A coworker has completely rocked my political stances and views

>>18259262
Think about how you would view his same words from a normal source.
Just because someone is quiet doesn't mean that they're crazy.
Even many people properly diagnosed with a disorder like autism are in most ways functional and can be normally as well as above average intelligence.

>>18259262
Doesn't matter if he's mentally ill. How does that mean his information is bad unless he's mentally retarded. It sounded like his information made sense to you, so that's all that matters.

>AHAHAHA Bill is a quiet guy. He couldn't possibly be right in politics!

>>18259308
Its hard because so much of what he said made sense, but then I remember, hes 28 and still lives at home and has a hello kitty phone case and a ring tone Where a guy yells Teutonic butts.

>>18259262
The messenger is irrelevant. If a fat smelly virgin who fingers his cat tells you about gravity, it doesn't make gravity less real because of the source.

Pick each of his claims and check them for authenticity if they made you think enough to make this thread.

>>18259262
Purely out of curiosity, what where his views? What where things that he said that made you agree?

>>18259349
I am probably butchering his views, it was a long rant that had even the manager mesmerized so I apologize. He made a bunch of different points, that basically the politics in general is broken due to it becoming a game of winners and losers, that people are so petty the thought of helping the needy puts them off, that both sides complain about the other side for doing the same things they do, that the blame is shifted to the wrong people, that the extreme left blames white people, including poor white people for the world's problems, and the right blames immigrants and minorities for the world's problems when its companies leeching off of citizens that is the real issue, that the united states has become a giant money wheel and we're to occupied fighting among ourselves to realize the kings and queens of the castle have rigged the system so deep in their favor that climbing up the social ladder is a herculean task, he also talked about how everybody has become so disconnected the the plights of one another that demonization has become child's play, that punching down has become simple, that while we complain about the homeless, complain about the people struggling to form an existence working at wal mart, the waltons are amassing enough money to bank roll a small country... again I'm butchering everything I sort of want to coax him into talking again. Theres so much more he talked about but its already a huge wall of text.

>>18259385
>that the extreme left blames white people
Where? There is not a single left party that does it in the first world.

Also there are tons of "becoming" even though all the shit was fucked from the start. Otherwise it sounds pretty reasonable although overly rant-y instead of coming up with solutions. Bitching is easy. Whether it's about how right/left do things or the status quo.

>>18259414
Have you been living under a rock?

>>18259443
Go on, show me a single party that has something against whitey in their manifesto comparable to "muh immigrants/niggers"

>>18259414
Thats where his rant got kind of depressing, he said that we need to stop fighting among ourselves and figure out who the real enemy is, but we won't because humans are wired to punch at the easiest targets, that the ones in power will stay in power and we'll just all be stuck in the loop, working to eat, eating to grow, growing to die. That the unwashed masses like us and like him are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the forefathers, that revolutions have been bred out of our "sorry corpses" and have been replaced with "the trappings and distractions of the day to day grind, and our constant fumbling for meaning in a meaningless world." then some other things... he honestly got really dark.

>>18259385
Bernout pony fag

>>18259449
https://youtu.be/s1SaD-gSZO4?t=2m21s

Not him but this kinda propaganda is all over the place. Go to any college campus. Ever. Go to the occasional BLM meeting or Socialist meeting.

>>18259414
The video was supposed to start at 2:21

>>18259323
idk man he could just have a really weird sense of humor but is too awkward or shy to be vocal about it.
I can relate to that in some ways, I swear some of the people in my life think I have Asperger's just because of the ways my jokes and/or comments come across.

just do it senpai we didnt know about vaccines until someone said "maybe we should just keep using the snake venom till it goes away"

senpai

>>18259465
I'll probably get shit on for this, but go to /pol sometime. That man was beginning to drop a black pill on you. Once you accept a black pill it's hard to not be depressed which probably explains why he seems mentally ill to you. That's why we don't talk about black pills unless someone is ready for it.

