When's it an appropriate time to lose it? I'm 19 and

>>18297496
Organs going into other organs, ala the porn impression, isn't worth the hype.

Close proximity bodily communication, the desire to please a partner, that's more worth it.

But, it still isn't a be-all, nor worth chasing like some of those PUA 'tards do.

>>18297525
Do tell me some of your expierences.

>>18297496
> Is sex really all it is hyped up to be?
Yes and no. It's fucking awesome, easily in my top 5 things ever. But it's not as big of a deal as it seems when you haven't done it before.

>>18297496
Eh I lost mine at 18 with a girl I was pretty good friends with before.

We were both definitely attracted to one another as there was always this sexual tension between us when we would hang out.

When I told her I was a virgin she became more intrigued then acted like she wanted to do me a favor. (She was experienced).

Over all it was a good experience for my first time, was nervous as hell but eventually relaxed. I for sure over hyped the situation too, but I was glad to get that experience under my belt and it helped me be more comfortable around females.

>>18297496
It'a pretty rad to be honest but don't sweat it. You are ready when you are ready, there's a chance you won't enjoy it as much if it's just for the sake of losing your virginity.

>>18297496
>When's it an appropriate time to lose it?

There is none, you do it when you do it.

>Is sex really all it is hyped up to be?

It's fun but it doesn't change you. You'll be the same dude after your first time.

>hurr durr you do it when you're ready

Fuck you, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Everyone is obsessed with that shit. Every single fucking kid races to be the first one who loses their virginity. Fuck, I grew up in a place where 14 year olds were shamed for being virgins. I had to lie my way through.

It's not my fault I wasn't born with a nice face. I wasn't born with a bad one either, I'm just terribly fucking average. I have a pretty rich social life, I hang out with people basically everyday and belong to a large social circle. But nobody wants me, nobody prefers me over my friends who look better and have more unique personalities.

I'm not actively looking to do it, that would seem pathetic. I'm not even excited for it, at that point I realized that I'm always going to be too fucking boring to meet someone genuinely interested in me. What drives me fucking insane is people who say "you do it when you do it".

Then tell me when and how the fuck am I supposed to do it, you fucking retards.

>>18297742
>Then tell me when and how the fuck am I supposed to do it, you fucking retards.

Ok.

Step 1: Grow Up. Insults and temper tantrums don't work for adults.

Step 2: Grow the Fuck Up. 14 yo are always talking shit. If you still live by their standards, then you are not an adult yet, don't matter your age.

Step 3: Grow Up. Other people won't solve your problems for you, because your life is yours. We can't tell you what to do because we are not you. Solve it yourself, that's what adults do.

That should get you started.

>>18297755
>Insults and temper tantrums

I'd like to remind you where we are, this is literally the only place in the world where I can do this shit without being judged.

>If you still live by their standards, then you are not an adult yet, don't matter your age.

No, I live knowing that I'm so average that cheeky 14yos have better romantic lives than me.

>Other people won't solve your problems for you, because your life is yours. We can't tell you what to do because we are not you. Solve it yourself, that's what adults do.

Oh, I thought this is /adv/, where people give other people advice.

>Grow up

That can mean literally anything, fuck you.

This question is stupid. Like asking when is the appropriate time to lose your phone or your house keys.

It really doesn't matter and if you let the opinions of other people control your emotions, you're weak. Whoo, they try to shame you for.. what? Not doing something? It's an adult activity that can be done at any point in life.
You don't hear these shitty kids saying smart shit like, "you haven't started saving for your 401k yet? What are you, a faggot?"
"What a loser, he hasn't applied for college already"

>>18297769
>No, I live knowing that I'm so average that cheeky 14yos have better romantic lives than me.

So you still believe them? Asshole, you have spent YEARS lying about being a virgin and you still believe everyone that says the lost theirs? How dumb are you?

>That can mean literally anything, fuck you.

That's why I explained the steps. What I described is growing up...

>Oh, I thought this is /adv/, where people give other people advice.


You don't want our advice. We told you to do it at your own pace, I'm telling you to change your perspective, and you refuse to accept what we say.

You want instructions to get laid? That's not advice, because as I said, we are not you. We can't make a plan for you because we don't know your life.

