So I am now a genuine racist, and I don't know how to handle

>>18269833
This is a lotta effort for a troll thread.

I wonder what was the most complicated troll online for a decent payoff.

>>18269833
Man, I hit that character limit fast.

So, I already had crippling self-loathing before all this, and I'm working on it CONSTANTLY, but the multitude of reasons for my self-loathing are generally things that people have told me are irrational and I shouldn't be using as an excuse to hate myself. Racism is different. Everyone believes that racists are bad and should hate themselves.

I was listening to Ben Shapiro recently. He's one of my favorite pundits. He said that it's not racist to notice that black people disproportionately commit crime (yay) but it IS racist to think it's because of something genetic (uh oh), and that the proper thing to do is recognize that their criminality is a result of socialization.

But IQ and crime are pretty clearly linked. I mean, socialization plays a part in most things, but so does biology. Am I a racist for recognizing this? And does being a racist mean I'm a bad person?

At the very least, I have to give up arguing that conservatives/Trump supporters aren't all racists, because I fucking am one now.

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>At the very least it's going to affect my political views and, therefore, how I vote.

Oh my god dude. For every black person with anger problems there is one terminally autistic white person who defines themselves around politics on anime imageboards.

>>18269841
If I was just looking to troll, wouldn't this be on /pol/ instead of /adv/?

>>18269846
It's not like /pol/ is the only possible place I could've gotten this information. While it is the first place, I always assumed it was just meme bullshit until the JonTron interview happened and I decided to do my own research.

I am autistic, though, yes.

>>18269849
Why aren't you on /pol/? What advice are you asking for, "make me less retarded so I don't want to vote for neocon shills anymore?"

>>18269858
I'm basically trying to ask, how decent people who want to do the right thing (as opposed to the Neo-Nazi crowd) live with themselves after taking the redpill?

>>18269833
Handle it like most people do - keep it to yourself. Racism itself is a fluid term anymore and I see it only getting more broadly defined going forward - much like rape will eventually be considered any sex a white, male has with a woman because of his "privilege". We live in a goofy world maybe because we don't have any large scale wars (ones which most of the population must contribute to fighting), diseases, or other crises to whittle down the population or distract us from the absurd amongst us.

In my opinion, the only way to call attention to it is probably with comedy or satire much like the "left" does. Oscar Wilde (a gay man by the way) once said "If you want to tell the truth, make them laugh otherwise they'll kill you". There's truth to that.

>>18269864
Taking the red pill is realizing crime isn't correlated to "race" but to history, culture, and class struggle and inequality. Americans ate so fucking thick and alienated that they can't understand a social problem unless they filter it through a racial lens instead of seeing the material variables that are in place. That what years and years of mcarthism do to a population.

>>18269846
The difference is the autistic kid is likely not tearing down society by raping the elderly, robbing banks, or doing crack while raising children on welfare.

>>18269864
The fair thing to do when you meet anybody, since your exposure to the world is so limited, is to give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Do not waste your compassion trying to tolerate the behavior you're now aware of, just try your best not to associate with black people, or any people, that aren't capable of thinking for themselves. A lack of humility is a problem among all crowds because the internet age has made everybody self-important morons.

>>18269869
>Racism itself is a fluid term anymore and I see it only getting more broadly defined going forward - much like rape will eventually be considered any sex a white, male has with a woman because of his "privilege"
I completely agreed with you for about a second, but then I flashed back to that segment in the Double Toasted video about the JonTron shit.

>"What, so saying these things makes me a racist?"
>Uh, yeah!

It's like electroshock therapy or something. I feel this awfful jolt every time I try to reason my way into thinking this is okay.

Factually speaking, though, you're probably right. There was a time when to not be racist, you just had to be okay with racemixing.

I'm very conservative and white, but don't consider myself a racist. Honestly, as cliche as it sounds, you have to travel and experience the world through other's eyes. Or at least put yourself in a situation where you're interacting with a diverse crowd.

I grew up in a pretty bad area, so many of my childhood friends were black and Hispanic. I grew up around them and there families, and while there were bad and good black parents (really really bad in some cases), that goes for all races.

My first job out of highscool was a shitty rental car place where it was just me and 5 Mexicans. It was intimidating at first bc I don't speak any Spanish, but eventually we were all shooting the shit and having a great time. They would tell me about their families back in Mexico and share their culture through food and hilarious slang.

Anyways, if you feel isolated from other races as if they are a totally different species, then I suggest you volunteer or join a club or anything that will get you talking/working with a diverse crowd. I know there are crime/iq statistics that favor racism, but everyone is human and we are all just trying to make the best of our short lives.

>>18269872
this

>>18269872
Wait, are you saying that crime isn't related to IQ, or are you saying that IQ differences are the result of generations of class struggle?

>>18269875
I wouldn't phrase it like that, but yeah. I mean, I'd gladly live on welfare if I could, but I wouldn't have kids unless I was middle class and solidly employed. Having kids in any other situation is irresponsible.

>>18269876
>just try your best not to associate with black people, or any people, that aren't capable of thinking for themselves.
That's really good advice, except I don't know if I'm even capable of thinking for myself, so deciding which other people can and can't might be difficult. Still good advice.

>>18269833
>Hell, there's even evidence that African men have higher testosterone levels
isn't one of the core tenets of the red pill movement supposed to be increasing your testosterone levels?
work on your bait

>>18269894
>isn't one of the core tenets of the red pill movement supposed to be increasing your testosterone levels?

That makes your hair fall out doesn't it?

>>18269894
>isn't one of the core tenets of the red pill movement supposed to be increasing your testosterone levels?
The red pill is a meme outside of the Men's Rights/masculinist circles. They're just the ones who managed to register a subreddit with "red pill" in the name first.

>>18269891
>except I don't know if I'm even capable of thinking for myself

Well that just leads to the free will vs determinism argument, which is pretty pointless, all you can do is observe and analyze each situation individually. You weren't made to read minds and if you could, it would probably be even more confusing, because people have really fucking stupid motivations for doing most things that they too, cannot fully understand.

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>>18269833
Here's the trick - follow the Nazi racialism, not the American low IQ racism. Neo Nazis get this wrong and end up as moronic KKK fucktards.

Nazis understood that races were different, and often one is so irrevocably tied to their race as a tribe - I.e. The Jews, they understood that almost all Jews had a strong sense of tribalism and this is why they were fucking over Germany (and all of the hundreds of countries they've been kicked out of), because it benefitted their tribe. The Nazis didn't want to eradicate them, they wanted them to leave and be tribalistic somewhere else, that's why Hitler believed in Israel and bought the island of Madagascar to 'invite' them to fuck off to. But they weren't hardline about this, and understood that any individual can reject their tribalism and work towards a common good - hence the large number of Jewish SS Officers and Werhmacht.

They also believed that while fundamentally different and unique, each race was capable of equal glory and virtue (but that some weren't bothering to achieve this potential) - this is what their Olympics were all about. Nazi citizens loved Jesse Owens for being such a shining exemplar of his race, SS officers hung out with him, he was given all kinds of German awards, kids had posters of him, he was a hero. But the Americans didn't even shake his hand or acknowledge his victory, because they believed blacks and Irish were sub human. This is why the Nazis regarded the Japanese as Asian aryans, but yanks thought they were slanty eyed subhuman gooks.

>This is the final red pill about the Nazis.
They weren't evil racists - they were far more 'progressive' than the Allies, and wanted each race to be virtuous and honourable. It was the pleb tier Americans who believed that their races were higher beings than others, and this is why American Black and Irish G.I.s fighting in Germany had to eat and sleep in separate quarters than the white G.I.s.

>>18269904
Fuckin this.
Anyone shouting about Hurr Durr Niggers are sub human needs to look at the great black men. Ghetto trash black men are a shame and dishonour to them.

>>18269887
I know that we're all human, regardless of color, and I'd never hate someone on a personal level for it. But surely you've noticed that there are more Mexicans in that bad neighborhood than there would be in good neighborhoods, and that most of them probably vote Democrat.

>The Jews, they understood that almost all Jews had a strong sense of tribalism and this is why they were fucking over Germany (and all of the hundreds of countries they've been kicked out of), because it benefitted their tribe.
But I'm Jewish, and I-

>But they weren't hardline about this, and understood that any individual can reject their tribalism and work towards a common good - hence the large number of Jewish SS Officers and Werhmacht.
oh fuck

What you're saying makes sense, but it sounds more like good historical fiction than truth. Would you say that you're a holocaust denier? Or would you say that the Nazis intended to deport the Jews, but decided that exterminating them would be easier? Truth be told, I've theorized for awhile that the gas chambers were rarely, if ever, used, because putting people in close quarters and starving them to death uses less resources.

I have a genetic predisposition to anger, alcoholism, obesity, so on and so forth. We all have genetic hurtles to jump. The clever answer would be one that allows the less fortunate every opportunity to rise above the cards they were dealt. We live in the first age in all of mankind where we have the means to eliminate great amounts of human suffering, but we need to figure out how.

If we could properly

You like TV, OP? Check out the episode of Black Mirror called Men Against Fire, it'll explain it better than I can.

>>18269833
>genes associated with low IQ
Nice bro science.

>>18269937
I'm not a scientist, but intelligence is estimated to be at least 80% genetic. IQ is a human-created means of testing general intelligence, and it correlates with race.

>>18269891
IQ results correlate with shit like nutrition during pregnancy and stress later in life.

>>18269936
>Check out the episode of Black Mirror called Men Against Fire, it'll explain it better than I can.
Thanks! I'll do that when I'm done with the stack of shit I have out from the library right now.

>>18269891
>Wait, are you saying that crime isn't related to IQ, or are you saying that IQ differences are the result of generations of class struggle?

If you literally cannot afford to go to a good school, or even have time to study at school without it being disrupted or having a culture of being trapped in a low socio-economic part of society forever you're probably gonna end up pretty dumb.

Most African Americans are not well off at all. poverty multiplies lots of negative effects on a person, little food, little rest, poor healthcare, no money for a car or your children to eat drives a propensity to take criminal or extreme action.

INB4 "but anon, those monkeys could work together and have a better society, blah blah blah something I made out with circumstantial evidence and no data but the end results and not the cause"

>>18269944
>stress later in life
Wait, I hadn't heard this one. Do you have a sauce on-hand? If not, I'll do some research myself.

>>18269943
So you're fine with AN ESTIMATE about something we mostly don't know shit about to look down on your fellow humans but are too lazy to research what causes the differences? Also you said "genes associated with low IQ", which is beyond retarded.

If you want to fetishize IQ so much, consider that whites are subhumans too compared to Asians and Jews.

>>18269904
This is probably what you're suffering from right here.

