Is it immoral when you have sex with a woman (or man if you are

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There is literally nothing wrong with fucking another man's girlfriend. If she cheats on him, it should remind him that he have to fight for his existence.

Why can't you just find another girl to have sex with?

>>18672725
Yes it is immoral, but do you care if it is should be the question. If you actually want to start a relationship with her, or be her friend it is something you shouldn't do. If it is a one time fuck then that is up to your moral compass.

>But I think there is no reason to be angry at the guy (or girl) who fucked your girlfriend (or boyfriend)
There are very valid reasons for them to be angry, extremely valid reasons. This is also a great way to get beat to shit, because he isn't going to hit his GF/BF he is going to vent that hate onto you because society will punish him less for unleashing hell on you.

I operate off of the mindset that it's not my job to police anyone to stay faithful in their relationship. I will check for a ring on their finger, in which case I respect it, but if I'm hitting on a girl and she fails to tell me she has a boyfriend, or is receptive, that's not on me.

For example, an old coworker had a boyfriend, but she was constantly all over me, and I was basically in love with her. She had a boyfriend, but I wasn't going to stop just because I knew that... she and I were a better fit. Sucks for him, but I'm not going to give up unless she tells me she's with him and to cut it out.

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>>18672742
Feels so much better to fuck another man's girlfriend. It's the most manly thing you can do, biologically speaking, tbqh thqh.

>>18672766
>Love her
>Started your relationship with her by infidelity instead of asking her to break up
You fucked yourself in the long run, relationships started via dishonesty end badly. You basically gave her a green light to do the same to you. The only valid reason to sleep with someone in a relationship is if it is a fuckem and forget thing. Even then you'd be a scumbag for doing it.

>>18672785

For the record, she didn't sleep with me, and we didn't end up in a relationship. I ended my relationship because she made me realize I was looking for something else, but she ended up staying with him.

I don't regret any of it.

>>18672752
You said there were solid arguments and you didn't mention any. The sentences after also didn't rationalize why I'm supposedly the bad one.

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>>18672813
>I'm supposedly the bad one
You're not.

>>18672725

>Is it bad to do a bad thing?

Yup.

>But the person I'm doing it with is doing more bad than me!

Doesn't make what you're doing ok.

It's dishonorable. Saying it's ok because the girl is a cheater anyway is like saying it's ok to steal a bike because if you don't someone else will.

There are lots of single women. There are even some women in open relationships. There's no call for you to participate in fucking up someone else's relationship.

>>18672813
If they love the bitch they are forced to redirect their anger towards you, to avoid lashing out at them. Societally if your partner cheats on you and you beat the shit out of them you are viewed negatively, likewise it is praised if you beat the shit out of the guy who slept with your girl because you reestablish dominance. Basically to keep your ego intact you must lash out at the guy who slept with her.

>>18672801
Fair enough then, just saying never date a cheater even if the only person she cheated with was you with your prodding. That is a fast way to get fucked over by a girl in the end.

>>18672752
I disagree with this.
When my ex cheated on me, it was her and my responsibility. Not the guy's that she cheated on me with. He didnt owe us anything. If you dont have moral qualms about fucking without feelings then there is nothing wrong about sleeping with a 'taken' person.

>>18672725
There are no innocent parties anon.

'Cheater' is most at fault.
'Cheated' is somewhat at fault.
"Cheatee" is not at fault at all. He/she is just means to an end for the cheater.

>>18672888
The cheated is never at fault, because cheating is never acceptable. The only thing they could potentially be at fault for is harming their relationship.

>>18672881
>my responsibility
No, not really. Cheating is never justifiable so you are blameless for that action. You can possibly be blamed for harming your relationship though.

>>18672725

Calling her out on being a ho and notifying her bf is the TRUE alpha move, OP.

Besides, perpetuating hook-up culture in such a negative way WILL karmically come back to bite you in the ass in one way or another, most likely in the form of your next gf doing the same exact shit to YOU.

>>18672893
Thats what i mean. Cheated is responsible for not being in a relationship where communication was so bad that cheater had to cheat onstead of talking about the problems.

PS. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.

>>18672902
Thanks for the kind words anon but I know I had tuned out of the relationship. I was bored. I didnt cheat.. but who knows..maybe i would have slipped before she did. I take 50% responsibility for our relationship not working out. I wish she had not cheated and thats not on me BUT i lived with her for 10 years so i should have predicted what was coming. I didnt because like i said, i was tuned out.

>>18672861
You didn't get the argument.

>>But the person I'm doing it with is doing more bad than me!
That's not the mindset I was talking about. I'm saying I'm not doing anything bad at all. Not that she is doing more.

>is like saying it's ok to steal a bike because if you don't someone else will.
False equivalency bro. Your comparison would be right if the bike had a brain and purposely drove to a poor and criminal neighborhood to get stolen by someone. Obviously that can not happen.
My point is that the gf is flirting with me. She wants to fuck. She is just that type of person to cheat. Other people never cheat no matter what circumstance they are in. So yeah, I'm perfectly right when I say if I don't do it, someone else will anyway.