>>18297782
It doesn't take much to know if your friends lost their virginity or not. I'm good at lying, but I'm still sure that a shitload of people didn't believe me.

>That's why I explained the steps. What I described is growing up...

Oh, you mean insults and temper tantrums? I don't do that in real life. I don't live by my own standards, because I don't have any. I just want to be respected.

>You don't want our advice.

Oh yes I do, I'd really like to hear how to get over being average as fuck and having low self-esteem. I'd like some advice about being a decent person and self-improvement, because I have absolutely no idea what I do wrong so I started blaming it on how boring and average I am.

But nah, better tell me "yeah everyone has their own pace, it's okay to be retarded and lose virginity at the age of 73", because that will definitely fucking help.

>>18297769
This is /adv/, faggot, ofc we're going to judge you.

And you know what? That other anon's on the money.

Grow up, as in, take responsibility for your life and don't care so much about petty shit. And something that is high on the agenda for underage tards is *definitely* petty shit.

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>25 year old turbo nerd perma virgin
>realize people have sex already as teens
>the ship sailed 10 years ago
Trying to imagine retarded teens have awkward sex is painful.

>>18297789
>I'd really like to hear how to get over being average as fuck and having low self-esteem. I'd like some advice about being a decent person and self-improvement, because I have absolutely no idea what I do wrong so I started blaming it on how boring and average I am.

We can't tell you that. We don't know you.

>But nah, better tell me "yeah everyone has their own pace, it's okay to be retarded and lose virginity at the age of 73", because that will definitely fucking help.

It is fine, though, to lose your virginity at whatever age you do. I doubt you'll never get laid. You are still young. But that attitude doesn't help you.

>>18297742
>Then tell me when and how the fuck am I supposed to do it, you fucking retards.

Fine. You should have lost your virginity 3 to 4 years ago. But as you managed to fuck that up, how about we go with, "As soon as you find a girl willing to stoop low enough to fuck someone with your specific set of special needs."

Stop being a fucking bore. Develop an interesting personality. Get some fucking life experience, and do something that people may be interested in. It's not difficult you fucking petulant, autistic, teenage waste of space.

I hope you die a virgin.

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>>18297790
>take responsibility for your life

What do you mean by that? I already have to "take responsibility" for how average I am. I have to endure loneliness and absolute lack of motivation to live just because I was born with shitty genes. I have to endure being average in a world that is all about beauty, attraction and desire.

Again, I ask you - what the fuck does "take responsibility for your life" mean? Do you think that I don't try to improve myself? I take care of my hygiene, try to learn new things, have a job and work out. I try to be the best person imaginable. But there are absolutely no benefits in sight and people who just were born better lead more satisfying lives. And I have absolutely no idea how to reach even decency, even though I struggle everyday to be a superhuman.

>sex is petty shit

I think you're the one who needs to grow up if you don't realize how fucking important sex is in absolutely everything, from culture through music to business.

>>18297810
>develop an interesting personality

Easy to fucking say, especially from a person born with an interesting personality. I envy people who don't have to think what to say, people who are controlled by their personalities. I don't have one, I just say whatever fits the conversation the best. Sometimes I straight up lie. That's why I'm never shy nor awkward, I'm just fucking boring. But if I had to be completely honest I would be just silent.

>>18297820
>just because I was born with shitty genes.

That's not taking responsibility.

>But there are absolutely no benefits in sight

Living a good life is a benefit. But pussy is all you want, and paradoxically, what's why you won't get it. Chill. Coming off as desperate never works.

>>18297820
>I don't like myself
>but I won't change because it's hard

What the fuck do you want? A fucking magic spell to give you a personality?

>>18297769
Stop being a whiny little bitch, how's that for an advice?

The thing about having sex when you're ready is literally what it is - there is no given age at which you are obliged to have sex for the first time. You shouldn't feel any pressure from the outside as it is your own personal thing and it's none of anybody else's business. Stop giving shit about what other people think.

>>18297496
Oh it's definitely all it's made out to be, especially with someone you're in tune with.

Also I lost my virginity at 19, but I'm a girl. I don't know if that matters to you at all. You can lose it whenever OP, most good girls that aren't whores will think it's cute, and they'll think it's sexy to teach you.

