what's with all the pit bull hate here? i can't tell

>>2178456
If you are a responsible dog owner then you should know that potentially dangerous situations could happen with any breed of dog, and know that ultimately the owner is responsible for any all consequences of that dogs actions. It is up to the owner to keep the animal out of these situations, and to properly train and socialize the pet if they are going to be bringing it around people and other animals.
Of course there are various degrees depending on the breed, no body has to worry about a toy breed mauling people. Regardless, my point is caution and responsibilities should be observed with ALL breeds. Pitbulls may or may not be prone to aggression, but if you are already watching out for that, and correctly controlling your dog what does it matter?

>>2178456
Edge.

>>2178459
>spay/neutered: no

I doubt they bred the dog, why do people do this? I understand it can cause problems to neuter/spay an animal, but unless breed them it's also gonna cause problems.

Personally I'm so fucking tired of seeing the like Facebook style posts of people with their nice pitbulls saying shit like "why would you hate on pitbulls they are sweet angels"etc

>>2178456
Literally delete them and all bully or pit fighting type dogs.

There is nothing about them you cannot find in another dog other than image.

>>2178500
i find them to be friendlier than most other breeds and a lot easier to train than some of the bigger breeds

ill admit a small part of the reason i got a pit bull was for image, i have bad PTSD from being assaulted in public and my pit bull makes me feel safe even though she's not aggressive

>>2178500
I honestly do like pitbulls for image. I think they can be by and far the cutest breed of dog out there. The whole "big mean pitbull" thing I don't care about: I just think they are massive qts

>>2178505
Are you a white mom on Facebook?

>>2178502
>I find a dog breed I like friendlier and easier to train then ones I favor less

>>2178513
No. I just think they are really cute. I like their big shovel heads and smiles, and always have really pretty eyes.

>>2178517
no u dont

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>>2178456
I like most breeds of dogs, bully type included. Here's a pic of my friends dog over for a visit.
The shelter they got him from claims he's a mutt. His ears are not clipped, just looks like it in pic.

Really can't get over how happy that dog looks.

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I've got a pitbull rescue as well, and she's the best dog I've ever had.

When people meet my Brutus they tend to reconsider their thoughts on pits.

>>2178537
Erm

>>2178537
Oh anon. You never tire of this, do you?

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>>2178541
I do love posting pictures of Brutus, my man

Got nothing against them, they just happen to be a bit squat and ugly, and frequently owned and therefore poorly-trained by scum. Pointing out that they're frequently the aggressive cretin's dog of choice is hardly "subscribing to media opinions".

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>>2178554
>pitbulls
>ugly

I don't think so, anon. They're proud, majestic dogs.

>>2178545
Is he a labrabull?

>>2178559

Low Quality Baitbull.

Pitbulls are the Muslims of the dog world.

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>>2178559
Shelter just had her listed as a pitbull

Two of the four dogs that have behaved aggressively toward me have been pitbulls. Pitbulls account for maybe a fourth of all dogs I see, two out of four is a bit uncalled for.

I like pitbulls, but I'm wary of them now. Considering one of them was a "total sweetheart, he only wants to give kisses" type, I don't entirely trust them.

Any dog breed can be shitty, any dog breed can be great, but I think a lot of pit owners are uneducated and a lot of pitbulls come from questionable stock.

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>>2178588
Pitbulls generally are sweethearts who just want to give kisses, though.

You seem a little prejudiced towards the lesser educated lower class, too. While I do have a university degree, I seriously doubt that's had any impact on my pitbull and her behavior.

>>2178592
I never mentioned class. Just education. I should've specified that I meant educated about dog training specifically, though.

>>2178456
Implement a license.

>pay for license to own specific dog breed of required experience
>dont have one, take dog
>dont want a license, put animal to sleep

There is nothing wrong with this suggestion.

If you want a breed bad enough you should pay for it

>>2178598
works great until people decide your favorite beed/species needs a license.

then decide the license should cost more than your annual salary.

Not sure what third world toilet you live in, but in the US we have the right to pursue happiness.
that includes not having jackasses charging us arbitrary fees for doing what we like just because they don't like it.

>>2178620
>>>/pol/

>>2178624
>state a conservative view
>get told to go to /pol/

People are seriously way undereducated about dogs. Never had a problem with pitbulls but German shepherds though, fuck. Even mixes. Except two purebred ones every one ive known was fucking shit and I worked as a dog groomer and in a kennel so I saw tons of different breeds.

I think a huge issue is people just thinking of all dogs the same and expecting them to be what they are in their heads. Just a normal family dog thst all you have to do is feed and (maybe) walk. Enabling shitty behaviors because it's cute or he's playing, etc. Had a girl get knocked down from a great dane that flew at her and split her head when she fell. Happy dude but he was a monster on a leash, would try and knock everyone down to play, would injure himself from getting too excited, etc. He broke his tail just from wagging it too hard against a bench. There way of trying to train him out of it was just getting dragged on a leash and locking him in a room if he acted up.