>>18672870
I understood what you said the first time, I'm just saying that wasn't an argument that explains why I'm the bad guy. It's just shedding light on our morally misguided society.

>>18672925
>So yeah, I'm perfectly right when I say if I don't do it, someone else will anyway.

But if you don't do it,
YOU don't do it.

What other people do doesn't really have much effect on whether you're a good person.
It's what you do that matters. Fucking a girl who's in a relationship is a shitty thing to do. It doesn't matter if she would have just fucked someone else. You're not responsible for her actions. You're responsible for yourself.

yes it is immoral. i think you know it is.

if it isnt with you, it'd be someone else - possibly.

if you know it's immoral to seduce a girl in a relationship, how could you not know it's immoral for a girl while in a relationship (and youre fully aware of it) to seduce you?

if a guy/girl knew the person is in a relationship and still decided to flirt, kiss, or have sex with that person, then yes they are immoral too. they arent as guilty as the person in the relationship, but they did do something wrong.
if you didnt know they were in a relationship, you sleep with them and find out afterward that they are: it's bad if you say nothing because it's dishonest.
i firmly believe in karma. do something bad and something bad happens to you.

>>18672908
>had to cheat

>>18672908
Lol, no. The one who was cheated on is never at fault even in the situation where there wasn't good enough communication in the relationship. The cheater could have just broken up and then have sex instead of doing it while in a relationship. If the one who was cheated one damaged the relationship prior, then he is guilty of damaging the relationship. But he/she is never responsible that the cheating happened.

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>>18672903
>t.cuck

>>18672725
Yes and don't kid yourself

You are a shitty person just as much

Seeing as your moral principles are pretty fucked up, you're likely to cheat too

>>18672725
OK so this week we all decided incest was okay because of Game of Thrones but can we at least have ONE sexual line Millennials or do they ALL have to be knocked down in due course?

BTW if anyone comes into my house and fucks my wife... I am not going to be a millennial about it, you might be reincarnated into someone in a good generation though.

>>18672908
>Cheated is responsible for not being in a relationship where communication was so bad that cheater had to cheat onstead of talking about the problems
>had to cheat
Fucking. Break up then. Or be an adult and TALK. Nobody is disallowing you to TALK.
That's really the type of sociopathic argument for cheating you would only hear from a woman. At least a man would just admit he was a horny dirtbag.

>>18672725
Everyone cheats. You'll understand when you get older. Actually, getting with married or committed girls is a 100X easier. Just don't fall for them because they never leave.

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>>18672973
>Actually, getting with married or committed girls is a 100X easier
Hey hey hey, we're not supposed to go that deep.

>>18672969
I'm not a millenial, I'm generation Z. Also, according to statistic cheating on your wife/husband was widely more common and more accepted in past generations. Just saying grandpops. Be mad at your wife. Not the guy who happened to be around when she wanted some dicking. If it's not him it would have been someone else, because your wife was looking to cheat like the whore she is.

>>18672935
Because you are hurting someone else, just because she initiated it doesn't mean you aren't culpible. If you didn't know she was in a relationship fair enough, but otherwise you are selfishly hurting someone else. Just because someone ropes you into doing something bad doesn't make you blameless, just much less guilty.

>>18672870
>not beating the shit/stabbing/breaking the windows of both
Huh, is this what it feels like to be a cuck?

>>18672979
The guy she cheats with is a scumbag. That's what it's being discussed
Taking some other guy's gf is a challenge boosting his ego.

If he's aware she's taken he has a shitty moral code and is therefore likely to be a potential cheater himself.

Stop kidding yourself with pathetic excuses such as "if it wasn't me it would be someone else".
The fact it is you is all that matters.

There's cheaters and there's trash that fucks with attached people.

They're not any better.

>I want to do a shitty thing! That's totally ok, right?

NO.

>But it's someone else's fault! I'm just, like, benefiting from participating in something shitty.

NO.

>but the shitty thing would happen even if I...

STILL NO.

>But I want to! Why can't I?

BECAUSE DOING SHITTY THINGS MAKES YOU A SHITTY PERSON.

>>18672725
I had sex with an engaged woman, I felt bad about it for a bit but you get over it.

Complicated honestly. I think if say, a guy sleeps with someone's gf and he knows she's in a relationship then he's a scumbag, as is the girl in the situation. If the guy fucks the girl without having any indication that she was in a relationship, even going as far as fucking off when learning about it or even telling the boyfriend then he's fine. The girl is the only one who has screwed up. Works both ways and i'd say that the one being cheated on is never at fault, someone who claims they weren't getting enough "attention", or they "didn't feel special anymore" or whatever the fuck excuse they use to justify cheating is full of shit. It shows a complete lack of empathy and consideration for their partner.

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>>18673042
>I think if say, a guy sleeps with someone's gf and he knows she's in a relationship then he's a scumbag
Why?

>>18673058
Because you are contributing to hurting someone else. Your actions may/will directly contribute to someone else's pain. That is the bottom line.