If you really read he hasn't really said anything with substance or historical fact. Tribalism? Madagascar? These were all just excuses and lies put out by nazi propagandists. Hitler wasn't playing 50000d chess he was just popular with the most powerful people and held onto it for long enough to brainwash society. He was an awful general and a great public speaker.

none the less, racism really is just the attempt to explain why poor white people's lives suck and blame it on equally dumb black people. Hide it in whatever conspiracy theories and backwards reasoning you want.

>>18269949
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.493.8417&rep=rep1&type=pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19907380

First I found, but there are generally tons of stuff. Also it's obvious. Most people perform like shit under stress and most children grow up into "problem youth" if their surroundings is shit.

>>18269833

>but this doesn't change the fact that the genes associated with low IQ, and by extension a tendency towards violent crime, are part of the same genetic cluster as brown skin. Hell, there's even evidence that African men have higher testosterone levels.

What are your sources for these claims? Please link them, am genuinely curious.

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>>18269917
Putting a bullet in someone's head into a shallow grave uses less resources, that's why every ethnic cleansing in history did this. I don't deny that there were concentration camps - it was wartime and the Jewish bankers were actively being removed from their positions of influence, along with Bolshevists and spies. And remember, there were camps in every country, hell the Americans rounded up every Jap in their country and put them in labour concentration camps.

You should definitely be open minded about the official narrative of the holocaust. There are a lot of reasonable inconsistencies that if you even mention people will scream at you and you will go to prison in Europe for. For instance, the "gas chambers" that guards used to peek into - the doors have a large gap underneath them, and Zyklon B is an immensely toxic gas historically only used to kill lice - clothes fumigated with a small dose could not be touched for a week, or it would be unbearably painful and fatal, but you hear about guards carrying bodies to these "ovens", which are remarkably identical to small bread ovens in every Nazi army base.

The ovens themselves would have used so much fuel and took roughly 8 hours to burn a single body, which was their maximum capacity, and don't produce smoke, yet you hear survivors saying things like they could identify which race was being burnt by the colour of the smoke. It is full of inconsistent details and the fact that historians aren't given permission to conduct tests on these camps, and little facts like no human ashes were ever found at Auschwitz, even in the soil, lead me to seriously have my doubts.

>>18269833
http://www.cracked.com/blog/so-you-have-some-controversial-opinions-about-race/

Article clearly written for you if this isn't bait. There are muh numbers too on the second page.

>>18269956
>lol you're wrong
>but even if you were right, your race a shit

>>18269956
>look down on your fellow humans
I don't look down on anyone until I know they've done bad things. I believe everyone deserves respect until they've done something really awful. The issue is that if I'm in a crowd of black people, I may suspect one of them of having done something awful without any evidence other than statistics.

Also, I am Jewish, but even if I wasn't, IQ differences don't make someone subhuman. It's just that, for whatever reason, a lower IQ leads to a higher tendency towards crime. But until you've done something truly awful, you deserve respect. And even once you're no longer worthy of respect, you're still human, just not a respectable human.

>>18269947
Do you have any book recs?

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>>18269917
>>18269971
Continued

As for the starvation and mass graves - let us not forget that the Allies bombed all supply lines and food stores they could see, which left the Nazis with a choice - feed their citizens and soldiers, or feed the prisoners. Many soldiers and civilians were starving for most of the end of the war, hence why Nazi troops often had to seize food stores from the locals and take them from the enemies.

There was also a horrendous outbreak of Typhus in the camps - carried by lice. Prisoners and guards clothes had to be disinfected with Zyklon B regularly, food was burnt, and huge mass graves had to be dug for the dead guards, prisoners and German civilians who caught it, and they had to be burned.

As for the human soap and lampshades - these have never, ever been found and most historians have quietly stopped mentioning them. Even ISIS, who do some fucked up shit, don't do things like that - do you think a Christian/pagan regime that values honour, integrity and human spirit above all would let that happen?

It is not fiction my man, though a lot of sources try to downplay or hide this, any reputable non-partisan historian will confirm the details.

>>18269968
The Bell Curve, American Renaissance, Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#Heritability_within_and_between_groups

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>>18269977
No one deserves respect, they earn it. I don't respect a trans person just for being trans, I respect them if they stand up to bullies, are honest, have integrity and don't try to insult people or demand things to be their way. But above all, I respect them if they are capable of something great and apply themselves with honour. This is also how I view race - I don't respect a minority by default, they have to prove themselves to be honourable people, they don't get there by merit of their skin. That's why BLM and All Lives Matter is retarded - demanding respect from someone when you have done nothing worthy of respect, or are actually contributing to your race's bad image, is plainly wrong.

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/4/282.abstract?etoc
(2012) Das-Munshi, et. al., conclude that ethnic diversity leads to more psychotic episodes and more social conflict.
http://www.pnas.org/content/108/4/1262.abstract
(2010) Douglas Massey concludes that human ethnocentrism is driven biologically and it is a natural, healthy phenomenon. This is indicated by increases in oxytocin when acting ethnocentrically and decreases when acting in a humanitarian manner to other races. He further concludes that oxytocin motivates in-group favoritism and derogation of the out-group.
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2012.300787
(2012) Alvarez and Levy begin their study by stating their assumption that ethnic diversity will lead to gains in health for African and Mexican Americans and conclude their study by showing that it leads to a degradation in general health of African-Americans, an increase in health in White Hispanics, and a decrease in health in non-White Hispanics. The rates of heart disease and cancer are heightened for all races studied in more ethnically diverse communities.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-7687.2012.01138.x/full
(2012) Vogel, Monesson, and Scott conclude that infants develop ethnocentrism naturally as a means to help their survival and nurture their growth. Babies demonstrate this ethnocentrism before exposure to other races.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~axe/research/AxHamm_Ethno.pdf
(2003) Axelrod and Hammond conclude that ethnocentrism is natural, universal, and likely acquiesced as an evolutionary safeguard response.
http://curis.ku.dk/ws/files/130251172/Dinesen_S_nderskov_Ethnic_Diversity_and_Social_Trust_Forthcoming_ASR.pdf
(2015) Dinesen et. al., conclude that being within 80 metres of an individual of another ethnicity or race reduces social trust and creates feelings of unease. This is concluded to be a natural evolutionary response to the out-group.

>>18269975
It's more like...
>lol you're wrong
>but if you want to follow your wrong train of though further, consider the implications

>>18269977
>a lower IQ leads to a higher tendency towards crime
Yet depending on where you are, it'd be crazy to assume that the black guys around you have lower IQ just because they are black, making it a shitty criteria.

Based on statistics, US of A is a violent shithole compared to Europe, should Europens going there for a holiday suspect that they will get raped and shot simply on that?

>>18269980
Why the fuck would ISIS care about producing soap? Most of them are too dumb for that in the first place. Soap being made from humans happened before the nazis and is a well known fact.

>any reputable non-partisan historian
Name some.

>>18269833
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1977-07996-001
(1976) Sandra Scarr and Richard Weinberg conclude that Black children raised in wealthy White homes show better intellectual performance in their youth than Black children raised in Black homes. This supports the idea of youth malleability in the area of intelligence.
The White children in wealthy White homes performed even better in an amount matching the Black-White gap that can be seen in tests of IQ and academic performance outside of this experiment.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6872626
(1983) Sandra Scarr and Richard Weinberg conclude their experiment from the 1970s by testing the children again as adults.Regardless of youth results, both races regressed to their respective racial means. The White-Black gap still existed and was not reduced.
These findings show that IQ malleability in youth exists, but it levels off as individuals age and subsequently regress to their racial means. These results further prove that there is a genetically heritable component to IQ and that there is an innate difference between different racial groups in this arena

>>18269973
The first half of the article is shit. It doesn't dispute the facts provided by race realists. Instead, it tells you that the facts are probably being used to justify genocide, so I should ignore them even if they are true.

>At the other end, they "only" call for reducing government benefits/immigration (as seen in the book The Bell Curve), figuring that making life more difficult for the genetically inferior races will discourage them from breeding.
I was in support of this before I even got into race realism. I've been a conservative for two and a half years.

>History has taught us that behind the curtain of "using data to figure out which race is best" is usually an intent to inflict real suffering on actual human beings.
Right, so let's agree real suffering inflicted on real human beings is bad.

Sure, you may say "then why look up the facts at all?" Well, it's necessary in the era of Black Lives Matter and The New Jim Crow, where disproportionate arrests of black people are being blamed on the racism of policemen.

With all that said, the stuff about the majority of jobs being gotten through networking was eye-opening. And I never realized Breitbart had a "black crime" tag, and I read them on a daily basis, so that's pretty troubling.

I'm not going to look at all the links at the end of the article right now, but fuuuuuck, that's some good shit I needed to see. Thank you.

>>18269833
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4286575/
(2015) Shakeshaft et al., analyze 360.000 sibling pairs, 9.000 twin pairs, and 3.000.000 18-year-olds in order to determine the heritability of IQ and its relation to genetic factors.
They conclude that IQ is, "familial, heritable, and caused by the same genetic and environmental factors responsible for the normal distribution of intelligence." They show that high-intelligence is, "a good candidate for, 'positive genetics,'" and conclude that there is a positive end to the distribution of intelligence as it is.
They show that there is no support for the Discontinuity Hypothesis that IQ is the result of environment or that mental illness is the result of something besides genetics.
In total, they conclude that IQ is extremely heritable (85% or more), genetic, polygenic, and does not arise from environmental factors but instead merely interacts with them. They show that people with exceptionally high IQs also tend to have other positive traits and very few negative genetic factors or expressed traits. They conclude IQ has almost no relation to de novo mutations, i.e., new mutations in DNA and that it nearly always matches what is heritable. They show that mental illness does not arise from environmental factors either and must arise from genetic factors and their interaction with the environment. These conclusions lend more credence to both Dual-Inheritance and the Continuity Hypothesis of IQs and Mental Illness.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2668913/
(2009) Rushton & Ankney analyze data from various studies of over 1.000.000 individuals and confirm that there is a positive correlation between brain size and IQ. Larger skulls have larger brains on average and larger brains have higher IQs on average.
They conclude that this phenomenon is likely primarily genetic and as socioeconomic conditions reach a certain level the effects of nutrition on this narrow down and genetic gaps thus become more visible and exposed.
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
(2005) Philippe Rushton and Arthur Jensen (author of, "The g Factor") conclude that IQ is the greatest indicator of future success in Western societies when inter-generational income dependence is accounted for.
They also found that IQ is at least 50% heritable and likely nearer to 80% heritable. To draw comparison, height is 70-90% heritable.
During their analysis they concluded that Whites have a minimum of 75% IQ heritability.
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html
Intelligence is highly heritable and polygenic.
This means that crystallized and fluid forms of intelligence are both genetically transferrable from parent-to-child and have a sort of genetic, "stacking," effect. The more intelligence alleles an individual possesses the greater expressed effect unlike epistatic genes like those for hair or skin color.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15651931
(2005) Toga & Thompson conclude that genetic influences on brain morphology also contribute significantly to IQ and in their own words, "A measure of cognitive ability, known as g, has been shown highly heritable across many studies. We argue that these genetic links are partly mediated by brain structure that is likewise under strong genetic control. Other factors, such as the environment, obviously play a role, but the predominant determinant appears to be genetic."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11694885
(2001) Thompson et al., conclude in their own words that, "A genetic continuum was detected in which brain structure was increasingly similar in subjects with increasing genetic affinity. Genetic factors significantly influenced cortical structure in Broca's and Wernicke's language areas, as well as frontal brain regions," and, "Preliminary correlations were performed suggesting that frontal gray matter differences may be linked to Spearman's g, which measures successful test performance across multiple cognitive domains (p < 0.05). These genetic brain maps reveal how genes determine individual differences, and may shed light on the heritability of cognitive and linguistic skills, as well as genetic liability for diseases that affect the human cortex."
This further suggests that brain structure, size, and cognitive performance are all heritable and genetic

