At one time, The WWF/WWE was culturally relevant and a ratings

Vinces egomania exceeding his booking talent, a lack of real competition created stagnation and wwe failed to adapt/keep up with the times.

>>1301707
they hired dean ambrose

The same thing that was going wrong last time this happened in the early/mid 90s

>>1301712
This is a valid point. In fact hiring all 3 members of The Shield was a bad decision.
They really started to go to shit when they got the "F" out and started one of the worst concepts of all time in the brand split.

>>1301719
> 3 guys who weren't even in wrestling at the beginning of this decline are responsible for the state of wWE

Are you some kind of stupid mark?

>>1301721
I didn't say they are completely responsible, but ratings have sure been in the shitter since they have been the primary focus.

>>1301719
Reigns is a draw tho

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>>1301725

>>1301724
Ratings have been in the shitter for over a dozen years.

>>1301726
>126k at WM
>B8

>>1301736
> WrestleMania tickets sell out literally months before the card is announced

And it was 126K. Can't wait for you to get unreasonably mad about this.

>>1301736
Less than 100k

>>1301733
RECORD LOWS since Tyler "Baby Dick" Black and Rock's cousin have been forced down our throats.
>>1301736
Wrestlemania is a draw retard. People go regardless of what shit Vince spoon feeds them.

>>1301744
So by your logic Undertaker shouldn't get pushed since he was on top during the previous record lows.

>>1301748
When was Undertaker ever on top? He was never considering to be the guy.

>>1301744
Also:

> Tyler Black

SMARK IT UP, BRO

All of the following have led to the decline of WWE.
HBGay and the cancer known as The Clique
Changing their name (Getting the "F" out)
The brand split
Gaitch marrying the uber cunt Stephanie and pushing out Shane
Linda's Senate bid forcing stupid PG kid friendly programing
The Shield aka Sure fire ratings poison
Letting Punk walk
MemeXT

It was just a coincidence the WWF got to where it was. A combination of the kids who grew up watching it in the 80s and early 90s continuing to watch, Vince and Russo figuring out how to do the edgy, frat bro TV that was popular in culture at the time, and people not having as many choices on TV than they do now.

It's not anyone's fault specifically, it was a momentary magic that can't be recreated.

Polite reminder that Rollins's 1st night as WWE Champ is the highest-rated broadcast of the 3-hour era and one of the highest rated episodes of the past 10 years

Based A+ Player

>>1301766
>Vince and Russo figuring out how to do the edgy, frat bro TV that was popular in culture at the time,

AKA ripping off Heyman

You're just making excuses for WWE suffering from putting on an audience-alienating product.

Virtually every other promotion on the planet is growing EXCEPT WWE. What does that tell you?

The decline and death of its main competition.

>>1301738
Everyone buying tickets knew it was going to be Lesnar/Reigns, Shield 3-way, Reigns/Cena, or Reigns/HHH. Reigns was the draw.

>>1301814
Being this delusional.

>>1301814
> this utter level of confirmation bias and self-delusion

>>1301736
It was less than 100,000.

And it's Wrestlemania that's a draw you retarded anti-smark.

>not a single mention of WCW dying, causing WWE to have no real competition

>>1301846
Literally the first reply you sub-literate twit

>>1301846
Lack of competition is literally in the first response.

>>1301707
They caved in to neckbeard demand when technical midgets with no talent outside the ring like Benoit and dbry started winning top championships.

People grew up.

>>1301816
>>1301817
>samefagging this hard

you're delusinal buddy.

>>1301860
Imagine actually believing this.

>>1301875
>delusinal

Fucking state of your ass.

UFC

>>1301881
It's been a common trend for the past 10 years to have midgets with no promo skills main event or consume large parts of the show.
That is definitely a problem.

>>1301897
MMGay is a niche sport at best and has no effect on wrestling. If any thing, there would be more of a crossover of fans between the two.

>>1301891
shut up Carter

> literally arguing with yourself

>>1301900
>B-But everyone would be a winner!

>>1301707
WCW closed is what went wrong

>>1301898
As opposed to "THE GUY" right now, who is an extra-medium with zero promo skills?

Bryan's RAWafterMania drew better ratings than THE fucking ROCK's comebacks.

