why in western society being virgin (male or female doesn't

>>18700604
(((Them))). Leftism, broadly, given its obsession with tearing down moral pillars of society.

well if that's so then the "moral pillars of society" are so fragile

>>18700604
People are very insecure and shallow and can only attribute success to putting your pee pee in a vagina. So basically 40IQ bastards.

>>18700604
>>18700614
>>18700638
>>18700739
t.virgins

Because it takes a certain level of social skills to get laid; the younger you achieve it the faster you have developed those skills and bigger of an achievement it is.

>B-But I d-don't want to have s-sex
Literally every human being over 14 on the planet wants to have sex.

We live in a time when we have apps and websites that match you with thousands of people in your local area and you don't even need to talk with them in the real world until you've gotten comfortable with them over text chat there is literally no reason anyone over 18 or 19 should be a virgin unless there is something incredibly wrong with them.
Obviously some virgins are just christian or introverted but otherwise normal people but the vast majority haven't had sex because they can't so normal people don't want to hang around with virgins

>>18700739
Basically this. The only type of people who will look down on you for being a virgin, you can come up with much better reasons to look down on them.

>>18700604

Because sex is common, because having sex is natural, because you have to be a special kind of autist to not being able to get laid before you are 20

It's also about desireablity status: if you are not able to get sex you are not desirable, which means you are low on prestige.

Low on prestige = at the bottom = low status = scum

>>18700789
I've had more sex than everyone on /adv/ combined, but I think it is possible to placate yourself without sex with all the modern things we've made to satisfy ourselves. Hikikomori style.

>>18700789
Some of us don't want to have meaningless casual sex with people we don't know from Adam who might have diseases.
The social skill of drawing a random stranger to your bed is not the only social skill there is. If it's fun for you, sure, go for it, but we're not the poorly socialized ones for understanding the physical and emotional risks of casual sex and choosing to play things relatively safe.

t. socially well-adjusted guy who lost his virginity at 22 and turned out fine

Because for many people sex is common and fun, they can't see why people would not have sex, let alone choose not to.

In my experience people won't think less of you for it if you show them that you aren't a social retard.

>>18700789
Just like i said only 40IQ bastards.

Yes I'm a virgin but it was my choice. I know i could have easily banged someone by now but it just seems like something to save. You just state that there is literally no reason anyone to be a virgin, what you want me to stick my dick in a chick and suddenly everything changes? It's people like you who have this high ego and spread bullshit like this.

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>>18700830
>I know i could have easily banged someone by now
Stopped reading there, virgin.

>>18700604
Because it implies that you're took ugly/broken to attract a member of the opposite sex. Nobody wants ugly and/or broken people. I had to hire an escort to lose mine as I am both ugly and broken

>>18700789
So what you're saying is that if you pay a hooker to fuck you, you have good social skills and thereby got someone to fuck you. Or people having sex at a party after getting drunk, with no birth control, and having to worry about a kid is an accomplishment cause sex. Or if you're five years old and your raped it's extremely amazing cause you're so young.
I'm sorry but this is the most retarded thing I have read all day. Plenty of reasons for people to not want to have sex. Kids, STD's, saving it for later. I happen to be related to someone who had a kid at the age of 15 and I think she's one of the dumbest people on the planet for doing shit like that at her age. You're just as bad as

>>18700916
>When you talk about someone being retarded and then don't even finish your post
God damn it. I meant to say you're as bad as she was.

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>>18700604

>why in western society being virgin (male or female doesn't matter) is look down upon?

It isn't. Virginity is a conversation that doesn't really happen outside the walls of high school. Kids make fun of each other about everything so you can't really claim that a bunch of teenagers bashing each other because they've never touched a vagina is indicative of "western society".

Alternatively, the adult stigma of virginity doesn't really have much to do with the actual act of sex itself. People are immediately suspect of someone who has symptoms of social dysfunction. It has more to do with "why don't other people like this guy enough to fuck him" as opposed to "why hasn't he had sex". People would look at you just as strangely as an adult virgin if you said "I've never had a friend before." or "I've never been invited to a party". People who struggle to socialize and make social connections are viewed with suspicion and sex is just one aspect of that. Its the same reaction you get when you go online to buy a product and you see that it has zero reviews or ratings. Regardless of what quality that product may or may not be you're going to be immediately suspect of the fact that no one else has purchased it. Its a natural self-defense mechanism and simple logic to be wary of a person that isn't desirable to other people.

