/aq/-Aquarium General

>>2333966
>Autism Edition
>[citation needed]

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>>2333970
Why can't /an/ be friends?

Fuck my grandma. She ate my 12 inch delhezi. We're Americans now grandma. My uncle went to the local lake and brought home 8 5 gallon buckets of sunfish. Sometimes I hate my own people.

>>2333970
What kind of crayfish is that? Looks like a crayfish mixed with a ghost shrimp or something.

>>2333982
Dwarf Cajun crayfish. Shrimp friendly crays who get a bit over a inch.

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Anyone know why my dwarf gourami swims back and forth? he does this a lot. The cats seem to be acting normal though

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I got all my fish moved over to my 125 gallon last night.

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>>2334005

>>2333966
hey add the wiki to the general next time
http://aqfreshwater.wikia.com

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>>2334006

>>2334007
Didn't see it through all the autism in the last thread. Will do.

>>2334006
RIP barbels. Looks great though.

>>2334012
thanks, I'll put some work into it but let's try to make it into a repository for /aq/'s collective (lack of) knowledge.

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>>2334005
That's a really nice looking tank anon.

Also did some fish moving of my own last night. My Oscar went from a 20 to a 60 gallon.

>>2334012
>all the autism
you're just asking for it.

did you know fish can't feel pain?
people that keep plants are gardeners, not aquarists?
undergravel filters are the best biofilters available?
aeration is good?
plant fertilizers and co2 poison fish and shrimp?
water changes are a trick filter manufactures use to cover the fact that their products do nothing?
that the real reason none of the saltwater posters in /aq/ stay more than few months is because that's how long it takes for their entire tank to crash and die, making all their bragging about how easy it is suddenly look very foolish?
Snails are a good source of dietary protein?
30g tanks AREN'T big?

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>>2334018
Has anyone else ever tried 3D printing with their aquariums? I love it. I'm 3d printing all of the in-tank plumbing (I wouldn't trust it to hold against leaks, too many pieces) for my Oscar's tank.

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>>2333970

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>>2334022
Ended up printing 11 sections of pipe to reach across the 4 foot tank.

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>>2334025
I love how the strainer turned out. A lot of time stuff like this has a hard time.

If anyone else is interested in 3D printing for the aquarium, remember only ABS will work. PLA dissolves/degrades in wet environments. And ONLY white ABS is acceptable, all other colors have dyes which will leech into the water.

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>>2334020
I know more than thoumst. Whomst do thoumst think thousmt are?

>>2334028
citation needemst

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My first tank, 60 gallon, 6 comets and slightly less than 8 snails. I put 8 in there to begin with but one's turned into a floater. Not sure if he's just enjoying being circulated around the tank by the filter outlet or if he dead. The internet tells me it just happens sometimes but I would still like to know what went wrong.

I tried so hard to do it properly. I bought a big enough tank I cycled the water, I added the fish gradually, got my water tested and it seemed okay.

One of the fish I bought had fin rot. I didn't notice until I got home when my fish senpai told me, so it's in a tiny bucket that is too small but it's all I had on short notice, getting medicated.

This is more distressing than I thought it would be.

>>2334032
>This is more distressing than I thought it would be.
it helps to think of your livestock as ultimately a disposable aspect of the tank that you can and will have to replace.

if you can do that. Then perhaps you can relax enough that they'll be more likely to survive.

what fish are good for swimming with and surviving outside? I have a huge pool (24ft x 15ft) thats empty right now and thought it would make an interesting thing having it as a fish tank and pool.

So also to covert i would need to dump sand into it, fill it and put water treament in it. Get snails to keep it #clean, add plants, coral and then fish?

>>2334039
where at?
>inb4 australia

>>2334039
piranha

>>2334046
cambodia. but uhh, australians hey?..

>>2334039
If it doesn't freeze at all in the winter you should be fine. Are you planning on doing salt water and do you have experience with slat water if you are?

>>2334052
he thinks he's going to be growing plants and corals in the same pit, that's not a mistake saltwater aquarists make.

>>2334053
Then he would probably want to stick to freshwater.

>>2334052
decided on neither yet, it never snows here, or reaches a "cold" temperature i guess you call it

>>2334039
Koi

>>2334059
I second this.

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>>2334039
A metric fuckton of these guys or guppies.
Jump in there and they'll probably try to eat the dead skin off you.

>>2333971
>implying proper fish keeping isn't inherently autisic

Just think about cycling

>>2334059
>>2334073
good ideas, and both are edible too if population gets too big

>>2334084
He could do tilapia, hell, feed em organic and sell them to restaurants to make some cash on the side.

Could do the same thing with bullheads/catfish.

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>>2334085

>>2334005
>hairgrass
Enjoy your carpet [spoiler] thats on top of the water because it all roots up and floats. [/spoiler]

What's the cutest fish one can keep in a 20g high?

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>>2334091
Corydoras catfish.

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Is the Black Ghost Knife Fish a meme fish or is it fun to keep? Seriously contemplating getting one.

>>2334094
It hides 98% of the time until the lights go off.

>>2333989
Can I have permission to use your photos in this wiki: http://aqfreshwater.wikia.com

>>2334102
So meme fish, got it.

>>2334103
no

>>2334110
Okay.

>>2334091
"Cute" is very subjective, but there's cories, king betta, figure 8 puffer, or upside down catfish (nigriventris, not the bigger ones).

>>2334103
Yes. That wasn't me who said no.

>>2334118
I'm not sure if I'm being trolled now or then and I don't want to use someone's photos without permission.

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>>2334123
It's me m80. Feel free to use em.

>>2334127
Thanks man.

>>2334127
>reduced fat milk

>>2334076
>implying proper fish keeping isn't inherently autisic
that's the joke. People expect normies in the second most autistic hobby on /an/

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>>2334014
I'm not too worried about it. Lots of people (myself included) have kept cories on EcoComplete before without issue.
There's also some poorly documented experiment someone did keeping cories on broken glass without issue, but I wouldn't read into that one too much.

>>2334018
Thank you.

Apparently I upset something by moving stuff, so now I'm dealing with a bacteria bloom.

>>2334193
Do you know what species of Corydoras those are? They are very pretty.

>>2334216
I think I figured it out, Millenium Corydoras (corydoras spectabilis), is that right?

>>2334217
Now I think it's a Sterba's Corydoras.

>>2334094
The way they swim is really unsettling to me. I know it's probably to meant to mimic leaves or something moving in the water, but it just reminds me of a sick or dying fish.

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>>2334216
They're Sterba's cories (C. sterbai). I've always seen them at PetSmart, but they want $11/ea for them. A local store 20 minutes away had them for $3. Hard to resist. I really like the way the LEDs in the new tank brings out the yellow on their fins.

I also have some Synodontis lucipinnis, which I think are prettier, but they hide a lot more often

>>2334235
I might have to get some myself.

>>2334237
I got mine at an auction, but they came from California Cichlids. I don't know if they ship out of state.
They seem to be really hardy and easy to feed. Just wish they didn't spook so easily. I've had them for over a year now.

