Why do breeders bring shit like chihuahuas and shihtzu into existence?

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>>2253926
Small dogs were originally bred for chasing small pest animals into burrows and brambles and other narrow escape routes, where larger dogs would be forced to give up the chase, allowing the pest to return and cause more damage (eating and shitting on food supplies, biting children, gnawing houses, etc.). It was only later when breeders started selecting for "cute" infantile characteristics in the adult form for sale to rich women as pets that the small dogs started having problems.

>muh big dogs
if you want a companion and not a service animal there are more ups to little dogs than downs

>>2253932
>>2253940
You cant name any benefits to these toy breeds that arent
>muh low maintenance
Which is false
>muh less health problems
Also false
>better companions
Outright lie

>>2253926
There are also dogs that have literally been bred way to big to properly function. I honestly don't understand how people breed so many Danes when it takes them 2 years to grow and they become senior dogs by roughly 5 years. That's a two to three year window of breeding.

>>2253954
They are low maintenance in the fact that they often don't need as much physical stimulation than many larger dogs. They are also convenient as many more apartments allow smaller dogs. On top of that, they can be considered safer than most larger dogs because they very rarely kill or maul. Smaller dogs also tend to live longer than larger dogs. The health problems depends on the breeds and their breeding. A byb JRT for example would have fewer debilitating problems than your average byb GSD

I'm not a fan of small dogs but OP once again is just being a faggot.

>>2253970
>2 year window
Puppies are concieved and weened all within the span of five months leaving a good 2 to 3 litters entirely possible

>muh convenience
Youve created a very neurotic and insecure dog simply for the sake of saving yourself trouble, hope you can sleep at night

>live longer
Who gives fuck how long the dog lives as long its happy? Smaller dogs stress levels are considerably higher because they want so badly to do the shit they exist for but arent the right size for.

Have a chihuahua jump off something high enough and its frail little leg will break. Do you know how hard it is to fix something that small? Chances are you dont have that money lying around so now the pup has to live with it. Congrats

>>2253978
>Who gives fuck how long the dog lives

A lot of people

>>2253980
Selfish people, dogs dont exist for you to control every aspecf of their lives.

They arent fucking toys, theyre companions.

They arent slaves, theyre partners.

Theyre companions and last i checked you dont go around trying to make sure your friends are shorter so the live longer.

>>2253926
Shih Tzus were specifically bred for companionship by the Chinese. They are great cuddlers. That's their job. Some dogs retrieve waterfowl, others chase rats...Shih Tzus snuggle.

>>2253978
>Who gives fuck how long the dog lives as long its happy?
Are you dumb, generally when people like something they want it to die later rather than sooner.

>>2253999
I get that, what im saying is you shouldnt genetically disposition an animal to live longer if it goes against nature.

>lmao you got a dog that lives a healthy happy 8 years? Well ive got a borderline rat with mental disorders and anxiety issues that lives for 15!

Fucking mental

>>2253984
Exactly, they're companions. Why wouldn't you want your companion to live as long as possible? A companion for 15 years is better than a companion for 10

You're acting as if we are the ones who bred dogs to be small. Trust me, no one here did that. Stop being so butthurt.

>>2254001
>I get that, what im saying is you shouldnt genetically disposition an animal

No one here does that.

>>2254002
>Ill sacrifice my dogs mental health and confidence for five more years with him

Selfish

>>2254003
I know that. Refer back to OP when i specifically called out breeders who do this.

>>2254007
You have no source that says all smaller breeds suffer mental health issues. Most smaller breeds are actually healthier than many big breed dogs.

>>2254007
>I want my dog to die sooner so I don't have to take care of him for longer

Selfish

>>2254009
Little dog syndrome is a well known statistical fact

>>2253997
This, they're good puppers

>>2254012
"Little dog syndrome" is just anxiety. Big dogs get anxiety too. It has more to do with socialization than anything else; it just so happens that many small owners thing that their dogs don't need to be trained or socialized.

Three small dogs here and none have had "mental issues" as you proclaim. If anything I see it more often in bigger dogs.