In summary, its not the act of not having sex that people are adverse to, its individuals who have failed to meet fairly normal developmental and social landmarks in their lives; this of course is less true for people who have voluntarily decided to remain celibate for outsides reasons.

being a male virgin is unattractive. i wish i could have a body count of like 50 + sluts or better, being in a relationship with someone that cares about me but im a 19 years old introverted. i like listening to other people talking especially older people (40+ years old) since they usually tell good stories about things that happened to them for example but my brain is always empty in those scenarios. nothing to say, i just listen. the only moment where i find it easy to join in is when the conversation is work related. if not, my brain is gonna be on idle mode. it really amazes me how normal people can come up with stuff to talk about, i guess you need a certain level of IQ to be able to have normal healthy human conversations. One thing i'll never forget is when i got to work and one of my coworker (a very chill guy) was already there in the parking lot (which is about a 100 meters from the actual workplace) just chilling is his car. he saw me parking my car and walked towards the driver's seat window and started talking to me. we talked for a few seconds and he then he went away and started heading towards the building. About 15 seconds later i get out of my car and start walking. i look down on the ground for like 5 seconds and then at my surprise when i look up again. i see my coworker just standing there and looking at me. That guy actually waited for me. Despite being the social retard mess introvertard faggot joke that I am, he had enough respect for me to just stand there and wait for me. what a great guy.

>>18702012
also i was a literal NEET for a year before i turned 18. that negatively affected my social skills. i was already a shy retard before and people mocked me for it but NEETing only made it worse. I recovered since then but I am still a joke. And that's why i'm still a virgin

>>18700789
This guy said it all.

Having sex is a form of social validation, it means you are successful enough or sociable enough to find a female to be with in our very harsh and competitive sexual marker.
It's really the most basic explanation.

Really if you're a late virgin, you will have an even harder time making friends feel like you are still a grown child compared to other men around you and find yourself uneasy in parties or around girls.

And please for the love of God, stop saying it was your choice...

>>18700604
People don't look down on the fact you're still a virgin
Still being a virgin after a certain age shows that there is less visible, harsher problems with you

Being a virgin isn't a problem, the reasons you still are are the problem

>>18702058
>Don't look down on the fact you are virgin.

They will consider you immatute and somewhat inferior though.
I was a virgin until 24yo.
I regret not letting go of it sooner.

Ever since I had sex I became a much sociable person than before.

>the reasons you still are, are the problem

I have this theory that being a virgin at a late age makes you drag on and pile up social incompetence and emotional immaturity that makes you harder to find a girlfriend as you age.
Grown girls don't like desperate and horny men, and want to be with an experienced and confident man.

Things a late virgin is not and cannot become with a girl that already has more experience(except on rare occasions).

>>18702024
Changing and change in general is hard, believe me I know.
Don't let bad experiences put you down, this is the only step between being a struggler and being a loser.

Go and meet people, tons of people will hate you but simply go for it and don't expect anything from anybody.
That is it.

Girls will only come to you if they see you are socially accepted.

>>18700604
It's not. Being morally superior about virginity is looked down upon.

People are people and people have sex. Being a judgmental asshole about whether or not you're doing it is shitty and makes you a shitty asshole.

>>18702073
I'm thinking of installing Tinder honestly. Screw it i remember how barely a few months ago I was telling myself that I'm gonna keep my virginity until i meet the girl i'd like to marry but screw it. i really feel like my virginity is socially obstructing me and it's not like it's an attractive feature. Female virginity might represent purity but it sure as hell is not the case for male virginity. I'm 19 turning 20 in about 4 months. i can't let this drag me any longer.

>>18702128
>I was waiting for the right one.

You're basically doing a virgin's first mistake.
To sacralize sex and intimate relationship.
You don't even realize that as time pass you become weaker for it.


Virginirt is not socially obstructing its the consequences of it.
Are you comfortable around girls? Are you the kind of guy that starts getting nervious and horny when any girl approaches you?

>I'm sure as hell it's not the case for male.

Females are the ones who own the market, obviously a female virgin may have more worth depending on how she is.

So basically, if you're a late, introvert virgin with no social skills, there's absolutely no hope for you.
Good to know, I still had hope. Now I can proceed with no regrets.

>>18702163
Where did you get such a retarded idea from?

>>18702163
Social skills can (must) be learned.

>>18702170
My life.
And also, everything I read about things like these confirms it.
>>18702172
To me, it seems like a ship. Once it sails, if you're left behind, you can't do much about it.

>>18702163
No there is still hope, however you have to be patient.
You're basically just going to have to become whatever you are afraid of and go out of your comfort zone.

What you all virgin boys are afraid of is rejection.
And that is alright because rejection is never good to feel but it happens.

Be a nice person, with integrity and show qualities.
That's literally it.