>>18297820
Maybe your shitty personality stems from you trying too hard? Why do you struggle everyday to be superhuman? Why isn't the normal you good enough?
Additionally, why not let yourself be shy/awkward if that's what feels more natural? You're not getting any game the way you're playing now, so fuck it. Let those uncomfortable silences between people sink in. I think the more organic you become, the better off you'll be (and better odds of getting laid).

>>18297849
>You can lose it whenever OP,

Nope, not what OP wants to hear. He only wants real advice.

>>18297860
>He only wants real advice.

Ok, offer him some. What do you suggest?

>>18297820
V cards are petty shit, and you're coughing up a victim complex here. Blaming others for your faggotry is not how you adult.

>>18297827
>Living a good life is a benefit.

Where's my good fucking life? I do all this shit that is considered "good" and I don't feel happy at all.

>But pussy is all you want

I said earlier. I'm not even excited for sex. I'm too self-conscious to feel comfortable with a person looking at me naked. I just want it to be done, I don't want to feel like an unwanted piece of trash anymore. I want to live knowing that I was good enough to lose my virginity. If it was only about fucking I'd go to any random fucking party around here and take MDMA, it's only $5 a pill. Or go to a prostitute, I can easily afford the whore that always walks around the fucking bus station next to my apartment.

I never come across as desperate, I've taken care of that part. I don't show interest in girls at all, because I won't feel satisfied unless they'll do it first. I've seen it so many times, I go clubbing with my friends and a girl starts talking to my buddy. Three hours later they fuck in the bathroom.

>>18297831
Did you understand a single thing I said? It's not about me disliking myself. I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing wrong and that's why I'm trying to improve every fucking day. But it changes my life into a retarded spiral of me pursuing something as easy to get as sex not because of desire but because I need confirmation of my own fucking value.

>>18297833
>stop giving shit about what other people think

The worst advice of all time.

>>18297850
Because I have no fucking idea what's wrong with me. That's why I try to improve in every single field, hoping that one day I'll overcome what's stopping me from achieving happiness.

Being shy and awkward is worse, that's what happens when I'm too drunk to think straight.

>>18297864
Go to an off brand club, find the fattest desperate chick gyrating there, drink a buttload, pick up hamplanet.

Wake up next morning next to a 1/10. But hey, v-card gone eh?

>>18297891
Woops, forgot probably 'murica. Which case the desperate little fuck'll have to wait two years for the joys of that experience.

>>18297888
>I don't feel happy at all.

Losing your virginity won't make you happy.

>I never come across as desperate, I've taken care of that part. I don't show interest in girls at all, because I won't feel satisfied unless they'll do it first.

Yeah, your buddy just "stands there" and girls come to suck him off. Learn to flirt, dumbass.

>>18297891

Read his post: >>18297888

He doesn't want that.

He just needs to grow up.

>>18297891
You completely don't understand the whole point.

Honestly I don't even want to fuck, I just want to live knowing that I was good enough to lose my virginity with a person that was genuinely interested in me.

>>18297899
>Losing your virginity won't make you happy.

Yes it will. It's not about losing virginity, it's about the interest. I don't want to fuck. I want someone to look at who I am and say "yes, I'm interested in him". I finally want it to fucking happen.

>Yeah, your buddy just "stands there" and girls come to suck him off. Learn to flirt, dumbass.

Yes, exactly. You don't even know how many fucking times I had to introduce him to girls that were interested in him.

>Learn to flirt, dumbass.

The easiest way to come across as desperate.

>>18297907
>I want someone to look at who I am and say "yes, I'm interested in him". I finally want it to fucking happen.

If it can happen, it already happened. You are probably to deep in self pity to notice when it happens. Or maybe you only want attention from the tall pretty girls and when a 6 comes looking you ignore her.

>You don't even know how many fucking times I had to introduce him to girls that were interested in him.

Sure, I bet the dude that gets laid every time he goes out needs you to point it out to him. That makes perfect sense.

>>18297902
Hmm indeed. Evidently he's not getting what "growing up" entails tho, chock full of teen angst I guess. Which is worse than the virginity thing for that age imho.