Did you know that if you pop a diphenhydramine gel capsule into an fish tank and a fish swims through it, the fish will have a seizure and then die after a short while? I didn't know that. But I did it anyway, all the fish in my aquarium had a mass die off, except that fish, and I didnt want to deal with the hassle of detoxifying the aquarium and restarting, so I just netted the fish, put it in a little less than a cup of water, and then popped a gel cap into the water and watched it seizure until it died.

The whole reasoning behind it was that when I broke a cap in my mouth it completely numbed my mouth, and i figured that if the fish went numb, it would just die, I had no idea it would suffer panic like that.

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What sort of loach is this?

The pet store claimed they are zodiac loaches but I have my doubts.

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>>2334039
Snails won't really keep it "clean", especially not at that level, but they will eat some algae.
Personally, I like common goldfish. Cheap, hardy, and they get huge. They're like budget koi.

>>2334164
So what is number 1?

Does anyone know of any big fish that can be kept with nano sized fish?
I have this fantasy of doing a HUEG tank with 1 species of big fish and tons of nano fish.

>>2334290
I would imagine a species that only eats bugs or plants and isn't territorial.

Just google peacful large aquarium fish.

>>2334290
How big is "HUEG"?

The largest fish you might have luck with is a common pleco. They *can* eat small fish, but they usually don't bother if they're well fed. They also won't generally aggressively attack very small fish like they would larger ones, probably because they're not seen as threatening. I've seen a 6 foot store tank with some guppies and two 18+ inch common plecos and they didn't really seem to register that there were other fish in the tank.

Other large-ish peaceful fish include angels, keyhole cichlids, silver dollars, and pearl gourami.

No fish is 100% predictable, though. You might get unlucky and get an asshole.
Getting a fish small and letting it grow up with its tankmates would help.
Using livebearers as your nano fish (eg. least killis, swamp guppies, endlers) would mean you could potentially repopulate the nano fish faster than a slightly aggressive tankmate could eat them.

>>2334290
Aquarium co op dude keeps a mbu? Puffer with lots of small fish. They're bro tier.

>>2334076
What does this even mean? I feel like people just use autistic to replace every adjective in the english language on this board.

>>2334441
it means according to normies, you're basically a weirdo if you actually care about the life of a fish instead of letting die in like a month so you can replace it, let alone doing all kinda of things such as aquascaping, making biotopes, and anything more that slapping a goldfish in a bowl of a betta in a vase with gravel.

Fish are considered the most expendable decoration

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Welp...Sinbad still has not gotten used to the ten gallon with the cories. I think it isn't his reflection that's bothering him (held a mirror up and he acted completely different), but I think he might be scared.

Scared of the cories swimming around, or because there isn't much coverage as far as plants, I don't know.

On the good news side of it, he was much more responsive towards me today and not completely obsessed with swimming back and forth non-stop. Though now he has gone back to pacing.

I think I'm going to give it one more day...he paced his bowl quite a bit when I first got him and calmed down after a few days...I'm really hoping he will still calm down, but I don't want him to get sick.

I'm going back to town today to see if the local pet shop has any more plants and maybe a bit more cover will make him feel better.

>>2334458
Yes more plants that are tall can help. Especially floating plants. If you can get elodea or hornwort that might help by floating it. I also find both of those in the lake near my house.

Well looks like I'm back in the hobby again and not for the reasons I wanna be. We took in a betta someone was giving away it came in one of those shitty ezcare habitats that are only a half gallon with no filter or heater. I bought a heater today and would of bought a new set up if it wasn't for the fact we have 500$ in bills due. I'll post pics when I get home.

>>2334090
hairgrass doesn't do this?

>>2334502
But it does.

Had a bunch of it in a eco complete tank with high lighting co2 and all sorts of ferts. It would occasionally grow a runner out above the substrate which eventually just breaks off and flots, so id replant it. Then the plant itself would just in small pieces float up and id have to plant that again. Repeat this daily for 3 months until i just toss it.

So I've been thinking about doing a 5 gallon Asian themed tank. My centerpiece fish was going to be a male betta rubra. Do you guys have any recommendations for tank mates?

>>2334546
In a 5 gallon? Some shrimp or snails.

>>2334441
in addition to what anon said here
>>2334450
there's the fact that things like cycling are very complex and there's a 90% or better chance people are doing it wrong.

autistic types tend to be OCD, very detail oriented and precise. Keeping fish requires that kind of attention to detail.
>>2334264
collecting pictures of extinct animals.

REEEEEEEE MY BICHIR PULLED UP TO OF MY CLAY ROOT TABS AND GOT EM EVERYWHERE AND HES STILL TRYING TO FIND ME TO EAT REEEEE THEYRE BURIED 2.5 INCHES DEEP REEEEEEEE!!!!!

how big of an aquarium should i get for something like firefly squid?

>>2334572
REEEEE TWO ROOT TABS AND HES STILL LOOKING FOR ME REEEEE HES WELL FED AND SHOULD BE NO REASON FOR THIS BEHAVIOR

>>2334573
hi

>>2334572
at least 1000 gallons long.
preferably 20,000 gallons and long.

>>2334571
>>2334573
Auto correct keeps changing more to me

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>>2334579
>correcting spelling in your shitposts

>>2334254
Your first mistake was assuming mammals and fish would have the same biochemistry.

>>2334254
It also killed all of the beneficial bacteria.

>>2334586
how would it do that when anon took the fish out of the tank to administer the dose?

unless he dumped it back in the tank. But even then that's probably impossible since diphenhydramine has no known antibiotic activity at that kind of concentration.

>>2334255
Pic related is a zodiac loach, which doesn't look a lot like your picture.

Maybe this? http://www.loaches.com/species-index/glaniopsis-multiradiata

It has the closest markings of any of the loaches I just spent half an hour staring at to try to help you.

The only thing that makes me doubt it is that thicker band that runs laterally along the fish and the more pronounced spots on the tail and dorsal fin of the one you posted.

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>>2334592
forgot my pic

Just got a 13 gallon, 24 x 8 x 16
What can I stock this with?

>>2334596
Not much, you might try
Bettas
Smaller species of corydoras catfish
Very small minnows and guppies.
But if it was me I'd with shrimp. They are easy to care for, aren't very messy(don't foul the water quickly), and are fun to watch. 13 gallons also isn't borderline abuse for shrimp like it is every other fish you could ever get.

>>2334290
get an arapaima

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>>2334487
Alright here the bastard is, I think he might have dropsy which is annoying, but I'm not surprised with how shit his conditions were. I got him moved into a two gallon water cooler for now. Hopefully we can get him into a 75gallon later this month when my tax return comes in. That is if his dropsy starts clearing up.

>>2334290
Get a giant gourami maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC-jD4SUXR0

>>2333978
>delhezi

What, did your grandma really just fish it outta' your aquarium?

>>2334596
Seconding bettas and shrimp. Your options are very, very slim, but the coolest options for fish are are CPDs, bettas, and pea puffers. Shrimp are cool as hell too in a small planted tank. Google ten gallon stocking list for more.

