I want to go someplace dangerous, like a war zone or an improvised

>>18564917
You realize that there are plenty of people that need help in your own back yard, right? Like, you can donate time to a soup kitchen, and help them bring in the heavy shit. You can volunteer at a church to help poor people move into an apartment. You don't need to help out on the other side of the planet when there are people in your own town that need it.

>>18564924
It's a bit selfish, but I just want the place to be really harrowing and dangerous first and foremost. I want to help people when I get there, but the former comes first.

>>18564917
Your help will end with you getting killed and having absolutely no impact on anything. Have fun!

>>18564917
Do missionary work, you'll be digging trenches, building churches, heavy lifting construction material, and helping the community.

You don't have to be a Christian, contrary to belief, most missionary organizations take help, you just have to fund raise your own money for the most part. Depends on the country,length of the trip, and organization it could be around 1,000-3,000.

No money?

Help out your own community...

>>18564931
Then join the Army, and request to be deployed somewhere dangerous, or join the Peace Corps, and request the same.

You do realize what you're asking for, though? I mean, you don't just get to stop whenever you feel like. You get there, and you're there for years, and, in the case of the Peace Corps, its for really shitty pay in a dangerous area that typically doesn't even have running water, let alone electricity. Imagine that the hovel's sewer system is literally just tossing a bucket out a window. Imagine going months without a shower or a bed.

>>18564944
I'm not cut out for the Army. Even then, I'd like to do more than foot patrols and fighting. I was under the impression the Peace Corps only took trained professionals, but that seems like a nice avenue to take if they take people like in.

As for what'll happen, I understand it's not going to be an altogether pleasant experience. But imo anything worth doing isn't always safe or comfortable.
>>18564941
I'd do missionary work in a heartbeat if I could reconcile my current religious crisis. But that's a whole other can of worms.
>>18564933
Thanks for the heads up?

>>18564969
>As for what'll happen, I understand it's not going to be an altogether pleasant experience. But imo anything worth doing isn't always safe or comfortable.
Then your opinion is retarded. To go to a shithole in Africa, you're gonna need to take a plane. Do you think flying a plane is particularly unsafe if you've been trained to do it? Do you think it's uncomfortable if you've been doing it for years? By your own logic, it must not be worth doing, and now you gotta sail on a raft to Africa (because you its not worth captaining a boat, so why do it).

Here's another example: It's pretty safe and comfortable to drive a truck once you've been trained. If you don't drive said truck, how do people obtain food? But, according to you, it's not worth doing.

If your goal in life is to make the problem worse, then you will.

you want thrills, you aren't there to help people in the way they need, you're there to just do what you want with the excuse of making things better.

you need some more introspection on this line of thinking, op. objectively speaking its pretty dumb, based on what you're giving us.

>>18564981
You risk something each time you fly a plane imo, the same with driving a truck. I think both of those things are worthwhile and honorable professions. I think we may just have a difference in opinion on certain semantics.

>>18564917
>I want to go to a shit place that is war torn and fucked and dangerous to me
okay you don't even need advice with this

>I want to make it better there
hahahaha

the reason it is in such chaos is socioeconomipolitical. there's no way some dude is going to show up to Syria or Detroit and just make it all better by sheer willpower.

>>18564988
By that logic, it's risky to drive a car to a soup kitchen (more risky than taking a plane, in fact). So there's your glory: literally driving a car, something else that almost everyone else does.

>>18564991
Some guy did ok in Chile. They were a socialist shithole, and he set up charter schools and the voucher system, and now they are the 3rd biggest economy in the Western Hemisphere, just behind the US and Canada.

That said, you aren't going to make it better by lifting heavy things.

>>18564991
Could try going to Detroit and start buying up property and expelling the nigs out of the city center but that would require him to be billionare

>>18565005
The city council would just stop it, and tax him out of existence.

