my son is a fucking loser he's 23 years old, no job, never

>>18461411
When all else fails you gotta kick him out. If helping does jack, a good kick in the ass will definitely do it. He needs to learn to fend for himself.

>>18461411
I'm sure he isnt completely out of it. He probably is embarrassed and depressed about what his life is. I was in a similar situation when I was 19 my younger sister went to college at 18 and i felt like a dissapointment because i failed engineering school my first semester. I joined the army and havent looked back in the last couple years. Obviously that may be an extreme but just try to work with him until he finds something he might want to do, or slowly implement rent and increase it until he can live on his own. If u just kick him out 10/10 he will want to fucking die so much more

>>18461411
Instead of labeling him a loser, why not think of him as troubled in some basic psychological/emotional way and try to get him help?

Don't throw him out, but make it a condition of his remaining that he see a therapist. Take positive steps to improve him instead of just giving up and disowning him.

what kinda example did you show him, why does he have no goals, have you talked with him without being judgemental and expectations

do you know your son?

>>18461435
Then he'd just have a loser with expensive prescriptions.

Therapy only helps those who are willing to help themselves. I'd agree that giving a therapy a try is a good idea, but cases like these are so common on /adv/ and I don't see it working.

>>18461411
why do you even want your kids to work, new times are coming, and many old people dont realize that, working is just slavery with exstra steps

>>18461411
This reads like a troll because of how immature you are. Creating desperation in other people does nothing. You might wanna sort out your own short comings first.

>>18461411
How did you find 4chan?

I dunno, kicking me out worked.

I mean, I'm still a piece of shit, but I'm a piece of shit who can pay his bills.

>>18461448

>i wont have to work meme

I keep seeing this lately and i really am tired of this naievte. Our masters would sooner kill us all than pay us a "basic income". Stop fooling yourself.

>>18461411
Why would he ever get a job/leave the house if you let him stay? he has it all good, why bother?

Give him an ultimatum, he has a year to do something with his life, get a job/go to college, move out, start something or else you'll kick him out. Otherwise he'd be on your ass forever

How old are you? And how did ypu manage to find this site

>>18461411
Start by putting his computer in a lock box for a month. Was a looser in high school and did this for myself.
Takes about a week to get your pleasure levels straight again, then you get bored to shit and pick up hobbies.
Be prepared to put money and time into it to kickstart everything. I really enjoyed getting my hands dirty with chemistry, but woodworking, setting up a green house, metal work, cars etc. are all good candidates. Without money and support this will definitely fail though.

Doesn't matter if its useful desu, it builds work ethic, purpose and interest.

Kicking him out of the house with no money will just make him play legacy WoW and masturbate even more. Locking the computer with emotional support gets shit done.

>>18461444
>who are willing to help themselves

I'm gonna be real with you. He doesn't see the "help themselves" part of it.

But first I want to clarify with you, there is a stark difference between a 'loser' and a 'piece of shit' and one is more redeemable than the other.

If you know (objectively) deep down that you see that your son is really a good person that just has issues to be worked over, then I agree with therapy.

People who have never experienced success tend to become reclusive, they don't see the point in participating.
"That's life" I hear you say
It is, and he opts to not plug in. Videogames is just a surrogate reward feedback loop.


Success can be addictive and drive him on to further things once the motivation develops.


It would be good to know what his personality is like (i.e can he socialize, does he like outdoors etc) for my suggestion I suggest you encourage him to travel, it can be interstate but somewhere like a surf camp or mountain hiking group that's popular with backpackers for the following reasons:

> 1. Breaks routine: it becomes a novel experience.

> 2. He'll be around people his age.
> 2.1. Feel encouraged to be a bit more outgoing, because people of a similar age are doing it.

>3. No one knows who he is, so he can come out of his shell a little bit because he can have the option of anonymity once the trip is over, he's not obligated to see them again. (emphasis on this point)

>4. If he reports back that it was a positive experience, probe into it if its something he would like to do again. If its a yes, then you can use that as a leverage (i.e bait) for positive reinforcement, even as motivation to find a job to fund his travels. (Job = money = more fun shit)

Afterwards just make suggestions on networking and stuff to move on to better jobs and up the career ladder.


Sorry if I ranted, hope it helps.