>>2178456
My parents have had two put down, once when I was younger ( The original owners moved to a place where animals weren't allowed)
The first few weeks the bastard kept sizing me and my twin up (We were 6 years old) The week after that he attacked and bit my twin.
Years later mum had always felt bad about putting that dog down and kind felt like she owed the species another chance, she bought a pit puppy, things were fine for 3 years until we took it to a park where it decided to nigger out and seriously maim a golden retriever.
Dad put a round through its head as soon we were at my grandparents farm next.
Pit Bulls are the fucking niggers of the dog world.

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>>2178566
Looks like a pitador

Here's my 6 month lab/pit

>>2178456
I have no problems with pits. I have a problem with the people that own pits and don't want to be associated with them so I will never own one. Trash people own pits. But the worst are the people that get pits just to prove pits are great and are constantly going on about how great they are usually while their dog is being an asshole because they really don't have any clue what the fuck they are doing.

Nobody hates pit bulls, they hate dumbshit pet owners.

>>2178456
I don't like pitbulls but I also don't dislike them. They are just a breed of dog that I don't really have an opinion on, same with poodles and mastiffs. This is coming from someone that was bit by one when I was 8 years old.

It's the same deal with outdoor cats, live feeding, and keeping dogs intact; it's a hot button issue that people have their own opinions on, and some will troll to high heaven for their thread to get iron man numbers. That, and they fall for those pictures on Facebook and shit that have 'facts' about a 'breed' that is made of 60+ breeds and all their mixes

>>2178494
There's anti-neuter propaganda that, while it is fine to responsibly keep intact animals, it's not good to push that as the only decent way to keep animals. So all these hipsters and niggers get these dogs and hear that it's bad to fix them, and then keep them intact irresponsibly

>>2178500
They are by far the most tenacious animal. You will not find the iron will of an APBT in any other dog, that's for sure. All those byb 'pit bulls' are good for nothing but pets, though.

>>2178640
Same. Work in a shelter, 6 out of 7 attacks the past two years have been GSDs. We got 6 GSDs in the past two years. The other one was an American Bulldog, of course labled by media as a pit bull. None of the GSD attacks the Media cared about, despite serious damage being caused and in some cases multiple victims

>>2178655
This is how it should be, but you can't fix stupid.

>>2178456
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

The statistics don't lie. Pittbulls are the most violent and deadly dogs by a HUUUUUGE margin.

If there is a fatal dog attacks, it's probably from a pit bull and that's not a meme.

Literally the niggers of the dog world.

>>2178496
It's pathetic how hard they try and justify their owning a vicious animal and constantly have to tell people how nice it is. If you spend more time justifying your animal, you probably picked a bad animal.
Meanwhile, the majority of fatalities caused by dogs are by pit bulls.

Pit owners are the worst

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>>2178556
>>2178545
>>2178537
>>2178556
>>2178566

>>2178677
I dont believe that all pits and bully breeds are precious angels but I do think people are too mad at certain breeds than the owners. We can't force the population to be 'good' owners, but we can try. And with so many breeds getting banned, you have even less informed and shitty owners until we are only allowed breeds under 15lbs. Drives me nuts. I've gone through plenty of breeds and all types of types without five years of being a groomer and six years at two shelters, plus the occasional foster dog. People just want the perfect, most inconvenient pet and dogs are so engrained into us that everyone is expected to have them but God forbid if it's hyper! Better just yell at it and shove it in a room instead of having to take responsibility and put real effort into it.

Pit owners are so insecure it's hilarious.

>>2178459
>Porsche
>South Carolina

its like pottery

>>2178677
The thing is many pits still largely come from aggressive ancestors. The more aggressive the pit the more likely it was to get bred, while a part of it is owner fault(most people shouldn't own dogs) a part is also genetic. Pits are a breed that's famous for "snapping" to. Those gsd are probably consistent biters with owners who probably tried to make them guard dogs. Pits will act friendly and when you get close bite you.

>>2178653
My dog was recently attacked by a pitbull whose owner got it for the "muscle dog" image and never trained it properly. I like pitbulls, but just like any other high energy dog with an active prey drive, they need extra care and an experienced owner. Too many putbulls have shit owners who only got them for the aesthetic.

If I am walking my dog and we see a pitbull with it's owner, regardless of who the owner is or how they appear, we are going somewhere else and avoiding it.

Pits are ticking time bombs that simply will snap, no matter how well trained or bred. You are literally never safe around a pit because you never know when it could happen.

If someone moves in my neighborhood and owns a pit, we're moving somewhere else.

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>>2178711
You're being facetious, right?

I seriously doubt you would cross the street if you saw me walking my pitbull.

>>2178712
So how'd your local shelter get a lab confused with a pit?