Take this shit to >>>/pol/

>>18259465
He was talking about (((them))), he just couldn't mention which specific ethnic and religious group is behind all of the maladies that affect our society today, because as soon as he said it, you'd switch off and assume he's a racist hateful bigot. This guy probably doesn't talk much because he's realised how fucked we are, and how little hope we have of fixing ourselves before global catastrophe, so he stays silent to try to contain himself from sperging out and ranting. I have a lot of sympathy for the guy, I try to stay positive by distracting myself with trivial meaningless conversations and having fun, but it does get burdensome often.

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Blackpilled

>>18259385
This is all obvious. Most people know all of this shit, they are just powerless to change it.

>>18259414
are you for real

>>18259465
>who the real enemy is
Or realize that it doesn't exist and the search for ZE ENEMY always ends with easy targets.

Also the amount of progress made in last decades and centuries clearly show that we're improving.

>>18259478
A party anon, not some random person talking random shit for entertainment and making jokes.

>white people rule america
True. Obviously it's not Jerry from his trailer park given it's talking about RULE.

Though it's a hard watch either way, because Murican "entertainment" and all.

>>18259385
He's right though.

>>18259414
You're fucking joking, right? The modern left absolutely hates whites and blames them for everything, especially straight white men.

>>18259565
Then it should be easy to provide proof in one of their manifestos. Right?

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>>18259534
>People like this unironically exist outside of BuzzFeed and Trudeau's party

Based hotwheels from OP's story was trying to warn Op about people like you, and the things you passively or actively enable to happen to society. You open the door for the west to be preyed upon and used as a pawn.

Op, read into counterculture viewpoints more, you're obviously smarter than the status quo pushed by the government and media. I'd start by questioning key events in our past, like the justification for waging war in the Middle East, the founders of Communism, What actually happened in WW2 (hint: it's not what the victors wrote and teach you in schools, ask historians). Pretty soon you'll see why this stuff makes sense to you but is so "evil and forbidden", it's because a lot of it directly questions and threatens the narrative of the government, corporate interests and the interest of Israel and the 'Chosen People'

>>18259588
Stfu nazi bigot, Op don't listen to this, these people just want to oppress people of colour and women

There's nothing wrong with communism and Israel is thousands of miles away, besides they're the only good guys in the whole Middle East and after all they have been kicked around for thousands of years and discriminated against by racist bigots all round the world for millennia

>>18259588
>make tons of claim
>offer no proofs
Mhmm.

>>18259600
>There's nothing wrong with communism
Well, it's a flawed idea.

>Israel is thousands of miles away
Doesn't stop them from getting dat aid money. Oh wait, our Führer Trump is pro Israel? Well shit.

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>>18259604
When did I make a claim? I simply encouraged Op to think for themselves, now that they've heard an alternative viewpoint that is diffèrent to what we are taught by schools and the media

Nice deflecting, Op please continue to be cynical and reflective. Use your head, explore WHY there is a stigma around certain things, break the shackles and be free to think about whatever you want in your own mind without censoring yourself or feeling guilty. That is the duty of man, even if it means thinking about some pretty heavy things - it's a burden we all must carry if we are brave and honest

>>18259534
>Groups of people who agree with this kind of rhetoric
>Not a party by definition
You don't have to call yourself something to have a group support the idea senpai

>>18259652
>Not a party by definition
Not at all. Political parties got actual political power and gain it by promising certain type of shit. Deporting immigrants for example. Or "removing" certain people. Now take KKK, sure one can say their ideas are far right but their ideas still aren't REPRESENTED by the far right unless there is an actual party who promises the shit and gets some votes.

Given how there is no, literally not a single left party in the first world who promises something against whitey in their manifesto or even rhetoric, the claim is bullshit. Also dangerous relativism and all that. Obviously there are people with anti white sentiments who vote for left parties but it's silly to equate their voices with rhetoric from the party, and pretty similar to what idiots did with KKK/Donald.

>>18259625
>When did I make a claim?
Let's see...
>the things you passively or actively enable to happen to society
Without knowing shit about my position nor what I actually do.
>You open the door for the west to be preyed upon and used as a pawn.
Wait what?
>it's because a lot of it directly questions and threatens the narrative of the government, corporate interests and the interest of Israel and the 'Chosen People'
MUH JUICE OVERLORDS

All claims out of your butt.