Deal with it, sizequeen faget.

>>1301792
That WWE has reached the limit to what a wrestling promotion can realistically do.

Small indy feds are growing only in terms of their own markets, it's not like they're challenging WWE dominance. If anything indy feds have regressed massively in the past decade. ROH and TNA are shells of their former selves. Lucha Underground is not the same as others and is hardly a threat itself.

>>1301905
You mean manlets that get pushed and given a bit of responsibility and repay Vince by being too weak to handle it? I mean after

Eddie
Benoit
Hardy
Bryan
Rollins

Are ALL given the limelight then either die, poison themselves, or have serious injuries, you have to start asking if manlets can carry a company.

>>1301917
How tall was Austin?

>>1301918
Less than 6'7 so he's a fucking manlet too.

>>1301919
And he couldn't carry the company?

>>1301905
As awful as Roman is on the mic he still garners a large number of fans because if his appearance.
If he were a manlet it would be even worse.

>>1301920
He literally saved them from being killed by WCW.

>>1301925
So it was a manlet that saved the company?

>>1301718
This is worst tho. There was competition in that era. Today wwe is dropping with no competition.

>>1301871
This

>>1301917
>Seth Rollins
>Manlet
He's 6 foot 1 and has one of the best lean natural physics. Similar to a 24 year old Orton.

>>1301974
>billed height
he's below 6' you fucking mark. WWE boosts height and weight by at least 2" and 20lbs.

>>1301719
This

It will be known as the Shield Era. When Deanetty, Jasethy and Romanetty delivered nothing but

RECORD
LOW
RATINGS

>>1301707

Lack of glass ceiling breaking talent.


They need stars that will reach people who not even wrestling fans.


See Stone Cold for an example.

>>1301985
Reminder that Cena is the only guy post Rock/Austin to keep the ratings above 4.

>>1301993
Cena was Vince's forced babyface that was marketed toward the kiddies and made their fat middle aged mommies' pussy twitch.

>>1301756
Agree on all, aside from NXT.

It's pretty much their only saving grace.

>>1301917
Holy shit. I've seen strippers with less Daddy issues than you.

>>1301958
WWF declined in popularity long before Nitro was a thing.

>>1301985
> 3 Jannettys

Don't think you understand how that meme works pal

>>1302045
>not realizing the meme has mutated

Hello plebbit

>>1302055
> le readit boogeyman

Never posted there, never will.

Stop being dumb, dummy.

>>1302006
>Not bowing to Cena
Sounds like you need to rise above hate, friend.

>>1302067
Sounds like you need to rise above the age of 18

>>1302069
masterful kek

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Ask any casual that used to watch wrestling all the time back int day why they stopped and it's same answer.

Wrestling isn'y cool anymore.

Many people grew out of it and since the switch to TV-PG, many have gone on to watch other shit.

Dean ambrose

lack of competition
micromanagement of the talent.
a growing disconnect between what the fans want vs what vince personally wants to see.

>>1301792
>Polite reminder that Rollins's 1st night as WWE Champ is the highest-rated broadcast of the 3-hour era and one of the highest rated episodes of the past 10 years
People tuned in for Lesnar not Haitch B+ successor.

>many wrestlers die
>Chris Benoit

>>1301922
>he still garners a large number of fans
Record low ratings bitch.

They still are one of the highest rated shows on cable

But
1. WCW dies
2. No new major stars
3. More TV channels
4. UFC/MMA

>>1301707
most people grew up.

>>1301707
every dog has its day

>>1302131
That's a cool map.

>>1301709

I like how the first reply is "/thread" material but the shitposters here ignored it because it isn't an aggressively-worded contrarian shitpost.

>>1302819
Spoken like someone who enjoys the smell of his own farts.

WWF buying WCW and ECW, which meant no more competition on TV, WWE became a publicly traded company, Linda's runs for governor, Eddie and Benoit dying in a short time lapse (both deaths were initially attributed to steroid use)

>>1302507
Holy fuck, I stopped watching RAW at it's peak. I was obsessive and I thought wrestling was some childish shit you had to forget about in order to grow up.

