I'm out on a date with this guy and I clearly told him I

>>18691088
>I say making out is okay but NOT MORE

don't start something you can't finish, for real.

>>18691137
Don't listen to this fucking pleb..if you don't want penetration then you don't want penetration fucking end of story.
Get away from this guy immediately. I mean, fuck..I would tell you to go to the police but I have a feeling since "nothing happened" you'll be disappointed with how they handle things.

>>18691137
No fuck off. I want to take things slow and gradual, and I don't want to get with someone who doesn't listen to me. If you don't want that fuck off and don't try to rape me or I'll make you rot in jail.

>>18691137

Most girls like OP are fucking retarded. They think they can do stupid shit without any consequences. It's like they want to get raped

>>18691150
Ah, but how can you tell in advance if the guy is going to listen?

>>18691137
Fuck you, and fuck that would-be rapist.

I'm sorry OP.

gotta be more specific anon, these days a guy looking at a girl the wrong way is "rape". Is this a "he touched my leg while we were making out" rape? Or something legit?

Also you need to make it REAAAAAALLLLY clear to him what is/is not ok. My first gf was into getting raped and left hints like "I hope you dont rape me", then basically begged for it, like she would say "stop" or "donnnnt" but she got off on that shit.... (taught me not to stick my dick in crazy though, sucks she was my first).

Anyway just needed some clarification, because if your not REALLY clear he might think thats your kink.

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>>18691158
One idea is to date older men. They're so thrilled to be getting anything from a hot young woman that they don't do anything to mess it up.

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>>18691088
I'm gonna have to apologize, men are literally monkeys now that can't control their hormones, dunno why, we're just like that.

Find a better man I guess.

>>18691158
You tell me. I was thinking becoming a dictator and having a death chip installed in the brain of all males so that the moment they attempt rape their head literally explodes, but I'm open to suggestions.

>>18691137
bullshit
my gf and I agreed on that and it worked just fine
dude was a jerk, though in today's society, sex is often seen as an icebreaker more than something intimate anymore

>>18691145
This, if a girl tells me no, I know she's done, so I stop. If any guy tries to go farther, get the fuck out of there and never contact him again.

>>18691173
As you get older, you'll come to view vanilla sex as the same as you now view making out.

>>18691166
Yes it was fucking clear and the fact I am NOT WILLING is what makes it rape. If I don't want to and I tell you so and you don't fuck off and stop, that makes it rape. Get it hon?

>>18691179
What age do you think I am?

>>18691190
Young enough to still care about making out.

>>18691198
TIL >30 is still young. Thank you.

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>>18691183
What he did exactly?

>>18691183
lol honestly no, you sound like you just turned 18 and this is the first guy you have been with.

Still didnt say what he "did" so cant really judge.

Second like I said, some girls are into that shit and drop subtle hints that they WANT to get raped, its literally a kink to some of your more psycho grade chicks. Some even have bf "sneak" into their apartment to "rape" them.

I believe that you believe you made it obvious, but he might not have got it. Like I said we have no context on your conversation with him so it couldve been super casual over dinner, or you couldve sat down with him and gave him a "talk". All you have said so far is "I made it clear", what were your words exactly?

Like I said anon, cant really help you with a bare-bones "he raped me" accusation because they are 1-1,000,000 and these days "rape" could literally mean inappropriate touching.

Tell the guy BEFORE you go on a date that you want a serious long term relationship and will not have sex until you are sure a future together is a possibility. This will ward off a lot of the guys looking for a quick lay. Also don't "make out". That is the stage leading up to having sex. You know of blue balls? Men literally feel physical pain from getting really turned on and then not ejaculating. We are programmed with a need to mate and going halfway and then saying no is like waging a steak in front of an untrained dogs face and expecting him not to eat it.

Find a proper gentlemen who is not ruled by instinct.

>>18691222
lol no, that's definitely first date material. You don't hit on someone and bring that up.

Also lol @ blueballs being that bad, control yourself, it's not that hard.

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>>18691222
Blue balls don't hurt, and even if they did, that's not an excuse to rape someone or whine until they begrudgingly have sex with you.

You're fucking pathetic.

>>18691213
>at my place in the living room
>we talk
>he goes in for the kiss
>I said making out is okay so I allow the kiss
>I also said I didn't want anything more than that
>he starts trying to feel me up
>I grab his wrist and force his hand off
>break the kiss and tell him that's enough
>tries to kiss me again
>I back away and say NO, again
>tries to grab me, I go into panic mode because HELP I'M GOING TO GET RAPED
>grab frantically glass bottle I had placed on the table in case of shit like this
>smash it on his head
>run out screaming HELP RAPIST THERE'S A RAPIST at the top of my lungs
>knock on lady neighbor's door
>explain the situation
>she calls 911
>I stay with her the whole time the police arrives and brings away the guy who now has a bloody head because I'm still fucking terrified
>police take my testimony
>they escort the guy out probably to a hospital, I was still too scared for myself to worry about him

I decided not to press charges because I hope getting a bottle smashed on your head is enough to make you understand what you did is wrong. Should I have? Should I next time?

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> Do I need to fucking threaten death on the next guy to make him actually fucking listen to me when I say I want a serious, loving, committed relationship first and that when I don't want to have sex, I don't want to have sex?!

No? You literally just filtered a shitty potential partner. If you're going to prevent retards from making retarded decision you're going to end up with a retard. If you have to emphasis your point that much before he gets the idea then what makes you think they are worth being with?

>>18691238
>>18691229
>Blue balls don't hurt
You clearly never had them. I did an experiment where I edged 3 times a day for a week straight without ejaculation and it was extremely painful.

I am not making excuses for this guy. I am simply giving a logical/biological explanation for his actions and how to avoid the same happenstance in the future. Like I said find a gentleman instead of whatever trash OP brought home and you won't need to worry about it.

>>18691217
Listen I love 50 Shades of Grey as much as the next chick, but I love it because it's a book and a fantasy, i.e. I control it completely. I don't want it to happen in real life because in real life I can't control it completely. Capisce? Don't try to use that as an excuse to rape anyone because it's 100% bull.

>>18691222
>Tell the guy BEFORE

I DID, DIPSHIT.