>>18259262
>Should I take what he said with a grain of salt? what if he is just mentally ill and I'm putting a lot of weight on the words of a crazy person.
the only thing that matters is whether what he said was logical or not. anything else does not matter.

>>18259534
>A party anon, not some random person talking random shit for entertainment and making jokes.
you made the "party" part up. "the extreme left" doesnt necessarily refer to a party.

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>>18259704
The BBC discriminates against hiring white workers. Bernie Sanders talked about whites as being a privileged block that don't understand poverty. Clinton also expressed a similar view.

Look up Barbara Spectre, for instance. If you think this view is fringe and radical and not that of the left and leftist media, you are sorely naive

https://youtu.be/MFE0qAiofMQ

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>>18259704
are you trying to say political parties ARE the government officials and what they say? Not the masses of people who identify with the label of said party who incorporate their own beliefs to that label? A party is nothing more that a label for an amalgam of ideas.

Generally speaking most people with the white guilt or vitriol towards whites mostly identify as liberal or left. That's all I am trying to say here.

>>18259262
This man looks so disgustingly crusty

Would not go near for fear of stench
Would not talk to for fear of unbearable quirkiness and 'I'm different' edgelord patronising attitude

Looks like paperboy

>>18259762
Lol nah. He and a couple others have a podcast and YouTube channel. Easily one of the more relate-able guys on there. This isn't his usual fashion. They joke about this meme image that's going around and he's a good sport about it.

>>18259716
To make sense it has to. Grouping a movement by your own criteria makes no sense. Tons of people wouldn't even fit in one box, take the Brexit shit, which was supported by extreme left AND extreme right, or how Trumps isolationism was liked by both sides too. At the same time there are extreme right and extreme left people who are cool with EU. Just couple simple examples, since usually it's way more complex.

>>18259720
>BBC discriminates against hiring white workers
It was to fix representation so a bit more complex than "white discrimination", although it sure was done in a dumb way. Either way this is a problem with BBC and not a certain movement.

>Barbara Spectre
Some random person. Her views are barely more relevant than yours and mine due having a slightly bigger platform.

>left and leftist media
What you see as that depends on your own biases more often than not since these terms are way too vague to apply to most mainstream sites that tend to be centrist. And both sides take centrist as "too far left/right" or whatever else.

>>18259735
>ARE the government officials and what they say?
These have power and decide shit. Hence what they say actually matters. People vote for them to represent them. A guy with a Trump hat screaming "foreigners out" in broken English doesn't represent Trump, Trump represents some of the guys ideas. Same with a gal that has a Hillary shirt and screams "all men are rapists".

>Generally speaking most people with the white guilt or vitriol towards whites mostly identify as liberal or left
Perhaps but it doesn't mean they represent it. If I am a nigger who wants to marry his boyfriend, I can identify as conservative because I want lower taxes or no healthcare. Doesn't mean I represent them.
Besides most of the labels lost their meaning pretty bad either way.

>>18259790
>Besides most of the labels lost their meaning pretty bad either way.
Agreed.

>>18259600
I know this is bait but I'll just leave this here in case someone actually believes that garbage. It's not the "nazis" oppressing people of color, kek:

https://youtu.be/WY8mn_9JCy4

>>18259385
>politics in general is broken due to it becoming a game of winners and losers
True. Look at how many people only voted for Hillary because they were afraid of Trump, and how many voted for Trump because they were afraid of Hillary. None of those people voted for a third party because they didn't want to "throw their vote away," as if voting only counts if your candidate wins.
> that people are so petty the thought of helping the needy puts them off
True again. It's been shown that SNAP and Medicare reduce overall public costs by keeping people from needing emergency medical care, which is orders of magnitude more expensive than preventative care, but republitards still whine about "muh entitlements".
>that both sides complain about the other side for doing the same things they do
Well, yeah. Remember all the shit G-W took for invading Iraq? Obama dropped more bombs and had more boots on the ground (PMCs though, so he could claim to be reducing American military presence) than Bush ever did, and a lot of that was in Libya and Syria as well.
>that the blame is shifted to the wrong people
Of course. The FBI goes after consumers rather than producers and distributors because it's easier for them to get convictions and look like they're being useful.
>that the extreme left blames white people, including poor white people for the world's problems
I always thought it was hilarious that the "rich white people" that SJWs hate so much are actually almost exclusively Jews. It's literally Nazi Germany all over again, except that it's no longer socially acceptable to distinguish ethnic Semites from ethnic Germans, Celts, or Slavs.
>and the right blames immigrants and minorities for the world's problems when its companies leeching off of citizens that is the real issue
The other half of the same coin. Both sides are desperately trying to turn a class war into a race war based on weak correlations subject to many other factors.
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>>18259809
Good post. To add to this part:

>The FBI goes after consumers rather than producers and distributors because it's easier for them to get convictions and look like they're being useful.

A good example of this was the Occupy Wallstreet protests that happened a few years back. What started out as a movement against big corporations and the banks got completely dismantled by the FBI. Those people were treated like shit, beaten, and thrown in jail. Meanwhile, a group like Antifa can continue to operate. Pic related.

>>18259385
>>18259809
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>the united states has become a giant money wheel and we're to occupied fighting among ourselves to realize the kings and queens of the castle have rigged the system so deep in their favor that climbing up the social ladder is a herculean task
The ACA is an obvious example of this. It was designed purely to benefit insurance companies (who conveniently claimed it was too expensive for them and shrunk into ISP-style regional monopolies as soon as it passed), and results in a system where we pay more tax dollars into healthcare (not counting much more in private costs for the plans!) than practically any country with real universal healthcare.
>he also talked about how everybody has become so disconnected the the plights of one another that demonization has become child's play, that punching down has become simple, that while we complain about the homeless, complain about the people struggling to form an existence working at wal mart
A bit moralistic, but probably true. There's not really anything verifiable here though.
>the waltons are amassing enough money to bank roll a small country...
A middling-sized country, actually. If Walmart was a country, it would pass up Norway for having the 25th-highest GDP in the world.

My question, OP, is how have you managed to be so blue pilled that you seriously never realized any of this? Honestly, I thought most people took this shit for granted, which I guess explains why people tend to think I'm a tinfoil hatter when I talk about how America is a one-party system (the Democrat and Republican parties are both essentially offshoots of the Federalist party, and the party leaders are known to discuss policy in private), and how police literally do more harm the good in the US (practically everything they do is revenue generation, most obviously drug busts and speed limit enforcement, but many other things indirectly). I guess I need to back up and start with the basics.

>>18259834
Antifa got better organization, while Occupy was basically people who were angry about "this and that." So it's easy to deal with them with shock and awe tactics aka. beat them up until they go back to work.

>>18259853
I used it as an example because the FBI made it clear on who you can and can not speak against. I can change Antifa with BLM and nothing would or has changed. Certain groups are allowed to exist and others aren't.

>>18259385
Are those weird/out there/uncommon views?
I'm not into politics really and I agree with it.

>>18259465
This makes alot of sence, yes. Nigga just put life into a paragraph

>>18259809
>>18259834
>>18259860
Is the FBI the most comically ineffective law enforcement agency in history?
>Embarrassed themselves trying to blackmail MLK into killing himself
>Embarrassed themselves by letting an agent sell classified information to the Russians for over 20 years, because there's no such thing as oversight in law enforcement
>Embarrassed themselves giving free guns to drug cartels by "accident"
>Embarrassed themselves by operating a child porn site for over two weeks, upgrading it, advertising it, and still failing to get a single conviction to stick
>Embarrassed themselves throwing a shitfit and calling Apple child molesters (seriously, the FBI has an unhealthy fixation on pedophiles. I'm all for locking baby rapers away forever, but this shit is just ridiculous) for refusing to unlock an iPhone owned by a domestic terrorist who had nothing to do with child abuse in any way
>Embarrassed themselves by melting a baby's face with a flashbang thrown into its cradle during a raid that resulted in no convictions due to an illegal warrant apparently rubber stamped by a smocked monkey
Has the FBI ever managed to do anything right?

>>18259912
>operating a child porn site for over two weeks, upgrading it
>upgrading it
Holy kek, got a link?

>>18259915
Just Google "playpen", there's all sorts of info about it.