>>1302507
The attitude era was stacked with talent that had the freedom to experiment. The lows were very low, but the highs were amazing.

because its fucking boring. even if they kept it like the attitude era, you would all get bored of it. springer was popular too but its just the same shit and no longer shocking.

strange that people eat up reality shows of "literally who?"s though.

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>>1301707
The Invasion angle.

>>1302883
Invasion was awful. It didn't even have the top WCW guys.

>>1302891
Exactly. I hate Vince for somehow screwing that up. He had enough money from the Attitude Era to buy contracts from top WCW guys that were now free agents.

>>1302915
I'm pretty sure he tried to get the top WCW guys, but guys loyal to WCW that made most their money ther, like Sting, didn't want to be on WWE because they all knew they were going to be buried.
All the WCW guys that signed when/after WWE bought WCW got buried; Booker, Steiner, DDP, Malenko, Palumbo, O'Haire, Goldberg, Shane Helms... All of them got fucked by WWE.

>>1301974

>Seth Rollins
>natty

This is what people who don't lift actually believe.

>>1302981
>Goldberg
>buried

>>1302981

Even without the "big names," that angle had no right to be as fucking godawful as it was.

>>1302984
They ultimately had to have a winner. Both Brock and Goldberg got the Stunner at the end of the match and it's common knowledge that Goldberg didn't leave on good terms.

>>1301707
Catering to nerds/smarks who like pg indy manlets doing flippy shit.

>>1301707
Cable is dying, wwe being irrelevant beats mostly every other crap on tv monday nights without nfl or nba playoff as competition.

>>1302026
If your a smark sure. But a normal guy like me sees that shit, i'm bored with all the nobodys there and the lower production shows they put out with the nerds screaming cringey shit. I can't bare to watch that shit when i had the network.

>>1301958
early 90's were awful for wwf, they almost went bankrupt.

wcw should have won the wars if their management wasn't so fucked up

>>1301914
If WWE has reached its limits why is it below several of its peaks? Or even in CONSTANT decline over the past 15 years?

>Small indy feds are growing only in terms of their own markets, it's not like they're challenging WWE dominance.

Never said they were.

And cool, you don't watch ROH or literally any other indy. Good. Please stop talking about things you don't know shit about.

>>1302170
Show your working.

>>1302507
This makes me so happy. I can't wait until Vince's "sports entertainment" is dead and buried.

>>1301707
People grew up. Not that many people have or watch cable. Everything is dropping, WWE its ova.

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>>1302507
DELETE THIS

>>1304111
> Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead & NCAA getting RECORD. HIGH. RATINGS

>>1305411
Those are all socially acceptable to watch though. Wrestling is on par, or maybe only above, anime in terms of social acceptance at this point.

>>1305419
He's responding to the whole "cable is dying" thing the other guy said.

>>1304111
live TV is at a premium, Raw will always have a place on TV and it's still one of higher rated cable shows.

Vanilla midgets like dbry

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>>1301949
>no replies

WWE is real shitty.

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I miss Eddie

>>1308674
That's an understatement.

>>1308742
Holy shit I'm actually watching this show

>>1303035
Agreed, it's shit. I'm tired of nerds talking about who's going to get "called up" next. I've just recently started watching wrestling again and this smarkery is just fucking annoying. They get meme superstars like Daniel Bryan over and cheer for superstars like Cesaro who is as entertaining as a week old piece of white wonder bread.

>tfw first started watching wrestling during the ruthless aggression era
>never got to watch during the attitude era in a comfy air-conditioned room with some buddies and bags of chips and burgers
>maybe do super gay experimentation "show me your's and i'll show you mine's" after during a sleepover after raw ends

Our only hope for the future is that a Trump presidency actually happens and everyone embraces teenage-tier edgyness again, convincing WWE to have testosterone-laden, roid-driven, racy wrasslin' again.

>we'll never see crazy man Vince go to the ring and make Bayley bark like a dog
>cole white knights Bayley
>JBL yells at him "SHUT THE HELL UP MAGGLE SHE DESERVES IT"

>>1308852
Anti-smarks confirmed for faggots.

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>>1308742
;_;

>>1301707
People are giving up on cable.

>>1303035
>nobodys

Everybody is a "nobody" at some point in their career, you dingdong. Do you only like stuff after you've been told to?