He pretended he was listening to me when he clearly didn't give a shit.

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>>18691172
whiteknight: the post

speak for yourself, peasant scum

>>18691262
>3 times a day for a week straight

well that's just full retard anon, they're talking about one night with blue balls. That's like saying "holding your breath for 3 seconds isn't that hard, and you coming up and saying 'well I held my breath for 30 seconds and it was hard'.

like no shit.

>>18691249
I think the guy should be more worried about possible brain damage/mtbi than you.

>>18691222
>is like waging a steak in front of an untrained dogs face and expecting him not to eat it.

You just compared all men to untrained dogs?

>>18691288
Well he brought it on himself. He should have respected me and not tried to be a rapist.

>>18691249
Alright.. I mean, you might have jumped the gun by bashing him over the head with a bottle..but you still had a right to be angry/scared.

Why do you have such an intense fear of being raped? Have you?

Curious... because I actually have. But, I entered a (safe loving) long term relationship afterwards. However, I'm now single and I might have to deal with over-eager guys shortly :\

>>18691277
>He pretended he was listening to me when he clearly didn't give a shit.

You gotta follow up on your words with your actions. Finish your date and say goodnight and maybe one kiss goodnight. Don't invite him in and if he tries to get you to let him in then don't. Going back to someones home after a date implies sex the majority of the time.

>>18691302
I don't give a FUCK what it IMPLIES. Just because you enter someone's home with them doesn't mean you can automatically enter THEM. The fuck.
>not OP

>>18691293
No I compared uncivilized men to untrained dogs. Are you saying a potential rapist is better than an untrained dog?

>>18691295
>you might have jumped the gun by bashing him over the head with a bottle

Why? What should I have done? Wait until he had overpowered me completely and I couldn't defend myself anymore? Talking wasn't getting me anywhere.

>Why do you have such an intense fear of being raped?

Because it's a horrible, painful, disgusting violation of myself that shows nothing but disrespect and I don't want it to happen to me? Were YOU happy getting raped?

>>18691302
>implies sex
>implies
Nothing implies sex other than the act itself

>>18691318
And bringing someone home and making out with them leads to what exactly?

>>18691310
You sound like a stupid, irrational cunt. Hopefully the next guy finishes the job and rapes some sense into your stupid ass.

>>18691302
>You gotta follow up on your words with your actions

I did, didn't I?

>Going back to someones home after a date implies sex the majority of the time

Fuck no that's bullshit. I like hanging out at home because I'm a weeaboo basement dweller that hates going out. Doesn't mean shit in regards to whether I want to have sex with someone or not. Don't make fucking assumptions you piece of shit, because you're gonna be sorry and WRONG.

>>18691329
fucking this!

>Kissing is ok
>tries to go back to kissing after getting the D rejected
>RAPE.JPG

fucking christ....nothing but sage for this dumb cunt.

>>18691326
Filtering out who cares about you and respects you and who doesn't.

>>18691326
>>18691326
Have had stories from guys where they were naked with the girl and the girl backed out of the deal, so the guy just put his clothes back on and they watched TV. This stuff happens a lot, and is common, if someone doesn't want to have sex with you then you should stop, even if you're 2 inches away from inserting your penis inside them, if you can't do that then you become a rapist.

Though I'll admit OP does sound a little bit cookooo

>>18691343
its called being a cocktease, these women deserve what they get.

>>18691347
If you dont want the D, dont show the P.

>>18691340
>tries to go back to whatever after you've been told THAT'S ENOUGH
>not rape

Are you a fucking idiot?
Do you need it spelled out that when I tell you STOP you have to STOP and no I don't want to go back to kissing or whatever because I already said ENOUGH?

>>18691332
Actually guys do think sex can be involved if you invited them back home. Maybe next time don't shave your legbeard.

>>18691352
Except nobody showed anything?

>>18691347
>these women deserve what they get
I disagree no one deserves to be raped

>>18691360
>guys do think sex can be involved if you invited them back home.
Simply not true

>>18691360
>Actually guys do think sex can be involved if you invited them back home

Well that's wrong. Especially when I already told them no and that I don't want to have casual sex.

>>18691354

lol English must be your second god damn language, no wonder he didnt fucking get it.

If I were him I wouldve thought you said STOP as in stop touching, since kissing was ok from the start Ill go back to that since she was A-OK with that from the jump....

You cant explain yourself here other then "BUT MUH STOP!". Fucking explain yourself or enjoy actually getting raped next time, because it will happen if you keep saying vague shit like you are here.

>>18691360
>make it clear sex is not happening
>men are so retarded they expect it anyway just because of a particular setting even though you've already made your intentions clear

>>18691332
>Don't make fucking assumptions you piece of shit, because you're gonna be sorry and WRONG.

I am arguing from a purely logical standpoint while you are arguing from an emotional one. If you do not like my logical advice then you do not have to take it but know that it is sound advice which will ensure this does not happen again in the future.

As for assumptions I am not making any. I am just stating how it is. Doesn't matter what you intend to do. If you ask a guy back to your place he is going to assume that means sex nine times out of ten. Whether or not he respects your denial of his advances depends on the individual. Like I said before, choose better men and it won't happen.

>>18691377
>If I were him I wouldve thought you said STOP as in stop touching, since kissing was ok from the start Ill go back to that since she was A-OK with that from the jump

>break the kiss and tell him that's enough
>tries to kiss me again
>I back away and say NO, again

Where I am being A-OK in this? I was not A-OK with it anymore the moment I told him that's enough and if he wasn't a rapist he would have stopped and backed away. I made it clear I was NOT a-ok with it anymore.

>>18691396
>You ask a guy back to your place he is going to assume that means sex nine times out of ten

Well that's wrong. He needs to stop doing that. Especially when I made clear sex was not happening even if I invited him in to my place, especially since I was not inviting him in for sex but for my own personal reasons. Guys who make bullshit assumptions like that need to learn to listen to women and not be rapists, or be punished accordingly.

>>18691412
Why is this thread still going? You're arguing with a sperg who says what he did is wrong while majority of people are telling you that he shouldn't have done it which is the absolute objective answer. Case closed.

Let the thread die, what else do you want to hear?