>>18565009
Just buy the city counsel first the doofus, the entire city is broke why would they oppose someone buying shit up to clean up the city

>>18565005
>muh racism
>muh gentrification

>>18565009
>the blue team would not allow this
>taxes...just the word taxes

congrats on getting ur GEDs

>>18564986
I don't want to make the problem worse. My personal philosophy is to take a job and be good at it, and I think helping people out while putting your life on the line is a worthy thing to do as far as jobs go.

Without going on a personal spiel and going off topic, I wanted to be a soldier but I didn't make the cut. I didn't want to go in for the fighting or anything, I just wanted the opportunity to go someplace dangerous and help out. So I'm looking for alternatives, that's my line of reasoning.
>>18564991
I'm of the philosophy any little bit counts. I don't have high hopes or dreams.
>>18564995
I can see your point.
>>18565002
Hopefully I can take some kind of training for first aid and wilderness survival. I wouldn't go completely unprepared.

>>18565014
Pouring in billions to fix the city would certainly help my man

>>18565020
Yeah. Look at Iraq.

>>18565023
??

Buying up property and fixing it in america isn't the same as pouring money down the drain in Iraq

>>18565025
You can fix up all the property you want, but people if there aren't jobs, then nobody is gonna want to move in, which just leaves the former residents.

>>18565025
you just keep saying fixing it, but you don't know exactly what that entails.

>>18565029
You kick the former residents out when you buy their buildings obviously

Even if magically no one came in to a fixed up city that's still a better alternative to decaying and financially dying city.

>>18565041
And where do they go? Do they just disappear? How?

I mean, most of the people living in the run down houses are literally squatters. If you don't have someone living in that house, and a police force that responds quickly (or gun laws that allow people to defend their property), they'll just kick in the new door and squat in some new digs.

>>18565041
>ya gentrify it. kick the poor people out. put rich ones in.
this is why I said you only got a GED, or maybe you are underage

>>18565044
Same place everyone else goes when they sell their homes or get evicted

Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>18565049
It will fix the city though, much better that than the current situation

>>18565050
you're in my prayers man

>>18565050
>Same place everyone else goes when they sell their homes or get evicted

>I was here illegally back when it was a shit hole
>Now its nice, but nobody lives in it because there aren't any jobs
>I better respect this empty house now that its nice, and sit out in the cold

You think that's what will happen? Detroit had amazing properties when it was abandoned by the rich, fleeing from the fucking race war that blacks started. Then, plants couldn't find skilled workers, so they left. Then, because there was no industry, commercial suffered, leading to downsizing on THAT front (1 industrial job creates 6 service jobs).

You making the houses nice won't do shit. You've still got the rioters from the 60s, and their offspring, in the area. You still don't have any sort of reason for people to want to move in, no matter how nice the house is (you could sell me a literal mansion for 200 bucks, and I wouldn't buy it if I couldn't find work, unless I thought I could get more by stripping the copper wire and piping from the house, selling it, and then leaving town).

You're talking about pulling the equivalent of putting million dollar rose bushes in front of a house that's on fire.

>>18565067
You're feeding a troll man. Don't eat the bait.

>>18565067
Then fund the police as well and bring in your own factory or shit

>>18565074
Yes. If you privatized the police, bought the city council, replaced the entire population, brought in enough industry to employ the 16% of the city (~100,000 people making 50k per year), spruced up all the houses in its 152,000 square mile area, fixed all the infrastructure (old plumbing and electrical lines, repaving the roads, etc), and made the schools worth going to, then yeah, you could make that town livable again,

Or you could just go and literally build your own city for a fraction of the cost.

>>18565082
Well that's an option as well but the OP wanted to fix a hellhole, not build a good place
A good suggestion for non retards was given in the first post my man

>>18565082
>152,000 square mile area
Dunno how I got there. 142 square mile area.

>>18565084
How would that be helping people, though? You would be evicting people out of the area, using a privatized police force to do it, and taking away any semblance of democracy.

