable to dispute opinions
Why would i bother with b8 so laughable, how new are you m8?

I bet you earnestly reply in Was He A Draw? threads dont you

>>1616426
rick rude couldnt draw for shit..

>>1616429
> le fat embarrassing polka dot dancing elbow man
Dusty was a joke in the WWF.

Daniel Bryan-18
L-4 (would be a 2 if not for the beard)
W-10
M-4

CM Punk-25
L-5 (a bit too skinnyfat for his own good)
W-10
M-10

Memesaro-18
L-7
W-10
M-1 (I guess I can't give him a zero right?)

Le Samy Man-16
L-4
W-8
M-4

Kevin Owens-15
L-1 (this fat fuck has one of if not the worst look of any wrestler I seen)
W-8
M-6

I noticed these indie shitters are often massively overhyped and if it wasn't for their massive workrate they wouldn't even be employed. Daniel got extremely lucky his meme took off big time with the crowd, Cesaro will never get that lucky because he is a charisma vaccum, Kevin Owens should be thankful he's even there, Samy Zayn looks too much like your every day dude.

CM Punk was the only one of these guys listed that truly deserved to be where he was at but he could have been even better had he actually worked out.

>>1616438
Neither could Flair

Do you want me to tell you how many people paid to see Wreck Flair vs Ricky Memeboat in an 85000 seat stadium for the biggest match of his career?
I will tell you if you really want me to

>>1616444
Hey Vince!!!

>>1616434
>I bet you even enjoy watching wrestling! sick fuck!
> ur not experienced shitposter leik meh hurr durr
heres your you, dont spend it all

You literally only need one person to be a draw. Rick Rude is based and has one of the best bodies of all time. OF ALL TIME. He also got the best match ever out of Warrior who is completely worthless.

>>1616460
Embarrassing.
This is why newfriends shouldnt be allowed to post here

Go back to redddit where your 'post' might have got you a chuckle

>>1616422
He was boring as hell and couldn't be bothered to put any effort into his matches unless they were with his family or his butt budies

>>1616447
>CM Punk-25
>W-10
Hello Phillip

Punk only became a really good wrestler the last few years of his career and even then he's more like a 7 or 8

>>1616418
>Steiner looked great with the chain mail but besides that lets be real he was just a roided out dude and 2000 that was hardly original

No this is nonsense. Steiner's look at that time was pretty unique and his steroid look was definitely on another level from the other guys thanks to his arms mainly. So Steiner definitely was original even if he was just one of most taking roids.

>>1616471
Ok, i will humour you just for the sake of it. Here is a chance to back your shit b8 up
Explain his multiple 10/10 matches with Diesel and the 123 kid

>>1616453
>Do you want me to tell you how many people paid to see Wreck Flair vs Ricky Memeboat in an 85000 seat stadium for the biggest match of his career?
>I will tell you if you really want me to

>no replies

kek flaircucks

>>1616471
He was boring but I've never seen a bad Bret match, which is saying something considering he wrestled so many worthless pieces of shit in his time.

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>>1616496

>>1616503
Why are you posting Sammo Law?

>>1616489
>implying Sean Waltman isn't a top tier worker

>>1616489
He realized that people were getting bored of his tired act and was practically forced to have a match that didn't put the crowd to sleep

>>1616512
Bret shit all over the match he had with Jackie Chan there in his book

>>1616524
>reading a wrestler's book

L M A O
M
A
O

>>1616517
He was decent, i used to mark for him hard. Funny how he never had a match on that level ever again tho

>>1616519
Next time just dont type anything, im embarrassed for you
Congratulations, you got to talk to Bretchad
Im going to sleep now so dont reply to me again

>>1616524
Misawa hated working with non Japanese wrestlers

>>1616531
>going to sleep after talking about Bret hart matches
Sounds about right

>>1616447
D-Bry-21
L-5(hated the beard and legwarmers..but the yes chants and theme song helped got one of the most likable personalities too)
W-10(undeniable ethic)
M-6(had his moments with Hell no and as a dorky heel)

Muh nigga CM Phil- 23-17
L-7.5...4 for 2013 muttenchop edition
W-7(His good stuff was outstanding but inconsistent af)
M-8.5(wish I was memeing but at times he was magnificent) 6(2013 Dgaf Edition)

Swissaro-20
L-7(legit farmstrong long limbed bastard)
W-9
M-4(doesnt talk well but connect with the crowd extremely well and isnt Kallisto or Sin Cara)

Sammy-21
L-5
W-10
M-6


Kevin owens I agree with. great wrestler but will not go far in wwe without hhh

>>1616532
Eh, pretty sure i remember watching a shitty match of his against curt hennig too
Having mediocre matches against Bret and Hennig is an achievement

>>1616532
I've heard that and believe it but have never heard any credible sources or instances.