>>2334588
He said he put it in the tank and the other one in a cup.

>>2334588
He dropped one in his tank, too. Everything died except one fish, which he had to kill off by hand. Dick/retard move regardless.

>>2334617
>>2334618
that's not what he said.

>>2334621
I'll break it down for you.
>Did you know that if you pop a diphenhydramine gel capsule into a fish tank
He said he dropped it into the tank.
>I didnt want to deal with the hassle of detoxifying the aquarium and restarting, so I just netted the fish, put it in a little less than a cup of water
He didn't want to deal with making the tank livable again for the single fish that survived, so he killed the remaining one in a separate cup.

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What the fucks this nasty shit on top of my tank water? I suck it up when I do water changes but it always comes back. Every time. Doesn't seem to hurt the fish at all, it's just gross and oily. Ignore the tacky tank ornaments.

>>2334627
he didn't say that the tank die-off was caused by putting it in the tank. He said he had a die-off (unknown reasons) and had one fish left. He didn't want to poison that fish in the tank so he removed it and dosed it.

his statement that putting it in the tank will kill fish is conjecture based on how it affected the fish in the cup.

>>2334628
organic shit, probably algae and bacteria feeding on the nutrients in your water.

all tanks would have it except for the fact that most people use filters and bubblers to disrupt the surface and prevent biofilms from forming.

>>2334479
>>2334458

Update

After coming back home I found him laying on the bottom acting lethargic. He got up when I came up to the glass but started swimming frantically at the back of the tank again. The bottom of his pace was paling, and some of his back fins are torn. I don't know if he tore them on the oyster shells or bit them off himself.

So, while at the petshop I had gotten two new plants (sword and something else) and four cherry shrimp. I was planning on putting the small plant from the ten gallon into the bowl with the cherry shrimp, but after seeing how he was acting, I moved him back to the bowl with both plants and put the cherries in with the cory.

He is pacing a little but also exploring his bowl, and trying to catch two baby guppies that hitched a ride with the cherries. They're too fast for him, but it's giving him some entertainment at least, and when they get a bit bigger, the petshop owner said I can just bring them back.

So yea...attempt at more space has failed, and at this point I'm not going to try that again until I have a very heavily planted tank with a lot of cover and some pipe caves or something.

>>2334601
>>2334616

Would shell dwellers be out of the question?

Was originally thinking of a King Betta/Giant Plakat & some cherry shrimp. Been looking into small species of cichlids. Was thinking like 2 rams(until I read more on them), but then stumbled on those guys. Anyone here have experience with them?

>>2334631
Holy shit just get over it and shit the fuck up.

>>2334638
I'm not the one making a thing of it.
that would be the morons trying to correct me.

like you for instance.

why would you intentionally kill your own fish?
are you some sort of gay marxoid millennial cuck?
why would you do such a thing?

>>2333978
is she from a third world shithole not used to having food?

>>2334441
it means you have to pay attention to details. normalfags have such shit attention spans that anything else seems autistic

>>2334127
charge your damn phone

>>2334657
It's already dead

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>>2334520
just because you can't do it doesn't mean it always happens. you have to maintain it by trimming it. I can't find a picture of my hairgrass tank I had years ago but here's my 60p from 5 years ago to prove I'm not talking out my ass

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>>2334670
I'll just post some more pictures of my tanks I guess.

this is rotala gia lai. It had been in the hobby for a few months when I acquired it

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>>2334673
some buces when they were like 50-100 dollars a stem. I think there's some rare crypts too. Not sure. Just going to post the ones I think might be interesting from the thumbnail.

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>>2334675
A low light tank. I think I had a lot of catfish in this tank which explains the petri dish. not totally sure. Also a 60p.

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>>2334676
my collection tank. had some rareties (at the time). I think some have gone totally extinct in the hobby.

like:
limno sp. 'sulawesi'
hygro 'tiger'
staurogyne 'bihar'
hygrophila odofera
l. verticellata 'cuba'
s. 'porto velho'
h. 'araguia' (very very hot back then thanks to tom bar. I farmed it emersed for $$$)

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>>2334677
looks like this is an earlier picture of the tank. Here's a good one showing how I used to farm emersed. The key is wet, soaking soil with a surface that has good aeration/limited water pooling. I would use a potting soil base with 1/2"-1" sphagnum moss for planting with 100% humidity and CFLs.

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>>2334680
Went to college and had to downgrade everything. My spec V I kept in the dorm. Low light + CO2 and an autodoser. Basically 0 maintenance and 0 headache. Autdoser helped me remember to give it weekly flourish/npk and CO2 kept algae away.

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>>2334683
Now that I've graduated here's my current set up. Gone gonzo with this tank. It's its 4th week of life right now so it's chock full of diatoms and kind of ugly. But in 2-3 weeks it should evolve past the algae phase and enter stability. 20 amano shrimp are also working on it.

>all these gorgeous planted tanks
>stuffed full of ugly equipment
Why not build a sump to put your crap in, /aq/?
are you guys just hoping the plants grow up and hide the junk?

>>2334689
sumps are hard to use with CO2 without very high operating cost. The water in the downcomers mixes too much and lets CO2 out. I used ugly gear in highschool because I was a poorfag spending all his money on plants and not gear. New tank has all glass in/out flows.

>>2334694
makes sense. Though it seems you'd have the same problem with any filter you could use.

>>2334653
Americans.

>>2334697
Nah. Canisters are good. They don't really agitate the water's surface much. HOBs are okay too but you will use more CO2 to compensate for the waterfall effect.

Now imagine the overflow of a sump. It's like 3-4' drop from the tank as a thin sheet of water into the sump. It will basically completely degas the water depending on how fast your return is. You can do CO2 with a sump. It just takes a lot more gas and tweaking to compensate the degas.

Any corydoras that can live in water with a ph greater than 7.5 or if not what can i do to lower it

>>2334719
Any of the common ones will be fine up to about pH 8.
bronze cory
salt and pepper
panda

Just keep the tank extra clean and well oxygenated as being the the wrong pH weakens the fish's immune system from osmotic stress.

>>2334628
Bio-film.
It is mostly comprised of waste from your bacterial colony. Usually a sign of a healthy bacteria bloom. If you don't like it or need to improve gas exchange, get a skimmer. Oddysea makes some nice ones aat a decent price.

>>2334628
bacteria my amigo almost everyone gets it. Increase surface agitation.

you fish-killing nigger cuck, you degenerate, you derelict, you fucking evolutionary dead-end, you genetic mistake, die in a bus fire, die in a river, die from getting raped by a pack of angry niggers with big fat cocks full of aids
burn in hell forever

>>2334720
Thanks anon

>>2334724
Also, another trick I use is hydrogen peroxide in a spray bottle. Spray it evenly across the surface. Breaks up the biofilm before oxidizing. Use it up to two times a day for as long as it takes.