Look, I'll be honest... fuck up the next gut to act like that... rapists don't give a shit about you, and honestly, you should not give a damn about hurting them... if he pulls this again, gouge out his eyes..

So what I'm getting from this thread is that men are literally brain dead apes that can't read body language, or take 'no' for an answer.
Huh.

>>18691446
Lessons from this thread:

1) Rapists should be castrated and thrown in dungeons
2) Sex without consent is rape no matter where and when it takes place
3) Sex should only happen when explicitly stated and either partner should stop when someone says no
4) /pol/ has ruined this website
5) OP is a bipolar drama queen sperg (reminds me of my ex)

Any questions?

>>18691169
Right idea but for the wrong reason. Older men simply know how easy it is to get pussy, and if a girl is not willing they simply leave her.

>>18691317
> were you happy getting raped

Op now you are being a real cunt. The fear of being raped is logical, I get where you are coming from. But there's no need to lash out at someone trying to help you with something as hurtful as this.

I'm not even the one who wrote that and as a woman who almost was raped it is disgusting to see you lash out like this.

The guy you met was in the wrong, but you are portraying yourself as a childish and insensitive bitch right now.

>>18691470
>why are you afraid of being raped?

You call that trying to help? Not only is that a fucking retarded question to ask, it's offensive too. Gee I wonder why could anyone ever be afraid of rape? It's just a horrible violation of yourself, I have no idea why anyone would not want to experience that!

>>18691479
Go bitch to tumblr. Leave the board for people that actually need help you psychotic cunt. You are the type of thing that ruins the reputation of us women.

The situation you faced was bad, you didn't over react but you need to stop getting off to your own shit and move on. Anon was trying to see if your reaction was hiding an underliying issue.

>>18691515
Anon should have worded their inquiry less idiotic if that was really their sole intention.

>>18691172
Please don't generalize an entire gender thank you.

>>18691515
Please never leave 4chan people like you are hard to come by.


And as for op. If I was the guy in said situation (totally could have been me) I would be permenantly blind due to health conditions and while you said making out is okay, getting handys is part of making out.

If your boy isn't running their hands through your hair/ on your ass or chest then you're not really making out just kissing.

Inb4 virgin; been with 5 to 10 partners three of them being long term.

>>18691515
>Anon was trying to see if your reaction was hiding an underliying issue

Genuine question, what prompts people to think there must be an underlying issue to someone defending themselves against a threat? If someone defends himself against a robbery do you ask him "Why are you so afraid of getting robbed?"

>>18691249
You violently assaulted an innocent man. I hope you get arrested, you deserve it.

>>18691515
>smashing a bottle on a guy's head possibly causing serious permanent damage is not overreacting
OP is a dangerous violent criminal and needs to be treated as such.

>>18691540
When she said "enough", "no", and pushed him away, that was the moment making out was not okay anymore. Pushing it after that makes it rape and she had the right to defend himself.

>>18691553
>himself
Herself. Hurr.

>>18691543
In this type of cases it might hint to prior abuse or that she has seen abuse happen. It's not as clear cut as robbery, unfortunately.

Though rn OP seems to be too far up her own arse to acknowledge any help to aid in her "healing". I would just leave the thread alone.

>>18691549
While it could have been considered self defense in this context, I'm starting to think that OP is dramatizing and defending her own impulsive violence so I'm starting to back out on defending her actions.

Unfortunately, court always sides with women in this type of things.

>>18691568
Asking someone why they're afraid of being raped seems pretty tactless and stupid to me though, given that being afraid of rape is normal and logical. I'd get offended too.

>>18691572
She made it clear she wanted him to stop and he didn't, attempting to rape her. Why shouldn't the court side with her?

If should have stopped the moment she showed she wanted to stop.

>>18691584
*He should have stopped

>>18691579
Anon had been in a similar situation (actually got raped it seems) so perhaps tact wasn't top of her list.

This still doesn't give OP the right to lash out with the "were YOU happy being raped?" That is just insensitive and childish.

>>18691584
We don't know if OP is lying or overdramatizing things. For all we know she is creating paper trail for assaulting someone with a bottle.

It is the internet, after all. If you read some of her responses you might find them unnerving at times. St least I did.

I'm not insensitive to the topic; i was almost raped not too long ago. But these type of accusations are being thrown too Willy nilly to enact revenge or ruin someone.

TLDR: OP could be a lying cunt.

>>18691589
When someone asks you a question a stupid as that after you've just risked getting raped, lashing out like that is only understandable. A question like that is only adding insult to injury. It's completely inconsiderate of OP's feelings of shock and anger, and it's not helping.

>>18691596
Exactly. OP can't be given a carte blanche for assaulting a man because she was yelling rape. I wonder if she has a history of screaming rape and assaulting men?

>>18691584
Hi there OP. No one else here is convinced that you "made it clear" and that he "attempted to rape".

>>18691596
OP could be a troll who just made this thread as a social experiment and you could be a lying cunt yourself who's claiming to be almost raped for e-authority points because in truth you're a man who can't stand seeing another man getting allegedly accused by a woman, so you gotta make shit up to defend him. Happens every day on 4chan.

I don't see anything outrageous in OP's replies. You tend to become angry like that when you risk your life and people ask you idiotic questions about it. The fact that anons itt are whining "but she said it was okay!" when OP made clear it was no longer ok is what worries me.

>>18691249
Lol. He apparently havent read the guide carefully.
>>18691475

OP, do YOU think he was a rapist?
If you do, your questions don't make sense to me.

>Did he think I wasn't serious?
He didn't care if you were serious or not, he wanted to rape you.
>Do I need to fucking threaten death on the next guy to make him actually fucking listen?
No. If he intended to rape you, he wanted to hurt you and nothing you had to say would affect it.

It's like a burglar broke into your house and you asked him not to steal something. Why would what you say make a difference when this person's motivation is to hurt you for their own gain?

So do you think he was a rapist, or do you believe the problem lies with your communication skills as your questions seem to say?

>>18691607
Her communication was fine though. She stated she didn't want sex outside of certain specific conditions and he didn't listen, and then told him no, that's enough, took his hand off and pushed him away, clearly communicating she was not willing anymore. It was his fault he ignored that.