>>18565082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubePTrs2VJc

>>18565088
Well you would clean up the place for any remaining residents and fix the citys economical problems.

If you want to do some humanitarian aid on the side then fun poorhouses on the peripheries

>>18565090
So, the Chicago Projects, then? That worked out well for the residents.

>>18565090
take bikini bottom and push it somewhere else

>>18565084
I have no interest in volunteering in Detroit or riding around as some hired thug evicting people.

>>18565093
No, you want to go halfway around the world to lift heavy objects, when you could just join the National Guard as a weekend warrior and lift heavy sandbags to help out people who are getting flooded.

>>18565093
You aren't a billionaire either, just discussing hypotheticals since your thread has already been answered.

>>18565095
Yeah, exactly. I'm glad you understand me Anon.

>>18565102
you don't have to go anywhere to help people. people everywhere need help.

>>18565102
I never claimed to understand you. I understand your wants. I don't understand the reasoning behind that, other than the fact that it's important to you to get some sort of glory that almost nobody will notice or care about (not even the people you directly help).

>>18565107
Why does it matter if people notice? Isn't it enough to do a job well?

>>18565107
not OP here

people should do things for themselves if they can. if it makes him feel glorious, then good. and who says he wouldn't get recognition? you're downing his idea for no good reason.

>>18565108
You can do the same thing here. You want to do it there because it seems more noble to you. It's not. You go there to give a man a fish, rather than to teach him to fish.

>>18565111
If someone wants to join the peace corps, it's a government run program. I get to talk about how stupid a program is if I'm forced to fund it.

>>18565116
It's not the same, because it's definitely not as dangerous and risky.

>>18565120
So what? The only reason to put one's self in danger is in the pursuit of glory. You say it's not about that. Are you just a fool? Looking for a way to die? Why?

>>18565124
No, it's in the pursuit of glory, I won't deny that. I just don't think people need to notice in order for it to be glorious.

>>18565117
I wish there was some way to purse /pol/ from the population. you guys just go on uneducated political side topics without anyone even remotely asking, and then when someone just doesn't want to hear it you immediately assume they disagree with you and only become more intense.

I'm generalizing but you get the picture

>>18565117
>>18565134
oh and I don't mean purge by killing you guys. I mean by taking a nice pill that just makes the armchair uneducated commentary go away, maybe xanax or something.

>>18565128
Look up the definition of glory. If it isn't noticed, it's not glorious.

>>18565134
I'm not /pol/. I find most of what they talk about, whether it be Trump, Jews, or Communism, to be completely retarded.

>>18565136
>You shouldn't be allowed to give your opinions on programs that you are forced to fund.
Ok.

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>>18564917

Join a training program to become a firefighter, EMT, or police officer. They are all very honorable professions which are essential to society. Based off your interests it sounds like police officer would be the best match. Use city-data.com to find the crime levels of certain areas and do some research to decide which level of danger you want to immerse yourself in. Some pretty bad places are Chicago (nicknamed 'Chiraq' for being statistically as dangerous as a warzone in some areas) or San Francisco.

I recommend checking out PoliceActivity on youtube to see how things go down in tense moments. If you think "oh all cops are bad" then work to become one of the many cops who make it their primary objective to root out bad policing, and be a symbol of enforcement done right.

>>18565140
Whatever. Then it helps me feel fulfilled because I went somewhere dangerous without pussying out and managed to do something worthwhile whilst doing it. It's completely personal.

>>18565140
/pol/ used to be libertarian but now they're all white nationalist. I guess it's some alt-right bullshit. you would have fit in when /pol/ started and they weren't all autistic neo nazis.

>>18565144
I don't see myself as a loser. I'm just burned out on /g/ and /v/. I'm extremely happy with where I am, and what I've achieved.

>>18565146
I did consider Police Officer, I just need to get some education under my belt first.