>get into aquariums a couple of years ago
>start with 1 tank
>keep adding more tanks until i reach 7
>cant be assed to do maintenance anymore

It's not fun anymore

>>2334736
Gotta manage that multiple tank syndrome bruh. I almost ruined a marriage over that shit. Haha

>>2334736
I feel you, but I made things easier on myself and moved my tank to the basement. It has a drain in it for the washer and makes water changes a fucking dream.

>>2334737
>I almost ruined a marriage over that shit

what happened

>>2334688
Is that a beamswork?

REEEE green hair algae growing on rocks and some grayish black staghorn algae growing on plants. 3 day black out and 15% daily water changes till I win. Hydrogen peroxide and manually removal if it gets out of hand.

>>2334635
If you mean shell-dwellers by those african cichlids, then yes, you will never keep them in a tank that small.

Literally no cichlid will fit in a 13 gallon, you are very, very limited in your choices. 2 Rams need a 55 gallon my dude.

I would say a betta AND shrimp is pushing it. Pick one or get a bigger tank, those are really your only options, sorry.

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>>2334592
Yeah the guys at the pet store insisted it was zodiac loach, but was simply fatter and had different markings.

Thanks a bunch for the pointer btw. il keep looking too. Anyone else know what this loach is?

>>2334255
>>2334256

>>2334742
Wife got tired of me rinsing substrate out in the bathtub, having so many chemicals around the children (even though they were locked up and out of reach), constant purchase of gear, etc.

Keep in mind i had 30 tanks in my fish room. (The basement)

I was breeding for local fish stores.

>>2334751
Women don't get annoyed by it. They just don't like men having hobbies.

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>>2334750
This site can be helpful, and it's hard to tell some of the body shape from those pictures. You may have some luck looking for yourself:
http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pictorial-species-search-index

It is not the definitive loach identification guide or anything close to it though.

My other guess would be (pic related) Garra congoensis based on shape and vaguely similar coloration.

Alternatively it may be some kind of chinese algae eater, but I can't tell what it's mouth is like for sure from your pictures.
http://www.thekrib.com/Fish/Algae-Eaters/

>>2334635
Neolamprologus multifasciatus is frequently recommended for 10 gallon tanks, but generally only as a single male/female pair or a m/f/f trio. You're working with about the same footprint as a standard ten gallon, so shellies are fine, but you should stick to just a pair or trio, and there isn't much else you could put in there with them.

>>2334628
Generally it's referred to as protein film.
You can pick it up with a fish net or a paper towel. Really simple. It usually goes away on its own after a while.

>>2334750
Does it "hop" around the bottom?

>>2334759
I take back the guess of G. Congoensis.
The head is completely different.

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>>2334750
I think I found your loach.
http://www.loaches.com/species-index/mesonoemacheilus-guentheri

>Mesonoemacheilus guentheri will sometimes arrive as contaminants with shipments of M. triangularis (Zodiac Loach), but some Loach-specialist stores often order these specifically in large groups. Local markings variations will be found as these loaches come from various rivers in the Nilgiris Hills. This range is at the junction of the eastern and western Ghats mountain ranges in India.

>>2334751
Unless you were wasting your house income, your wife kind of sounds like a bitch anon.

As long as my husband was helping with the kids and bills, I would love it if he had a hobby like that, especially if he was making himself a little profit too.

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>>2334769
YES, that looks just like it. Thank you so much. You didn't have to work so hard to help me identify that but you did. If it exists, i try to send good karma your way.

>>2334743
twinstar rgb LED

>>2334775
Sometimes you just need something to direct your autism at.

Plus, somebody has to make decent posts in /aq/.

>>2334777
Ahh okay. Quite expensive. On a quest to find a cheap but plant worth led for my 5 and 10 gallon plant/breeding tank.

>>2334777
Why the green LEDs on a plant light?

>>2334779
The light I'm using here >>2334005 is a Beamswork and I've been happy with it so far. I forget exactly which model it is (it was a gift), but I think it's amazon.com/dp/B01FVNPZMI/

>>2334781
The way plant proteins work is that they can actually absorb all wavelengths of visible light! The studies showing the spikes with Chlorophyll a, b and xanthophyl and stuff are just the pigments and do not account for the alteration in electronic structure caused by coordination with proteins. But that is a digressing.

The real reason is that it makes the green plants look more "green". Just like how having blue light makes things blue and red light makes things more red.

>>2334779
When I was a broke college student I used CFL bulbs in 6500K. They are awesome. Good brightness, cheap (just use a desk lamp. you can get really slick looking ones for like 20 bucks), and excellent color rendition. Also you can adjust your wattage easily. I think a 9w CFL is plenty for a 5g tank. You might have to get tall desk lamp to keep you out of high light. 2x9w is good for a 10g and will give you better coverage. If you get a brooder lamp from home depot and suspend it somehow (I used to build scaffolding with PVC pipe) a single 26W bulb will do you well.

>>2334005
>>2334781

Looks good. How often do you do water changes? Water looks a little dingy but sometimes you can't avoid it when you have plants. I use purigen + carbon in my planted tanks. I think the whole "losing nutrients" is a myth. ADA literally ships their 500 dollar canisters with a huge sack of bamboo carbon.

>>2334785
I may go for the CFLs. I have some clip on work lights. The tanks under my 60s stand so no one is going to see them.

>>2334654
>>2334614
Yes we're from a little village in China. She ate my full grown Oscar as well.

Do any of you spergs actually go to fish and aquascape conventions like aquatic experience

>>2334761
Still looking into it, but how many gph should I go for in a filter for those guys?

>>2333978

Please take more sunfish. Most lakes are totally overpopulated with them. But there's a special place in hell for people poaching game fish with bag and size limits.

>>2334796
Most are too far from me

>>2334800
Same here, I'd love to but the wife wouldn't be down for plane tickets to see fish.

>>2334688
How is your experience with a full spectrum LED fixture like that? I know plants prefer red, but does having the green and blue boost from what you've seen? Or is it purely aesthetic for purposes of having a natural color of light? At the risk of asking too many questions for one post, what wattages have worked best for you?

>>2334796
I go diving instead. All the fish, half the glass.

>>2334745
Lower your light exposure time and either increase or decrease your co2 you dumb fuck.

>>2334809
Already stated that m80. Don't dose co2 in this low tech.

>>2334834
He's cute!

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>>2334787
Thanks.
It's still relatively new, and I used a soil bottom layer, so the nitrates climb pretty quickly. I've been doing water changes once or twice a week (or whenever I have time) to try and keep them under 40.

>Water looks a little dingy
I upset something during the last water change when I was fiddling with the canister filter and triggered a bacteria bloom. It got crazy cloudy right after I took that picture, but it's starting to clear up now.

I just placed an order for some Purigen. I don't think carbon will offer anything the Purigen won't.
Apparently activated carbon can have properties are different depending on its source (eg. coal, bamboo, coconut), but I don't know about the specifics.

>>2334854
damn thats such a nice tank cant wait to see it grown out

>>2334688
Respect anon. Nice work

>>2334796
I just go to the local-ish (90 minute drive) one. They meet once a month and have a guest speaker and an auction. Every once in a while someone will bring some neat plants or the guest speaker will bring some interesting fish from an expedition.