>>18297921

Exactly, that's his problem. The virginity, or rather,the "attention" problem will sort itself out once he starts acting like a fucking adult.

>>18297888
If appearance isn't on your side, you have to work for it. Not all of us are as adept at picking up girls as your friend. This means making an effort to connect to others, which will be hard to do when your priority is only boosting your own ego (feeling sexually validated). At some point, we've all been lonely/desperate, but you're wallowing in it.

Just... let it go man. There will be someone out there, you just have to be open to it.

>>18297920
>Or maybe you only want attention from the tall pretty girls and when a 6 comes looking you ignore her.

Of course I do. Why would I be satisfied by a 6 being interested in me? That's as fucking pitiful as losing your virginity with a prostitute. I want to feel like I'm worth something, I want a good looking girl interested in me. Honestly I just want decency, I don't want to feel like I'm worse than everyone else.

>Sure, I bet the dude that gets laid every time he goes out needs you to point it out to him. That makes perfect sense.

No, I was asked many times by girls to introduce them to him when he didn't have any idea who they were. There's nothing worse than a girl walking up to you just to ask you "hey, you're x's friend, right?". I don't even remember how many times I had conversations with girls about other dudes. Fuck you, you'll never know how it feels like.

>>18297929
Friend was just an example. Basically everyone from my group gets laid regularly except me.

>Just... let it go man. There will be someone out there, you just have to be open to it.

I tell myself that every year since I was 14. Nothing changed, except the fact that when I was younger I really wanted to fuck someone and now I just seek validation.

>>18297926
Fuck you, I'm not going to act like an adult on this fucking site. I've had enough of this shit and I'd rather pour all my negativity here than on people around me.

>>18297950
>Of course I do. Why would I be satisfied by a 6 being interested in me?

Are you a 6, though?

>>18297950
>Fuck you, I'm not going to act like an adult on this fucking site.

If you acted like one in your life, you wouldn't have this problem. So I'm sure your attitude isn't limited to 4Chan.

>>18297888
>Did you understand a single thing I said?

Yeah, I did. And it's shitty excuses. You've been told what to do, and your fucking response was bullshit excuses about how hard it is, and how pathetic you are.
GO.
DO.
SOME.
INTERESTING.
SHIT.
WITH.
YOUR.
LIFE.

> It's not about me disliking myself

Oh I'm sorry. I think I may have been thrown off by all the complaining about yourself and how boring and pathetic you are. How the fuck didn't I pick up on the fact you like yourself?

>I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing wrong

You have a shit personality and you're boring. And you aren't attractive enough to make up for it.

> that's why I'm trying to improve every fucking day

I'd believe this if your response to being told what to fix wasn't "Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, it's so tough to change my personality."

>pursuing something as easy to get as sex not because of desire but because I need confirmation of my own fucking value.

But I thought this wasn't about you disliking yourself? If you liked yourself, then you wouldn't need confirmation of your value.

God you are a piece of fucking shit.

>>18297954
This though. Beggars can't be choosers.

>>18297954
I have no idea. Sometimes I feel really attractive, sometimes I feel really fucking ugly.

Probably a 7.

>>18297958
And I'm sure it is. You can leave this thread if that's all advice you're going to give me. Telling me to stop having tantrums isn't going to do shit because I don't have a problem with them in real life.

>>18297965
>Oh I'm sorry. I think I may have been thrown off by all the complaining about yourself and how boring and pathetic you are. How the fuck didn't I pick up on the fact you like yourself?

You don't understand again. I'd be completely fine with who I am if somebody else appreciated it. But they don't, and that's why I have a problem with myself.

>You have a shit personality and you're boring. And you aren't attractive enough to make up for it.

Yeah.

>I'd believe this if your response to being told what to fix wasn't "Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, it's so tough to change my personality."

Do you even know what a fucking personality is? Tell me, please fucking tell me, how do I change my personality? Because this is literally the hardest thing to change in life. To change how your fucking brain functions by telling yourself who you want to be.

>But I thought this wasn't about you disliking yourself? If you liked yourself, then you wouldn't need confirmation of your value.

I explained that. I want confirmation for my value, but I don't get it and that's why I dislike myself. If I got it right fucking now I'd fall in love with myself. It doesn't matter anyway, I'd do anything to just fucking change my personality. I don't care who the fuck I am, I just want decency.