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22713927
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3079384/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22963424
(2012) Rushton concludes that there has been no narrowing in the mean Black-White IQ difference predicted by heritable g.
Rushton also invalidates research by Nisbett, Dickens, and Flynn that show black gains in IQ by evaluating their lack of data and use of specious arguments. He shows that the little data they had to prove these points obscured the topic by invoking alleged age and social class interactions and adoption studies of very young children. Their data was based on ideas, not observations. In his own words on the twin studies cited: "There is no evidence of any special cultural influence, such as extreme deprivation or being raised as a visible minority, that operates in one group and not in others."
He shows using a meta-analysis that there has been no reduction in the mean racial differences between Blacks and Whites and that all claims of, "systemic issues," are spurious and unsupported by factual evidence. The credence given to researchers saying that society is to blame for the failures of adopted Blacks comes from a cursory glance at a specious statement - they have no evidence.
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/babies-prefer-individuals-who-harm-those-that-arent-like-them.html
(2013) Karen Wynn shows that infants as young as nine months old prefer individuals who are nice to people of their race and dislike people mean to their race. In addition to this they also like people that are mean to others races and dislike people that are nice to other races.
This occurs before full development of metacognition and the effects are apparent even in youths that have developed metacognition but not been in contact with other races substantially.

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>>18269961
10 shekels have been deposited into your account

The French have financial records of Hitler buying Madagascar from them

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

He also wrote about how much he believes in an Israel as a peaceful homeland for the Jews. He didn't think it was possible to locate it in Jerusalem because the Palestinians had been living there for thousands of years, but that didn't matter to the Allies (surprise surprise). Do you deny this? Are Mein Kampf and the memoirs of top Nazis propaganda too?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289605000917
(2006) Templer & Arikawa analyze populations by temperature, skin color, per capita income, and IQ and find stark correlations between all of them.
They were able to accurately predict individual IQ by skin color (0,92), mean high Winter temperature of their race (0,76), mean low Winter temperature of their race (0,66), and per capita income (0,63). These findings provide strong support for the idea that colder climates caused selection for higher IQs over an evolutionary epoch.
This helps to explain why groups from hotter climates like those found in Africa are less intelligent and thus earn lower incomes.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/309/5741/1720
(2005) Mekel-Bobrov et al., conclude that the gene ASPM is a specific regulator of brain size, and its evolution in the lineage leading to Homo sapiens was driven by strong positive selection. They show that one genetic variant of ASPM in humans arose merely about 5.800 years ago in Eurasia and has since swept to high frequency across Eurasia under strong positivel selection.
The gene is almost non-existent in Sub-Saharan Africa.
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Thomas-99-intelligence.pdf
(1998) Thomas, Miller & Mascie-Taylor conclude that the EST00083 ("expressed sequence tag") is an mtDNA (mitochondrial; maternal) polymorphism found more often in high IQ groups. It is articularly common in Europe (less so in Asia) where it is associated with a lineage that dates back 35.000 years. It is nearly non-existent in Africa.
This finding goes along with a discovery by Turner & Partington in 1991 that shows mothers are the primary component in a child's intelligence.

>>18270002
>should Europens going there for a holiday suspect that they will get raped and shot simply on that?
If they go to the cities, maybe.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2999198?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
(1998) The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education concludes that at all family income levels, there is a persisting racial gap in SAT scores and that the poorest White children outperform the richest Black children. This further suggests that environment is not the explanation for intelligence or the racial testing gap.
These findings are supported by (Binkley & Collin, 2013; North Carolina SAT Report, 2010; Dixon-Roman & Ezekiel et al., 2013; La Griffe du Lion Volume II Number III, 2000; Wightman, 1994; Murray & Herrnstein, 1996; Scarr & Weinberg, 1983; Scarr & Weinberg, 1976; Ciotti, 1998; Arthur Jensen, 1998; Keyes et al., 2009; Miller et al., 2012; Hicks et al., 2004; Iacono et al., 1999; Hur & Bouchard, 1995; Alford, Funk & Hibbing, 2005; Block & Block, 2005; Bouchard et al., 2012; Lykken et al., 1993)

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa-298.pdf
(1998) Paul Ciotti analyzes, "The Kansas City Desegregation Experiment," and shows its results.
For decades critics of the public schools have been
saying, "You can't solve educational problems by throwing money at them." The education establishment and its supporters have replied, "No one's ever tried." In Kansas City they did try. To improve the education of black students and encourage desegregation, a federal judge invited the Kansas City, Missouri, School District to come up with a cost-is-no object educational plan and ordered local and state taxpayers to find the money to pay for it.
Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per Black pupil–more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.
The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.
The Kansas City experiment suggests that, indeed, educational problems can't be solved by throwing money at them, that the structural problems of our current educational system are far more important than a lack of material resources, and that the focus on desegregation diverted attention from the real problem, low achievement.

>>18269833
Listen OP
You can be aware of general trends and not be a cunt

You are *not* a bad person

You can know that yes, blacks on average are more likely to be criminal. But is your sister criminal? No? Then you shouldn't see her as one.

Yes, anger issues are genetic. They can also come from the way you are raised. And they are not the most important thing about a person.

Basically OP, you can notice things and be aware of facts concerning the majority of a population and still judge people individually. America is a fat country, but when you see a skinny person you don't think they're fat just because they're in America.

https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/factor-analysis-of-population-allele-frequencies-as-a-simple-novel-method-of-detecting-signals-of-recent-polygenic-selection-copy.pdf
(2002) Davide Piffer concludes that the genes rs9320913 (A), rs3783006 (C), rs8049439 (T), rs13188378 (G), rs11584700 (G), rs4851266 (T), rs2054125 (T), rs3227 (C), rs4073894 (A) and rs12640626 are genes associated with intelligence and brain-size. rs236330 is a gene strongly expressed in neurons, including hippocampal neurons and developing brains, where it regulates neuronal morphology.
rs324650 is a gene involved in neuronal excitability, synaptic plasticity and feedback regulation of acetylcholine release.
East Asian populations (Japanese, Koreans, Bei-Chinese) have the highest average frequency of these alleles (39%) with the slimmest curve of distributions. Europeans have the second-highest amount of these alleles (35,5%) with a right-leaning and wide curve. Sub-Saharan Africans have the lowest frequencies of these alleles (16,4%) with a remarkably slim curve of distributions. He states that these are not the only genes associated with intelligence but they are some of the known genes for intelligence and brain-size determination. They vary in prevalence across different populations and are evidence of recent polygenic selection.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1893020/
(2007) Witherspoon et. al., conclude that Lewontin's Fallacy that individuals within populations are more genetically unique than between populations is false when more than one genetic variable is used.
They show that Lewontin's Fallacy is based upon cherry-picked selection of specific single nucleotide polymorphisms common to all humans and upon selecting for as few as two single nucleotide polymorphisms the differences become readily apparent and classable. Genetic stratification as a result of this is inevitable without cherry-picking.
When comparing populations at an individual locus they can be shown to be similar and possibly overlapping - when scientists analyze populations over many thousands of loci they never overlap
http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/
All the immigrants are the top of the top. Not to mention article has no data on them performing as well as whites is simply states that they perform better than African Americans.
They then go on to claim that the amount of them in academia proves that they are doing well as we both know that is not the case.

>>18269990

So you're going off of one source that's from wikipedia?

This judgement you make about your sister will have some very lasting impacts throughout your life (and possibly hers), so before you make it you should be sure you have a lot of strong evidence for it and understand that evidence as best as possible. You need to find the studies that prove your assertions and actually read the literature. Maybe read counter-arguments towards those studies as well, while finding reasons to disprove them. This is the type of life decision that you want to make confidently, so you should probably be dedicating some of your time into really reading into it while trying to limit your own biases as much as possible. Approach the sources you normally get this info from skeptically and scientifically, try to actually prove or disprove their claims.

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Well there you go anon, no point having any opinions about race if you can't retain all of the information posted here.

Humans can be genetically categorized into five racial groups, corresponding to traditional races.
http://pritchardlab.stanford.edu/publications/pdfs/RosenbergEtAl02.pdf
Genetic analysis "supports the traditional racial groups classification."
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
"Human genetic variation is geographically structured" and corresponds with race.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15508000
Race can be determined via genetics with certainty for >99.8% of individuals.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15625622
Oral bacteria can be used to determine race.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-oral-bacteria-fingerprint-mouth.html
Race can be determined via brain scans.
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(15)00671-5
Common-sense racial categories have biological meaning.
http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/Race2.pdf
Human intelligence up to 75% inheritible
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/12061787/Intelligence-genes-discovered-by-scientists.html
Human intelligence is highly heritable.
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html

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Reckon you could link a pastebin with all these studies together? I'm on mobile and won't be able to archive these before the thread 404s
Thanks man

Achievement Gaps How Black and White Students in Public Schools Perform in Mathematics and Reading on the National Assessment of Educational Progress
https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/studies/2009455.pdf
Academic Performance and Spending over the Past 40 Years
http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa746.pdf
The Myth of Racial Disparities in Public School Funding
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/04/the-myth-of-racial-disparities-in-public-school-funding
Black incomes are up, but wealth isn’t
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/30/black-incomes-are-up-but-wealth-isnt/
Raw data for correlation between Avg. Homicide rate and GDP per capita:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries
http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/IHS-rates-05012009.pdf
Analysis of 45 studies on the relationship between income inequality, poverty, and violent crime:
http://search.proquest.com/criminaljusticeperiodicals/docview/194775428/fulltextPDF/13F966D028A7BE2828D/2
The positive association between general crime rates and wealth in Black nations:
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/P&E%20Crime.pdf
Crime rates and economic conditions in recent US history:
http://business.pages.tcnj.edu/files/2013/07/Durante-thesis-2012.pdf
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/income-inequality-is-at-an259516.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748703580904574638024055735590
http://www.businessinsider.com/march-labor-force-participation-rate-2013-4
http://www.ou.edu/cls/online/lstd2333/pdfs/unit4incomeinequality

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Or nvm looks like some anon is doing the work for you in this thread lmao
Not that their posts should be taken 100% at face value (still need to be examined) but thanks for the links, whoever you are.