>>18565147
>Lifting a crate in a warzone is somehow more meaningful than lifting a crate at home.
Whatever helps you get to sleep at night. Personally, I think you sound young and idealistic.

>>18565150
>living in a squad car until you're 55 doing a necessary evil for the power structure regardless of whether or not it is good philosophically speaking and then dying of stress at 65

>>18565150

True, it is a good idea to get educated as a police officer, especially if you ever intend to move up into the managerial positions. That's my plan, get some education then become an officer. The program I'll be taking is at a local community college, so if it turns out the other courses at the school suck I'll become a cop first so I can move to another are and go to school part time. Btw I'm sorry your thread degraded into bickering which completely derailed the point of the thread. It's too bad people can be so overly critical.

>>18565157
>philosophically speaking
The dude's grand plan is to go lift heavy shit in a warzone. Something tells me he's not much for philosophy or ethics.

>>18565153
I said it too. People need help everywhere. OP is obviously very young. He thinks that it's fine where he's at and that places that are complete shitstorms can simply by helped

>>18565157
When yo pay taxes you pay into that same corporate power, so don't act like you're so above it all just because you don't walk a beat.

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>>18565157

>power structure
>philosophically

>>18565162
They can be helped though. I'm not saying you can save the world, I'm just saying it'd be good to go over there and try to do SOMETHING.

>>18565161
Also I am, I just think there's a fine line between philosophy, ethics, and useless naval-gazing.

>>18565164
He was more talking about what a stupid idea it is to become a cop. Shit pay, shit pension if you're lucky, lots of stress.

See, most people on 4chan are a little less physical, and a little more intellectual. They are the type of people that realize that while it may take more time and money to build a forklift rather than just lifting a single, solitary crate, that there's more than just a single solitary crate that will need lifting, and sinking that kind of energy into making a forklift will save them time in the long run.

This is why people say its stupid to join the Peace Corps when people here need help, They're pragmatists. You're an idealist that would rather go over and lift crates for someone across the world than to find a way to get them a forklift, so that they won't need you.

I will say this OP, which I think someone else already hinted at. If you want to make the world a better place, start at home. By that I mean staying in your country and using the resources available to make yourself into an educated and effective adult, and then providing the skills you have acquired locally is the best thing you can do to give to the world. Humanitarian aid provided to other countries is given more glorification than it deserves especially compared to services like policing here at home, or even the value of an honorable lawyer or policy maker. Some people will call the phrase 'honorable lawyer' oxymoronic, which is exactly the type of slander which justifies my point.

>>18565181
They also gloss over the problems that it creates. Sending Africans Life Straws so that they can drink water, instead of teaching them to boil water for 3 minutes creates a dependency that is unnecessary, for example.

>>18565173
If they're not getting forklifts, then they're going to need help until they get that forklift. I'm not going to wait for four or five years in education (education I might also not make the cut for.) just to help out. Not all of us have the capacity to be logicians or engineers nor do we want to settle for donating.

They can think about it all they want, but until I see forklifts rolling over there I don't see it as anything more than ivory tower thinking.

>>18565168
but you can do the same amount of good or actually more good in your own locale

you seem to think terrible suffering only exists on the places that are broadcasted on the news, but it happens in your own neighborhood right under your own nose. life is terrible suffering. you're white and probably underage. I know because I made posts like this. It's good to have conversations like this but they're not replacement for wisdom.

>>18565170
>so what made you want to join the force?
>I'm not into naval gazing. I just want to help pepole.
>wha-? nevermind, perfect.

New Zealand military doesnt follow America like a lap dog, most of there work is peace keeping or humanitarian in their own country at disaster zones.

>>18565166
usually I'm trying to impress people on 4chan, but when they get me with the old picard facepalm I start to question my life

>>18565173

>Stupid idea to become a cop

Because having people to combat violence and crime is stupid. No, it isn't necessary, it's stupid. Didn't anyone ever advise you in growing up?