>>18297976

Also, no one likes hypocrites.

>>18297982
>Probably a 7.

Would you date a 7?

>>18297987
No.

>>18297982
>And I'm sure it is. You can leave this thread if that's all advice you're going to give me. Telling me to stop having tantrums isn't going to do shit because I don't have a problem with them in real life.

PLenty of ways to NOT act like an adult, not only tantrums. Maybe you are just whinny. Or you never take the initiative for anything. Or maybev you are an arrogat twerp that expects life to bend over backbards for you.

>Why would I be satisfied by a 6 being interested in me?

>>18297496
Sex is boring as fuck imo, BJs are good though. Condoms feel fucking awful too if you're wondering btw.

>>18297989

Then I refer you to my previous comment >>18297984:

>no one likes hypocrites.

>>18297982
>Telling me to stop having tantrums isn't going to do shit because I don't have a problem with them in real life.

Yes you do you fucking faggot, your interior state shapes how you deal with the world. Your tendency to whinge here is your whole fucking problem.

See, later:

>Tell me, please fucking tell me, how do I change my personality?

By not defending your inner little faggot voice.

Jeez, just kill yourself you little bitch.

>>18297982
Just throw yourself into oncoming traffic already.

>>18297996
It's not about dating. I wouldn't want to date a 6 not because she's ugly, but because 6s are considered to be average. What kind of satisfaction would that give me? I'm not even interested in dating right fucking now, I just want validation.

>>18298001
No I don't, I've never thrown a tantrum in public in my whole life and don't tell me that I have.

Honestly looking at how mad you get over the way I type you look like a person with a problem with tantrums. It doesn't take much to make you tell someone to kill themselves, does it?

You offered shit advice, get over it. Saying "wueee your problem is throwing tantrums YOU FUCKING FAGGOT KILL YOURSELF" is kind of retarded.

>>18298003
I would never commit suicide, it's literally the most pathetic thing a human can do and completely the opposite of my goal.

>>18298020
>I'm not even interested in dating right fucking now, I just want validation.

Ok, I'll try another way to put this: What do you want her to validate? What do you offer of value?

>>18297496
I havent read the thread but imo you should just chill out. There is no pressure to lose your virginity. You should just focus on enjoying yourself with people around you. Sex is something pleasurable, not a thing you "get out of the way". If it happens it happens.

>>18298022
Who I am. How I look, the way I speak, what I'm interested in.

What do people offer of value? 90% of people have absolutely nothing other than their looks.

I don't even want anything other than interest, I want someone to be genuinely interested in me without any other shit like money, social status or stability.

I want to feel like I'm a person that could be loved

>>18298024
No, just fucking stop. I don't want sex, I want interest and telling me "it's okay to have your own pace, some retards lose virginity at the age of 83" isn't going to help

>>18298020
You keep turning down advice to improve because you're too stupid and wrapped up in it to listen. Of course as long as we to reach you escalating emphasis will be used.

Either you're just looking to push buttons with your caricature of an imbecilic and angsty 13 y.o. or you truly are that retarded in development.

If it's the former, eat a dick. The latter, and enjoy getting *exactly* the kind of faggot life you deserve.

Kys, bai.

>>18298037
>What do people offer of value? 90% of people have absolutely nothing other than their looks.

But only a pretty girl can give you that. An average looking girl (like you!) can't give you validation. Do you see the problem in your logic?

You actively deny giving others the very same thing you ask for yourself.

>>18298037
Ahh one can dream can't they? It ain't gonna happen OP. You're too miserable for any girl to want to get involved with you. I would say sorry but you have been a real Debbie Downer and probably deserve all that is coming to you.

Maybe gain some humility?

>>18298037
What you need is therapy. Stop fucking depending on others to validate yourself, it's a trap.

>>18298037
Ah I think I know what you mean now.

Well look at it this way, if you cant be by yourself how can you be there for somebody else? In other words, work on yourself to become more stable in yourself. If you cant give other people love in its all shapes or forms, you wont receive it neither. You get what you give and the world is your mirror. Be more kind so that people will like you.