Do you think women should pre-emptively assume all men are rapists and aren't going to pay attention to what you do/say?

>>18691152
You sound triggered

>>18691217
And some guys are into getting stiletto heels jammed into their urethras. What's your point? OP said she's not into that shit, you dense motherfucker.

>>18691222
Lol, you literally defend men in this situation by comparing them to untrained dogs. Thanks for the laugh.

>Should one event dictate how I treat 50% of the worlds population for the rest of my life?

Why not.

See, what you really wanted to seek in coming here was empathy, yet instead you vocalize it as an attack towards men.

I'm sorry that you had to go through that, there are a lot of shitty people in this world. You've survived, you've learned, now you can move forward and prevent such things from happening in the future.

>>18691612
>Do you think women should pre-emptively assume all men are rapists and aren't going to pay attention to what you do/say?
No, I'm asking what OP believes since she says he was a rapist, but she is asking about what to say differently to the next guy.
If he's a rapist, it wouldn't be about what or how she communicated. So no reason to treat the next guy differently to try to make him listen.

>>18691601
Speak for yourself. Telling someone to stop, pushing them away, holding their hands away, are all obvious signs you are not okay with their behavior unless you're absolutely brainless.

>>18691638
Well he tried to rape her so of course he was a rapist. But she couldn't have known that beforehand.

I disagree that she shouldn't treat the next one differently, since she already risked a great deal and next time she could be less lucky. Next one should be kept more at a distance and tested more thoroughly. If he doesn't show understanding and accepting, next.

>>18691646
I have the feeling OP just made up a plausible story to gauge anon's reaction and the reactions of anons here confirmed to me why so many here have trouble getting women.

>>18691647
I should clarify
No reason to threaten to kill him to get him to listen.
I was talking about OP's question specifically.
>Do I need to fucking threaten death on the next guy to make him actually fucking listen to me when I say I want a serious, loving, committed relationship first and that when I don't want to have sex, I don't want to have sex?!

>>18691088
literally ALL the bitches say the same just to put up a front of respectable human being. He probably just wasnt hot enough for you to go beyond that. Also wtf making out is ok? Like going to a lion with a sausage and tell him "you can eat this but dont eat me after that ok?"" be fucking realistic bitch

>>18691659
this is literally the normiest reaction, anons here have troubles with women coz they ugly af and socially retarded

>>18691668
That's obviously an hyperbole from an exasperated person.

It's true that a lot of guys don't care to listen to you. What women should know is how to recognize such guys and cut them out early. They lie, so it isn't easy. Often only when they try to force you do they show their real character. IMO being upfront to the point of being bitchy weeds out the bad ones the best, if they still pull any shit you did warn them.

>>18691672
That's not an excuse.

>>18691088
Now children, this is what we call a crazy

>>18691647
>he tried to rape her
That's a mighty big projection.

>>18691706
Why?

>>18691152
Basically this. Get a guy warmed up and then complain.

Granted you are stupid, doesn't surprise me that you end up with a stupid guy too.

That wasn't rape. You are too stupid to understand that calling rape to anything is actually removing the rightful attention that should be given to true rape victims.

>>18691753
Rape is sexual activity you don't want. No willingness = rape.
How is someone forcing sexual activity you don't want or no longer want not rape?

>>18691759
>girl is okay with making out and wants it
>guy tries more, gets told no, backs off
>gets back to making out
>now suddenly it's rape
This is why false rape charges result in jail time.

>>18691088
Not to defend that guy since he's clearly in the wrong.
But there are a lot of girls who say no despite meaning yes, this trains people like that to be more aggressive and risky.

>>18691773
>backs off
That's not what OP reported. She reported he insisted in his unwelcome actions.

>gets back to making out
He shouldn't have done that. She had communicated to him to stop, she had not yet communicated that it was ok to go back to making out. She had communicated it was not ok for him to continue.

>suddenly it's rape
Considering he deliberately ignored her request to stop, yes it is.

Just because something was ok before doesn't mean it's ok forever, unconditionally, or after someone has communicated to you the situation is no longer ok for them. Good men here stop and listen, try to make it better, and wait for the OK to go again. Anon autistically is not capable of reading a situation and ends up with a well-deserved rape charge.

>>18691789
The only well-deserved charge is OP for assault. Too bad the guy wasn't armed, he could have shot her in self-defense. OP is clearly a violent psychopath who shows no remorse for her actions. How many more men will she need to assault until she is finally jailed?

>>18691779
I think "women have rape fantasies so they want to be raped" doesn't hold water as an excuse. Fantasies are under your control. Reality is not. You cannot say someone who is okay with the former would be okay with the latter, or I can affirm someone who is ok with getting brutally murdered in videogames would be ok with getting brutally murdered in real life by the same principle.

>>18691811
>I think "women have rape fantasies so they want to be raped" doesn't hold water as an excuse

Not an excuse, first of all, which is why I made it a point to say that first bit of the post.
Second of all I wasn't going as far as rape fantasies, I'm just talking about the women wanting the man to take charge and sorta bring her out of her shell, it's incredibly common for girls to act shy and push away at first because they want the man to seduce them.

>>18691806
Why should hold remorse for self-defense?

>>18691553
>Pushing it after that makes it rape

No. No it fucking doesn't. Penetration makes it rape. How fucking retarded are you?

>>18691819
OP was not doing self-defense but full on assault. The guy would have been entitled to self-defense when a violent out of control woman attacks him out of nowhere.

>>18691710
He laid hands on her which is assualt at best. Not rape.

With no markings it isn't even assualy and a case if he said she said. Op is just covering for attempting to murder someone.

>>18691819
What would you say if the genders were reversed? Would you say it was ok for the guy to hit the girl with a glass bottle? Of course not. You'd say it's the man's fault. It's man-hating feminazis like you that give feminists a bad name.

>>18691815
Not in my experience. Even then, women are individuals too and they have no affiliation to each other merely because of their gender, so you cannot hold someone responsible by an unaffiliated stranger's actions.

Which is why I don't say "men are shit" but I can say "anon is shit" given the replies to this thread.

>>18691831
I feel like you're not even reading my posts.

You wrote it yourself, he seemed like he wasn't listening to you. Not trying to blame you, but he showed a clear red flag and you ignored it. If this had been a real criminal you'd be a goner the moment you let him cross your doorstep.