>>18270054
I'll see what I can do

Stereotype threat debunk
http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/a0026617
>Gijsbert Stoet and David C. Geary reviewed the evidence for the stereotype threat explanation of the achievement gap in mathematics between men and women. They concluded that the relevant stereotype threat research has many methodological problems, such as not having a control group, and that the stereotype threat literature on this topic misrepresents itself as "well established". They concluded that the evidence is in fact very weak.[11]

THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE
DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY
>https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
>http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen-reply-to-commentaries-on-30years.pdf
Black percentage is the greatest predictor of homicide rates after controlling for all socioeconomic factors
https://books.google.com/books?id=vgHgNsmZ3vsC&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=black+percentage+greatest+predictor+homicide+rates&source=bl&ots=PD-0cXWLp9&sig=G8ga6GRVASP3DP81q2nzc3msq04&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEpKjMlqPQAhXHWSYKHTM9BkEQ6AEIGjAG#v=onepage&q=black%20percentage%20greatest%20predictor%20homicide%20rates&f=false

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Fuck

It's people like you that made me do my own research about the Nazis instead of just watching movies and school documentaries, and now I can never go back
This got me reading about the British Fascists, who weren't white supremacists at all, Mosley states that any man of any race can be a leader if he is honourable and upstanding

T-thanks anon

Minnesota transracial adoption study proves environmental factors does not account for IQ gap Every adoption study the adopted blacks scored lower than the biological whites and flynn effect is not an increase in general intelligence. Tizard study sample size was extremely small and could not be replicated and The Eyferth study, 25% of the "blacks" were algerians and such, and further more the blacks were the cream of the crop. Those poor studies can't refute the Minnesota transracial adoption study
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
http://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOPSYJ/TOPSYJ-3-9.pdf
http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen-reply-to-commentaries-on-30years.pdf
http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/Rushton,%20J.%20Philippe%20%26%20Arthur%20R.%20Jensen.%20%22The%20rise%20and%20fall%20of%20the%20Flynn%20Effect%20as%20a%20reason%20to%20expect%20a%20narrowing%20of%20the%20Black-White%20IQ%20gap.%22%20Intelligence%2038%20(2010).pdf
Flynn effect does not occur on g
http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/Is-the-Flynn-effect-on-g-A-meta-analysis.pdf
>muh lewontins fallacy.
There is greater genetic variation within the chimpanzee populations (fst) than betwen chimps and humans.
No biologist would say we are not a different species. Small genetic differences have a HUGE impact.
Rising black scores due to flynn effect does no t correspond to a greater increase in general intelliegence aka the g factor.
https://newrepublic.com/article/115787/rising-iq-scores-dont-mean-greater-intelligence

>>18270054
Threads here get archived, you have three days probably to get the info before it 404s. If you can't, I'll update the /pol/ race pastbin soon

Here is the link to it:

pastebin.com/4qDqptnR

>>18270089
>there is greater genetic variation within the chimpanzee populations than between chimps and humans

Fug. Actually made me laugh out loud with shock. Race denialists actually deny basic genetics and evolution, how 'scientific'. Thanks Bill Nye

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>>18270100
Yeah, I can't get it in time, thanks man. This is pretty much a comprehensive set of studies on the motivation and explanation for all of history, has anyone written a book on tribalism? Perhaps we should meme one into the best sellers, it would certainly wake people up to the JQ and why multiculturalism has failed

Just think, a $7 'donation' to meme a book like that into Waterstones and airport shops, or at the least Amazon best sellers or book charts. Plus we'd be making the long-suffering guy who wrote it pretty well off to continue his research and work, and have a good defense against getting Mossad'd or Hate Speech'd.

>>18270089
Flynn effect does not occur on g therefore it does not mean shit. Negroes are not seeing increases in general intelligence.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1041608013001556
https://newrepublic.com/article/109026/are-we-getting-smarter-rising-iqs-james-flynn
>In spite of his new book’s title, Flynn does not suggest a simple yes or no to this last question. It turns out that the greatest gains have taken place in subtests that measure abstract reasoning and pattern recognition, while subtests that depend more on previous knowledge show the lowest score increases. This imbalance may not reflect an increase in general intelligence, Flynn argues, but a shift in particular habits of mind. The question is not, why are we getting smarter, but the much less catchy, why are we getting better at abstract reasoning and little else?
>This imbalance may not reflect an increase in general intelligence, Flynn argues, but a shift in particular habits of mind
Flynn admits that rises in iq scores do not correspond to an increase in general intelligence

>>18270120
Try "Myth of the Twentieth century" by Alfred Rosenberg. I have a few books on multiculturalism in regards to america and south Africa but their name escapes me, these studies should be fine though.

Not many books touch on just tribalism, because its not that big of a subject. I'll probably start printing small booklets and posters soon, the people need to be racially awakened first before anything like Dr William pierce said.

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>>18269833
The individual is a better outcome predictor than their group membership categorically.

>>18269833
OP here is some links info about the holohoax if you're having doubts or need your memory refreashing (as if the Jews don't do it enough):

>holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com (many studies and videos on the subject)
>http://www.cwporter.com/bild1.htm (THE ILLUSTRATED AUSCHWITZ LIE)
>http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.au/2006/12/victories-of-revisionism.html and http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/victories-of-revisionism-continued.html
>>18270089
https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/inbreeding/ (on inbreeding an outbreeding depression)

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>>18269833
Source for you pic

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>>18270162
Here some info on Natsoc economics (yes I know its stormfront but where else will you get a summary of it)

National Socialist Economics Finally Explained
>https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t653197/
NSDAP monetary system
>https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t930983/

I'm you are newly redpilled, "The greatest story never told" and "The money masters" should be a must to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XExjrZxTdk
https://youtu.be/2aRpOhXQ4N4

If you got any questions or book requests, stormfront is always a great source or ask the guys in a /nsg/ thread if one is up. 8ch /pdfs/ has many books if your interested

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This is the url, I can't post it due to word filter

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>>18269833
>being racist
>wont affect how you vote

>>18269833
When dealing with statistics, you have outliers, and your sister sounds like an exception compared to negroes in general. You can still be a race-realist/National Socialist and love your adopted sister. I still treat other races with respect when I first approach them (although with caution), however if they're hostile and rude then that respect is revoked obviously. If you're worried how she will react, don't reveal your "powerlevel".

Truth is what matters the most, so don't let emotions get in the way.

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>>18269947
Titled “Race, Wealth and Incarceration: Results from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth,”

Participants were then grouped by race and their household wealth, and researchers then went back through the data to see how many people in each group were arrested and jailed for criminal activity. The study excluded all those who were only briefly locked up, as opposed to full incarceration.

The “poverty” graduations were divided into ten groups of ten percentiles, broken up by income levels

The results found that about 2.7 percent of the poorest white young males ultimately went to prison, while 10.47 percent of black males in that category went to prison, and 7.16 percent of Hispanics.

In the next income category up, 20.48 percent of blacks went to prison, as opposed to 3.13 percent of whites, and 14.56 percent of Hispanics.

The disparity remains constant throughout the entire range, with the percentage of whites being imprisoned never rising about 6.36 percent.

Only the very wealthiest black youth—those whose household wealth exceeded $69,000 in 2012 dollars—had a better chance of avoiding prison than the poorest white youth. Among black young people in this group, 2.4 percent were incarcerated.

>>18269833
>a tendency towards violent crime
No evidence of this, just racists spouting bullshit and twisting statistics to suit this narrative.
Sorry you fell for the /pol/ meme, OP.
>My sister has anger management issues because she's black
>Even though my whole family does
>But it's especially her because she's black
Brainwashed as fuck. Sad.

>>18270208
>/pol/ak tries to brainwash a jew for the cause
Oh 4chains, never change.

>>18269995
Your logic is flawed because proof is subjective. Someone could put God in front of an atheist and they can still say, "that's not god".

You may have evidence for a shitty case but it doesn't make proof of anything.

I don't understand how knowing that a certain part of the population is always going to have lower IQ changes anything politically. It was the same before, no? There are a lot of stupid people in the world in general, one more group shouldn't really have to change anything.

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>>18270300
>thread full of evidence
>look up any FBI crime statistic
>thread full of scientific studies
>people are just posting facts and evidence, not hate or rhetoric

"B-b-but there's no evidence!" Nice argument.
Clear who is brainwashed here

>>18270308
What are you even arguing about? He described how respect works. Your name is appropriate

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>>18270168
FACT: Black males have the highest homicide rate of any race in America (mostly caused by other black males)

FACT: Black males are the only race where the leading cause of death is homicide (mostly caused by other black males)

White males leading cause of death 2011
15-19 #3 homicide 9.2%
20-24 #3 homicide 7.8%
25-34 #5 homicide 5.7%
https://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2011/lcod_whitemen2011.pdf

Black males leading cause of death 2011
15-19 #1 homicide 50%
20-24 #1 homicide 49.2%
25-34 #1 homicide 34.2%
https://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2011/lcodblackmales2011.pdf

FACT: Gun deaths, Blacks are 82% homicides (mostly caused by other black males) while White gun related deaths only 19% homicides

U.S. firearm death by type and race
White firearm deaths
77% suicide
19% homicide
Black firearm deaths
14% suicide
82% homicide

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2015/12/15/guns-and-race-the-different-worlds-of-black-and-white-americans/

FACT: Despite only making up around 13% of the population, Blacks lead the country in murders (mostly caused by black males)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2015.xls

FACT: 84.9% of the violent crime between Blacks and Whites, Blacks are the aggressor.

https://jtf.org/blacks-were-the-attackers-in-84-9-percent-of-the-violent-crimes-involving-blacks-and-whites/

>>18270308
collect your dildos and your cats and die alone ya old hag

>>18270326
Where is your proof that black people genetically have a tendency toward violent crime? Crime rates aren't proof of DNA, sorry.

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>>18270327
AND this is taking into account police are incredibly worried about being prosecuted for being racist, so they're likely to be haphazard about filing paperwork for white crime, but autistically precise about black crime.

It's this way in Britain and Europe - in fact they directly lie sometimes to spin the statistics to make minorities look better, for example when the police and government reported that the Cologne rape attack was perpetrated by white Germans instead of 100% immigrant men, most of whom didn't come from a war torn country.

>>18270337
Also, jews, arabs, Indians and even hispanics are counted as WHITE in some of these studies. I believe this is so for the FBI statistics

>>18269833
Replace "niggers" with "men", since these commit much more violent crime and rapes than women. Do you feel threatened when surrounded by men?