>>18298043
>you have a problem with tantrums
>no I don't
>yes you do
>no I don't
>YES YOU DO YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>advice to improve

Great advice, I wish I had something to improve upon when it comes to tantrums. Fortunately, I've never thrown a tantrum in my entire life. Also there's a shitload of people in this thread who gave better advice than you.

>>18298045
I guess I'm doomed to live an unhappy life then.


>>18298056
>gain some humility

Why would I do that? Humility is literally accepting low self-esteem, a recipe for a disaster.

>>18298067
Why would I trust myself though? It's others who decide if we're interesting, attractive or charming. If everyone thinks that someone is attractive that's a fact. My opinion isn't worth shit if everyone thinks the other way.

I don't want to fuck a girl I find attractive, I want a girl that everyone finds attractive to be interested in me.

Honestly I want to feel like I'm a decent person who can be loved by what the society considers a desirable person.

>>18298090
>I guess I'm doomed to live an unhappy life then.

You could grow the fuck up and realize no one is going to give you something if you are not willing to do the same.

There are girls that feel like you. Girls that are tired of their friend with bog boobs getting all the attention. You could reach out to them. That's called "maturity", when you learn to stop being so selfish and realize you are not the only person to feel shitty.

>>18298090
So what do you want to hear from everyone? Everyone has tried their best with you. You just want to fight every piece of advice you've gotten. So how about you tell us, what you want.

>>18298117
I want advice on self-improvement, because so far I haven't gotten any, other than "grow up" and "gain humility". Other people just told me to accept my shitty life, which I'm never going to do.

>>18298138

We also told you you are being a hypocrite. How about starting with that one?

>>18298138
Reread the thread, dipshit.

Sage.

>Whens it an appropriate time
Thats up to you to decide.
>Who should I lose it to?
You're an adult...make your own decisions.
>Is sex really all it is hyped up to be
With the right person, yes.
Not with randoms, or people you dont know very well/care about. One of you will start regretting it because of possible stds and if you're a female you'll regret giving them something they didn't deserve.

>>18298143
Oh yes, because I don't want to date 7s. But that's no advice on self-improvement, that's telling me to give up and accept reality.

>>18298144
Okey, post after post.

>hurr durr grow up
>hurr durr grow up
>take responsibility and stop caring about petty shit
>develop a personality and stop being boring
>don't be desperate
>stop giving a shit
>try being shy and awkward
>learn to flirt
>don't ignore 6s
>let it go
>do interesting shit in your life and change your personality
>stop being a hypocrite, give up on self-improvement and date 6s/7s

Fuck you. Half of that shit is worthless and "change your personality" is the most retarded piece of advice I've ever heard. You could literally walk up to anyone who has any problem with themselves and say "LOL CHANGE YOUR PERSONALITY". Also it's impossible unless you're from 1984 London and doublethink daily.

That said, the only useful advice I've gotten is "learn how to flirt".

>>18298171
>that's telling me to give up and accept reality.

So your plan is to deny reality until it changes to what you want. Gotcha. Sorry, but we can't tell you how to bend reality to your whims. Good luck though!

>>18297496
Ill give the fag OP advice
Watch youtube videos on fashion to dress well as a guy
Go to the gym/exercise
Get a good haircut
bang you just went from a 4-6/10 ez
Buy the book "how to win friends and influence people"
Watch some PUA (trust me it helps you to socialise if your not autistic and can take the lessons from it
Be nice to girls and ask them on dates regularly
Maybe get some physical hobbies that interest you
And there we go you just went from and 6-8/10
also do exceptionally well in school and get a great career
and at that point when you do all this just maybe someone who you think is good enough will fuck you, also try not to be a dick irl,

>>18298171
Fixing your character is perfectly possible, it's all about selecting what habits you decide to foster.

And honestly, if the stink of your character is such that we can smell it from the other side of the 'net that's exactly what you need to fix before anybody worth a damn is going to sex you.

Fix your character; fix your habits; cease promoting the whiny-ness your replies ITT reek of, as obvious habit #1.

Or kys, either/or works for me.

>>18298184
No, not really. My plan is to improve until I change.

>>18298200
You're the first person who actually gave me some good although a little bit obvious advice. I'm trying to do all these things, I'm slowly getting there.