>>2178712
I'm a man of principles, and the one time I make an exception will be the one time me and my pupper get attacked. Even if we saw your Pit we'd go the other direction

Pitbulls are the niggers of dogs.

Sure most are good when raised right by upstanding families, but bring them up in poverty and hostile environments, and they start crushing throats.

>>2178764
Jesus fuckin' christ dude.

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>>2178456
>shouldn't the blame then be on the owners and not the breed?

That´s not always the case. But if you want a dog that is predisposed with aggression even though you can consider a lot of easier options then yeah, It's all the owner's fault.

There's a reason why people should never choose a breed just fort their looks. If they can't handle the breed then just don´t get one.

>>2178620
>muh freedoms

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>>2178820
Stop there, senpai. You know what kind of (You)'s you are expecting for posting that pic.

Everyone craps on about hurr dey agressive

Well then breed them for a different temperament.

>dats impposible its in their genes, its derr instincts

Ok your dumb and nothing about basic genetics and farming ing eneral.

But hmmm who is breeding the dogs for aggressivenes hmm i wonder? I wonder who that can be?

But its the dogs fault right?

>>2178707
What ancestors are we talking about?
Because of the 60 or so breeds that compromise pit bulls, maybe 10 - 12 are dog or stranger aggressive. Pit bulls are made up of dog breeds that are solely for pets, dogs bred for herding, dogs bred for hunting, all sorts of dog breeds. So with a 'pit bull', you have to think of it like a mutt; you can get anything from it. Very, very few 'pit bulls' you see today have very much APBT in them. Reputable breeders do not actively breed for dog aggression in the breed anyways, as any sign of aggression in the ring is a disqualification for the dog, and in some kennel clubs, for the dog's offspring too. Anything besides being happy or excited seeing people in the ring is also disqualified.

Everything else you said isn't really based on anything but your opinion or is anecdotal. I've never met a pit bull, for example, that did not give sufficient warning for biting. Snapping in the dog world is a warning, and dogs SHOULD snap before biting, because it IS a warning so whatever will stop before it bites.. Most people just ignore it because they are hippies and believe pitties never hurt a fly, or people will beat the snapping out of their dog as 'training' so next time, instead of warning it will go straight to biting.

>>2178697
Preaching to the choir. Dogs require work, some dogs require more work than others. For example, APBTs are more prone to dog aggression than say, a Labrador, and are very high energy, so they need good interactions with dogs early on and a lot of physical stimulation. But between people trying to ban them like you said, and others spreading bad information, very little real thought reaches the owners. Also this random breeding of random mutts for 'blue nose pitties' is not helping one fucking bit

>>2178830
>breed them for a different temperament.
It's easier to get another breed.
BTW. Aren´t american bullies just bulkier pibulls with good temperaments?

>>2178620
And youre exactly the reason they and other aggressive or demanding dogs should be licensed.

Just because you can own it doesnt mean you should.

Probably why your dungheap of a nation suffers so many shoot-em-ups

>>2178830
>Well then breed them for a different temperament.
not necessary.

all you have to do is NOT breed them for aggression and in a couple generations that aggression will be lost.

just like any other trait, if you don't actively breed for it, it will disappear pretty quickly.

the genetic aggression of pit bulls is a myth, it hasn't been actively bred for in most lines for over a century. It's gone, it's been gone for close to a hundred years. If we stopped breeding them for a specific look that would quickly disappear too.

>>2178833
Because people like other aspects of the dog.

>>2178835
Thats what i mean. These people have no idea how breeding works.

What i'm getting at is its blacks and white trash that are breeding this aggressive pits.

The white trash at least make ones that are meant to be human friendly.

Where as the blacks have no idea what they are doing and are just want dogs that will go crazy at anything that comes by their yard.

>>2178834
>Just because you can own it doesnt mean you should.
what makes you think I own one?

I'm just not enough of an ass to think I can tell others what they should do. It takes a special sort of douche to do that.

>>2178837
>enforce responsible dog ownership
>called a douche

>>2178836
>its blacks and white trash that are breeding this aggressive pits
they usually use abuse and neglect to produce dangerous dogs since breeding alone doesn't work.

>>2178839
Lol have you ever been to a black area where are all these pits coming from then? Out of thin air.

Or is its the white mans fault.

>>2178838
you are a douche if you think licensing one breed is going to stop poor people from abusing animals. They'll just pick another breed or ignore your law. that's what poor people do.

then you can be here bitching about toy poodles or whatever animal is the next gen male penile proxy.

>>2178841
>Or is its the white mans fault.
fuck I hate /pol/.

learn to spell, you stupid fucking nigger.

then learn to read.

>>2178598
I agree with this entirely.

Their should be a probationary period before getting the license where you are forced to engage a qualified trainer and also have the dog go to puppy school with other dogs from a young age to at least 18 months.

Then just like a drivers license you have to pass a test to get your license.

Basic commands, show that its been socialised with other dogs, animals and humans/children.

This should be implemented for all powerful medium and large dogs.