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>>18270336
There is a direct correlation between low IQ and aggressiveness/violent reaction to confusion or processing overload. Basically if you're dumb, you're more likely to lash out and commit crime in an unfamiliar, taxing or stressful situation (such as being poor).
Higher testosterone, as is recorded in blacks, as well as more fast-twitch muscle fibres, leads to more physically dangerous, impulsive and emotionally aggressive males, and less sexually desirable females (which might partly explain why black women aren't raped by white men).

There is also a deep ingrained culture that can be seen manifested in both American blacks, West Indian and African blacks of violence, lowbrow cultural trappings, disposable absent fathers, gang violence and mob mentality. Africa is largely a shithole not only for geopolitical reasons but also for cultural reasons, and many psychologists have reasoned that culture is directly linked to race and racial characteristics (Asians having an academic and disciplined culture because of higher IQ and lower testosterone).

Having said that, if a black person is aware of their genetic makeup and racial behavioural characteristics, there is nothing stopping them from breaking the mold and rejecting behaviour like that. Jesse Owens, Martin Luther King and other exemplars are perfect symbols of this virtuous potential.

Or you know, dismiss all this as pol memes and continue to wonder why questioning black crime is hate speech

>>18270362
>There is a direct correlation between low IQ and aggressiveness/violent reaction to confusion or processing overload. Basically if you're dumb, you're more likely to lash out and commit crime in an unfamiliar, taxing or stressful situation (such as being poor).
Well show us the proof then already, for non-blacks so we can be objective on this

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>>18270356
If he was a woman, he should naturally feel a little worried to be around people who are more violent, aggressive, lower IQ and with a brutish culture.

Women have developed natural psychological warnings around men because of the fact that men are more dangerous and likely to harm them than other women.

What is your point?

>>18270371
Even if he' a man, there is a much, much higher chance to get raped/attacked/killed by a man than a women, yet he only focuses on niggers.

>>18270369
"Intellectual ability and aggressive behavior in nonclinical-nonforensic males," Peter R. Giancola and Amos Zeichner, Journal of Psychopathology and Behavioral Assessment

I can find more but I'm on mobile, you look it up if it challenges your dogma so much dum-dum

>>18270362
>Basically if you're dumb, you're more likely to lash out and commit crime in an unfamiliar, taxing or stressful situation (such as being poor).
[citation needed]
>(which might partly explain why black women aren't raped by white men).
What is slavery, what is the prevalence of missionaries going to African countries specifically to molest children, etc.
>disposable absent fathers, gang violence and mob mentality.
This was worsened in America by use of welfare incentives, the war on drugs, deliberate crippling of education, etc. Additionally, I'd like to see examples of absentee father figures, "lowbrow cultural trappings, gang violence and mob mentality" unique to Africa and the West Indies,a nd explanations as to why theirs is worse than that of other regions' (such as the Middle East).
>Africa is largely a shithole not only for geopolitical reasons
Not all or even most of Africa is a shithole, speaking as someone who lives here.
>but also for cultural reasons,
[citation needed]
>(Asians having an academic and disciplined culture because of higher IQ and lower testosterone).
Traditionally, African people are known to have academic, disciplined, respect-based cultures. Of course, since your only knowledge of Africa is probably spear-chucker OOGA BOOGA stereotypes, you probably didn't take this into account.
>Having said that, if a black person is aware of their genetic makeup and racial behavioural characteristics,
Nothing in your post has cited genetics or provided proof of "racial behavior". It is one large opinion piece masquerading as fact, and it's frankly embarrassing.
Statistics are not considered hate speech, but your misguided misuse of them to make blanket statements are. I'd consider them more retarded speech than hate speech, though.

>>18270376
>You go look for information that may not even exist so that MY point can be backed up!
The burden of proof is on he who makes the claim.

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>>18270374
*Even if he's a black, there is a much, much higher chance to get raped/attacked/killed by a black than a white

>>18270379
Citations:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2254220/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3820075/

>Africa is shit but not for cultural reasons
I don't hate Africa for being underdeveloped for the last few thousand years, I just understand why. And like I said, there is nothing stopping Africans from becoming self aware and rejecting their barbarism and backwards cultures like the West, and many Africans have, so no, my opinion is not formed by Kalahari Bushmen or whoever you're referring to as "ooga boogas".

Name me one successful African city that isn't a Western colony, a Chinese manufacturing centre, an Arabic population or settled and founded by the Boers.

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>>18270399
What are the pyramids and the fact that Jesus was black lmao

>>18270399
>*Even if he's a black, there is a much, much higher chance to get raped/attacked/killed by a black than a white
It doesn't really matter in the end, since the chance being attacked by a man is much, much higher. At best you can argue that you should be even more afraid of niggers but it'd be silly to be afraid of niggers while being cool with the source of most danger: men.

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>>18270405
Nah I was just being ironic but it comes across as poisoning the well, but still.

I can't name any African cities that strived for the same levels of virtue, knowledge, wealth pooling and investment and other (admittedly western) standards of 'greatness' like the other major empires of the globe for the last few thousand years. Your history has seemed to stay as simple tribal wars and little investment into agriculture or infrastructure, and since the boom in warlords selling their people as slaves to the rest of the world, it seems like a catalogue of African civilisations selling off their resources and gutting their land, all the while rampant with the kind of crime that literally terrifies Westerners (see Somalia, Rwanda, Sierra Leone etc).

I am genuinely curious why this is and is hasten to call genetics into it but I can't find enough evidence except to suggest that plains Africans have simply continued to remain adapted to long distance hunting and nomadic settlement as their primary way of life, whereas other civilisations are built on genetic adaptations to fit harsher climes and different ways of life (inuit's blood circulation when putting their hands into cold water, Caucasian albinoidism and milk and granary diet, lactose tolerance etc) as catalysts for a different kind of civilisation, and to discount IQ differences as contributing to differences in civilisations seems close minded.

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>>18270399
Neither of those links have anything to say about genetics in Africans pointing toward violent or antisocial behavior. You could make the argument for low IQ in black people, but then you'd be ignoring the fact that low scoring on IQ tests (which are highly based on the test takers' literacy skills) can be chalked up to poor education (which, in the case of America and several parts of Africa, is a direct result of decent education either being deliberately hampered, or worsened by other issues such as war, disease, political unrest, etc).
>I don't hate Africa for being underdeveloped for the last few thousand years, I just understand why
You clearly do not, considering you'd rather blame the "genetics!" boogeyman instead of analyzing the complex political atmospheres and history of most African countries, which is the cringy part. That, and it's far from "underdeveloped".
>Name me one successful African city that isn't a Western colony, a Chinese manufacturing centre, an Arabic population or settled and founded by the Boers.
You're working from the logic that these places are only good because people from other cultures set foot on them, not that they received attention from other cultures precisely because they were good. Your "But not those cities...!" is ridiculous because colonization is long since over (so there's no westerners to thank for maintaining these cities), and bringing up Chinese manufacturers is extra kekworthy because they only came in very recently and the bulk of what they've done is rape the natural resources for gold and pave some roads, so you can't actually credit them for much development or infrastructure within the continent. It's grasping.

>>18270407
We do. We take precautions to shield people from men. We police our men and stop them from bullying and being cruel to weaker members of society like women and children. We treat the hierarchy of who is committing violence and crime very seriously until it comes to races, even if it would be very effective for a more peaceful society to take it on board, for example Stop and Frisk in New York, which profiled black men - and surprise surprise, NY became a lot more peaceful and less dangerous once it was implemented.

>>18270399
Forgot to address this
>I just understand why. And like I said, there is nothing stopping Africans from becoming self aware and rejecting their barbarism and backwards cultures like the West,
Can you explain to me how and why African cultures are instrinsically "barbaric" and "backwards"?
>so no, my opinion is not formed by Kalahari Bushmen or whoever you're referring to as "ooga boogas".
You haven't really done a decent job of proving that with what you said in the greentext above, so I'm not sure why you would add "so no" to connect these points. You've done nothing to demonstrate that you know anything about African culture (except that you probably Googled and found the name "Kalahari Bushmen").

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>>18270424
Okay, so which of these African cities were comparable to other contemporary great cities of the world before other cultures came and colonised/adopted them?
And no I don't hate Africa, I just don't subscribe to the doublethink that Africa has been left behind the rest of the world because le mean politics and other people's fault. It has always been vastly resource rich, and had the potential to adopt all of the technology that swept the rest of the world, for example Roman or Egyptian irrigation or ancient Grecian mining. It seems it is only a history or rounding each other up as slaves, hunting the wildlife and selling off its land to more enterprising peoples, and then being exploited because it can't even defend itself when gunpowder had existed for centuries. It is a history of its best minds leaving it and migrating to host nations, such as the Moors. It has, arguably, had very little contribution to the developed world for centuries except for imported labour, of which it is doubtful if that was even crucial to the founding of America. Can you tell me any significant reason why this is, very briefly?

>>18269833
Not all black people have anger issues OP.
Not all black people are fucking gheto hobo junkies...

However, being a gheto hobo junkie with anger issues is closer to the mean among black people than it is for white people.

That is a fact.

Another fact however, is that if you are born in poverty, chances that you will be poor are much much higher than if you were born in a rich family. It's about SOCIAL NORMS AND EXPECTATIONS.

The same shit applies to many niggers. People expect them to become criminals, in fact it's seen as cool. Their brothers are in prison, and their dads, so they end up going down the same road.

However if your dad is a lawyer and all what is "cool" is not to be a criminal, but to study at a top university, there you go with your social expectations for many white people.

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>>18270449
Yeah that's true
Jewish media has always pushed average or low IQ Nigs into dreaming of becoming illiterate thugs and runaway dads wearing gold chains not iron ones. Democrats have also encouraged black mothers to kick out the dads for the Gibsmedat welfare, which raises another generation of retarded, criminal rapist delinquents, who in turn will abandon their children to the single mother/welfare state

Bring back military schools and involuntary service for blacks

>>18270446
You're trying to use your own lack of knowledge as evidence that there is nothing.
http://www.skwirk.com/p-c_s-14_u-487_t-1326_c-5099/pre-colonial-africa/nsw/pre-colonial-africa/indigenous-peoples-colonisation-and-contact-africa/africa-before-european-colonisation
http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/10/01/10-pre-colonial-african-kingdoms-you-probably-dont-know-about/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Mapungubwe
One quick search, literally.

>>18270446
>of which it is doubtful if that was even crucial to the founding of America
>"A-America didn't need slaves!"
Sure, that's why they got so triggered they had a literal war when the concept of slavery being abolished got too big.

>>18270472
>involuntary service
Where i live, we have involuntary service for everyone.

This would actually be cheaper to the US government, so don't give them any ideas.