>shit pay

Shows you must think all cops do it just because they like to shoot black people. No dumbass, $50,000 a year isn't shit, it's decent enough to support a family.

>>18565184
You helping them will be what keeps them from getting forklifts. Think about the argument that the South used in the US: "You can't get rid of slaves, or people will starve, because nobody will be able to afford the food!"

Then, when slavery was abolished, they hired people to deal with the crops until farm vehicles were invented (which didn't take long) that was so efficient, that people didn't need to pick crops. This led to the industrial revolution. And you let them keep slaves, or had Britain sent volunteers to pick crops for free, there would have been no motivation for that kind of innovation.

>>18565164
is that from a fucking 80's cop movie?

anyway, I think a career in law enforcement is not necessarily a bad choice. it's certainly more than the average person amounts to.

>>18565185
>>18565181
I'm 22, so I'm past the age of really being anything of a high functioning adult or professional. Even if I put in my best, I'd still be behind all my peers in terms of work and experience, and I figured it'd better to be a laborer abroad than be some half-baked professional back at home. I guess I could try and bring that abroad, but it seems like a waste of time to me.

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>>18565194
>Because having people to combat violence and crime is stupid. No, it isn't necessary, it's stupid. Didn't anyone ever advise you in growing up?
Presuming you live in the States, yes, it's fairly stupid to elect to become a police officer. There is nothing you can do for me that the Bodyguard in my pocket won't do much faster, and at less expense.

This isn't to say that laws, and the people who enforce them, are entirely unnecessary, but you're a god damned retard if you want to be one of them.

>>18565197
I didn't start an apprenticeship until I was 27. Now, I'm a Journeyman Electrician and 3rd shift Power Plant Operator, making $46.50 per hour

>>18565197
I don't want to hurt your feelings but a lot of what you're saying sounds half-baked and stupid. You're not happy with where you are at 22, so maybe start changing the way you think fundamentally?

I mean literally everything you are saying is ill informed. 22, so your life is over? Do you know human lifespan?

You are in need of guidance from someone who knows what they're talking about and who has some authority so you'll listen to them

>>18565197
Nobody expects anything from you before you're 30. Nobody takes any guy under 30 seriously.

You have plenty of time.

>>18565197

I'm also 22 but I don't think it's a good idea to think that about yourself. Most people, regardless of how well off they are the first twenty years of their life, don't end up being the kind of high functioning adult you're probably thinking about.

>even if I put in my best...still be behind

No you wouldn't. Most people don't put in their best, but let's be realistic, do you actually want to put in your best, and work that hard? Well maybe not, but nonetheless you can still accomplish big things over time. Trust me, getting educated doesn't just increase your level of productivity in society by a little. It can be exponential. I didn't really like the comment about "cops are dumb" but the forklift thing has a point, technology makes things unbelievably more efficient, and in this case education is a technology. Am I saying you should be an engineer? No, but even going to trade school will make you much better able to contribute to the world.

>>18565198

>nothing you can do my gun can't handle
>laws and people who enforce them are necessary

?????????????????

>>18565213
>do you actually want to put in your best, and work that hard?
Did you even have to ask? The dude just wants to go and do something that anyone can do in a location that most people don't want to go, all so that he can pat himself on the back and tell himself that he made a difference.

Compared to doing shit that would actually help people, lifting heavy shit in a war-torn shit hole is easy. It's the same reason so many young people join ISIS. An easy way to feel accomplished, rather than actually working to make their country better, they'll just go and waste their time pursuing ideals.

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>>18565226
this town aint big enough fur da two of us. ill hog tie ya and serve ya to the lawmen

>>18565229

I was trying to be a bit gentler but yeah, you're pretty right about all that.

>>18565226
I can stop the person wishing to do me harm, which is the best a police officer can hope to do, as they typically just hand out tickets.