>>2178843
>they usually use abuse and neglect to produce dangerous dogs since breeding alone doesn't work.

i then asked where are the dogs coming from in black neighborhoods?

Are you too retarded to understand that the poor breeding is basically black people who don't know what they are doing or white trash still breeding game dogs?

Then you get buttflustered that i dare ask you such a question and comment on spelling and get triggered because someone said it might be a certain race of people mainly fucking up the dogs.

>>2178844
As a liberal I also agree.

The license fee should be over $100k and you should have to buy liability insurance for your dog though.

fuck poor people. If you can't make money you don't deserve rights.

>>2178845
nothing you said disagrees with what I said, dipshit.

you just can't spell and have to drag race into it when you're nothing more than a white nigger yourself.

>>2178832
Breeding pits for aggression was a practice in the early 1900s all the way up until the 70s, but by then a majority of the pit breeding pool was full of very aggressive dogs. https://books.google.com/books?id=nmR8CgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT21&ots=WS1VAgfXst&dq="TheBattleBetweenParren%27sPatandCaire%27sRowdy"&pg=PT21#v=onepage&q=%22The%E2%80%A9Battle%E2%80%A9Between%E2%80%A9Parren's%E2%80%A9Pat%E2%80%A9and%E2%80%A9Caire's%E2%80%A9Rowdy%E2%80%A9%22&f=false and by snap I mean dramatic change in behavior, but you knew that your just being obtuse. In fact it's insanely common in the breed and there's more stories like this one http://blog.dogsbite.org/2014/07/new-brunswick-pit-bull-attack.html?m=1
Everything everyone else post is anecdotal to so I don't see why calling me out for it is valid.

>>2178598
>>2178844
Furthermore breeders trainers etc.. must have to undergo courses to become qualified so firstly

>they can keep the dogs in a safe manner
>they actually know something about genetics so they can breed for good traits

look i'm not saying we need to stop dogs from having controlled aggression because i think people have a right to own a dog for protection reasons or guard dog

but any retard can get too dogs together and have them fug then try and sell them at this point nobody is regulating it

>>2178846
Why does this trigger you so.

If your too poor to look after your dog and train it properly then sorry don't own a dog focus on getting an education and then a good job and then move out of the ghetto and buy an affordable apartment in a low crime neighbourhood

then you buy your dog train it etc...

>>2178848
Ok let me put it into a nice term so you don't get triggered.

People of lower socioeconomic status breed aggressive pits.

>>2178852
Doesn't trigger me at all.

I'm quite serious.

any license is a barrier to poor people doing poor people things.

I'm not poor, why should it bother me? I like having things you can't afford. That's kinda the point of getting rich.

>>2178854
Yes.
that's what I agreed with in the previous comment but I added that breeding alone doesn't work so they use abuse and neglect.

and you can't read well enough to catch that.

which makes little nigs like yourself so frustrating. Learn to fucking read. Maybe you'll elevate yourself and not have to live in poor people land.

>>2178566
Damn it. I rarely come to /an/ but saw this thread on the front page. This reminds me of my buddy Toby who got hit by a car a few months ago. Labs are some good dogs.

>>2178855
>I like having things you can't afford

Why are you assuming i'm poor?

>As a liberal I also agree.
So your a rich liberal that hates poor people?

Ok makes sense.

>>2178857
>I added that breeding alone doesn't work so they use abuse and neglect.

This is where people like you who think that your cool little vague terms make sense because your in the know and everyone else isn't

Then you get buttmad when people don't understand you or misunderstand you or ask you questions trying to get you to explain what you mean.

>yeah nig dey breed use neglect and breed and abuse

>>2178860
>Why are you assuming i'm poor?
Habit.

99.5% of americans are poorer than me and if we add in the posters from other countries as well as response bias less than one in a thousand posters here will be wealthier than me.

it is extremely likely that I would consider you poor.

>So your a rich liberal that hates poor people?
learn to spell. Jesus fuck, poor people suck.

>>2178863
So you are a rich liberal that hates poor people?

>>2178862
so it's my fault you can't read at a sixth grade level?

and you still can't spell?
I hope you're good looking because you clearly aren't intelligent or useful.

>>2178866
you are >>2178863

oh well

>>2178865
that's better.

I don't hate poor people, that's where rich people come from.

I just think it's funny when poor people propose taxes on even poorer people and think someone above them won't do the exact same to them.

You tax poor people pets, I'll tax your pets, and bill gates will tax my pets.

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>>2178870
So you have an issue with licensing?

Should we let poor people fly planes without any knowledge of flying a plane, simply because they are poor?

>>2178872
>So you have an issue with licensing?
what makes you think I was being sarcastic?

I agree 100% with licensing, but let's make it too expensive for you as well.

and insurance, why the hell don't we require liability insurance to operate a pit bull or a pistol? You can kill someone with those, we damn sure aught to be able to sue your poor ass if you do.