I already completely changed my style (fashion/haircut) and it kinda helped, I definitely get more attention from girls.

I need to get a physical hobby, because so far the only hobbies I have are reading and drugs.

What's PUA?

>>18298213
>My plan is to improve until I change.

How you gonna do it, though? Thought your problem was beinf a 7 and that 90% of value was looks, so what can you learn here that actually holds an impact?

>>18298213
PUA is pick up artist, most people will denounce it for desperate people just trying to get pussy but it really does help you get girls, by doing simple stuff like learning how to be confident and flirtatious. Maybe weight lifting or something for physical hobby, remember to make it fun so you keep doing it.

>>18298212
How can I fix my inner feelings though? I have no problems maintaining composure, but whenever I try to mantain a pokerface I literally boil inside. Also I get stressed out really easily which often stops me from engaging with girls, although I try to not show it.

>>18298225
My problem is low self-esteem caused by the fact that I feel like I'm undesirable, but I believe that by self-improvement I can change it.

I'm gonna do it by trying to improve in every field over time, also applying some of advice given in this thread.

>>18298230
I'll check out PUA. Now that I think about physical hobbies, surfing is pretty popular in the area, I'll give it a go this week.

>>18298249
>I'm gonna do it by trying to improve in every field over time

Great, become a renaissance man. Hope you rmemeber us when it doesn't solve your problem.

>>18298262
I'll be absolutely honest.

Today's thread is one of the many. I've been doing this for almost a year now and my quality of life has grown. Sometimes I get really frustrated and mad, start crying and feel a need to post on /adv/. I get both harsh words and motivational posts.

If you looked through the archive you'd probably find a couple of similar threads made by me.

So yeah, I don't expect the problem to be solved or not. I'm working on it and sometimes I ask for some advice to keep going.

>>18298249
Your actions inform your opinion of yourself, if you don't know who you are - if, perhaps, you aren't able to communicate effectively with others - pick activities which would be the things someone you'd aspire to be would do. When you know who you are, what you stand for, communication becomes far easier.

Lifting, team sports provide some part of the puzzle but you may find you need an ethical dimension to ground your sense of self-value, in which case volunteering, monthly donations to charity or somesuch can help.

Get into certain habits, avoid others that might make you kick yourself (e.g. hard drugs), do activities which raise your self esteem.

A start.

>>18298090
>Why would I trust myself though?
Why wouldn't you? Why would you trust other people?

> If everyone thinks that someone is attractive that's a fact.

First, there generally isn't a universal consensus on who is attractive. Second, you will never be that person. So why care what everyone else thinks? Third, this sort of attitude is so desperate, and lacking in confidence, you may as well be wearing vagina repellent.

>I don't want to fuck a girl I find attractive, I want a girl that everyone finds attractive to be interested in me.

Do you really not see this as part of the problem? Why would someone want to be with a person that is not genuinely interested in them?

>Honestly I want to feel like I'm a decent person

You aren't really putting yourself out there as a decent person.

>who can be loved by what the society considers a desirable person.

But you're not. And you more than likely never will be. Particularly if your only interest in a girl is the status she will bestow upon you.

>>18298171
> Also it's impossible

Actually its not. It's about forcing yourself out of your comfort zone, learning to react differently, and retraining your behaviors. No one said it's easy, or something that you can change overnight, but it can definitely be done.

If you're boring, go out, take up interesting hobbies. Travel. See shit. Do things. Magically, once you have experiences that people would like to hear about, you become less boring.

There are things you can do to change yourself, more than just on the surface. Whether you want to commit the time and effort to it is up to you.

>>18297496
> Is sex really all it is hyped up to be?

Yes, there is nothing better in the world than having sex with someone you love. Nothing.

>>18298390
Other than having sex with someone you love, and a good looking third party.

>>18298397
Never tried

>>18298278

Here's the final thought I can offer you: YOu are asking for something that you, yourself, are not willing to do. You want people yto give you a chance even though you are average, but you won't give other the same chance.

Good news, though, not everyone is a dick like you. So someone might give you a shot. Let's just hope you give her a shot too. Don't be mad if you refuse and miss your chance.

if youre a boy, when you have a wet dream. if youre a girl, when you have youre first period