>>2254010
I dont went my dog to die sooner, i want hime to live as long as possible but im not gonna fuck with his genes to accomplish that

Im gonna take care of him and keep him healthy for that

If he dies at 5 at least he was happy

If he dies at 20 at least he was happy

If you think letting my friend live theyre life the way it was intended is selfish you have a twisted worldview

>>2253997
They are. They are very smart, too.

>>2254017
Again, no one is genetically engineering their small dogs to live longer but have deformities.

>OP is retard

>>2254016
Thats cool and all but its simply a fact that instinctd play a big part in dogs lives, and when youre physical body interferes with that its a problem

Im glad you were able to make it work for your dogs but most people cant

>>2254020
Not intentionally, but some breeders understand the implications and do it anyway

>>2254021
It has nothing to do with physical issues. It has to do with bad training, which is why most dogs big or small have some kind of mental issues.

>>2254022
People still breed greyhounds too. Are you trying to breed them out of existence, too? Even GSDs are being fucked up now.

Be honest, you don't give a shit about the health of dogs. You just don't like small dogs.

>>2254024
Im not saying big dogs are perfect im saying that small dogs have been left inherently flawed on purpose and this needs to be stopped and corrected with interbreeding.

So your dog is a couple inches taller now, at least it doesnt have to live with all the bullshit

>>2254027
Out of existence? No.
Back into healthier state? Your goddamn right.

>>2254028
I don't know what breeds you're talking about but my dogs are very healthy. Talk about certain breeds. It has nothing to do with big or small.

>>2254027
My favorite dog i ever owned was like 10 pounds, and seeing the bullshit he dealed with compared to my lab is what has me thinking this way

>>2254034
Again, it's about the breed itself, not the size.

>>2254032
Any breed that suffers because of its genes, smaller dogs come to mind, korean mastiffs, greyhounds

>>2253978
I was talking about reputable breeders, who give their bitches a year break inbetween litters. Not bybs who use them up every chance they go into heat.

>smaller dogs stress levels
I'm going to need a source on this. I have a hard time believing any pet can be considerably stressed so long as it's being cared for.

Living longer is also a sign of being healthier. It means that so far in their life, nothing terribly fucked has happened to their body to make them die.

>>2254012
little dog syndrome is about training, it's not something they are born with or pass down genetically.

>>2254043
Smaller things live longer, thats just fact. Human cancer rates spike every 4 inches.

This is the only reason small dogs live longer.

Also when fucked things happen, small dogs are much slower to bounce back and in the cases of severe trauma like broken legs, fixing it is hard long and expensive. And thats if you find a vet who can actually operate on parts that small.

>>2254016
I have two Shih Tzus, and had a Chi in the past. All were rescues. None had anxiety issues beyond the initial transition from leaving shelter life. Had the Chi for 4yrs before he died of age related issues (he was 14). The ones I have now are going on 8yo and both have heart disease, but that can happen with any breed if the breeders are careless.

>>2254047
>that's just fact
Hummingbirds would like to have a talk with you....

>>2254093
Smaller hummingbirds live longer than larger ones

Its a by species basis

>>2254047
That is not true. Teacup dogs all live shorter lives than their normal sized versions. Bulldogs live much shorter lives than other dogs of it's size. Sighthounds are large but tend to have a hlonger life expectancy than some medium sized breeds.

What backyard vet do you go to that can't operate on a chi? They aren't rodents or birds, they are still big enough that a vet who passed school should be able to do routine operations. And there is no science behind smaller dogs healing slower. Older dogs do heal slower, and smaller breeds tend to live longer, so I can understand how you can mix that up.

>>2254047
Vets routinely operate on rats and rabbits. You're reaching.

>>2253926
Why did your parents bring shit like you into existence?

>>2253926
Toy dogs, toy dog breeders and toy dog owners should unironically be gassed.
Especially pugs and pug owners

>>2253932
There's literally nothing cute about small dogs. Regular ones are infinitely cutter.

>>2253926
You need smaller dogs than that to work cattle.

Those ones will just get kicked in the head.

>>2255727
a lot of small breeds are great dogs. they provide great company and are vet costs for them are generally lower. they can do anything a large dog can do.

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Some toy breeds are cool.