>>1308852
kill yourself jmarlow

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>>1301707
No competition caused the product to become stagnant and complacent. The only 'competition' is from within with NXT and that's because Vince lets his son in law play around with his pet project.

We need a new billionaire Ted who's willing to burn at least $500 mill to attempt to compete with Vince. There must be a way to convince this guy to drop the whole electric car bullshit and invest in prowrestling instead.

>>1301707
Cable tv is dead. WWE is boring.

>>1309041
Why would anybody want THAT running a professional wrestling promotion? I'd rather watch Roman Reigns matches.

>>1308886
Game of Thrones
The Walking Dead
NCAA

And even pretending that is true, the WWE began losing viewers long before cable-cutting was a thing.

>>1305436
Raw being as irrelevant as it is, thats quite pathetic that its beating everything else.

>>1309062
Just two shows are making it, the rest are not, thats pathetic. Cable is dying nigger. Get with the times.

>>1309074
So could you read the other 2 lines of my post?

>>1305411
>>1305422
Again two fucking shows to the 1000s of shows like raw that are not making it. Cable is dying fast. WWE is beyond dead now. Not to mention WWE is at the same level as mlp.

Pandering to internet crowd, notice how they bring in indie darlings and it pretty much died.

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>>1309081
Cable has been dying for over 15 years?

>>1309123
Ah yes, remember all those "indie darlings" they were pushing in 2002-2003?

>>1309144
What indie guys?

*Steps out of the shadows*

There was a 4th murder that night at the Benoit residence... and that was professional wrestling.
You deny it, but look;
>>1302507

Calling it WWE. E doesn't have the same impact as F, you sound like a fucking fat dork.

Letting Triple H wave his dick around on RAW between 2002-2006, fucking over Steiner, Goldberg, Booker T, Ric Flair, and eventually Sting.

The Shield was good. It's too bad they couldn't keep the flame going long enough, they burned out fast. Rollins is still talented as fuck tho.

Benoit killed it. No one wants that shit on their conscience.

Also not letting wrestlers have more creative freedom. It was much better when they improvised, cursed, drew blood, did all that crazy shit that made wrestling fun.

>>1309147
Whoosh.

>>1301707
2007.

>>1309123
> le outlaw darlings meme
There is no one else better. Are they going to megapush ryback or braun?

>>1301756
>Gaitch marrying the uber cunt Stephanie and pushing out Shane

Shane is fucking shit, if anything Haitch is much better. Shane's a good businessman but Haitch knows the business better, all Shane's good for when it comes to wrestling is jumping off titantrons and cages.

>>1309355
Mandatory reminder that Shane was one of the biggest proponents of pushing Stone Cold.

>>1309362
>Shanefags being this delusional

top kek

>>1309355
> haitch knows the business better
Yet he does fuck all with that so valled knowledge except turn ever more increasing fans away like he has been doing ever since 2000

>>1309355
Fuck off Gaitch. Don't you have some shitty MemeXT shows to book?

>>1309374
He's the one behind Daniel Bryan and Seth Rollins' push.

>>1309375
Ey Shane'O, don't you have some buildings to fall off and go HELLO <name of the city>?

>>1309384
They went well didnt they

>>1309385
A+ matches from seth, bryans body couldnt handle it but they found out the chant was gold and more over.

>>1309372
>facts I don't like are delusions

Well at least you're not calling them memes.

>>1301991

They're never going to have that as long as Vince keeps killing anyone who shows any connection to the audience in favor of his handpicked bores.

>>1301991
If 1996 Steve Austin were on the roster today, he'd be a directionless heel jobbing to midcarders and never getting any mic time.

>>1309041

That turd could only run a successful pro wrestling promotion if he was getting hundreds of millions of dollars in government subsidies. Fuck off.

>>1309147

That was his point, stupid. They weren't pushing any indy guys back then, and that's when ratings started to tank.

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>>1309153

>*Steps out of the shadows*

>>1309165
Not saying accomplished wrestlers shouldn't get pushed, but...

OHHHHH /asp/!
DON'T YOU DARE
BE SOUR

>>1309440
>inspiring this reactiongif is literally the greatest accomplishment in Cameron's life

>>1309447
Cameron's an upcoming guest on Austin's podcast apparently. That'll be an interesting one.