Just look at this thread, a handful are perfectly fine with laying hand on you if they're warmed up. And there's more where that came from.

>>18691880
Just look at this thread, a handful are perfectly fine with pressing false rape charges and attacking and injuring a man just because of his gender.

>>18691822
On what basis are you saying this besides your hatred of women? Where in OP's story does it suggest hers was not a reaction to a threat?

>>18691820
Lack of consent makes it rape.

>>18691888
A rape charge is not false if you didn't stop when she said no.

>>18691088
It clearly was a sexual assault and thankfully you avoided him having sex against your will. However, I would report to the police and file a complaint, its likely this guy has done this before and will again to a woman not so wise.

For future OP. Never ask a date into your apartment or go to his or a hotel or anywhere alone. I don't understand all the women that hook up on tinder with guys they don't know anything about. Rape will happen.

>>18691891
Read the thread. It's more than clear OP is mentally unstable. On what basis are you defending her actions besides your hatred of men?

>>18691317
No, I didn't say for you to wait..but jumping right to physical assault may have been too much too soon. But, then again, I wasn't there. I might've stood up and really raised my voice and told him to get the fuck out. That's all I'm saying..

Maybe that was a shitty question to ask of "why" but again, from what you described and the vibe of your original post I was trying to dig a little deeper and see if there wasn't more to it. Was I happy getting raped? No I don't think so. I can barely remember. And fuck you for asking something like that.

>>18691942
How is OP mentally unstable? She nearly got raped and that would make anyone shocked and angry, especially when in addition to the threat they receive antagonism from a bunch of bitter dudeswho have a history of hating women.

>>18691949
She was making out with a guy and then suddenly decided it was rape. You're letting your bitter hatred of men cloud your judgement. OP had a violent outburst where she could have killed the guy. She belongs in a mental ward before she actually kills someone.

>he starts trying to feel me up
>I grab his wrist and force his hand off
>break the kiss and tell him that's enough
>tries to kiss me again
>I back away and say NO, again

People are free to interrupt and quit any kind of sexual activity they may have previously agreed to whenever they prefer, and OP had clearly communicated her intention to stop and quit thrice to the guy. It was him who deliberately chose to ignore that.

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>>18691088
>goes on date with rapey asshole chad
>gets date raped
LMAO
serves you right fucking roastie

based chad of date-raping , he is doing god's work

i also really hope you cried alone in your room like a little bitch afterwards too, fucking retarded whore

>>18691992
That guy sounded more like an autistic robot.

>>18691088
>dates guys that just want to fuck
>surprised when they try to have sex

You're either a terrible judge of character or secretly like playing with fire.

>>18692032
Well if he was someone who follows shit like the red pill, he may have lied. That cult encourages men to lie and not listen to women.

>>18692010
>goes on date with insane psychotic
>gets date raped
LMAO
serves you right fucking roastie

based autist of date-raping , he is doing god's work

i also really hope you cried alone in your room like a little bitch afterwards too, fucking retarded whore


(but seriously speaking though the normies are the ones that sound autistic whenever they try to be serious, you probably have no idea what robots are like irl so i'm not believing you for a second anyways)

>>18692038
>what robots are like irl
Rapey and unable to read a situation judging from the replies here
Avoid them like the plague

>>18692046
in this post you can tell you are a woman since you are too stupid to make the difference between clearly two different kind of people :

1. clueless retards who honestly think he wasn't raping you, somehow

2. people who see he was obviously raping you, and are happy about it since honestly women deserve nothing but endless rape and misery

>>18692064
>implying robots aren't autistic enough and shitty enough to be both

when women say NO it means NO unless it means YES unless it means NO but maybe it means YES but most likely it means NO but really maybe it may mean YES

>>18692083
yep this
personally i think op didn't get raped but i am still happy that she got raped in her head

it's a lot like hitler didn't actually gas the jews but i am still happy that officially he gassed the jews

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>>18691088
If it smells like shit everywhere you go too, then you need to check your own shoe. And did you honestly condone killing random guys for not understanding your poor social cues? And afterwards you stereotyped half the planet because of a random douche... Are you a murderous psychopath or what? Also, being a woman does not entitle you to use violence against men. If you live under that assumption, then don't wonder why it'll bite back one day. Learn to communicate more clearly and don't be a bitch. The guy you'll settle with will be very unfortunate indeed.

>all those men defending a clear rape attempt

I mean, this is 4chan. I probably shouldn't be surprised, but still.

>>18692131
Using violence to defend yourself against a threat is justified if you've warned your attacker and he keeps trying to assault you and you're facing a threat to be raped.

Multiple people itt have stated her communication was clear enough for them. Why is it not clear enough for you?

>>18692155
>all those women defending a clear murder attempt

>>18692090
Kek this
Imagine you are the guy from OP's story, wtf are you supposed to do ?
>"hey let's make out but not more tee hee !"
>*kisses you*
>"oh you anon, stop it tee hee !"
what do you do ?
if you stop she thinks you are a pussy faggot and you will never see her again
if you don't stop you get smashed a bottle on the head and end up in the hospital

i mean lol there's no winning with women they are fucking retarded and don't know what they are doing
this is why we need sharia, let's just all convert to islam that will settle the issue

>>18692161
I bet you don't complain when it's Chad who murders you in Call of Duty, faggot.

>>18692165
>tee hee
Things that exist only in your head: the post

>>18692169
>implying chad is any good at call of duty

>>18692161
>thinking that killing someone isn't a reasonable response to being attacked
What a pathetic beta.

>>18692175
Pretending to be obtuse on purpose and avoiding the actual argument : the gender

>>18692184
What's your argument?
Girl makes rule for guy. Guy breaks rules. Girl tells him to cut it out. Guy doesn't and persists in rapey behavior. Girl reacts accordingly.

Where is your issue?

>>18692182
The only thing that got killed here is femanon's illusion of 4chan not being a den of NiceGuy scum.

>>18692211
Well, obviously since she didn't actually kill him. What's your point aside from the fact that disturbing amount of people here are rape enablers?