I am thinking about getting a papillion when my current bunch of doggos go. They are athletic, driven, and really smart. They look like fun, cute doggos in a nice compact size.

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>>2253978
Not every fucking dog is a pet you muppet. The reason this thread is so cancerous is because half of you dont understand why dogs were bred certain ways. My dog needs to live for at least 8 years for in order for it to work off the investment I made in him and then give me time to replace him.

Btw working dogs are property

>Pic related is my collie x pup

>>2255760

They will also desire to be physically attached to you at all possible times.

>>2255776
>a living being with intellect comparable to a 3 year old human child is my property

You are the most despicable kind of person

Dogs are mans best friend and that terminology is not a mistake.

Last i checked thinking of someone as nothing more than an investment and property is not friendship

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>>2255776
Why even own a dog then? If theyre just investments to you why not invest in machines or people? Theyre both more efficient and reliable.

Then again this might be bait for people with morals

>>2255786
farm dogs are very useful and still used in many parts of the world. some people get very emotional when told that a working dog is not a family pet.

>>2255786
Well, you know, over certain terrain dogs are more efficient and a lot safer than machines or people. Say you got half your flock of sheep in the high meadows where the slopes are steep and the ground is strewn with scree.

You can send a dozen men up there, but they'll be slow and have to pick their way carefully or risk breaking an ankle or falling. You can't take an ATV up there. The ground is too uneven, steep, and slippery. That's asking for a fatal accident. In spite of that, it's a good place to raise sheep for wool, so you do it anyway.

A well trained working dog can move as easily on the terrain as the sheep can, and is worth more than those dozen slow humans.

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>>2255788
If theyre so much more useful than humans why not treat them like something other than property?

>>2255778
I like this in doggos though.

>Go for a long run with doggo
>Come home
>Sit on couch with pooped pup in lap
>Read
Infinite levels of cozy

>>2255790
working dogs are fed quality food and given veterinary care but they aren't treated like an indoor family dog. herding dogs might sleep in a kennel building separate from the house for example.

another example, livestock guardian dogs must be raised with the flock of sheep to imprint on them. from the age when they start working they are always outdoors with the sheep doing their job, with the exception of vet trips. there are some cool books about LGDs.

>>2255805
I understand the dogs probably live good lives, but there needs to be a certain level of respect as they arent property rather a partner or worker

They have no say and cannot leave of their own accord. They are property in the same way livestock animals are.

>>2255759

A small dog can't get into my tiny ass Kia without assistance.

Checkmate, pleb.

>>2255831
My small 16 pound dog can jump into my Civic fine. My larger, 45 pound staffie mix needs me help though.

No clue why he has so much trouble.

>>2255833

My dog usually does too, but I think she's cautious about jumping in and eating shit/hitting her head.

>>2254034
> My favorite dog I ever owned
>has me thinking this way

Who's the selfish one again? It's not like you apply this reasoning to anything else. You wouldn't tell a person that they should just die sooner rather than live longer but have health problems.

Some people see dogs differently than humans (surprising, I know, since they're fucking dogs), and apply different standards to them. People are willing to breed dogs with all sorts of crazy characteristics to make them better at their jobs. And while you may not think small dogs are good companions that's purely subjective. I know many old and lonely people whose dogs are the only thing they look forward to seeing every day.

Grow up.

>>2255750
Dude, there are normal looking small dogs. Jack Russell's and most of the terriers look nice.

>>2255778
That's a failure of training, not simply the dog. Please pick up a book once in a while.

>neurotic
>insecure
>anxiety

..Have you met many terriers? They tend to be extremely outgoing, fearless little dogs that were bred for gameness and a high prey drive. Even toy dogs will often have more domineering personalities than placid or sensitive large breeds that they live with. Small dog syndrome can be a thing, but sighthounds can be great big delicate flowers, border collies can be a neurotic mess, and I used to live next door to two German Shepherds that were terrified of everything because they had a shitty owner that never let them out, so the whole world scared them. That's similar to how many overprotective owners treat their small dog - any dog will end up neurotic if you keep it locked up and never set boundaries or socialise it or let it stretch its legs and engage its mind by discovering new places and meeting new dogs.