>>2178849
Most of today's pits have little or no APBT ancestry in them, especially after Staffies, Bulldogs, and now the American Bully are becoming very popular. And even if there was APBT in them, studies have shown that only after a few generations of not being bred for a specific trait, in this case, dog fighting and aggression in general, they lose their 'instinct'. A puggle for instance is not nearly as scent driven as a pug. Only roughly 3% of pit bulls in the US has actually been bred and trained to fight dogs. And breed has actually not shown to be a big factor as much as the owners actually are. Remember high school, correlation does not equal causation? Also keep in mind 'pit bull' is being talked about as a breed, when in fact it means a mutt. So yes, there are more dogs in the world without pedigrees than there are with pedigrees. Even the CDC admits it's sources on 'pit bulls' come from news headlines, which very frequently and sometimes purposely mislabels known dogs in attacks
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/publications/154426276_The%20Relevance%20of%20Breed%20in%20Selecting%20a%20Companion%20Dog.pdf
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/99jul/9907dogs.htm
http://www.appliedanimalbehaviour.com/article/S0168-1591%2813%2900292-X/abstract
http://www.1800petmeds.com/education-data/images/pit-bull-facts-myths.jpg
http://genome.cshlp.org/content/15/12/1706.full.html
http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/files/5F._Beyond_Breed.pdf
http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726

Also
>dogsbit.org
>not scientific publication
Like asking a far left blogger to give you facts about Donald Trump

>>2178871
10/10 deadly couch lump

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>>2178875
Ok lad go be an autist somewhere else.

>>2178879
sorry to trample your delicate feels.

"poor" is relative. we can price anything out of your reach if you want to open that can of worms.

it's already happening anyways, in case you haven't noticed.

>>2178882
I can see it as the future of america if hilldog wins.

How do i get into the top 95% of wealth without being born into it?

Fuck poor people.

>>2178886
Expanding government and taxes is an essentially liberal policy whether we're talking licenses for dogs or guns or anything.

Equity is key to wealth. Buy a house you can't afford and pay for it even if you have to declare bankruptcy a few times. Work for the government, that's the sector that's growing.

start a business. Business owners are the only people getting wealthy because conservative tax codes favor ownership. Vote conservative, make your living off of liberal policy.

>>2178893
Ok cool

>>2178896
notice that republicans vocally favor small government while most of them work for big gov.

In time you may realize that your dislike of poor people and other racial and ethnic groups is engineered.

people are making money off of your racism.

if you want to be rich you need to understand that and be one of the people making money off of it. Your politics don't matter, it's other people's fears and ambitions that pay your bills. /pol/ is full of useful idiots, so are liberal conclaves. It's the conflict that pays. It's anger that makes fortunes.

don't just say "ok." if you want to profit from this you have to understand it. Stupid people don't get rich. Nor do those that say what they think or stand for their beliefs.

>>2178899
Ok how do i make money off racism?

This isn't ww2 where i can sell steel to both sides.

Are you selling hillary for prison shirts and drumpf hats?

>>2178456
There is no pitbull hate, its just these fucking mexican, guatemalan,salvadorian cholo fucks who abuse and ruin the image of putbulls. They are great dogs and sadly these bald headed fat fucks think its macho to make pitbulls fierce and deadly killing dogs by feeding them dog food laced with gun poweder and have them tear up kittens for shits and giggles.

>>2178900
if you don't see opportunities you won't get any.

Liberals expand government but run on an anti-racist platform. Their self-righteousness supports millions of government workers and contractors.

the other side has its heroes too. How much has Chick fillet and hobby lobby made off of essentially bigoted fears? Trump? the man makes billions off of racists and will continue to.

do those company owners actually believe the shit they sell? Either side?

or do they just know where their paycheck comes from?

you decide. A wealthy person has no real preferences, they go with what pays at the moment.

>>2178900
>Are you selling hillary for prison shirts and drumpf hats?
retail to the public is worthless.

I sell to governments and corporations. but those both make money off of public fear and desire.

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>tfw millionaires on /an/

>>2178908
millionaires have hobbies too.

and I don't honestly hate poor people. I like intelligent poor people because I realize they won't stay poor.

Statistically 6 out of 100 posters here will be millionaires at some point. 3 out of 100 will stay millionaires for over a decade. 1 out of 100 will be millionaires for life.

though in another 30 years a million bucks will be a lot more common and less impressive because inflation.

>>2178846
Youre an absolute idiot.

>>2178915
when you get caught driving drunk we make you go to classes. Usually those classes cost money, but even if they don't it cuts into your ability to make money by fucking with your work schedule.

licensing and compliance fees are the boot we put in the face of poor people to keep them from rising.

if we're going to tax chollos and homies to keep them from their dogs why not tax white peoples too?

hell, let's make it fair and just tax poor people for having cars that don't meet emissions standards or mobile homes older than 1976. Force them to go on welfare and stay there. Produce a permanent poor class and then chase the middle class down with them through HOA fees and ARM's. Build a slave class, widen the divide between the aristocratic lords and landowners and their serfs and peons.

let's tax lowriders and spinners and gang colors and tattoos too.