>>1309460
I doubt it, she's incredibly vapid & stupid.

>>1309468
Does she suck good dick though?

>>1309468

Still, I would pay money to see Stone Cold ask her, once again, what her favorite match is, and see if she can rub two brain cells together and come up with a less embarrassing asspull for an answer.

>>1309472
She says it's now Mankind vs Undertaker hiac

>>1309506
As far as actual wrestling goes, that's still a pretty shit choice.

>>1309535

Yeah. At least it had good entertainment value.

It's STILL definitely not Taker's best match by any metric, and probably not Foley's.

they got too big. they are literally the entire industry now. The game has come to an end.

either kayfabe or legit, they should break down the federation - like a brand split but more permanent, and more meaningful. Have a hardcore product; have an indie product; have an old school Good v Bad product; have a cruiserweight product.

WWE as a brand should emphasise the "World" part of it. They should only run Wrestlemania, Royal Rumble, and Summerslam as WWE products - and no weekly TV at all. These 3 ppv's should be like the World Cups of wrestling, and the only time when the talent from each individual federation is able to compete against each other.

>>1301904
This right here i stopped watching after this. Not to mention this pg era bullshit.

>>1301707
Who wants to watch a 3 hour boring fake disney level pg wrestling show in 2016? Only autistic grown man who play with action figures and toy guns and read comic books. Not even kids watch this shit.

>>1301707
Tv is kill and wwe does not have the talent to make it into the mainstream.

>>1308977
Who's jmarlow?

>>1301709
Underrated post and pretty much the answer.

Vince never moved past the Hulkamania and the Attitude Era. Constantly drops off talent for turds that look beefier and the closest competition got WCW'd.

>>1309668
These are some terrible fantasy booking ideas even by marky-ass /wwe/ standards

>>1310041
Vince never even wanted to go Attitude.

>>1310075
Pretty much, and now look at him. He sucks it off like he was 100% responsible and behind it all the way and it wasn't just because WCW was bending him over and fucking him raw.


The guy's ego is 100% keeping the WWE back. Nothing is more cringeworthy than watching the shambling corpses of the guys I love being pimped out by Vince for cheap pop because he doesn't know how to get it otherwise while he ignores his over midcarders and mutes the boos for his shitty main eventers.

>>1309447
>>1309472

I would pay to see Cameron work with the Joshi's down there in Japan. They will bully and desecrate her to death.

She might be stupid enough to go there.

>>1301707
It's a mix of many thing. Mainly, i would blame how society went from admiring strength to defending weakness. In this era of everyone is special, no one really ends up being special at all and this effects wrestling like it effects anything else. Society isn't keen on watching two people duke it out for principles (or any sort of squabble) when they have been taught to be passive and find peaceful solutions to their problems. (weather or not it's effective, it's still portrayed as the preferred tactic, thus why terrorism actually wins... but i'm digressing)

Second, and a lot of people here pointed it out, ratings are down because less people buy/watches cable tv. I certainly am not going to pay 200$ a month to watch the same shit on every channels when I can pick the good stuff and watch it online. In this computer age tv rating really means nothing anymore. What we should be paying attention to is the attendance to live shows and sells of merchandise.

And lastly, the stories. You just don't get into the stories anymore. A lot of the feuds are as electrifying as a wet fart, the narration is overly scripted and the talent are rarely allowed to deviate from the material they are given. Also, there was a time when the stories were written far ahead of time and the build up was hot. Now they write and rewrite until the last second, build ideas up and drop them on a whim leaving the fans wondering just what this was all about.

I would also like to add that as much as I appreciate that the company is trying to keep both their image and their talents healthy, injuries leave and suspensions are a major player in the constant flickering of story telling.

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>>1301918
>>1301919
>>1301920
>>1301925
>>1301949

>>1310184
That first point is pertinent and explains how guys like Daniel Bryan have gotten popular in this Modern Age. The agency of the fans gives them the ability to defend against their shortcomings, it also gives them ownership over his character when the roles should be reversed.