>>2334797
About 10x the tank's volume, but having lots of biological media does more good than high flow ime.

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why are you all so autistic jesus

>>2334854

I want this so bad. Is that an entire trunk in there, with plants growing out of the middle?

My tank isn't nearly as nice it's my first attempt and its only had fish in it for a week but I like it anyway.

>>2334907
>why are you all autistic

Welcome to /AQG/. Each thread will degrade into arguments over pretty much anything. The last few have been over sources and Saltwater fish. If you have a question it's best to get in this general before the first 100-150 posts. Expect your post to get hit in the autistic crossfire soon after that.

>>2334670
>(You)
I literally trim it, replant it, have two LEDs on my tank, give it literally every seachem fert except iron because im out and co2. Theres literally nothing else for me to do with it. All it does is just float up in small 3-5 blade pieces it never ever has rooted, ive already tried 5 separate times to grow it.

Another betta dead :(

I don't know why they keep dying

>>2334993
Because they are shit tier Intro to Fishkeeping fish.

lmao dude lets just take perfectly healthy fish out of a tank and then brutally murder them with high-grade neurotoxins haha
fish life has no value whatsoever amirite haha

>>2335003
I'm on board.

>inb4 fish-in cycling meme

Wow love waking up to a neon tetra missing every single day :) wow! From 20 to 9!

>>2335006
You are overstocked huehuehue

Quit killing fish RRRREEEEEEEEE

>>2334993
A lot of popular aquarium fish (bettas, neons, dwarf gourami) are really badly inbred through farms at this point, so they have a lot of underlying genetic issues that aren't easy to pick out when they're in the store.
What size tank is it for? If you're tired of trying bettas you could get something else.

>>2335007
In all seriousness they're in a 60 gallon with great chicken parms.

>>2335010
Huh. I think maybe the marinara sauce could be playing with your pH. Quick, stop feeding for like, a week. Things should mellow out. Your chicken parm should be happy and healthy and no more dead tetras.

>>2334993
What are you keeping them in?

>>2335009
It's a 10 gallon

>>2335013

>>2335015
Maybe see if you can find sparkling gourami instead. I've had better luck with them than bettas. A 10 gallon would be good for a trio, maybe two trios.
A single honey gourami could also work, or a pair, if you can find someone offering females

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>>2335015
>>2335021
Or you can look for a Betta imbellis. They don't have as much flare as B. splendens, but they're more peaceful and they aren't bred on a mass scale.

>>2335021
I do like gouramis, I currently have an pearl gourami and hes great. I think I might just finally start the goldfish tank I've wanted to start for a while, give my 10 gallon away or something.


>>2335023
Problem is I live in the middle of nowhere so I can't find much, common pet shop fish only. Most places won't deliver to me or if they do it costs so much.

>>2335035
See if your local store will let you piggyback off one of their shipments or just order for you?

>>2334803
I think the color rendition is good which is aesthetic. Not sure how much it affects growth. In my experience any spectrum will grow plants a long as the light is bright enough. Just find what looks good to you and what is bright enough for your budget.

Wattage depends on what size your tank is. When I started around the mid 2000s everyone measured it by watts per gallon and watts per square inch of tank. Now that was deemed inaccurate but I think it's a good way to ballpark.

For your average low/med light tank (average rectangular prism type shape) you should be aiming for around 1W of LED or CFL per gallon (WPG). High-light has always started at about 2WPG for me. The way I normally judge a the light is normally by eye though in a heuristic type way:
1. If there are corners or sides of the tank that are clearly dimmer I don't have enough light coverage
2. If, when all the other lights in the room are turned off the tank seems kind of dim(think cloudy day before it rains) I'm probably around low-med light.
3. If it is bright as summer noon sun I am high light or even too bright. Your tank should look like the bottom of a creek or pond on a partially cloudy noon sun.

But in the end it's best to just get a color of light you like. At a reasonable wattage (~1-2 watts per gallon of water). And adjust the height of the light fixture until you have good plant growth. It is almost always better to start DIMMER and work your way brighter until you get growth you like without algae. The reverse will cause problems.

>>2335116
I would also add to watch your plants. Your plants will tell you what they need better than some faceless faggot that masturbates to anime girls.

Watch the spacing in between the leaves. If they look kind of leggy up the light. If you are getting algae, tone it back. Work in increments, and not jumps. Remember to fertilize at least potassium + microelements.

I hope you good luck. It was frustrating when I started. I had a fuck ton of staghorn and bba. When I was in high school I lacked patients and didn't let my tanks evolve naturally. I kept trying to chemically correct what could only be fixed with time. When I was in college I literally didn't have time to obsess over my tank but surprisingly I had less algae and less headache. The same philosophy is working for me now.

>>2334953
Don't replant it it should spread naturally. Unless you mean you snip off runners and replant them? Mow it like your lawn. If it is detaching it might be growing too thick and the lower parts start to die. Mow down like 60% of the height. Be aggressive with it. I know the people at my LFS have a hairgrass tank that's been continuously set up like that for at least 5 years.

Also what substrate are you using? It grows best in softer substrates like aquasoil and sand.

>>2335129
Different anon, but would an Oscar fuck with hair grass? I only have enough money/space to run one large aquarium and it's already occupied by an oscar. I've always wanted to do the long grass-like foliage aquariums where it waves back and forth.

If it matters, my Oscar leaves plants alone for the most part, the only plant he's ever ripped up was my amazon sword and that was like 20 minutes after it was added to his aquarium. Mind, he's only four months old so I don't know if that is a behavior which becomes more pronounced with age in Oscars.

>>2335157
Oscars will unintentionally tear it up.

>>2335157
I think Oscars have a tendency to kick up substrate and move it around especially once they get bigger. The only plants I see widely suggested for them are epiphytes and floaters.
Alsp, the comment dwarf hairgrass types only get 4-6 inches tall, so probably not big enough for the look you're talking about. If you can get some giant hairgrass or jungle val to get well established roots before the Oscar screws with it too much, that might work.

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>>2335170
I'm 3D printing a "grass box" (pic related) for the entirety of the bottom of my tank, I was wondering if I get a "pad" of grass and place it under the box if that would prevent him from getting too wild with it.

The box is flipped upside down for ease of printing, but it would stand on the little legs and hold rocks about an inch off the bottom. I plan to run my in tank plumbing underneath it, and my theory is that it will help a lot with nitrate buildup as when I had the Oscar in the 20 gallon, the nitrates were almost impossible to keep under control (I understand the tank was overstocked, but nitrates often got higher than what I would expect to see from an overstocked tank). I figure if water can flow freely beneath my large rocks then there will be less buildup as I have more or less removed the dead food getting buried in substrate.

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>>2335170
Also, thank you for the tip on dwarf hairgrass, that is what I would have been buying. Now I just need to source the Giant Hairgrass/Jungle Val

>>2335178
It's doable but I question how good the water circulation will be down there. Plants really need it or they will get covered in algae. I've never kept big fish like oscars indoors so I can't really give you first hand experience. I will say that hairgrass is pretty unhappy with being uprooted and dirty.