There's a story about him easing a gaijin's worries about hurting him when the entire locker room was shitting on him for injuring THE GUY so Misawa took him aside, showed he was fine and winked because it was all part of a work to the audience. So he can't hate all foreigners, the only other thing I read is that he got a lot of heat for taking Stan Hansen out of the Champion's Carnival when he had the book but the very same tournament Vader won

>>1616470
>newfriends
its newfags, newfag

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>>1616537
U cheeky cunt m8

>>1616548
Go back to /b/ kiddo

>>1616389
Styles-19 (amazing to watch but would never be a star if he never went to japan)
L-5
W-9
M-5

Balor aka ledemon kang-15
L-vanilla midge=4
W-7(technically good but the most boring to step in ring
M-4

stupid idiot-22-17
L-7(pre dad bod) currently 4
W-8
M-7(at one time could hang with the rock) 5 current has his moments

Snek-20
L-8
W-6
M-6

Cena-21
L-8
W-6
M-7

>>1616589
By snek do you mean boreton?
You think hes better than jericho on the mic?

>>1616595
over the recent years yes, overall jericho beats him outta the water

>>1616589
nah styles is definitely a 10 for workrate. the guy is legit the best worker they got right now. his mic work right now as a heel is also pretty good. I'd give styles this rating:

L-5 (bad haircut and short but neat looking gear and decent physique for his height make up for it somewhat)
W-10 (without a doubt he's been the most consistent best wrestler right now in WWE)
M-7 (he's improved here a lot since his TNA days)

Overall: 22

They need to give him at least one WWE title run.

>>1616494
>this desparate for attention
>this jelly of Flair
>Blames Flair when steamboat had belt
>WWF had hulkamania and better tv deals at this time
stay cucked fedora lord

HHH
look: 8
work: 7
mic: 6

Dean
look: 6
work: 6
mic: 6

Roman
look: 10
work: 7
mic: 3

Seth
look: 7
work: 8
mic: 5

Finn
look: 7
work: 7
mic: 6

Undertaker
look: 10
work: 7
mic: 5

>>1616653
I wouldnt mind seeing him with the belt but I can't shake the fact he's on the roster instead on a novelty like Nakamura.

What's AJ's best promo in your opinion? I honestly can't think of anything that stands out, if anything his best was in TNA.

>>1616695
meanwhile the legit stars

Hogan
look: 10
work: 4
mic: 10

Austin
look: 9
work: 7
mic: 9

Rock
look: 9
work: 6
mic: 10

Flair
look: 6
work: 9
mic: 9

Cena
look: 8
work: 7
mic: 8

all has to do with mic work and looks mate

>>1616695
Agree with HHH and Taker 100%

Kek Satanic Deaner Cursing the ratings

Dean is-16
L-6(after shield split there was a moment he was red hot like an 8 or 9)
W-4(below cena tier moveset)
M-6

Roman-18
L-9(sells dem shirts an posters)
W-5(simple but pretty effective)
M-2

>>1616702
He hasn't had a single stand out promo in WWE but overall he's had good mic work and almost no promo I can think of for him was a cringe fest in WWE so far. Like you see with Roman or Cesaro. These days in WWE a 7 for mic work would probably been a 9 back then. Most wrestlers these days have garbage mic work so this is a good compliment for styles.

>>1616695

>Finn mic skills 6

> Roman mic skills 3


Finn is way worse than Roman in every way on the mic.

>>1616280
>>1616292
>>1616320
>> benoit in ring 6
>Pls
He was a shell of his former talent from 1996 on. Are you guys just asshurt manlets or wh-
>>falling for the Nash meme
Oh.

>>1613170
One major aspect of being a nu-male is being overly chatty. Men can't be men of few words anymore. Single moms will think something is wrong with you.

>>1616380
These days you have to take Heyman into account, they're a whole package. Add whatever Lesnar's score (18 or so) to Heyman's (10 on mic, no rating on everything else) and you get a 20+.

>>1616707
in no world is Hogan a 10 on the mic

>The right gay at the right time

>>1617576
>shrieking bald jew who repeats the same promo over and over again
>10 promo

>>1616765
He's just Irish, roman is Muslim and cant cut good goy pornos

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>>1617583
>one bad promo means you're finished

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxlS15DmJEM

All it took was being the greatest technical wrestler of all time and sacrificing his body for sick spots for 15 years before an upper midcard title reign sandwiched in between HHH killing RAW

Stop acting like Benoit proves anything. He proves what Bryan and Bret prove.
Wrestling fans love wrestlers who LOVE to wrestle more than anything at all.