OP here. I had to go, but I'm back.

>>18270033
Thank you for all of this, anon.

>>18270035
And thank you.

>>18270229
I was saying that it will.

>>18270502
You're aware most whites didn't own a slave? You're aware Britain hadn't owned slaves on its land since 1066 and the emancipation was largely political, but also about following the Brits' ethical standard?
Whites could have built America without some slaves picking cotton, that's why they freed them. Some people don't like being told what to do by moralists, that's why there was war. To them it was like giving up your dog, who is also your butler, nanny to your children and sometimes your friend, to the progressives.

>>18270551
>You're aware most whites didn't own a slave?
Why does it matter? Most people are irrelevant for politics. The ones with money count and they did have their fair share of negros.

>hadn't owned slaves on its land
Guess that makes it okay.

>>18270580
>Africa only sold 2% of its own slaves per annum to America
>it continues to be one of the largest centres of slavery, human right abuse and human trafficking on the globe
What a great cuntry you guys have, good to see you're so ethical and loyal to your own people
:^)

>>18270300
>my whole family does
Not my whole family, just two people.

>>18270588
>America keeps fucking over their poorfags and imprisoning them
What a great cuntry you guys have, good to see you're so ethical and loyal to your own people
:^)

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As a white Brit, I'm proud of my people. I'm proud of its rich past, but also the fact that we've put aside so many of the cruel and backwards practices of our past and made an effort to put right most of the problems our nations or corporations made in the past. I have criticisms for our government and the alien people arriving on our lands and regret a lot of its decisions, but on the whole I am proud of my people, my culture, the inventions we have contributed, the philosophy and science we have developed, our arts, human rights, language and our ambition.

Meanwhile black people.
Step it up

>>18270371
>>18270374
For whatever reason, it's not controversial to talk about how men are more violent, and it's socially acceptable to be more afraid of men after dark in the city than women.

>>18270616
At least niggers didn't kill hundreds of millions of people in two centuries alone.

>>18270429
>and surprise surprise, NY became a lot more peaceful and less dangerous once it was implemented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City
>Research suggests that stop-and-frisk had few effects, if any, on crime in New York City.[8][9]

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>>18270631
They tried, but they weren't very good at it with their technology and organisational skills.

They were also far crueller than Europeans, and incredibly good at enslaving people and treating them like chattel. For every 1 black slave sold to the US there were 10 whites sold by Africa, long before Europe started buying them. They treated their slaves worse than any European ever did.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

>>18270616

What if I am a productive half-black person whose white half has origins in Britain?

>>18270660
Explains why you're productive
Jk

As many anons have said in this thread, nothing is stopping blacks from being self aware of their race's shitty characteristics and tendencies, and rejecting them for a higher virtue. This is what Nazi anon said here >>18269904 and I believe it's the only way to raise the black race's profile from out of the ditch it's currently residing in. It is the individual's honus to reduce crime, reduce violent tendencies and make up for/improve IQ through education, mindfulness and discipline. But there's a long way to go to even catch up to other races, thanks to several generations of complacency, regression and lethargy in America, and a whole continent full of Gibsmedats, gang-bangers and pirates. And the millions of Africans flooding into Europa for the free shit and available, unprotected women/children are not helping race reputation. If white guilt and conscience is a thing, then Jesus Christ, imagine what black guilt would feel like if people were intellectually and historically honest.

>>18270642
>incredibly good at enslaving people and treating them like chattel
Because Europeans treated slaves any different?

>For every 1 black slave sold to the US there were 10 whites sold by Africa
>Davis estimates that 1 million to 1.25 million white Christian Europeans were enslaved in North Africa, from the beginning of the 16th century to the middle of the 18th
>Sixteenth- and 17th-century customs statistics suggest that Istanbul's additional slave import from the Black Sea may have totaled around 2.5 million from 1450 to 1700.
From your own link. These are some shitty numbers. They clearly need to step their game up.

vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>Current estimates are that about 12 million Africans were shipped across the Atlantic,[6] although the number purchased by the traders is considerably higher

>They treated their slaves worse than any European ever did.
Proof?

Also where is an African country starving off 25+ millions in India? What about their concentration camps? Sounds pretty bad desu. This is all before we go to genocides in Americas and Australia.

>>18270598
>imprisoning them
Only when they break the law.

>>18270691
The concept of Africa voluntarily starving anyone is pretty far fetched lol

Are you discounting the black slaves sold by Africans to each other? The Egyptian slaves? Your history isn't great anon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa

>slavery continues to this day in some African countries
Nice.png

And I don't think you want to go into African genocides, your people are pretty well known for that (or maybe they don't teach you any of that in Burger school). Last time I checked, the West hasn't committed any genocides or ethnic cleansing in the last, ahem, decade (apart from White replacement, thanks Juden)

http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/03/targets-in-south-africas-genocide-all-white/

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>>18270208
>unironically believing stormfront is a credible source

ayyy

>>18270742
>hey, they suck too!
You're kinda missing the point here. I never said niggers are great, simply that they did less damage to others.

Listing crimes Europeans committed against other Europeans would crash this site but again, not the point here.

>>18270678
>If white guilt and conscience is a thing, then Jesus Christ, imagine what black guilt would feel like if people were intellectually and historically honest.
Like The Boondocks?

>>18270742
>muh white replacement
>da joos

you had to go full retard

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>>18270760
You're missing the point. Africa has been as evil and despicable as most of Europe, except it is too incapable, poor and unorganised to do it to many people except themselves. Europe atoned for its societal sins and expansionist policy 80 years ago. Africa still ethnically cleanses, religiously cleanses, sells slaves and has entire economies built on indentured workers, trafficking, pirating and drugs. Human rights, equality and freedom of speech are a joke. Parts of it are basically Saudi Arabia if Saudi Arabia couldn't read.
It's even similar to Saudi Arabia in the fact that it's always had great resources and almost boundless land to farm and develop.

And it's contributed nothing. I use no African inventions in my life. I use no African language, African art is only a novelty, I've never heard of an African philosopher, African medicine or African scientists, and we still use the work of Greeks from 2500 years ago here. Why is this? What is it about Africa that has never let it achieve its potential at any part of the 20,000 years of civilised history?

Almost all of the world has had an endless cycle of great civilisations rising and falling, but where are the great ruins in Africa that weren't built by Egyptians and Arabs? I have always been fascinated by this great tragedy

>>18270800
>I've never heard of an African philosopher, African medicine or African scientists
That's because you're ignorant, not because they don't exist. All you literally have to do is Google them and a plethora of results appear.

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>>18270800
>parts of it are Saudi Arabia if Saudi Arabia couldn't read

Wheezing hahaha

>>18270819
But anon, everyone the world round has heard of Greek, Roman, European, Tibetan, Japanese, Indian, Arabic, Russian, Chinese etc philosophers, mathematicians, scientists and scholars...
maybe Nelson Mandela? He said some chill things but he wasn't a saint
http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/

>>18270800
And the answer to your questions is studying Africa. Actually reading about it. I haven't done that, and I don't pretend to know why Africa is what it is the causes of all their problems, but thats much better than choosing the easy explanation like most /pol/tards do.Not the guy you replied to btw.

>>18270800
>still ethnically cleanses, religiously cleanses, sells slaves and has entire economies built on indentured workers, trafficking, pirating and drugs.
America and Eastern Europe are two of the world's biggest hubs for human trafficking and modern slavery, especially in terms of child trafficking (child pornography alone, has its largest market and production in both those areas of the world). Parts of Eastern Europe still take part in ethnic and religious cleansing on a small scale, at least one area of Russia runs concentration camps for homosexuals, and America's economy is based on the system of slavery and/or indentured servitude merely being converted to the prison system. The drug war in America was orchestrated by the government, who pumped narcotics into low-income black neighborhoods. North Korea still runs concentration camps, as well.
Get off your high horse.

>>18270829
>But anon, everyone the world round has heard of Greek, Roman, European, Tibetan, Japanese, Indian, Arabic, Russian, Chinese etc philosophers, mathematicians, scientists and scholars...
You clearly don't.
>Maybe Nelson Mandela?
Why are you still pretending you can't Google "African medicine", "African scientists" or "African philosopher"? We're living in the age of information and you're too willfully blind to accept any information that challenges your narrow world view. See >>18270834
>Btw Nelson Mandela wasn't a saint
Neither were most European historical figures, so why is this relevant? Regardless, Mandela wasn't the only one.

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>>18270836
>Russia is part of Europe
>immigrant rape rings
>immigrant trafficking rings
>immigrant paedophile rings
These make up the majority of the statistics.

>Implying we don't send human traffickers and rapists to prison, not build an economy around it as a way of life
shiggy

>>18270844
>It's all the immigrants' fault!
I'm pretty sure Russia and most other parts of Eastern Europe can't stand immigrants (in fact, Russia has extremist groups dedicated to harrassing, kidnapping and sometimes killing non-white expats), but alright.
>we don't send human traffickers and rapists to prison, not build an economy around it as a way of life
You don't. You send the low-level ones to prison, while the ones in higher office keep doing what they're doing with full immunity. Even your political figures enjoy the fruits of this labor (see: Bill Clinton and the lolita express).

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>>18270842
Sorry, my mistake, I temporarily forgot all the African philosophers, scientists, mathematicians, thinkers etc that we're taught about in school
>inb4 school is waycist
Schools are some of the most progressive, egalitarian institutes out there who put world history as highly important

B... t f o?

>>18269833
>but this doesn't change the fact that the genes associated with low IQ
IQ isn't a perfect measurement of intelligence, and a lot of black people grow up in poor neighborhoods with a lot crime with poor support networks, so it's not like they can really study either.
>by extension a tendency towards violent crime
Crime is only rampant in poor areas, there are way too many black communities that are poor. Same goes for white communities too. When poverty is rampant, crime rates shoot up.

Really the poorer you are, the more likely you will commit a crime. Race doesn't matter.

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>>18270842

I did it, what now?

>>18270853
>Schools are some of the most progressive, egalitarian institutes out there who put world history as highly important
You do realize school curricula is usually extremely condensed depending on where the school is, the time frame, etc, right? Nobody has time for the entire fucking world's history. For example, in Asian countries, you are more likely to learn about the history of the respective Asian country you are in, and then speed through cherrpicked areas of the rest of the worlds' history unless they pertain to the history of your country, or there is some exchange.
Of course a school in a predominantly Caucasian area of the world (especially in Europe) will place importance on white history and its advancements. Whether you're going to claim I'm saying "school is wayciss" is irrelevant, because this is the truth of the matter.
The American public school system in itself is a global joke. It's so bad that the country had to have entire months dedicated to the history of people who aren't white and aren't male because their piss-poor attempt at "world history" does a rather shitty job at portraying the world.
Your weird, idealistic view of the education system being "egalitarian" and "progressive" as a whole doesn't mirror reality, sorry.