I think fast growing valisneria or large saggitaria would be more hardy. I know at my local zoo they have tank full of pacu and piranha with huge native saggitaria that can take their beating.

I think the species is S. platyphyla. They also use a lot of potamogeton which is also another US native plant that's very weedy and hardy.

>>2335187
I plan to run a powerhead that pulls from underneath the boxes and outputs the water midtank. Do you think it would be better to have water being pulled from above and expelled underneath?

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>>2335189
>>2335187
here's a picture of what I have set up now, Imagine 3 more powerheads on the right tank wall that pull from the left side of the tank.

Eventually I plan to run a can filter as well, but money is tight.

The HOB is only temporary and will be going to a smaller tank in the future.

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>>2335193
Picture of the Intake end, it's hard to get a decent photo of a 4 foot tank.

>>2335185
I gave you advice first. I'm highly offended.

>>2335196
Sorry anon, my autism compelled me to respond only to the lengthy response. The doctors say I'm a lost cause.

>>2335194
I'm guessing the grate will just go over the hairgrass like they put netting over strawberries to keep birds out? I suppose it could work. But in a high nutrient environment like an oscar tank and less than great lighting you will probably be pretty frustrated with the growth you get in hair grass. But you never know some tanks will surprise you with what they will grow. you could just try putting in some terracotta pots with sand and root tabs and put some hair grass in there first to see if it will thrive in your tank first before you go full scale.

>>2335197
It's not okay this time around. I'm coming to take your tank away.

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>>2335198
Yes, the strawberry netting is exactly what I intend to happen with this.

I plan to do decent lighting, I went above a 20 gallon for the first time with this tank so I need to accumulate gear again over time.

Would those track light LEDs that they sell at pet stores be decent for plant growth? (pic related, I have one of the small Elives and kind of like the interchangeable LEDs in it).

>>2335202
What are the tanks dimensions? Is it 48x12x24?

>>2335204
Yes, exactly.

>>2335204
I'm guessing the LEDs may have some issues penetrating 24" of water?

>>2335205
It will be kind of hard getting enough light at those depths. Especially with those track lights. I have the same tank with a finnex planted+ 24/7 and it won't grow hair grass and my dwarf sag hasn't grown more than an inch in 2 months.

>>2335209
I would agree with this guy's first hand experience.

If you want a little more light consider just going fluorescent. Everyone's caught up in this LED crazy but people have been growing beautiful planted tanks with fluorescent bulbs since the 70s. I think a 1 bulb T5HO or 4 bulb T8 fixture with good reflectors will be fine.

>>2335209
But it can grown alterna reineckii no problem which requires more light so that's my experience. I use ru tabs from eBay and two inches Eco complete. Plant wise vals, Madagascar lace, boivianus, lots of crypts, cyperus helferi, dwarf lily, crinum calamistratum, alterna reineckii, and I think that's it. That all grows great with just the single finnex. Two would probably get me closer to high light.

>>2335209
Well keep in mind that the little boxes hold the bottom layer of the tank up about 2 inches, but I appreciate your input. Would it be better to do 2 sets of 24" bulbs or one long 48"? Cost is the main factor here.

>>2335214
My experience is that reineckii is a lower light plant than DHG. While the latter will survive in dim conditions for a very long time it doesn't really get crazy like you see in those catalogs without high light and CO2. Honestly, if you are happy with your light now, I'd just get another finnex that can dim. Go with what you trust. That will make you happiest and be less frustrating. That way you can work your lighting up until you get growth you like.

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>>2335217
How important is CO2 in a planted tank? I'm guessing an oscar and the occasional live shrimp won't produce enough to cover a 48x12 inch space.

Will I be completely unsuccessful without CO2 if I'm going for the grass carpet look? I hate buying things like filters (I use bioballs whenever possible) and other "disposable" products for the aquarium.

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>>2335215
I think a single fixture will be cheapest. EVEN cheaper, if you're handy, and it looks like you are. Would be to rig up a DiY CFL set up. Make some type of frame to suspend like 3-4 shop lamps like pic related. You can then just buy CFL bulbs in 6500K at whatever wattage to get exactly the right amount of light. It'd be like a sub $100 project too.

I made a scaffold of PVC pipe and spray painted everything with krylon fusion black spray paint. It looked fine. The picture is not my picture but it'll give you an idea with what I'm talking about.

>>2335222
Every planted aquarium, low light to high light benefits from CO2. It is not mandatory below a certain amount of light. But to get nice thick grassy carpets without algae it is pretty much a requirement, especially with eleocharis. Saggittaria is less fussy and will carpet better without CO2.

>>2335223
Nice, I do home remodeling for a living so I have ready access to everything to do that.

Kind of different topic here, but is a spray bar useless for freshwater? I,d like to do one on the exhaust from my future canister filter. My friend/neighbor wants to set up a saltwater aquarium in the coming months and I'd like to test out some of the techniques myself before I help him build his shit. I know they don't work correctly in freshwater but I'd also like to try fabricating a protein skimmer.

>>2335225
Is CO2 something I can add in the beginning and taper off as I get to the result I want or is the continued addition of CO2 necessary to maintain the plants for their entire lives?

My Lyretail molly and betta are living harmoniously :,)

>>2335230
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>2335228
>I know they don't work correctly in freshwater but I'd also like to try fabricating a protein skimmer.
they can work in fresh water. It just has to be pretty dirty.

I make them out of 2 liter bottles. Now they're practically free on ebay though.

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>>2335231
Betta doesn't even care about Cyclops(molly is missing an eye, bought him like that).

>>2335233
I've been watching them for the past hour and they come almost close enough to touch but nothing happens.

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>>2335232
Yeah but I've got a $900 3D printer that I need to use constantly to justify the purchase to my wife.

Thinking about doing something like pic related.

Does anybody know of any spray paints or other ways to color things that are aquarium safe?

>>2335236
Krylon fusion after a full cure is supposed to be aquarium safe.
>>2335229
No idea. I've only ever used CO2 continuously. When my tanks run out and I'm lazy I get algae though but that's with high light.
>>2335228
Neat I'm building one too for my koi pond. All the same principles just on a huge scale. Ordered 3 huge air stones from pentair. I'm going to try to passively skim first (just an uplift tube) but when I get time to do some calculations I'm going to build a countercurrent system.

And just like the other anon said, the protein skimmer works best in water with lots of waste in it or in saltwater where the surface tension properties have been modified.

>>2335236
I'm not even sure what I'm looking at there.
I don't think it's a protein skimmer though.

>>2335129
Im usingh a mix of roughly 70% eco complete and 30% medium gravel. When i say replant im talking about literally every single little piece just refuses to root in and just floats up to the top at some point. Regardless of how its planted, also i already ahve and dose pretty much every seachem product but iron since i dont have any of that anymore. I also have what id consider high light 2x finnex 24/7 planted plus on a 40 breeder. Ive already spent roughly 300+ on supplies on my various attempts to get a carpet of it. Im going to stop trying for a carpet on this tank after all of it dies.