Benoit was never as over as you remember. He was Jericho floundering in mid card levels of over at his peak and never as over as Jericho was in the early and late 2000's

Kevin Owens
L- 6
One of the most recognizable non cookie cutter wrestlers right now and harkens back to a time when men could be big
W- 7
My definition of an above average guy. He will either blow the roof off the building with a real talent or salvage a solid match with a bad one
M-8
Snarky heel. Quick on his feet in commentary and adds a lot of subtle things that flesh out promos and banter

Sami Zayn
L- 2
He needs to start from scratch. The tights, ring jacket and hat are awful. He is undefined and his hair and beard make him look like a bicycle Mormon forgot to shave
W-9
Probably the 2nd best wrestler in the company right now. Hasn't had a bad PPV match all year
M-4
He shows flashes but he never has anything substantial to say. You could replace all his words with "yeah I'm going to win because I try hard" and get the same effect

>>1616680
> excuses
> doesnt even reply to me
Kek

> he fell for the Flair was ever good meme

>Wyatt (22)
L - 7
Football Running Back, Looks tanky as fuck, can stand toe-to-toe with Triple H, scary beard
R - 6
Serviceable in the ring and brutal fucking moveset. Uranage slam is nuts
M - 9
Could be a 10 if he is given better material to work with.

>Styles (19)
L - 6/10
Decent look, ripped to some degree, midget
W - 9/10
Age is catching up to him, but still the best enhancement talent WWE can offer. Can work with everybody sans Curt Hawkins
M - 5/10
Improved from last two years, still awkward most of the time, but brings fire

>Kevin Owens (18)
L - 2/10
Kevin from 2005 onwards is an angry sack of fat and lard. Only time where he is believable is when he blades his face. Also small
W- 9/10
Scary power moves, high flying, can work a good match when he wants.
M - 7/10
French accent and upbringing shows through, but quick-witted and has charisma

>>1615363
This shit again.

Look is nowhere near as important at the other two.

>The Great Khali (1)
L - 4
W - 0
M - -3

>Scott Steiner (32)
L - 11
W - 7
M - 14

>>1617740
>>The Great Khali (1)
>L - 4
>W - 0
>M - -3
Nice maths.

>>1613170
Well look where both are now

>>1617742
4 - 3 = 1

>>1616389
Flair did have a great look, but his work isn't a 10. He was a great worker, but had almost no moveset.

>>1616447
Daniel Bryan 22
L - 6 (his look as the underdog at Wrestlemania 30 was perfect for the role)
W - 10
M - 6

CM Punk 23
L - 5 (he looked sort of cool when he had the slicked back hair in a t-shirt, but in ring he always looked like a slob)
W - 8
M - 10

Cesaro 17
L - 5 (boring, though the tape helps)
W - 9
M - 3

Sami Zayn 19
L - 4
W - 10
M - 5

Kevin Owens 23
L - 6 (His look isn't ideal for most, but it enhances his gimmick)
W - 9
M - 8

>>1616471
What about his classics with Mr. Perfect and Stone Cold?

>>1616589
Styles - 21
L - 5
W - 10 (Best in WWE right now and since prime DBry. Great in ring storyteller and technical but has a great moveset that's fun to watch.
M - 6

Balor 18 - 20
L - 7 (9 as demon)
W - 7
M - 4

Jericho 19 - 23
L - 8 (pre dad-bod and trunks) 4 now
W - 7
M - 8 (Used to be a 9 or 10)

Orton 20 (used to be a much better worker)
L - 9
W - 6
M - 5

Cena 23
L - 7 (looks sort of corny and his muscles are awkward)
W - 8 underrated as fuck
M - 8

>>1616695
HHH 23
L - 9 (has looked good since RA)
W - 7
M - 7

Dean 21
L - 6
W - 7 (good Dean matches this year have been really good) See roadblock with Haitch or any of his title defenses leading up to the last PPV even though I know /asp/ hated them)
M - 8

Roman 19
L - 9 (too pretty for 10 and his boots need to match his vests with a matching stripe. It's design 101 and they keep fucking it up)
W - 6
M - 4

Seth 22
L- 7
W - 9
M - 6

Undertaker 22
L - 10
W - 8 (he's not the type who can elevate mediocre or bad workers like Bryan, HBK, or Styles, but with a good worker he really delivers.)
M - 4

>>1616707
Hogan 24
L: 10
W: 4
M: 10

Austin 25
L: 9
W: 7
M: 9

Rock 25
L: 9
W: 6
M: 10

Flair 25
L: 8
W: 7
M: 10

Cena 22
L: 7
W: 7
M: 8

Bret 24
L: 8
W: 10
M: 6

Dusty 15
L: 1
W: 4
M: 9

Wyatt 22
L: 7
W: 7
M: 8

Brock 19
L: 10
W: 5
M: 4

>>1617865
>Hogan's wrestling 4

I know in the WWF/WCW/WWE he got SUUUPER popular throwing right hands, big boots, and leg drops, but if you watch some of his japanese stuff the guy is throwing flying Fujiwara armbars, stiff lariats, crazy shit.

>>1614553
that's the point...

>>1616354
Son of a plumber. Florida's biggest babyface before going to Crockett. Listen to the Hard Times promo.

>>1617991
Yeah, but that was maybe 3 years out of a 30 year career.

Vanilla midgets dont draw