Now, you want to talk about solving mysteries, organized crime, gangs, and white collar crime, then yeah, we need law enforcement. Funny how regular old cops seem utterly ineffective against that kind of shit, though.

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>>18565230

Wanna say that to my face?

>>18565240

>I can stop the person

Oh yeah? Big man, you are.

>Typically just hand out tickets
>Utterly ineffective

You show more of your ignorance with every post.

>>18565203
>>18565213
I both see what you're saying. I'm just upset about more wasted time, or at least what I feel is more wasted time. I'm sort of stuck in the mindset where I'd rather just be fodder than continue living as a first world layabout loser.

I'll look into alternatives on your guys's advice, just because now that you mention it I'm not giving education and training nearly enough credit, and would probably be more of a burden without it.
>>18565229
I don't think pursuing ideals is a waste of time. I also don't think people who pursue ideals overlap much with the people who joined ISIS, they're defo idealistic, but I'd bet more of them joined for the chance to be the numero uno rapist than for the ideal of jihad.

>>18565252
Well, then, feel free to go and prove me wrong by becoming a cop and slapping a parking ticket on my car.

Meanwhile, if someone tries to harm me or my wife, I'll give you a call when I'm sure the person is dead, so you can come in, call the morgue, and ask me for my permit.

>>18565256
If you want to rape, you can just go to Europe.

>>18565256
>layabout loser
ideals are great. a vague idea like "helping people" can inform what career you want to get into, and if you'll be successful and happy there.

just day to day, maybe try to work on fixing things that make you feel like a loser, like some better relationships with people, maybe some pocket money

>education and training nearly enough credit
it definitely makes your labor more marketable.

and trust me people need help in your own country. I used to live in an area with no social services or prisons, so basically the sent all the rif raff away. Now I live fifteen minutes away from where they sent the riff raff, and I can tell you that even in the richest country there is a *lot* of problems that people could use help with

>>18565261

You know good guys aren't the only ones with guns, right?

Anyways, best of luck to you, stay safe.

>>18565281
Yes. I realize that. What I don't realize is the point you are trying to make. That if somebody wants to shoot me, a cop will get there in time to deflect the bullet?

>>18565256

I think you've got some growing up to do, in regards to your mindset, but based on how you've received our advice and criticisms you certainly have the potential to achieve a healthy level of maturity where you have something valuable to offer. Another thing nobody seems to mention is the value of becoming a good parent. Parents who make good children do more good for the world than anyone else.

>>18565289

A large part of policing is preventative and deterrent, such as containing criminal activity to certain areas and campaigning to make a police presence known, which discourages criminals. Ticketing is often part of this.

Or, if you'd rather not confront someone who invades your home you could exit the home and call an officer. Not that that's always an option but often it is.

>>18565300
I'm curious: can you name a place that has a shit ton of employed people, where the gun ownership rate is high, that loses the police force? If so, how much did crime increase?

I only ask because you mentioned prevention and deterrence, yet there are tons of places in Texas that only have a single officer or two in a town of 3,000, and crime is very low because almost everyone open carries or conceal carries.

I'm hoping that you can show an example where high legal gun ownership, combined with permitless open/concealed carry goes to shit because cops aren't around.

>>18565292
>>18565280
I'll take the advice into account when making future choices. At least as far as not just blindly going through the motions. Thanks for the advice either way, especially given how much the thread went off topic, I do appreciate that.

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>>18564917
Why not just kill yourself now and save yourself the trouble of dieing in some 3rd world country you fucking dumbass

K thx bai

>>18565311

I don't at all take issue with the statistic that communities which are legally and responsibly armed are safer.

>>18565338
Then I'm not sure what you're arguing.

>>18565346

It seems to me that you're attempting to reduce the perceived impact of police officers as much as possible and I find it erroneously presumptive and abrasively egotistical. Besides that it reflects an enormous under-appreciation for what men and women in uniform do every day.