>>2178835
>the genetic aggression of pit bulls is a myth, it hasn't been actively bred for in most lines for over a century. It's gone, it's been gone for close to a hundred years.
If I google "pitbull lines", I find for example this:

http://www.gamedogshistory.com/bloodlines/
>There’s an old saying and it still remains true today, “match dogs come from match dogs”. Thus, if you are looking to procure a puppy to later be used for combat, you will have to get him/her from someone who matches their dogs. This is not as easy as it may sound, as most dog men are skeptical to sell or even talk to new comers, for fear of being “set up” by the authorities. Most breeders will give you the third degree in regards to who you are, the most widely asked question is how did you get my number and who do you know in the game? If you can answer these two questions correctly, you have a shot.

All the pitbull breeders who are deeply interested in the pedigrees, bloodlines and preservation of breed characteristics (especially gameness) seem to focus on the lines descending from fighting dogs. They tend to scoff at shelter rescues, amstaffs, and other dogs that stray away from APBT heritage. Usually they appear to consider these dogs either soft and weak, or unpredictable.

I'm not convinced they've stopped breeding these dogs for fighting, it seems more like there's a split among pitbull owners. First we've got the old-school "dog-men" who acknowledge the breed was created to be aggressive and tenacious, secondly we've got thugs who want a thug dog, and thirdly we have those who are desperate to prove that pitbulls are misunderstood cuddly teddybears who did nothing wrong.

>>2178953
sure. there are still people breeding fighting dogs.

Most pit bulls aren't from those lines though. Or they're culls from people too stupid to actually breed fighting dogs.

>>2178911
>>2178917
i still think your just roleplaying as a rich person and your actually a poor kid who probably desires to own a pitbull because your mad people suggested a license for owning powerful dogs

>muh poor people

Part of their breed is to just snap. Its reality

>>2178846
Aren't you required to have liability insurance in the US?

>>2178854
Jesus Christ, let me spell it out dir you, he said that the breeding ALONE doesn't make them that aggressive and that they are also abused. He never even disagreed with you regarding the breeding.

isnt the apbt a single breed? why do people refer to their dogs as pit bulls when theyre staffies/mutts?

where im from thats a bad thing to do. am i an idiot or is pit bull a generic term here?

>>2178537
Pretty sure that's a lab.

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>>2178997
No imagine if you got all the stats for all the mutts and every bully breed and added them all up together and called it one dog.

Well thats what you get with these 'pit bull' stats.

see >>2178459 as an example

Thats a mutt but its commonly referred to as a 'pit bull'

Unfortunately 'pit bull' use to just refer to apbt's and maybe amm staffs for obvious reasons.

But now the media just labels any dog that looks kinda like a bully as a 'pit bull'.

>>2178985
Let me spell it out for you. Selective breeding ALONE can make a dog more aggressive. No need to abuse it or whatever.

>>2179007
Sure, I agree.

I was simply frustrated with your (willful?) lack of reading comprehension.

>>2178997
In America, "pit bull" is a catch-all term that refers to:
-American pit bull terrier
-American Staffordshire Terrier
-Staffordshire Bull Terrier
-American Bulldog

Yet further, many jurisdictions in which there is breed specific legislation (BSL) which bans dogs like pitbulls bullshit, there are a set of criteria in which if a dog meets so many, they are a pitbull regardless of their actual breed. The famous example is some labs can be considered "pitbulls" under these laws.

>>2179028
>In America, "pit bull" is a catch-all term that refers to:

No

>>2178966
sure, because what are the odds of a millionaire posting here?

well, like I said the odds are about 6 in 100 assuming an adult American userbase.

of course most of /an/ isn't adult americans, so your incredulity is understandable. If it were you'd have about 12 of me here.
>>2178984
no.

property owners with a mortgage are required to carry liability insurance, but they don't usually have dangerous dogs.

drivers are required to carry liability insurance for driving, but even then about 1/2 of people can't afford that legal requirement and drive anyways.

>>2179033
>property owners with a mortgage are required to carry liability insurance, but they don't usually have dangerous dogs.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/blogs/academy-journal/2016/05/16/408427.htm

>According to the study, more than one-third of all homeowners’ insurance liability claims are attributable to dog bites

Yeah homeowners do not usually have dangerous dogs.

>>2179034
I'm not sure you understand how statistics work.

all that means is you're slightly more likely to get sued for your dog biting the mailman than have your house burn down.

not particularly compelling.

But then if you were smart enough to understand that then perhaps you'd have some personal experience with owning property and you wouldn't be trying to disagree with me.