>>18270873
>Google images because he's too willfully ignorant to read
It's become clear that it's not even about having a discussion, defending your points or even learning anything anymore, just trying to "BTFO" everyone, regardless of whether you're right or wrong.
I wasn't even involved in this argument initially, I just kind of jumped in, but it's obviously going nowhere. Rest in pieces.

>>18270853
Western schools will teach you about Western civilization. Thats obvious.

>>18270873
Pretty sure people itt want you to read books.

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>>18270874
>condense all of world history into a 16 year long education
>learn about the roots of all major world powers and classical civilisations, their leaders and philosophy
>taught that all races and genders are equal, shown shining examples and fascinating new perspectives from all kinds of cultures and people
>not one noteable African thinker, scholar or scientist
Damn, schools ALL OVER THE WORLD be racist as fuck

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>>18270882
I did a bit more research

>>18270908
ebin xd

Ah I'm just trolling you guys, don't get upset. Some of the most down to earth chilled out guys I've met have been black, there's nothing bad about being a basketball American

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>>18270908
>google image
>research

/pol/ everyone

>>18270902
>more idealism
This, and the rest of your posts ITT explain why people call all your arguments "/pol/ memes".

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>>18270874
>cherry pick global history
>Africa always left out

Ever wonder why bucko?

>>18270917
>>18270908
Why are you samefagging?
And African history isn't "always left out" when history is being taught in African schools, so not even that argument holds up.

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>>18270874
Maybe they teach you Amerifats you're special, but here in Korea we taught about every civilisation from Nippon to Egypt to Scandinavian settler, and we learn about scholars from all these place, from Havamal to Plato to Confucius.

Weird, I had a conversation about this with my ex classmates. Not one African. What the hell right???

There are so many factors in the development of a civilization, geography, climate, fauna, proximity to other cultures, isolation, etc. People usually forget that Europe has a good geographical position (not taking anything away from them btw) and that much knowledge came from the east (Greece had contact with them). Moreover, people adapt to their environment. I don't judge sub-saharan Africa for not having the same history as the other regions of the world desu. Now modern day Africa is an entirely different beast where the blame goes to both colonizers and colonized.

>>18270932
>Egypt
>not African

ayy lmao. Africa is not only what's south of the Sahara.

>>18270932
>now pretending to be Korean when he previously claimed to be white and British
What do you gain from this? You do realize how obvious it is which posts are yours, right?

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>>18270937
SAY IT TOGETHER

WE. WUZ. KAAAAAAAAAAAANGZZZZ

https://youtu.be/1c_dZVoSbHU

>>18270948
You retarded stormkid. Egypt is in Africa isn't it? Take a look at a map.
Moreover, where exactly did I imply that Egyptians were black?

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>>18270937
Egyptians, my meme loving friend, were not black

http://observationdeck.kinja.com/no-egyptians-arent-white-but-they-arent-black-eithe-1665322870

>>18270958
>>18270954

>>18270954
Then what the fuck is your point? Africans are black, are they not? Arabs and Semitic people are not black, I do believe. Op has a black sister. You are questioning all the evidence and studies posted in this thread about blacks. Go on?

>>18270962
>Africans are black, are they not? Arabs and Semitic people are not black, I do believe

They are Africans since they live in the African continent you retard. Africa is the entire continent. If you want to talk about blacks, then specify it, or just sub saharan Africa, but don't talk about Egyptians as if they weren't Africans, because they are.

>>18270969
Ah yes, and the Chinese that you sold your land to are Africans too

Kekkerino

>>18270969
What? So all the Somali refugees that are imported into my Germany are Germans now?
Sheeeeit, we be Germans n shit

>>18270970
You talk as if North Africans (it's in the fucking name) aren't natives to the zone and haven't been living there since... always. Or maybe according to you Africans can only be black?

>>18270975
>Look at me. I am the German now.

>>18270975
you have reading comprehension haven't you?

>>18270976
Technically you are right, but when you say African, the majority of the world understands you to mean black or 'negroid'. When you say Moroccan or Egyptian you don't imagine the average African. It's confusing but we've managed to get by so far without the levels of autism ITT

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_of_Africa

>>18270988
Thank god someone understood, and yes this is pure autism form my part. I know for most people Africa is that part where the blacks live, but Egyptians and Berbers and all that people are still Africans. People should choose their words better reeeeeeee.

ITT: idiot OP attracts an idiot stormfag and idots get looped into an idiotic discussion

>>18270999
t.idiotic idiot

>>18270917
Because they were conquered.

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>>18271004
How could a KING be CONQUERED?

>>18270836
>America's economy is based on the system of slavery and/or indentured servitude merely being converted to the prison system.
..what?

>>18270870
Why are black people still poor, though? Are their schools not getting enough funding? And don't IQ tests use visual puzzles that don't require literacy?

>>18271007
See... If you don't want people to call you uneducated, don't say shit like this.

>>18271035
There's an interest in keeping an active global serf class. That's someone who can consume anything that's made real cheap by the slave class while the upper class takes the profit through wage slavery. Slaves make iPhones, poor people buy them (remember, there is a completely different class of phone service for the rich, same as everything else), the middle class gets paid a salary, and the rich take the profits. That black people happen to be slaves and serfs is because we got to them before they got to us, plain and simple.

>>18271035
Because the whole "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" thing is a myth. If you grew up poor, then you are inherently disadvantaged to being poor. Parents don't have the skills to teach their kids how to get a well-paying job or go to college, and in turn their kids won't have the skills to get a well-paying job. Not to mention they may have family members they need to take of (due to parents being poor) or other financial obligations that people with more well-off parents don't have to experience.

>>18270999
>idiot OP
Nice trips, but noticing something doesn't make me an idiot.

Am I to believe IQ is primarily, or even completely the result of socialization?

>>18271072
I'm well-acquainted with the problems that come from parents (or lackthereof), but public school funding is supposed to compensate for that.

>>18271206
And inner city, primarily black schools are extremely underfunded compared to more white counterparts.

>>18271206
With American school system? Are you joking? Even if it were good, simply throwing money at schools would only partly affect the problem of shitty parenting and surroundings.

>>18271220
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/04/the-myth-of-racial-disparities-in-public-school-funding

>>18271233
Seems a bit more complicated...
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/public-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/

>>18271072
This fucking faggot, yeah, keep explaining why you still live with your mom

Anyone can go from lower class to middle class. Whites, Asians, Mexicans, arabs do it all the time.

It's called ambition, effort, discipline and not being a lazy nigger.

Of course if you're content to make your money with prostitutes, crack and heroin... that's fine too. Or maybe those government Gibsmedats are all you need for a good life, and it's STILL the white man's fault you're poor!

Or maybe low IQ maketh a wallette not overflowe.

>>18271263
>projecting
>being this naive

>>18271263
http://www.businessinsider.com/parents-determine-child-success-income-inequality-2014-1?IR=T

Sorry, anon.

>>18271233
>>18271255
So is one of these lying, or is there an ingredient I'm too tired to see?

>>18271233
>>18271255
>>18271318
The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank and The Atlantic is a liberal magazine. They're both partially right and just glossing over the other side's argument. The reality is messy and complicated, but essentially, yes, funding plays a big role, however so do many other things.

>>18271333
Trips confirm that literally everything is a cause of everything.

>>18271206
Public schools provide basic education. Basic.
>>18271263
America has some of the worst social mobility in the world and that goes triple for protected classes, that's why they're protected classes, to make up for the fact that assholes like you actively try to stop them from being socially mobile.

I read a BuzzFeed article that it's the white man and privileged cis males why I can't get a different job than working at the Gap

Anyone can make it. Even if the odds are stacked against you - crippled, gay, autistic, black - none of this matters in an age of internet businesses and working from home. Any cunt can learn how to do it with enough patience and ambition.

No, they don't teach you how to make a startup company at elite schools. Your rich parents might help you start it but most successful startups get a loan or investors.
The only thing that would hinder you is if you're too slow and unimaginative to make one and run it well.
The end. Everything else is just blaming others for your incompetence or lack of drive and determination.
See every successful black man. Proof that you are no different, only your attitude, decisions luck and effort is different.

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>>18269949
They're wrong. IQ is a measurement for how fast one processes information. Trying to differentiate IQ from academic performance is splitting hairs too.
Predicting educational achievement from DNA:
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v22/n2/full/mp2016107a.html
>A genome-wide polygenic score (GPS), derived from a 2013 genome-wide association study (N=127,000), explained 2% of the variance in total years of education (EduYears). In a follow-up study (N=329,000), a new EduYears GPS explains up to 4%. Here, we tested the association between this latest EduYears GPS and educational achievement scores at ages 7, 12 and 16 in an independent sample of 5825 UK individuals. We found that EduYears GPS explained greater amounts of variance in educational achievement over time, up to 9% at age 16, accounting for 15% of the heritable variance. This is the strongest GPS prediction to date for quantitative behavioral traits. Individuals in the highest and lowest GPS septiles differed by a whole school grade at age 16. Furthermore, EduYears GPS was associated with general cognitive ability (~3.5%) and family socioeconomic status (~7%). There was no evidence of an interaction between EduYears GPS and family socioeconomic status on educational achievement or on general cognitive ability. These results are a harbinger of future widespread use of GPS to predict genetic risk and resilience in the social and behavioral sciences.
>>18269964
That study doesn't mention anything about IQ.

>>18271430
To add, it's common knowledge blacks consistently do the worst academically. In fact the SAT score gap between blacks and whites has grown in recent years. There also can't be interracial organ transplants without complications. It's an utter pony show for mixed face people to find proper donors.

>>18271404
Stupid people breed stupid people, hence poor people breed poor people.

>>18271436
>There also can't be interracial organ transplants without complications

Seriously, take your made up bullshit back to /pol/ where it belongs.

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>>18271453
Nice rebuttal retard.

Don't race mix. All societies understand this on a primal level. You look at a mixed kid and think their parents were selfish

Often the kid has oversized skulls, weird proportions, messed up features and their organs are often different sizes. They inherit congenital diseases far more often and gain the genetic weakness of the other race, for instance breeding with an Ashkenazi Jew brings a whole host of deficiencies and weakness to certain diseases and conditions.

The child will be subconsciously ostracised by most of society. You have bred an outsider who will not fit in with either group simply for your selfish sexual proclivity or worse, Liberal Good Boy Points.

The child will be disaffected and have no people except their parents until they can find a race that they can "chameleon" and pass as, for instance mixed black and white people often marry West Indies people because they have similar skin tones and features, but they will not have cultural similarities and find it harder to relate.

Just look at the way "lite skinned niggas" are treated by dark skinned black people. Contempt and alienation, rejection from their society. Mixed children will never be accepted as white either, so they live in limbo til they find other mixed kids, basically forming their own racial identity of hybrids.