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>>1310184

Yea anon, it's society's fault pro wrestling is complete shit

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>>1301725

yeah because everybody wants to see him lose

>>1310184
>I would blame how society went from admiring strength to defending weakness.

That's the fucking stupidest thing I have ever read, people still want to see fucking rockstars battling it out. The most over guys in professional fighting are no good assholes with larger than life personalities. Ratings are down because wrestling doesn't provide that.
this testosterone filled main event did the biggest PPV sales of the year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G52ll7SzPE

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>>1310184
>Mainly, i would blame how society went from admiring strength to defending weakness. In this era of everyone is special, no one really ends up being special at all and this effects wrestling like it effects anything else. Society isn't keen on watching two people duke it out for principles (or any sort of squabble) when they have been taught to be passive and find peaceful solutions to their problems. (weather or not it's effective, it's still portrayed as the preferred tactic, thus why terrorism actually wins... but i'm digressing)

>>1310184
>Mainly, i would blame how society went from admiring strength to defending weakness

dead wrong buddy, people still love that kind of shit, look at the popularity of superhero movies.

>Second, ratings are down because less people buy/watches cable tv.

But Raw also gets a smaller piece of the rating pie, WWE is just not competitive enough with what's on TV nowadays.

>And lastly, the stories

There it is, only reason, fuck I wish WWE had some great writers.

>WWE has some of the best talent they've had since the attitude era
>wasting all of it because shit writing staff
JUST

>>1310667
What do you mean? Roman is the champ. He's got more talent in his left nut than the entire roster.

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>>1309144
>those ratings

>>1310295
Fuck off, ufc is irrelevant compared to WWE. Wrestling will never make it big again, it becoming a niche smark fest. They are lucky tv is dying and they are on top despite being shit and irrelevant.

>>1309355
They both suck, they only know how to run this business to the ground.

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>>1309144
>mfw Ruthless Aggression almost pulled the come back, but then Super Cena and no developing any talent outside of him and the beginning of JUST THROW OUT SOME ATTITUDE ERA STARS FOR POP DAMNIT happened

>>1318227
Big Match John kept this company alive for the last decade though.

>>1318265
The real dip and failure to return to Mania level ratings is when the Reigns push.

>>1318277
If WWE was smart they'd drop USOs as his buddies (end #TheBloodline shit), have Roman & Dean have a falling out, create a non-traditional heel in Roman where he's not good or bad, just a dude who no one can beat and create a storyline out of this shitty booking..
Right now it's like they just don't notice he's booked to be unstoppable BUT he still needs help. Commit to it or not. He's not a group guy (as booked right now).

>>1318302
I don't think this is a Vickie situation where they can just take the X-Pac heat and run with it.

I feel like if they turned him heel now he'd just get met with the silence their other cartoonish and garish heels get.

>>1318265
I'm pretty sure the post-Rumble bump had more to do with AJ Styles debuting than with Dwayne returning. It's not 2011 anymore. People know what to expect when Dwayne returns now
>20 min promo where the Dwayne shills for WWE while reusing his tired catchphrases

>>1318317
The most cringe inducing man in entertainment.

>>1318314
I agree with not thinking anything can really save it, but I guess I'm commenting more on how he's booked to be unstoppable (fucking kicks out of everything), yet he always has people saving his ass (USOs, Dean). Why not just have him say fuck everyone (actually be ONE vs ALL) and then WWE can push a "who will beat Roman?? Can anyone???". He can go through faces and heels as opponents.
>Then Cena can beat him and Vince can win his 10 year bet.

>>1310075
>>1310087
I don't know about that.

Vince sure seems to have fun cussing like a sailor on that "TVMA" network cartoon.

>>1318339
I don't think it's to save him. Reigns is going to look strong regardless. WWE just 'learned' from the whole Nexus vs Cena incident so they don't have one guy run rampant on an entire group by himself because it'll make them look weak. The saves are more for the other superstar to look like he's a threat enough to merit it so he doesn't get completely buried when Reigns kicks out of all his finishers, interference and bumps and hits them with one spear.

He doesn't have the intensity I think to pull off the Goldberg angle. Goldberg had the intensity and looked intimidating and didn't struggle to lift tiny guys over his head. Reigns struggles to pick up guys like Breeze.