>>2335242
I see. Not sure what's wrong then. I wish I had pictures to show you how I do it. Sorry I don't really have anything to add.

>>2335244
I should add my 4 dojo loaches certainly dont help it but theres no way they could be uprooting it as quickly as it does get uprooted, it would have to be near intentional behhavior.

>>2335209
>>2335213
>>2335217
Keep in mind that he isn't talking about growing dwarf hairgrass. Giant hairgrass and especially jungle val are lower light plants than DHG.

>>2335178
There are a couple issues I can see with the plan. It's going to be very difficult to rearrange anything once the grate is in place. If you put anything on top of the grate (to keep the aesthetics consistent), it's going to block light going to runners, and the plants may have a difficult time growing through whatever your upper substrate is. It's also going to be very difficult to move the grass box at all once the plants have grown around it.

>>2335189
Get some reversible powerheads and have them pull from underneath the boxes for regular day-to-day, then reverse them during water changes to blow out build-ups of organics under the grate.

>>2335222
If you aren't going to get pressurized CO2, a bubbler (or one of those bubbler attachments on your powerhead) would help put CO2 from the atmosphere into the tank. It's not going to work nearly as well as a dedicated setup, but IME it works better than nothing.

Hairgrass can still carpet without CO2 injection, but it grows differently. Giant hairgrass isn't actually very popular in the hobby, though, so it's hard to say how it would react, but if you do an image search for "iwagumi hairgrass" and "low tech hairgrass," you'll see the difference between carpeting with CO2 and without.
With a good substrate, vals will grow dense and lush with or without CO2. Just don't use liquid carbon supplements like Seachem Excel.

>>2335228
>is a spray bar useless for freshwater?
It'll distribute the filter output for a more even, gentler flow throughout the tank. If it's placed at the water's surface, it'll also increase surface agitation, which discourages protein film building on top of the water and increases oxygenation. If you're using it with CO2 injection, it'll probably offgas some of the CO2 you're putting into the tank.
Whether or not all of that is good or bad depends on what you're trying to do.

>>2335233
Why do you never post full tank shots?

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Just set up this 30. gonna get some drift wood for it tomorrow. The fake stuff is just to make it look less barren for now

>>2335253
>why do you never post full tank shots
Because my aquascaping skills aren't the best and it embarasses me. I'm surprised you know its the same person lul

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>>2335223
Hey I took your advice, I'm out of Black Spray paint right now though and I want to wait to get the scaffold "finished" until I actually have the lighting.

>>2335249
I'm trying to eliminate the substrate in my tank, I'm doing large rocks on top of the grating I'm printing. Is growing Giant Hair Grass going to be infeasible with those parameters?

>>2335249
Sorry for double posting, wanted to address the rest of your advice.

The grating should be "easy" to remove as it consists of 6"x6" squares. I tried to make it so that I could easily remove just the sections I needed to address, while still being easy to breakdown the tank for more in depth maintenance. Is there something I'm not thinking about here that you know from experience or something?

I have never heard of reversible powerheads, do you know of any good brands or would Penguin have what I need? (I generally buy Penguin powerheads as they are cheapish and I have not needed anything with a lot of output before)

When you say using atmospheric CO2, are you talking about using an air pump that's run to the powerhead's 1/4 inch attachment point on the exhaust? I have that running right now. I plan to use 3-4 powerheads in this tank. DO you think that would be enough for Giant Hair Grass? I realize CO2 would be my best option but I'd like to avoid recurring expenses if at all possible.

>>2335253
Thanks, that's what I was thinking. I'm generally not happy unless the entire surface of my tank is "broken".

I realize Oscars are generally "slow water" fish, but mine seems to really enjoy swimming against the powerhead's output. Is it safe(ish) to assume that he would tolerate some degree of current in his tank?

Ideally all intake would occur on one end of the tank and all output would occur at the other end. Am I setting myself up for disaster or is this a sound idea?

>>2335343
They'll build muscle

cherry shrimps are dying in 0/0/5 parameters, what do i do

>>2335377
Tank size?

>>2335377
Also what's in the tank? Temp fluctuations at all?

>>2335377
Have they ever molted since you've had them?

>>2335377
Can you eat them?

>>2335377
Many shrimp guys say shrimp don't like there water to be changed very much. Some even suggesting a 10% water change throughout slowly over a month. They like stable parameters. Clean water is good but stability is best.

>>2335194
Nigga are you supporting that aquarium with plastic crates?

>>2335480
it's fine, plastic milk crates were designed to hold hundreds of pounds of glass and liquid.

>>2335487
Well I suppose I should acquire some milk crates

>>2335490
It's also in his living space

>>2335493
And? Why does it matter how I choose to live if I'm happy?

Actually let's not go into this because I think this might just be bait.

>>2335493
Looks more like a garage type area, just let the man and his fish be happy, okay?

>>2335495
>>2335498
Nothing. Just looks dirty for a living room.

Is there anyway to cleanot my shrimp tank without killing them? I've just got them and there's these really thin looming white worms on the glass. I've looked it up and it says itshe caused by overfeeding which is weird because there's only algae in it

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i think my f. pearl gourami is allergic to something in the plant fertilizer 3 scales have fallen off the spine, head and just above the lat line since i added it to my tank. i'm going to take a water sample to the fish store and then transfer her to the 20 gallon tank

I don't think its the water seeing as the macrotinculus are doing fine or any documented aquarium disease other than maybe hole in the head which rarely affects them... which leads to my recent rearrangement of the ornaments to blame.
does anyone have any experience with sudden appearing sores on their fish? or alternatives to melafix for labyrinth fish? I really like this fish and would hate for her to get sicker if i can prevent it.
Thanks again.

55g heavily planted finished cycling last night

rolling to stock fish around these:

0-2 neon tetras
3-5 serpae tetras
6-8 burmese rummynoses
9 ???

>>2335617
Can't really do anything other than say that's too small for a fish and make sure I don't make the same mistake.

>>2335617
>>2335755
Just some nigger from another board.

so, i'm fairly new here but i've checked out these threads sometimes. where do you guys get your tanks and other gear? i've been interested in getting into it, but i don't know of any other place besides like petsmart when it comes to buying a tank

>>2335775
Petco is having a dollar per gallon sale soon if I'm not mistaken. Beside that I use eBay or Craigslist

>>2335775
Local ma and pop shops, Craigslist, eBay, Amazon and chain stores. There's no cheap place unless you learn to build everything yourself.

>>2335815
yeah, i'm not really looking for a cheap place, i was just curious as to where you guys got your stuff. thanks!

Sinbad is doing much better. Cories and shrimp are being cories and shrimp. I managed to find a 50lb bag of pool filter sand for $13 and when I do the water change this weekend I'm going to try and set the ten gallon up properly. Maybe do Sinbads set-up too, but I almost want to give him a little more time after all that stress... Corries are schooling together right now, I haven't seen them do that yet and it's awesome. One of the albinos is hiding and it's cute.