>Keep them separate, celebrate each race.
Diversity is having lots of tubs of different coloured playdough, not mashing it all together in an amorphous brown blob.

>>18271430
First is all about IQ. The other is about performance which is more important than some shitty IQ number either way.

But here is one more if you like it that much:
http://iqchamps.com/2016/05/16/stress-and-childs-i-q/
(The stress index showed the I.Q. of the children decreased 13 percent from low stress to high stress)

How about: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4558979/ (The Effect of Maternal Stress during Pregnancy on IQ and ADHD Symptomatology) for good measure?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3923434/
(Direct and Indirect Effects of Brain Volume, Socioeconomic Status and Family Stress on Child IQ)

If you doubt that blacks have more stressed lives ... well, then you can look for studying confirming the obvious too. Here are some boons though:

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2861506/ (black women are 7.5 years biologically “older” than white women. Indicators of perceived stress and poverty account for 27% of this difference.)
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447717/ (Racial/Ethnic Discrimination and Health: Findings From Community Studies)
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK24685/# (tons of shit about stress and racial differences)

All of this stuff is pretty obvious when you stop ignoring the forest for of all the trees and see people as a bit more than out of context numbers with limited relevance. Also don't forget that our understanding about intelligence and genetics is EXTREMELY limited.

>>18271438
That doesn't even make any sense.

>>18271490
At what point in modern science are you going to admit that there are differences between races? We have known this for aeons. Why do you think racial characteristics are fine and obvious when physical, but stop when it reaches the brain?

A labrador is smarter than a chihuahua. We understand this. A Sumatran orangutan is more intelligent than a Bornean orangutan.
Do you think humans are any different to our ape ancestors and cousins? We even think the same way. An orangutan has the same level of intelligence as a 9 year old human. Chimps even higher.

Why all the excuses and nervous sweating when it comes to types of humans who evolved in different places and environments?

>>18270279
The response to this one is so obvious it's embarrassing. don't think you're right just because no one replied.

>>18271509
All accept that niggers are niggers to us when you accept that we are niggers to the Jews, and Jews are niggers to the Japanese. That genetics shit doesn't stop with black and white, nigger.

>>18271489
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2954674/

There's your rebuttal faggot. Now get out of here with your made up bullshit.

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>>18271519
Good, you're learning. We're all different. Ashkenazi Jews might have a few points higher IQ than the average white man but there are of course phenotypes of whites that have equal IQ. In parts of the world blacks have an average IQ of 80, and Aboriginal Australians are even lower.

IQ isn't everything. There are also measures of creativity and ability to keep rhythm, measures of athleticism and differences in lifespans

Don't call them stupid niggers though you asshole. They can't help their IQ and many are successful in spite of it.

>>18271509
>races
Kek. Nice meme.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC139378/

Obviously there are differences but cognitive ones are pretty insignificant if you discard all other factors unrelated to "race".

>>18271438
It's the other way around. Poverty makes you stupid. (Since again, stress. And again, obvious as fuck if you would think for a second.)

http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(16)30329-4/pdf

>>18271539
>Yeah, lay off the gaijin, they can't help that they're stupid, have no culture and smell like rotting meat.

>>18271539
>but there are of course phenotypes of whites that have equal IQ
Just like there are niggers that have equal IQ. Can't have your cake and eat it. Bow to your Ashkenazi overlords, brainlet.

>>18271562
Show me these niggers lol
I said whole phenotypes, not individuals. Scandinavian and Ancient Greek subsets for instance.

>>18271583
>Ancient Greek
What about ancient Egyptians and Canaanites? There should be some niggers.

>Scandinavian
If I recall /pol/ charts right, Ashkenazi are still bit above them but hell, why not. Scandinavian & Ashkenazi overlords does too. Surely you're one of these groups? Otherwise it'd be a shame if you'd spread your inferior intelligence.

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>>18271610
>We wuz Egyptians and sheeit
The Egyptians were Semitic people whose philosophy laid the groundworks for Greek schools of thought.

I am an eternal Anglo with Scandi genes. We do pretty well at IQ. Remember those Germanic guys in the 1930s? They based their ideals on us, and saw the Jews as parasites. I would rather not have the host of deformities and genetic weaknesses of an Ashkenazi, and thank fuck I'm not a part of that toxic tribe.

>>18271513
Great argument faggot
>inb4 systematic racism

>>18271404
>Public schools provide basic education. Basic.
That explains why I'm so ignorant, then.

>>18269833
You don't know jack about socioeconomics. Realize that poor crime riddenblack neighborhoods have this endless Sisyphus like quality to them. Imagine this. You are raised in a shitty neighborhood with an absolute horrible public education system. All around your environment are people who commit evil. You end up seeing some shikt Your job opportunities are squandered because you were raised to speak in a different dialect of english so therefore interviewers will end up throwing your resume in a trash. Oh look kung fu kenny makes so much money and can support his family by moving blow. Oh look my family life is shit and these group of guys want to include me in this thing called a gang. I'm not saying that if you are raised in a crime ridden environment you become a sinner. It's entirely possible to get out and tons have but there is still alot more evil influences in your life in those kinds of environment then your average white middle class neighborhood.

>>18271900
Same poster here. Forgot to mention that OP needs to stop it with the muh genetics arguemnt and needs to stop swallowing so many "red pills"

>>18271007
Fucking kek'd
Nice work double oh seven.

>>18271429
some low quality shit too, i couldnt even get through that mess

>>18271490
see >>18270003

Then >>18270011

And then read page 256 of the first link which explains how the Minnesota transracial adoption study which also proves environmental factors does not account for IQ gap. Every adoption study the adopted blacks scored lower than the biological whites and flynn effect is not an increase in general intelligence:

Thirty Years of Research on Race differences in Cognitive Ability >https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
>http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen-reply-to-commentaries-on-30years.pdf

Jesús Christu
>the amount of doublethink in this thread
Niggers act like niggers the world over. Their natural traits are merely preyed upon and exacerbated by Jews and Democrats looking for more votes. Some anon mentioned needing a serf class, Negroes were the perfect serf class to support the retarded consumerist capitalism and justify using little Asian slaves in sweatshops to line George Soros' pockets with shekels.

You gotta be kind. Understand that even if they were somehow forced to have nuclear families and normal incomes, their non-literate IQ test scores would still be similar to what they extensively are shown to be now, because even in "traditional" successful black societies, like the Caribbean (with immensely strong nuclear families), Niggas be Wilin.

>I propose two tings.

Numba 1 - we stop especking da Negro Man to occupy de High n Mighteh jobs, and we embrace de fact dat dey will never be de same culture n spirit as de White Devil.

Numba 2 - because of de higher testosterone n fast twitch muscles, and de lower IQ n de aggressiveness dis bumbaclatt mix be causing, we make de Black Utopia a heaven on earth filled with De Peaceful Erb, to keep de Black Man calm and spiritual like, and encourage de Nuclear Family, blessings of Ja be upon you my brudda.

>>18271798
oh good, does /pol/ have a chart for that too?

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>>18271986
Thats... uh.. actually quite a reasonable stance for a stormfag

What has this website turned me into

>>18271965
Other culture-only hypotheses have invoked Black role models, test anxiety, self-esteem, and racial stress as causal agents, but none of these have ever been consistently confirmed (Jensen, 1980, 1998b). Other ideas, such as stereotype threat (Steele, 1997), involuntary-minorities-are-castes (Ogbu, 2002), and race stigma (Loury, 2002), do not explain the low IQ of Africans south of the Sahara, where Blacks are in the majority. Nor is there any evidence from analyses of large archival data sets that unique minority-specific factors such as the history of slavery, White racism, lowered expectations, or heightened stress make cultural influences stronger for one group than for another (see Section 5). Neither can racial stigmatization (Loury, 2002) explain why East Asians average higher in IQ and brain size than Whites. A progressive theory of racial group differences must address all the known facts. Culture-only theory must offer some explanation why its main variables— poverty, social class, religious beliefs, cultural practices, father absence, and parenting styles—account for so little variance within groups. Given these repeated findings, it is unlikely such variables can account for differences between groups (see Section 5). Adoption and twin studies show that the environmental variables influencing IQ and social behavior are primarily those that occur within families rather than between families (see Figure 3). Although the causes of within-group differences are logically separate from the causes of between-groups differences (Section 2), even when the combined set of within- and betweenfamilies variables is examined together, there are still no identifiable race-specific variables (Section 5).

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

>>18271986
On a scale of 1 to Wilin/10, how do Niggas be?

>>18269833
Being a racist isn't synonymous with being a bigot. Black men are less intelligent than white men on average, yes. Women are also more intelligent than men on average. However, at the very highest levels of intelligence, black men are actually better represented than women of any race, who tend to have a much tighter distribution. As an obvious result of this, black men do exist at the IQ 150+ level, and so your preconception that any black man is less intelligent than you is wrong.

The way to resolve this issue is to remain open to changing your impressions based on new information. If you meet a black man, you can start from the base assumption that he's statistically likely to be less intelligent than you, but you need to constantly update that assumption with data other than his race. Is he well dressed? Adjust your guess higher. Does he speak clearly with good diction? Higher again. Is he in front of the class while you're a student in it? He may not be more intelligent than you, but he almost certainly has more knowledge of the subject.

And if you're going to try to use this method, make sure to apply it to everyone. If your IQ is 130+, you're more intelligent than the vast majority of white people as well. Assuming by default that a white man you meet is your intellectual equal but making a black man prove that he's not retarded is bigotry. If your IQ is 110, most women are going to be more intelligent than you are. Treat them as such.

Obviously this method isn't restricted to race and intelligence. It works for ant demographic and any quality, as long as there's a statistical correlation between the two.

>>18272169
Very good position, thank you.
Side note, can you recommend a standardised IQ test? I've always been curious about my own and this reply makes it seem even more relevant.

OFFICIAL SOUNDTRACK OF THIS THREAD

https://youtu.be/nsNJjGGR4P8

>>18272169
Good post overall, but
>If your IQ is 110, most women are going to be more intelligent than you are
Excuse me, what? I hope that was a typo.

>>18271994
I don't understand what your problem is. if the information he posted is wrong then surely you could prove it with sources of your own and not "lol /pol/tard"

you make a bad case for your opinion

>>18269833
>I know race is a social construct
Stopped reading after that

KYS you SJW fairy.

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>>18271994
You are the one not making any arguments, you gigantic fucking faggot

This is /adv/. There's no advice being given here. This is not the place for your stupid ass racial argument.

This thread is why it is necessary for /pol/ to exist. Now, take it to the containment board and let this shit thread die.

>>18272452
When I post there, no discussion happens. I just get shit like >>18272409

This thread has been incredibly fruitful for me, and I couldn't have gotten this anywhere else.