When you build a social circle and have people around you, you may still not find a girl, however it is mandatory and you will at least get rid of your social anxiety.

Getting a gf and losing your virginity shouldn't be your end goal.

>>18702176
>To me, it seems like a ship. Once it sails, if you're left behind, you can't do much about it.
It's not, it's actually hiking
You just have to not give up before starting

>>18702181
Rejection doesn't really scare me and I don't really even care about a getting a girl or getting laid.
It's failure that scares me.
For example, I won't hit the gym because I know I'm gonna quit in a week, so what's the point?
I've been failing my whole life, so why try when I know I'll fail anyway?

>>18702201
You need some self-confidence

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>>18702205
Yeah, I'll just buy some, is it expensive?
Can I order it online?

>>18702208
>Yeah, I'll just buy some, is it expensive?
See >>18702172

>Can I order some online?
Actually you can

>>18702208
Do you feel good about yourself or that you are good at something you can display to others?

Here you have it.

Becoming socially validated is long-term plan it doesn't happen fast.
But more importantly don't seek acceptance from others but yourself first.

You wanna get laid? Pay for an escort, whats the big deal?

One thing people don't mention ITT is the role external looks have on someone being or not being a virgin. If you're a chubby, balding asshole with a hairy body and extremely ugly face no one short of a hooker is ever going to sleep with you. It's still a failure, but not a "social failure" like >>18700968 or >>18700789 imply.

- 23 yo, chubby, balding asshole with a hairy body and an asymmetrical face.


>>18702073
I think you have the shoe on the other foot. Being socially awkward makes you a virgin, not the other way.

>>18702213
Does your namefagging mean you fuck escorts or are one?

>>18702216
Idiot. Ugly guys get laid just fine as well. And there are good-looking virgins who can't get girls because they are sperglords.

>>18702218
Those are outliers, though. They are notable precisely because of their (relatively) unlikely existence.

>>18700789
>Because it takes a certain level of social skills to get laid
Anyone can fuck an ugly chick regardless of social skills, it's just that most guys aren't that desperate for sex and would rather wait it out in case they can lose their virginity to a 7/10.
>>18700789
>We live in a time when we have apps and websites that match you with thousands of people in your local area
If you want to look extremely desperate and ruin your reputation.
>>18702201
You honestly shouldn't even be trying to pick up women unless you believe yourself to be in the top 20% of male attractiveness/charisma. It's only the top 20% of men fucking 80% of women, if you're just an average guy you'll only be getting bottom of the barrel fat girls at best.

>>18702222
They are not the outliers, they are the norm. The outlier is you. Everyone else who looks like you manages to get girls because they are not an angry desperate sperglord.

>>18702230
Take your retarded 80/20 meme back to /r9k/.

>>18702216
In my experience fat guys are super overconfident for some reason and skinny guys are more reserved. I think it has to do with fat people having less impulse control, so they just say whatever is on their mind.

>>18702213
I don't wanna get laid though, I couldn't care less, I just want a social life.
And no, there's nothing good about me. I'm a fat loser NEET with no education, job experience or anything of value.

>>18702234
It's the truth though, source: any dating app in existence. A girl who makes a tinder profile will get matched with almost every guy she right swipes but an average looking guy will only get matched with a couple attractive girls he right swipes, and those couple of girls will have tons of other options. Never used tinder myself but I've seen other decently good looking guys' results and it's consistently like that. Even a 6/10 girl has the ability to fuck basically any guy she wants, so if she's just looking for casual sex obviously she'd rather fuck the 10/10 model tier chad than the 6/10 normie guy.

>>18702217
I fuck escorts on regular basis to stay away from the dating scene.

Dating sucks, and anyone who thinks it is important to find love or be with a girl that likes you is deluded, I'm 100% positive on that.

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>>18700789
/thread

>>18702216
Pic related

>>18702238
>Source: memes of bitter virgin manchildren
Fixed that for you. How mentally damaged do you have to be to believe that 20% of males have sex? And at the same time 80% of girls do?

99% of men get laid. If you can't get laid, you are in the bottom 1%. Not 80%.

>>18702248
I'll be more clear, 99% of men get laid eventually, the majority of men don't get laid in their early 20s because young girls only fuck the top 20% until they get tired of being pumped and dumped and settle down with a wageslave beta male who can financially support them.

>>18702237
Then have it your way.
I can't tell you what to do anon, but seeing how you speak of yourself it's obvious you are making yourself hopeless.

You can't have a social life if you hate yourself.
Getting fit a losing that fat for instance is going to be an achievement that will make you proud.
Why not work for it?