>But if not me then someone else would!

You don't know that.

>>18673069
Yes, you do. There are people who never cheat and then there are cheaters. Statistically they are likely to cheat in future relationships again.

Cheating is only immoral for the one who pledged themselves to another and then, with a sexual act, broke the promise

Somebody who knows the situation but has not declared monogamy can only be held in moral depravity if they lied to the person being cheated on

Essentially, if you lie, you're responsible for damaging the other person

If you allow the other person to cheat and then tell the person cheated on, you technically saved them in the long term even if they're devastated in the short term

>>18673072
No, you really don't. Likelihood is not certainty. And I'd very much be interested in seeing what papers cite these statistics.

And, even then, let's say that they would have just found someone else. It doesn't take away from the fact that in having sex with them you made the conscious decision to hurt someone else for your personal gain. You can care or not but that is immoral.

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>>18673069
Survival of the fittest.

>>18673092
So you're agreeing with me that it's immoral, you just don't care.

>>18672725
Its highly subjective. All cheating is. Some partners think porn is cheating and others have zero bounds.

Anyway. I do agree OP. The cheater is the real criminal. The lover doesnt really know you who you are or why shes doing it. If it wasnt him/her it would be someone else.

Gets a little grey to me when someone knows exactly what theyre doing and are actively involved on an ongoing basis or repeatedly pursues taken people

But a one off right time right place? Nah

>>18673090
This. Likelihood is not certainty. You cant apply statistics or generalizations to an individual, ever. It simply doesnt work that way.

Side note. I cheated in a past relationship. It was highly situational, and there were more factors involved than i could ever explain. That was 10 years ago. I have never cheated again, and im married to a different woman now ive been with for 5 years and ive never even flirted with another woman. I dont plan to either.

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>>18673100
Is nature immoral? Who are you to define that? It is what it is.

Depends on what you define as morals. Some would argue that morals are absolute and some would argue that they are relative to a multitude of factors (culture, the individual, etc.)

In the case of your original question, I think it depends on who initiated the "cheating"

If you fuck someone whos in a relationship but they came on to you, its much easier to pass the blame on them, especially if you didn't know about their relationship

But if you knew and went along with it anyways, weather or not the other person found out, I'd say you're just as at fault morally, just for different reasons. They shouldn't have broken the trust of their partner but ideally you shouldn't have helped enable this trust breaking.

This then makes the cheater more likely to cheat again because they have been enabled and people don't deserve to be treated like that

>>18673069
This.

>>18673110
>Is nature immoral?

It's amoral.

>Who are you to define that?

A human. You know, the species that understands and gives a shit about morality.

>It is what it is.

And you are no more than an animal.

Less importantly: you don't understand what "survival of the fittest" means.

>>18673110
Appeal to nature is a fallacy my friend. I can decide my own morals to a degree (as can everyone else) but morals/moral guidelines in a larger sense are decided by the particular cultural context we might find ourselves in. In Western Society (and probably most of the world) it is considered immoral to hurt someone, in this case someone you have absolutely no knowledge about. I refer you to my argument >>18673069.

Again, you can care or not but in deliberately choosing to potentially hurt someone you are acting immorally. Man up and own up to it, or hide behind your "muh nature" argument.

>>18673124
Thank you.

>>18673129
Different fag here...
And im.just being an annoying hair splitting poindexter but..

>cultural not to hurt someone.

Cooperation and altruism is indeed a social insinct.

People who cooperate have allies and providers. You will find it as a generally well accepted way to be in many cultures.

>>18672881
Is this how cuckolds think?
>the bull is blameless
>it's my fault for being a weak man that can't satisfy my woman

>>18672725
send him a picture of your dick in her with her face in the shot so she cant lie to him about it later.

>>18673136
This is true. Trust is a valuable social commodity, and I found it hard to trust people I knew were cheaters or had sex with people in relationships.

>Yeah, I helped her rob the liquor store, and I split the money with her and drank the booze.
>But you can't arrest me!
>It was her idea, she would have done it whether I helped her or not! So I'm not a criminal!

>>18673148
>unironically thinking this is a valid example

>>18673155
>unironically thinking most moral guidelines consider theft below treachery just because the legal system no longer punishes adultery in the United States.
Pretty much every religion and philosophy has treachery and backstabbing as the lowest moral thing.

>>18672972
I am a guy. I did break up with her right away.
Now I am single, i dont care if the girl is single or cheating on her partner. Not my responsibility.

>>18673000

This. So much this.

>>18672725

>Is it immoral when you have sex with a woman (or man if you are a woman) who is already in a relationship?

Yes. No matter how many degrees of separation you put between yourself and the person actually committing the immoral act you still can't logically absolve yourself of responsibility.

You were knowingly helping to deceive and hurt a complete stranger. You're at fault.

>>18673000
Wow, trips of truth, Reddit spacing aside

>>18673242
yet they all do it anyway

religion on itself is hypocrisy

>>18673000
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