>>18692204
No she doesn't make any rule she makes a retarded woman statement like "let's kind of have sex but not lol" which means she probably wants sex ??? I guess ? How is he supposed to know ? He is not.

Then of course he should NOT respect the rule because she'd think he's a beta and reject him then. He needs to keep going because no means yes for women. But women being psychotic she then assaulted him.

So yeah.

Mind you i don't blame the woman, the woman is just being a woman it's like a wolf being a wolf you can't hate him for eating your sheep.
I blame the man for not doing it properly
He had to clearly tell her in the beginning "sorry no you want sex or you don't but i am NOT taking the risk of putting my dick in crazy" which is something all men should really keep in mind nowadays, because both putting and not-putting your dick in crazy is punishable by law

>>18692237
OP didn't say "let's kind of have sex but not." She stated the boundaries of what was acceptable and what wasn't. These boundaries are flexible of course, they can expand but they can also restrict. The moment she told him to quit it and acted to stop him was the moment he should have stopped.

The rest is bullshit.

>Come to /adv/
>Half the people actively defend rapists

Im not talking about those dumb bullshit scenarios where girls have sex then regret it. If shes saying no and to stop doing anymore and you take that as "Hah shes just being coy she secretly wants it" you need to fuck off.

>>18691137
I was on a date with a girl, and after getting comfy I went in for a kiss. She was hesitant, though.

So I asked if I had misread anything. She said no, just that she wasn't prepared to have sex with me, and that she didn't want to lead me on. I told her that I'm only enjoying myself if she is, and that if she wanted to stop anywhere, for whatever reason, that would be ok and I would stop, no questions. This made her much more comfortable, which makes girls a lot more playful. I got a blowjob like 30 minutes later.

I get it that "being super nice" hasn't worked out for you, so you think hating on bitches will help, but nobody wants to consider that maybe it's their self agonizing attitude that people don't like.

>>18692038
Holy shit, this.

Ive met lots of autistic robots irl who could hold really sophisticated conversations about actual issues, whereas a normie who can profess anything other than a pre-packaged opinion without sounding like an aspie is a rarity.

>>18691249
TL;DR he wanted to make out with you because you said that's ok but then you started to bitch around because you suddenly feel like making out is rape, people like you are the reason why rape will never be taken as serious as it should be

>>18691317
>Were YOU happy getting raped?
actually yes, it felt incredibly thrilling and it was the best sex i have ever had, though this is not something i'd admit publicly of course.

>>18691088
You, like most people, probably give humans too much credit. If you don't want to fuck, don't let a monkey boy make out with you, because they will likely get rough. Consider whether what happened or not was actually rape before telling everyone the guy is a rapist, and don't think you can force a person who is casually dating into seriously dating.

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>>18691543
because this is not a robbery or rape
this situation would be similar to you inviting someone into your house but when that person enters you beat him with a bottle because you felt like he was going to rob you

>>18692725
That's not what happened though. It's like inviting someone into your house and they start grabbing you. Don't tell me you wouldn't defens yourself. Fuck, so many bitter virgins on this board.

>>18692960
>bitter virgins on 4chan
YOU DON'T SAY!

>>18692960
that's literally not the case
you allowed making out/entering
that person makes out/entered

>>18691088
>guy touched my boob
RAAAAAAAPPPPEEEE

Seriously though, depending on how you worded it he might have understood it as "if this isn't going to be a serious loving relationship then I won't have sex." Conditional no to retards is not the same as a no. You should've left out the conditional part and just said no sex. Also, learn the difference between sexual assault and rape. If someone punches you in the face you're not going to start screaming that you're being murdered.

>>18692997
>you invited me into your house
>that means I have the right to spill all my shit jars all over your floor

Anon 2017

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>why can't I get a gf ;___;
>fuck you whore how dare you have conditions and your own opinions WHERE'S MUH SEX I AM ENTITLED TO IT

>>18693007
>implies something was done that wasn't done
>BUHU ANON YOU ARE BEING EVIL

>>18693052
>you invited me in on specific conditions
>let me ignore them and spill my shit jars all over your floor!
>y u so mad tho

>>18693059
>keeps saying that i spill shit jars
>doesn't realize that i did not do such a thing
i think you need a help anon

>>18691088
are you the same girl that was on here a couple weeks ago that thought all the guys who wanted serious relationships were too ugly/beta?

>>18693089
I know you're a retard so let me spell it out for you
Trying to force sex on someone who is no longer willing = spilling your collection of shit jars on your host's floor


NO IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NO GUARANTEE OF FUTURE RESULTS

repeat after me

PAST PERFORMANCE IS NO GUARANTEE OF FUTURE RESULTS

>>18693103
>trying to force sex on someone who is no longer willing
this has not happened though based on what was written

Why all the bitter virgins ITT mad that a woman changed her mind? Do they think they're entitled to sex?

>>18693117
Wrong, that's exactly what happened.

>I said making out is okay so I allow the kiss
>I also said I didn't want anything more than that
>he starts trying to feel me up
>I grab his wrist and force his hand off
>break the kiss and tell him that's enough
>tries to kiss me again
>I back away and say NO, again

>I back away and say NO, again
Does this sound like a willing person to you? It's not.
Nothing was okay anymore by that point.
Of course if you weren't a retard that deserves to die a lonely virgin you wouldn't need me spell it out for you.

>>18693131
that does sound like someone who suddenly has a psychotic episode and doesn't want to make out anymore.
in short no fucking rape

>>18693146
>doesn't want to make out anymore

And you know what it's called when you try to force someone who doesn't want to make out/have sex/blow your dick/have your penis in her vagina anymore anyway?

R A P E

A

P

E

Or sexual assault if you prefer, same shit in the end

>>18693158
make out and having sex is not the same thing you retard
it at best is sexual harrasment

>>18693158
>rape is the same as sexual assault
kys

>>18693181
>>tries to grab me
Nope that was a full on attempt at assault
And sexual harassment is pretty bad too, retard

>>18693191
i give you that
but it's not rape

>>18693146
Psychotic episode = self-defense

Almost had me.