>what's with all the pit bull hate here? i can't tell if it's a meme or not
it's both
>i didn't expect you guys to subscribe to media opinions and stuff like that but damn
media opinions my ass.
>i've lived with and owned pit bulls and bully type breeds most of my life and i can honestly say I've never had an issue with human aggression
that's what my aunt and uncle said right up until their pit sent her to the hospital.
>they can be dog aggressive but with proper socialization there's really no need to worry,
well that's just not true
>you just need to stay on guard as you would with any large dog breed
that's not a thing
>the only aggressive pits ive ever met were taken care of horribly, underfed, not socialized at all, left outside to wander all day and night, and forced to breed
1. good for you
2. that's most of dogs in the world
>shouldn't the blame then be on the owners and not the breed?
yeah, for keeping a dangerous dog around
>my dog is very well behaved and since she's a rescue, she does have some issues but im working hard with her to correct them
so she's very well behaved but you have to work hard because she is in fact a bad dog
>idk it's just something obnoxious to see when you guys supposedly love animals
we love to talk about animals.

>>2179037
I'm not sure you understand how insurance works.

Your home burning down wouldn't be part of the liability aspect of your policy for one. That would fall under aspects of your policy covering structural damage and personal belongings. Liability insurance covers someone getting injured on your property. This can be because a dog bit them, they slipped and fell, you hurt them moving some furniture by accident, etc.

For two, food and THIRD of your claims to come from a single peril is significant as fuck. Insurers spend millions on dog bite claims.

Now that we have shown you know dick and all about insurance, let's look at how you also know shit about statistics. Same article:
>Statistically, 61 percent of dog bites occur at the owner’s home; further, 77 percent of victims are bitten by a dog owned by a family member or family friend.

The odds of your dig burying the mailman is low as fuck.

Tldr: kys

Source: I work in insurance and am a homeowner

>>2178953
Sounds like you're agreeing with anon on his first point; match dogs breed match dogs, and there's only 3% of APBT breeders who breed and train dogs for fighting. So, most APBTs are not bred for it

As far as breeders (besides the three percent that breed for fights); in APBT shows, any sign of fear or aggression towards people is an auto disqualification because breed standard calls that they are very people friendly. Any sort of aggression shown in the ring is also immediately disqualified (is the case with most breed shows, as it is supposed to be safe environment). Dog aggression is not something breeders care for or breed for; the APBT is known for it's tenacity as a breed, breeders try to continue that. Many dog breeds are dog aggressive, but the APBT takes the cake for iron will.

>>2178997
Pit bull, thanks to the public and media, now covers a plethora of dogs; it covers more breeds that any dog group now, and all the mixes. Some APBT people try to push this movement to get pit bull back to being an abbreviated APBT, but it only confuses people when they say facts about the APBT and people think it covers all pit bulls. Then you have the side doing the opposite, trying to show people pit bull is a dead term because it can be any mutt. So shit is utterly fucked right now.

But yeah, it's summer. I think I've seen 6 or 7 pit hate threads since June and only remember 3 from last fall/winter/spring and the OP usually gets BTFO

>>2178877
Only one of your sources directly talks about pits, but none of them confirm your argument. Do you have a source that only 3% of pits are bred from fighting stock? No you don't because your a liar. Most pit bulls are either the APBT, or AST.

>>2179042
you've still said absolutely nothing about the frequency of dog bites among homeowners vs. those that rent. You certainly haven't shown that most homeowners have vicious dogs.

a lot of blathering though. I'll give you that.

>>2178566
That actually looks like a purebred. Did I just get caught in the trap of trolling?

I am taking care of a black lab and he looks just like that minus the fur color.

>pitbulls are only a product of their environment

is this the case with other animals too? can i get a pet polar bear or tiger and as long as i raise it right it will never attack anyone?
if not, then why are pitbulls different

>>2179098
Yes, it's a source within a source there. I posted the whole thing because it also backed up other parts of my argument, and didn't want to add multiple sources from the same address especially when they are in one another. so you would have had to actually read it. Sorry I expected too much from you. Next time actually read before replying. I know it's hard because they are actual journals.

>>2179137
Well for one, polar bears aren't domestic and dogs are. So there's that difference.

>>2179137

To an extent yeah. Why do you think zoos train their animals and expose them to things like vet care when they're young? The effect is even more pronounced in domesticated animals like dogs.

>>2179139
Whatever liar. You're just mad.

>>2178834
>hur dur burgers need gun control because muh nigger gang shootings in the strictest gun ownership cities
>meanwhile europe has a snackbar attack everyday
Now if only you guys had something to protect yourselves with.
Hmmm really makes you think

>>2179137
Yes if you've ever been on /an/ long enough you'd realise the russian where able to tame foxes.

You can do this with pretty much any animal. Then when you have selectively bred tame polar bears you can start breeding for certain temperaments and shit like that.

I'm perplexed as to why this isn't happening more often not so much with bears but smaller mammals foxes, racoons, those big guinea pigs etc...