So all in all, things look good. I'm really happy.

I was thinking about breeding my betta at some point, but I haven't looked into it much yet. It will probably come down to if they have a lot of babies or not. I want to keep some of them, but I don't want like..ten or more.

My partner wants one, and I know a few people at work that I would trust to take good care of them if I gave them one-especially if I was willing to dump a little money and give them a tank or some supplies with the fish.

>>2335380
10 gallons.

>>2335381
Nothing else is in the tank, temperature stayed 77 but can drop to 75-76 Fahrenheit.

>>2335390
I doubt it with all of the supposed chemicals in there..

>>2335408
They didn't even last a week, should I change the water when they first arrive?

>>2335842
And after ten seconds of google "everything you need to know about breeding bettas", and have completely decided against it.

Uh-uh, aaaaaaiiiin't going there.

I'll stick to watching his pretty fins and dreaming about making custom dog houses.

>>2335787
HOLY FUCKING CHRIST BITCH

>>2334032

>6 comets
>60 gallons

i hope you like cleaning and water changes, a lot

>>2335904

it's small because it's stunted retard

>>2335602
Bump up the Serpae school to 6 or 7. You could also do Tiger or Cherry (pretty sure that's the one I'm thinking of) Barbs, or a school of Zebra Danios.

>>2335914

oh i get it, you're trolling. well played.

>>2335917
You've got a keen sense when it comes to trolls Anon. Sniff them out immediately!

>>2335920

please point out these so called valid points

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>>2335924

git gud

>>2335926

if you're not trolling then i feel sorry for everyone in your life that has to deal with your retarded ass on a daily basis

>>2335933

>the cat

you mean high five her on keeping her cat inside, where it should be?


>the goldfish

your fish is stunted and you know it. it will have a greatly shortened lifespan and quality of life. if you care about your fish and won't upgrade, give it away. i've bred goldfish, and rescued plenty more. you'd be shocked how much your fish would grow out even now in a bigger tank. they're also social. massive behavior differences when kept with other vs alone. if you don't give a fuck about your fish, then by all means keep it in its current conditions. but at least admit that you don't care.


this sub is a fucking joke.

>>2335787
It's supposedly towards the end of this month. (march 28 IIRC) No guarantees though.

>>2335931
What is this?

>>2335942
It's an oscar eating a fly in slow motion.

>the shit conditions i keep my animals in is ok because somewhere out there someone keeps theirs in worse

>my cat's entertainment is more important than the lives of the hundreds wild of animals it will kill and the ecosystem it fuck up


you shouldn't be allowed to have pets. please don't breed. if you cared about your fish, you'd rehome it. all the data says indoor cats lead longer, healthier lives than outdoor cats. congrats, you convinced me you're not trolling, just irredeemably stupid.

>>2335943
>>2335950

once again. this board is a joke if you're representative of it.

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Lol

Is adding CO2 to a tank detrimental to fish in any way?

>>2335964
>>2335964
New thread
>>2335964
>>2335964
Please wait till at least the 100th post to shitpost it do death :^)

>>2335958
>>2335961

>board about animals & nature
>fuck nature!!
>fuck my pets!

the fuck are you edgelords even in here for????

>>2335965
310 is the limit. New thread will be pruned.

>>2335843
Where did you get them from m80?

>>2335997
my first batch was from my LFS, which died
reset the tank, eBay seller, died again

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I bet none of you fags have ever heard about this shrimp. Damb New fags.

>>2335939
petco worker here. the sale comes down April 1st so it'll either be then or a week or two later, and if not that then you're looking at May. they've been altering how long they run their sales lately so I couldn't say for certain. it used to be like a month and a half but now they seem to be doing a solid month at a time since the new year.

>>2335819
It depends on what you're trying to do. If you just want a really basic setup I haven't seen anything better than the basic kits at PetSmart ($50 for a full 10 gal kit w/ heater, $150 for a 55 gallon).

If you want something big (60-150 gal), PetSmart's Black Friday sale is insanely good. Half off of ensembles that include the tank, stand, and basic lighting.

The $1/gal sales are the cheapest you'll get a new, standalone tank, but by the time you factor in the price of all the equipment (even getting cheap stuff from eBay or Amazon), it'll probably cost more than a sale price for a kit. $1/gal is useful if you want to get specific brands of equipment, or higher quality equipment than would come with a kit.

Classifieds listings are a mixed bag depending on where you live. Nobody within 100 miles of where I live is ever willing to sell their used crap for less than 10% off of the full retail price.

For new equipment, eBay is the cheapest. For livestock, you just have to look at the local stores, both family owned and chain, and see what's what. For plants and corals (also livestock), see if there are any local communities, Facebook groups, "aquarium societies," and so on. Otherwise, check the local shops and sites like eBay and AquaBid.

>>2336017
Damn. I got mine from an eBay seller in Florida and they have done great. Put a bunch of maja grass with them in the 5 gallon with snails and they're doing great. Can recommend the seller if you're interested. $35 for 10+2 cherry shrimp (most of them were almost completely red so they're a decent grade), 2 and sometimes an extra dwarf Cajun crayfish, and 6 mixed color ramshorn snails with naja grass in each bag. They ship out only Thursday's I believe though.

Went from 20 neons to 8 in about two weeks! Lol! Dying off almost daily but don't see the bodies anywhere.

>>2336221
Miscounted. Make that 7.

>>2336222
Do you have kids? I would suggest asking them if they are eating them out of the fish tank. That's how I finally figured out where my neon's were going, good luck!

>>2336277
No. No kids. Only tank mate is a Oscar.

>>2336281
You remove the oscar. Neon tetras are fin nippers and can kill timid and delicate fish like cichlids

>>2336324
I have 6 neons with my betta and they keep nipping at his tail, should I separate them? i heard getting more tetras can fix the problem but I don't want to end up with even more fish if I do end up separating them

>>2336326
I'd say separate them or get a bigger tank.

>>2336326
What size is the aquarium? Adding to the school can help reduce aggression, but sometimes keeping bettas (especially the long varieties) with other fish can be more trouble than it's worth in smaller aquariums. You could try adding more cover for the betta or follow >>2336330 advice.

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Bump towards bump limit so we can have a real /aq/ and not the shit fest that was made well before bump limit.

>>2336113
I'm totally interested! But, I need to find a solution to this problem first, any idea what I should do?

Is there any fish food I can find in regular stores that doesn't have fucking corn and shit that fish don't normally eat?

I mean, I managed to find some baby sun-dried shrimp, but my fish can't eat it unless I crush it up and make it into a paste, but them it dirties the water really bad. And that's not a good varied diet.

Like, I just happened to look at the ingredients on the algae wafers, and I really though it would be -just- dried algae.

NOPE. Mostly corn and wheat.

>>2336428
Corn is a good filler and okay for fish. Unless you want to spend a good amount of money, you're better off making your own food.

>>2336428
grow some cucumber
grow some carrots
blanch em up
skin em
chop em
mount em on a wall
throw it in your fishtank
call it a day

>>2334582
Is that birb ok?