The only way to salvage Reigns imo is to make him disappear for a little while and resurface with the Bloodline and pull a Nation of Domination angle with them or otherwise find some way to work him into a stable.

Reigns only really works in a stable, by himself he's lacks the charisma and skill to sustain himself outside of the midcard or be a monster.

>>1310294
non-Reigns mark here,
That's heel heat, which is still drawing power.

>>1318376
This is some good bait friend.

>>1318376
Hasn't been a draw though, hence the low ratings.
With Rollins back though.. The possibility of him losing increases. He can actually draw based on "can he beat Roman". AJ, no way.

>>1309144
I thought that the internet would have created a steeper decline with all the illegal streaming that goes on now days.

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>>1301707
The Charlotte vs Natalie match was so fucking stupid like my brain is melting right now over how fucking bad the storylines are. First Charlotte pisses off entire roster then they introduce the good guy Nat to beat her for justice - and then she never does. Same deal was with Zack Ryder they´re literally cucking people at this point. Current WWE´s like a movie with no finales and everyone knows how stupid that feels.
WCW was awesome, 2016 WWE feels painfully awkward to watch. It´s definetly gone downhill hard since the Sting vs DDB match i saw in 1998

>>1318465
>getting worked by a heel champ being booked strong

>>1318265
The NFL logo in the chart background thou.

>>1318481
its still supposed to be fun entertainment whats the point of checking it out if it just makes me feel mad. everybody with a title or who wants a title is a fucking asshole and they cant wrestle

>>1301900
>MMGay is a niche sport at best

It IS actually a sport, unlike mandrama.

Stephanie started to write for wwe creative.

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>>1318926
Sure it is.

>>1310184

This is a lot of words when the correct answer is: Linda McMahon's run for political office.

>>1320745
Or the WWE turning PG due to the commitments made to land the Mattel toy deal?

>>1318265
Imagine how low the ratings will go if The Lunatic Cringe or EAT STEEN EAT get the strap.

>>1301707
They let CM Punk do his "real" shoot.

It made the business look like a joke and no one has taken it seriously ever since.

>>1301974
>natural
Lol.

>>1301974
With all those injection sites, I bet Orton's ass looks like the Moon.

>>1322159
You have to be 18 to post here

>>1302507
*glass breaks*

>>1318202
UFC 196 did more buys than any of the WWE PPV in years, UFC has more mainstream recognition.

>>1301707
Austin got hurt.
Rock left for Hollywood.
Taker got old.


And most of the new stars kind of suck. Basically what most fans say about wwe now. The star power just isn't the same level it use to be.

>>1322769
That's because the UFC product is pretty good now. McGregor and Rousey were legitimate mega stars before their losses. The only megastar the WWE has built in the past 15 years was Cena and even then he's never been on the level of Hogan, Austin or Rock.

Funny thing is they do a much better job with promos and building up hype than WWE does these days.

>>1302507
>that dip during the Reign Of Terror
Loving every laugh

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>>1322798
That was an aberration because people were getting used to losing both Austin and The Rock at the same time.It clearly wasn't a reflection on The Game, The Cerebral Assassin, and The King of Kings.

>>1322769
Wrestlemania had a bigger gate than anything UFC ever did

Also WWE doesn't concentrate on PPV anymore (even though they should)

>>1324910
Triple Shit was mediocre at best even during the Attitude Era.

Oh, boy. They're going to do a failed brand split... again. Vince is really doing everything in his power to kill his company. Why don't you autists help him and stop watching and giving them money?

>>1326068
The brand split was a good thing, it kept the talent fresh and cut down on their workload. Thus allowing them to do more things at PPVs without worrying of wear and tear keeping them performing up to snuff on both shows.

It'll also give guys who don't normally have a chance to wrestle because they can't break through the big names a chance since there will be only limited big names to each roster.

>>1326083
Typical Stamford Wives response.

Yes, I know, business-wise it doesn't make sense to do, but I think WWE should stop doing Smackdown.

They should go back to Monday Night RAW and Sunday Night Heat -- or a similar show.

Then they could actually focus more attention on being able to fill 3 hours of RAW without so much filler.