>>18693196
>>18693183
Rape and sexual assault are pretty much the same thing
And you kys for acting like calling it "sexual assaul" makes it somehow better
pro-tip: IT DOESN'T
and the guy is a rapist for trying to force someone unwilling

>>18693209
>pretty much
so it is not the same thing?
it's irrelevant wether it's better or worse or dogshit
it is not rape fullstop

>>18693223
Yes it's is the same thing
and yes it is rape
Why you so triggered at rape being called rape?

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>>18693209
he did not try to fuck you since you made that clear from the beginning, he was merely making out with you and then you made the decision that you rather stop making out.
He then continued to make out, he did not try to shove his dick up your pussy or anything that would even remotely make him out to be a rapist.

>>18693230
We have two works for these two things because they are not the same
Definition Rape:
unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconciousness, or deception
Definition Sexual Assault:
illegal sexual contact that usually involves force upon a person without consent or is inflicted upon a person who is incapable of giving consent (as because of age or physical or mental incapacity) or who places the assailant (such as a doctor) in a position of trust or authority

>>18693232
>he did not try to kill you since you made that clear from the beginning, he was merely cutting you up and then you made the decision that you rather stop getting cutted up.
He then continued to cut you up, he did not try to stab his machete into your guts or anything that would even remotely make him out to be a murderer.

See how stupid your argument sounds?
The fact he continued after being told to stop is what makes him a rapist.

>>18693241
So both are unlawful sexual activity that is carried out forcibly, against someone's will. Thanks for proving my point.

>>18693245
you did not want to fuck
he did not fuck you
kys

>>18693283
>he did not fuck her
He tried to. That's attempted rape.

Leave him. The dude seems like a major asshole and the kind of person who would hit his wife in public. Any sensible man knows how to respect boundaries and knows when no is a no.

>>18693254
I love how the rape-enablers on this thread have devolved to arguing about semantics.

>>18693289
he did not try to fuck her
he grabbed her, based on what she wrote, to continue to make out with her
if he were to start taking of her or his clothes then i would agree as it stands, it wasn't attempted rape.

>>18693292
I bet they all open threads about how women don't like them even though they're all such a nice guy.

>>18693296
>he grabbed her, based on what she wrote, to continue
>to continue

>get told to stop
>attempt to force yourself on someone unwilling anyway
>not attempted rape

>if he were to start taking of her or his clothes
>it's only attempted murder if he ties you to a chair! You didn't let yourself get tied up, so he didn't *really* try to kill you!

>>18693296
>to continue to make out with her

Where did you get this? All she stated is that he attempted to grab her and it sent her into panic mode.

>>18691174
This. It's like they want to have sex to see if they should keep you around.

Instead the best sexual relationships happens naturally. I find when you invest deep feelings in a person first, it makes sex even better.

I would never have sex with a person on a first date. I need to know them as a person first, invest myself in them before having sex with them.

It's actually more exciting too. After knowing someone for awhile, there's a crazy rush of excitement, nervousness and anticipation seeing your partner naked for the first time.

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>>18692492
A guy tried to kiss her after she vaguely said "that's enough" after he performed an act that he might have thought was okay or he wanted to try his luck. Thinking she was referring to the previously mentioned act, decided to just go back to kissing since that was labeled as okay. He then gets a bottle smashed on his head.

You're right, that's textbook rape and I hope that OP gets tested because that rapist could've had anything.

>>18693316
because if he had started to get his dick out or her pants down then she would have written it
and without doing that there is no reason to assume that he wants to do something besides what he has been doing before.

>>18693337
>Thinking she was referring to the previously mentioned act, decided to just go back to kissing since that was labeled as okay

And gets pushed away again and gets told no for the nth time and tries to push on anyway despite multiple rejections which sends the girl into panic because hey, I'm telling this guy to stop and he doesn't, DANGER.

Should she have just laid there letting him rape her? You would be posting

>why didn't you do anything about it, why didn't you try to stop him

now.

>>18693341
Which he had already been told to cut it out and had no guarantee it wouldn't have escalated to worse given how he was already not listening to OP?

>and without doing that there is no reason to assume that he wants to do something besides what he has been doing before

Why? There's no reason to assume he wouldn't have escalated to worse either. He already was forcing himself on her against her will despite being rejected already.

>>18693358
>Why? There's no reason to assume he wouldn't have escalated to worse either
he could yes but that's not the case she never let it get to the part where it becomes attempted rape or actual rape
i am not saying that he didn't do anything bad
i am just saying that it was neither rape nor attempted rape

>>18693399
It was already attempted rape the moment she told him to stop and he didn't, trying to force it on her instead.

>>18691088
You caught a bad guy. I've been on countless dates with guys and told them I don't have sex on the first date and there has been some serious hot as hell makiing out and NONE of them have ever crossed the line or in any way made me feel threatened or pressured. On the other hand they've been really good at asking me if I'm okay etc. You went on a date with a rapist.

>>18691169
Older men often have the idea that they can do anything they want to a younger woman, so your advice is bullshit

>>18693348
Hi OP. I know this might be hard to grasp but kissing isn't rape.

>>18693434
Uh no, not all old men are perverts.

>>18693606
Excuse me but did you just fucking future rape her by giving her the idea that an older guy might not rape her which would then cause her to be raped which you allowed and that makes you just as bad as the rapist? I'm calling the police.

>>18693407
It was attempted murder the moment the girl went psychotic and attacked him with intent to kill.

For all the dudes saying "this wasn't rape, op is retarded" who cares? It's about respect and understanding, if a dude can't take a simple no as an answer then he didn't give a shit about what she thinks and forced it anyway.

>>18693623
Because if OP is blowing this much smoke how can you be sure of anything else in her story? For all we know she could even be downplaying smashing a bottle on his head. Yes, a guy that won't stop trying to kiss you after you said no is an ass. That doesn't make him a rapist. His extent of trying to rape her is the same as her extent in trying to kill him, if not less.

>>18691088
OP you should just kill yourself you fucking mentally unstable degenerate.

>>18693603
Did you know that pushing someone down during a sexual act when they said no and to stop has a high probability of becoming rape?

>>18691137

No she is in the right.

If the guy heard a clear "no lets stop" and attempted to force the issue, especially when she laid out the rules from the beginning than the guy is at fault here.

>>18694328
Did you know that OP wasn't pushed down?