>>18702252
And you cannot back up this retarded cuck fantasy with a single fact.

>>18702252
The majority of men get laid in their early 20s. Something like 10% of men are still virgins at that age. Facts are just not on your side.

>>18702255
It's simple biology. Men have an infinite amount of sperm so their instincts drive them to reproduce with as many females as possible, so their standards are low. Women have to invest a ton of time and energy into making a baby so their instincts drive them to be pickier about who they have sex with and only have sex with a small amount of men who appear to have the best genes. This is why the concept of alpha males is still well and alive today.

>>18702258
They get laid because they either settle for an ugly chick or bought a prostitute. Needless to say the vast majority of guys in their early 20s are not having sex routinely.

>>18702262
>>18702264
Seriously, fuck off back to /r9k/. You don't want to be helped.

>>18702258
>The majority of men get laid in their early 20s.
seriously? I thought I was a late bloomer because I didn't get inside until I was 17.

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>>18702186
So if you're late, you will likely not catch up to the group, but rather go alone for the whole time and likely get lost along the way? Sounds about right

>>18702271
You fuck off, at least I'm being honest. Real women aren't like your anime girls, they're cruel and dishonest. They will hurt you if they have nothing to gain from you. But keep on taking your blue pill anon, whatever works for you.

>>18702282
Until they hit their later 20's and early thirties. Young women are shit.

>>18702282
>dateless virgin manchild thinking he is an expert on women and calling anyone bluepilled

>>18702445
Lost my virginity last year at 19 but ok.
>http://www.tinderseduction.com/male-model-tinder-case-study/
Look at how easy it is to get laid if you're a 9/10 or 10/10 guy. Considering the sex drive of the average man, if you honestly believe these types of men aren't fucking a new girl every night you're viewing the world through rose tinted glasses.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/2g50c9/women_rate_80_of_guys_as_worselooking_than_medium/
Furthermore, women are far pickier and perceive more flaws in physical attractiveness than men do. 80% of the male population is ugly to them, 20% is attractive, while men find 50% attractive and 50% ugly. This again points to the existence of alpha males in dating.

>>18702522
Please no. Those links are posted on /r9k/ every day. Those "studies" are either completely made up or wild jumps to conclusions. It's nothing but bitter virgin manchildren seeing what they want to see. You have to be exceptionally stupid if you think that 100% of the "girls" replying to the catfish would have sex with him. But then again /r9k/ is by far the dumbest board on the site.

For someone who is not a bitter virgin, you sure act like one. Why else do you immediately post the same old meme /r9k/ links?

>>18702534
I've never even gone on /r9k/, you sure seem to know a lot about it though.

The stats are from OkCupid and they have nothing to gain from faking them. You can't prove those are all catfishes either. Typical female response though. Call someone a virgin then say "no, no, no, you're wrong, you're wrong, no"

>>18702554
That tinderseduction is a blog by a bitter virgin manchild. There is nothing scientific about it. Why are you so desperately clinging on to the retarded 80/20 meme?

>>18702564
It's an obvious fact of dating. Every social setting you go in you'll see it. In high school there was always a couple guys who fucked 10+ hot girls while not even trying while average looking guys had to make a huge effort if they wanted a girlfriend.

This is partly because women all have the same tastes. They all want tall white men with muscular builds, confident personalities and big dicks, so since they all have the same tastes in men, they all end up being attracted to the same few men in every social setting. Maybe there will be outlier women who are attracted to Asian men for instance, but they're few and far between.
>https://theblog.okcupid.com/race-and-attraction-2009-2014-107dcbb4f060
>http://news.rice.edu/2014/02/10/is-height-important-in-matters-of-the-heart-new-study-says-yes-2/
Men, on the other hand, have very diverse preferences when it comes to women. Some men like tall women, others short. Some men like asian women, others white or latino. Some men like shy girls, other men like talkative girls. Some men like big boobs, others like flat chests. They're also more willing to compromise.

So when women only want a few men, and men want the majority of women, what you get is a minority of men fucking a majority of women.

Also what I wrote before >>18702262

>>18702618
Nice /r9k/ copypasta.

>>18702522
>19
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>>18702618
the sad part is you have no idea how disillusioned you are. pathetic life you must have.

>>18702723
You don't even know what disillusioned means.

>>18702618
>men and women are roughly equal in number
>only a small number of men have sex
>every woman has sex
Your math is off.

>>18702244
>Posting pic from ntr hentai
>argument

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>>18700614
Calm down there, Giorgio

>>18702152
Lol I don't get horny around females and when talking to them I can sometimes get slightly nervous tho i would say it used to be allot worse before.