>>1326088
>Being wrong
>When confronted on it MUH SHILLS
Nothing was better than Triple H back in the day being quarantined on Raw while actual talent got to get exposed on Smackdown fear from the Reign of Terror.

Anybody else who says otherwise needs some 18+ing.

>>1308886
>>1309056

Are you fucking retarded? There are MORE cable channels than ever. They're all making money.

Even ignoring the huge shows like Game of Thrones and Walking Dead, there are shows like Bates Motel, Kardashian + other reality shit, Disney channel and Nick have tons of hit kids show, my mom watches crap like Major Crimes. Nationwide sports + local sports stuff. 24 hour news channels. Channels that show nothing but old movies and reruns of Friends are even getting by.

Only a retard fall for the "cable is dying" meme.

>>1326131
Cable might not be dying, but it has taken a hit lately.

People realized what complete utter retards they were for thinking it was real and their shame and embarrassment has haunted them still to this day.

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>>1301707

I'm sorry but TV ain't what is used to be back in the AE.

You could get every main indie darling, crush every other pro wrestling competitor, fire Roman tommorow, and put the best damn product on every week but it won't mean in the long run because people outside of the fanbase don't give a fuck about man drama. MMA is too big, normies still see it kid shit because of PG, and worker style wrestling like ROH, NXT, and NJPW are a niche group compared to the cena jimmies.

>>1301792

yeah ROH/NJPW are doing so well their biggest stable are a blatant NWO ripoff.

LE SUPERKICK COUNTER was fucking cringe

>>1301991

>Lack of glass ceiling breaking talent.

it's not that they don't have talent, they just keep pusking THE GUY down our collective throats.

>>1303007

that's why a manlet is champ right now, oh wait

>>1302915
Most of those top guys were paid to sit on their asses until the end of 2002 because they had contracts until then, so why work when you're getting paid to sit at home.

>>1318481
>Booked Strong
>Hasn't won a single title match without interference.
Even Seth, who has the worst booked Title Reign in recent history had clean wins.

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>>1309153
>Steps out of the shadows

>tripfags
>not even once

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>>1330586
>MMA is too big

>>1330586
>he watches MMGay

>>1301707

Backstage politics, "PG", having cartoon characters instead of overly dramatic personalities, terrible creative and storylines

>Backstage politics
Instead of learning from the past, the company allows a clique to dominate the steering wheel which fucks over legit talent

>"PG"
The attitude era gave wrestling an edge. Hardcore matches, unruly dialog and attitudes, and all out brawls made wrestling fun to watch because it was gruesome and edgy - the complete opposite to the flamboyant cartoon characters of Hogan and Warrior

>Cartoon Characters over Personality
People loved The Rock, Steve Austin, Mick Foley, and DX because they seemed like legit people. They didn't need to be a super hero or a sorcerer to attract attention, because they were caricatures of people everyone knows which makes them relatable.

Hell, you don't even need personalities just good performers. The Hardy Bros and the Dudleys were fun to watch because they were awesome at what they do, not because of their mic skills.

>Terrible creative and Storylines
Seriously, most storylines are utter bollocks. Every now and then, they do something right but you have to wade through shit to find it.

ROMEO
ECHO
CHARLIE
OSCAR
ROMEO
DELTA

LIMA
OSCAR
WHISKEY

RECORD LOW

i miss ecw..

>>1331847
Me too. I also miss the WWF and WCW and watching all three of them during the week.

>>1302507
how has no one done a timeline of what the storylines were and who was champ ect... that's overlaid with this

would be pretty revealing

I assume the uptick from 2004-2006 is the rise of Cena

no huge spike after the pipebomb either although lots of people say that's when they started watching again

wish it were a more detailed graph desu, looks like they only have 2 data points per year

>>1301855
Fuck off you far up your own ass leftard.

>>1301707

>Haven't had good storylines since 2010
>The Authority was oversold and overrun
>PG Era ruined it for the older fans
>Hasn't had a good personality/promo juggernaut since 2007
>3 hour shows with minimum matches
>Cena being a full on babyface for his entire career
>Roman Reigns being poorly pushed and not allowed to go heel

I could go on

I think I first noticed that WWE was changing and starting to lose its edge when they completely underused and ruined Bill Goldberg