Note to self: if your date is a bitter sperg, hit him, scream and run away as fast as you can because he'll try to rape you even if you said no.

You're all disgusting.

>>18691088
What were you wearing? Sometimes women are asking for it.

>>18693648
If he doesn't stop when she no longer wants to, he's a rapist and he desrves lynching

>>18691088
Wait until marriage, and you're good. Guy was a prick, and I hope you dropped him.
>>18691137
>t. Abibullah al-Majad

>>18691249
You are a dangerously naive cunt. Look, I understand the whole "let's wait on sex" thing. That's admirable and any guy who can't respect that isn't worth your time. HOWEVER you probably just horribly injured and incriminated a dude for being a dude. Do you understand anything about men or the masculine sex drive? Do you really think you can take a man to your apartment alone, engage in foreplay, then cut if off abruptly? What the guy did was not right. But it's probably what 7 out of 10 guys would have done in that situation. It's very unlikely he would have actually tore your clothes off and forcibly penetrated you.
I don't know; maybe he would have. What it sounds like, though, is that you have ruined a young man's life for acting horny. I've been at parties where girls have felt me up and touched me after I told them I'm not interested, or even "stop." Did I physically assault them and call the police? No, I handled it calmly like an adult. I know it's slightly different for women because it's easier for you to be physically overpowered, but I believe the principle remains the same. If you are going to invite a guy into your apartment and make out with him, be prepared for him to initiate, or try to initiate, sex.
I really hope you didn't ruin that guy's life.

>>18695371
Put beautifully.

>>18695371
Bullshit. He attacked her even after she had pushed him away, and that's a move a rapist would do. You keep telling girls not to put themselves in danger, she protected herself from danger and now you're acting like she should have waited to place herself in an even worse, more dangerous situation to act? So you can blame her for doing nothing effective to stop her rapist?

>>18695500
And she tried to kill him. OP is a murderer and should be placed in prison.

>>18695500
>He attacked her
Did he? Not even OP implied that, and she's a chronic liar.

>>18691152
I see this fag can't get any pussy. Don't listen to him.

>>18695946
He should have stopped. OP acted in self-defense. He didn't, too bad.

>>18696433
Guys, we're arguing in circles. Let's just agree that the rape-enablers in this thread will undoubtedly get thrown in the slammer after they "do what guys do", assuming they will ever see a pussy in the first place. Have fun getting anally raped.

OP is retarded.

My current GF will playfully say "no not here..." or stuff like that but we keep going. When she actively wants me to stop she puts her hand on my chest and says "Really no". Thats a clear sign for me to stop.

You need to not just say "no" (it should be enough but remember non-verbal cues etc), but say it firmly and attract the persons attention specifically during the moment so they focus on your refusal.
Because it is easy to be caught up in the moment when you're horny, both male and female.

>>18696433
Yeah, clearly her life was threatened when he put his arm around her when they were making out. Holy fucking shit OP better start teaching a self defense class.
>>18696517
The only thing getting raped is your worldview.

>>18691343

>Have had stories from guys where they were naked with the girl and the girl backed out of the deal, so the guy just put his clothes back on and they watched TV.

Yeah, they're called fucbois.

>>18691553

>When she said "enough", "no", and pushed him away, that was the moment making out was not okay anymore.

Legally speaking, yes. In practical terms, let's be clear; 95% of relationships that have ever happened would have never happened if the man took no for an answer the first time around or waited for affirmative consent..

There's a big difference between no and "no". When you invite a man that is sexually attracted to you in your home and make out with him, he had every reason to believe that you're telling him "no". The fact that you're an emotionally abusive cunt that was blue-balling by giving him an actual no in stark contrast to all other behavioral signals is your problem, not his.

>>18698164
There's no point in even arguing. She's so closeminded that it's literally impossible for her to be wrong. She didn't create the thread to see gain perspective, she just wanted a circlejerk about how strong she is for avoiding the evil pig rapist.

>>18697862
Her safety was when she told him to stop and he chose to ignore her. Why did he ignore her? Because he believes redpill "girls love to be forced" bullshit? That's rape culture.

>>18698164
>had every reason to believe that you're telling him "no"

No he didn't. This is a bullshit excuse rapists and rape apologists tell themselves to justify rape.

>>18698168
See this post.

>>18697827
She also pushed him away and off of herself.
Those are clear non-verbal cues he deliberately ignored.

>>18698395
> Why did he ignore her? Because he believes redpill "girls love to be forced" bullshit? That's rape culture.
While I object to the term, I never thought I'd live to see the day where I agree with a feminist. The guy was an inconsiderate cunt and got what he deserved.

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>>18691088
I'm going to give you some serious advice OP just in case this isn't a bait and you really want help about attempting to obtain a serious relationship where the partner respects you.

>Don't kiss on the first date. Don't imply you will kiss on the first date. Just give some hugs if you like the guy and a hand shake if you aren't interested during the first date
>Watch out for red flags and if you catch one, ask probing questions. Lots of men and women are really messed up as people and how they view relationships and the world. There is nothing wrong with asking a probing questions when your date brings up something that could be a red flag.
>If a date goes to kiss you before you are read then dodge it and tell them you are old fashioned and want to go on a few dates and get to know them.
>If they are not a man child they will get over this blow to their ego
>Don't go on a date with someone who uses pick up lines. Look to go on a date with someone who geniounly shows interests in similar activities, what you do for a job, or asks any questions that show interest in who you are as a person.
>After the first few dates, set your boundaries before you start "making out" and stick to them.
Best of luck OP.

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>act like a slut
>be surprised when you get treated like a slut

dont invite people you dont even know into your home you stupid cunt

>>18695371
>A dude for being a dude [bullshit]
Speak for yourself, buddy

>>18698460
>invites strange men into her appartment
what the fuck did you think would happen you naive little cunt? Youre parents should be shot for raising such a stupid bitch

Youre not going to make it

>>18698431
>Don't kiss on the first date.
>If a date goes to kiss you before you are read then dodge it and tell them you are old fashioned and want to go on a few dates and get to know them.

Any guy worth his salt is going to abandon a chick who keeps blueballing him like that. And a girl who sees a guy let that shit pass is never going to respect him. Basically that's awful advice.

>2 day old bait
For shame