>>18461483
do you know how many people use 4chan

>>18461411
have you asked him what he'd like to do about his life?

>>18461411
This was basically the same situation as I had with my son. What I did was got him an apartment with a 6-month lease and told after 6 months he was on his own. I paid the rent for 6 months while pressuring him to find a job. He waited a long time but as the 6 month lease was coming to an end he realized he had no options. I had told him he wasn't coming home so he got a job and started supporting himself.

>>18461411
>my son is a fucking loser

Well, he has a father who shitposts on 4chan so I'm not surprised.

>>18461411
Kicking him out isn't a bad idea.My old man did that to me. Years of being on my own forced me to grow up. I moved back in with him after my mother passed, but we respect each other now more.

>>18461571
Not many 50 year olds

He probably hates himself. I'm also 23, go to school and work but still feel like a piece of shit because I haven't moved out.. So I can only imagine how terrible he feels.

I like the idea someone else suggested of giving him an ultimatum, except that I wouldn't give him a whole year. Instead, try to do something similar to what is required when someone is on unemployment. He'll have to actively be looking for a job, enrolling in schoo, going out more, etc. Whatever you want him to do with his life as long as he does something. If he doesn't demonstrate that he wants to do something with his life, then I'd say kick him out.

>>18461411
Make him join the military so he gets fucking shot in a desert.

Only infantry though. Or he wont see combat.

>>18461411

He learned ALL of this behavior from you.

You're a loser, OP. Your life sucks. You try to help other people, but have no idea how to make yourself happy.

>i'm afraid i might randomly die one day and he'll inherit part of my money and never think of trying to work

Jesus, man, don't you have other shit to care about? He is not your problem.

Parents are supposed to be role models, not teachers or commanders. If you have a ton of good friends, hobbies and a passionate marriage, your son would think, "damn, I wish I had a life like my dad," and then he'd get one.

But if you're the type of guy who works 40 hours a week so he can give free rent to someone he doesn't even like and then bitch about it on 4chan, he will think, "I don't want to be like my dad, I'll stick to video games."

Anyway, that's my experience, from when I was 20 and in the same position. My parents bought a big house in the suburbs to raise kids. They have NO friends and no identity outside of work/parenthood. My dad works all day, and my mom watches TV. I bet they never have sex. They never read, play games or do anything fun for themselves. They try so hard to be good parents, good citizens, etc, always trying to do everything right. They are like walking corpses, with no life of their own.

So instead of fixing themselves, they focus on me, making me do shit I don't want to like go to school. I don't want to do this, because I don't want to be like them.

Anyway, one day I played this game: www.katawa-shoujo.com

That convinced me that people don't suck and life is worth living. I then got fairly good at programming in 6 months, got a job at a software company, moved away from my parents, started dating, quit videogames and porn, and now life is pretty good at 23. Most importantly, I don't talk to my parents anymore. This whole "parental concern" shit is toxic as fuck.

tl;dr: forget about your son and get a life. He is not your responsibility

I'm like your son. I have nothing for you though, I'm just sad that this is what my dad thinks of what I'm doing. If you want an insight on what we think, then I'd say, that I myself want to change. You just have to show me that you believe in me and support what I want to do in life and respect it. My dad usually also makes minor insulting comments that triggers the fuck out of me. So if you do too, then stop doing that it ain't helping. And don't compare me from my other siblings, I have my own path to take.

>>18461690
>Anyway, one day I played this game: www.katawa-shoujo.com

is this a copy pasta...??

Enlist him in the military OP, if he's as dumb as you say make him go infantry. He'll gain some discipline to work on himself as well as see what the world can actually be like. He will learn within a year what ambitions he has.

>>18461411
Get his ass in the Navy.

>>18461411
making him clear that he is a shame and old enough to be by his own. Give him a dead line. If he dont get a job till the date you kick him.out.

You son is lazy and able to live like this cause you and you wife make it easy for him.

>>18461422
>Idiot stops showing up to a guaranteed job
>EUREKA get him an apartment and pay for it in part, decreasing periodically

Please font reproduce, just to be extra safe only have a posh wank at most.

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>>18461534
He can't play vidya if there's no electricity available.

>>18461544
WRONG
When I had a job I was still a shut in when I wasn't at work.
Now I'm a summer neet. University fag.