>>2179148
Most shootings are legal owners attacking their friends and families.

>>2179156
Domesticate, not tame.

>>2179162
No first they selectively bred for tame foxes just onces you could handle without it trying to bite your fingers off.

Then they domesticated the tame ones. Trainable, obedient etc....

>>2179161
No, it's niggers killing each other with illegal guns

I used to like pitts because I thought they were nice pupperdooders just like all the other doggos.

About three years ago, I was walking up to my friend's house. I'd been there 30 or 40 times before, and there were constantly strange people coming in and out since there were so many roommates who'd have their friends over. So this dog (pitt/mastiff mix, about 90lbs) is used to people, and very used to me. I had snuggled him on the couch, played fetch, kissed his cute little nose, given him treats etc dozens of times before.

And as I walked up in the yard (dog is usually inside but they put him out for weather enjoyment sometimes), he started snarling at me, tail stiff, and started walking towards me. I slowly backed up, and then it started running at me and jumped for my neck. I threw my arm up, and thankfully the mouth hit my arm at a strange sideways angle, or it would have been a far more serious bite. Even with the lack of grip and how his teeth slipped off my arm due to the angle at which he bit me, it left a massive bruise from the force of his jaw. I was really lucky that one of the roommates heard me from outside and restrained the dog, or I'd definitely have died.

>>2178917
>equating enforced responsible ownership to racism and poverty

You really are this stupid

>>2178459
>dogbites.org
Into the trash it goes

>>2179161
>>2179165
Actually it's suicides. Remember suicide is a crime.

>>2178496

Agree with this and also the fact pit owners are usually the first to shit on other breeds like Chows, Akitas, Rotties or even smaller breeds like Chihuahuas or Poms for the EXACT SAME THINGS people hate pitbulls for. The "it's the owner not the breed" argument goes right out the window if it's not a pitbull for those types of people.

>>2179177
>hey guys, minorities really like pit bulls!
>ok, then let's tax pit bulls!

this is how racist you actually are.
sorry if that bothers you.

>>2179204
Nice racial profiling you have there but if you read my original post:>>2178598 my idea covers any dog that demand experience to look after.

This covers more dog breeds then just pitbulls.

>but anon, any dog can be demandin!1
Which is why the selected breeds would be approved by the appropriate organisations based on statistics and club ownership experience. We wouldn't be talking tiny little dogs, we're talking big, powerful and independent animals capable of serious harm.

>>2179209
if you think tiny dogs don't kill people you haven't read any of the statistics you pretend to consult.

it's quite likely that any science-directed law wouldn't find pit bulls to be a danger. They disproportionately maim people because they're disproportionately popular.

>>2179218
You're an idiot, they don't even rank in the top ten most popular breeds. But keep making excuses.

>>2179221
we're not talking about a breed.

>>2179225
>pit bulls disproportionately maim because they're disproportionately popular.
>the most popular bully breed is the Staffordshire terrier,
>the American bulldog, American pit bull terrier don't even make a top list anywhere.
>even taking into account the fact that they're often confused for each other and we just count them all as pits they still wouldn't be as popular as labs or german shepherd dogs.
>but we're not talking about a breed. Then what are you talking about?

>>2179218
>>2179225

Youre a 10/10 troll, you really are.

Because they're a retard magnet.

>>2179232
>>2179228
>count ten different breeds and a few million mutts when you count attacks
>only count one breed when you're counting popularity.
>thinks anyone will take them seriously

>>2179267
What are you even on about

>>2179143
Either you're too dumb to read or your counter argument is just that you're too dumb to read. But either way that doesn't excuse willful ignorance.

>>2179278
I think they are talking about how the term pit bull is actually an umbrella term for over 60+ breeds of dogs and all their mixes, but people are still using information as if pit bull is one single breed

>>2179399
Hey it's you again with your source less claims.

>>2179422
What do you want a source on? How to read?

>>2179424
How about
>only 3% of pits bred are APBT
>the term pitbull covers 60+ breeds

Oh wait you won't and will move the goal post and blame owners instead or point out other dog breeds.

>>2179424
Also a source on your claim that pit bull means mutt. No source for that one either.

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This was posted by a friend of a friend the other day. I scrolled through his wall and the dog seemed socialised, and he seemed a responsible dog owner.

new thread

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>>2180284
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>>2180395
>>2180395
Sounds unfortunate. What breed of dog was he? Who was the breeder? Did he observe the temperament of the sire and the dam?

Had the dog been socialised with the neighbours dog? Dogs are territorial/sexual creatures.

How high was the fence? Had he concreted under the fence to stop the dog digging under?

>>2178456
Just genocide them already

The sooner move on from this breed, the better for all of us

We should fund pitbull incinerators than recues

>>2180395
All he needed was someone to pick the dog up by the back legs and a break stick, what a fucking retard

Purebred dogs are bullshit in general.

>>2178779
Whats with the top rights back legs?
Looks painful.