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I think I might be one of those guys who's interesting and

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I think I might be one of those guys who's interesting and all but just doesn't give off that sexual vibe. I can hold a conversation and I'm a pretty interesting guy and I might even be charming from time to time but often times I feel so unappealing sexually.
Girls and neckbeards pretending to be female: how does one give off more "sexual" vibes, for the lack of a better term. I'm getting back into physical shape, as I'm sure that'll help with the issue and confidence.
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>>18233215
Body language and a good body. I just start getting closer to my chick and looking her up and down. I have open body language when I do this.

I also dress in clothes that fit well and have been lifting weights for a while plus I'm tall. Henleys are the go to sexy shirt when you have man cleavage and shoulders.

Really you just let yourself go and your lizard brain will take over. I'll impulsively start touching or getting closer.
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I'm asexual, but my body type and face seem to have that "sexual vibe". People hit on me often, girls do me random favors without me asking etc Other guys just assume I must be slaying mad pussy, I'll get unprovoked questions about whether I've fucked girls of this or that race. So yeah "sexual vibe" is a bullshit way of saying somebody fits certain physical criteria.
I'm not out as asexual (which I believe to be a disorder, not an actual orientation), and the stress of having to pretend I'm a red-blooded male has led me to stop seeking human interaction. Even if I dropped the act, what the hell would I discuss with all the normies? It's all sex this sex that. I made this about myself wow I'm an asshole I guess. Whatever.
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Flirting. It's literally what flirting is for, to put yourself on the radar as a potential sexual partner.

There is nothing weird about girls not spontaneously looking at you as someone they would like to fuck, especially if you have an eye on pretty girls who have guys lining up for them. Most guys have a period where puberty has hit and they are thirsty as fuck, but they can't get any pussy. This in combination with knowing that it's their designated role to "win over" a girl, makes most of them look at every girl (no matter how fleeting) in a sexual way and establish whether or not they're potentially interested.
For girls this is not the case. In plenty of individual cases, especially girls who had a womanly body early on, it's rather the other way around: before you even really start having sexual thoughts, guys push themselves on you. That doesn't encourage you to develop your sexuality and discover everything you might find attractive, it makes you be on your guard and learn how to deflect unwanted attention and how to cope with (potentially) wanted attention. Only the more average/below average girls don't have the luxury of dealing with guys already showing interest (even if this isn't always straight up asking them out), and even they - because of Disney etc - typically need some time before they realize, oh shit, the perfect guy isn't going to approach me out of nowhere.

So if you're a fine but normal looking dude a girl isn't instantly going to wonder what you'd be like to fuck or whether you'd make a good boyfriend. This is why you learn to flirt (tease her, make jokes sexual enough to turn her mind that way and implicit enough to leave her wondering, single her out with inside jokes or tongue in cheek nicknames, touch her with any excuse etc etc) to nudge her into realizing that you are a sexual being and looking at her that way and you are kind of charmed by what you see.
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>>18233269
It's also a way to show off another kind of appeal. Looks are one thing, but sexiness spans a lot more than that. It's sexy if someone is self-assured in the bedroom, sexy if they are at ease with their sexuality and what they like, sexy if they know how to play with the psychological tension of attraction and not just put dick in pussy. These are things you can let her glimpse by fucking around with her, making cheeky comments, making her squirm with slightly uncomfortable banter. Obviously what I am talking about is social interaction and not something you can just learn with following ten steps or anything. You need to get lots of practice to develop an intuition for how far you can push, read from the tiniest clues whether she's flustered and so on. You want to assert yourself as someone who is interesting and charming but who can also get her riled up, make her feel stuff beyond mild amusement (or anything mild, really).

>>18233258
No doubt you look good but it is rare for young guys to be able to interact with (especially hot) girls without being too eager to please and/or nervous in the way they treat them, there is too much at stake for them to be optimally relaxed. Your indifference looks like supreme confidence in yourself to someone none the wiser. It is also much easier to be funny, interesting and so on if you don't feel pressured by the social situation.
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>>18233245
I'm tall too but pretty skinny. It must suck to be short and ugly cause I think being tall is one of the few physical things I got going for myself.
What do you mean by body language?
>>18233269
>flirting
That makes sense I guess. I was thinking of more non-verbal things though
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>>18233297
I mean standing like you are comfortable. No crossed arms, no hands in pockets.
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>>18233297
I agree with the body language and good posture. Important. Also take care to dress well (no baggy clothes with holes in them etc).

But other than that, there isn't really much you can do to give off a sexual vibe. Women are not as visual as men are, there's no male equivalent to wearing cleavage if that's what you are thinking of. Women find men sexy because of how they look, how they act towards them (flirting as I mentioned) or how they are (successful/rich, talented, having an adventurous life with unique hobbies, great sense of humor, lots of insight on a variety of topics, being able to tell stories well etc). That's it.
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>>18233323
There literally is a male equivalent. Man cleavage is a thing.

If you don't lift weigjts you aren't going to be very visually sexy.
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>>18233245
>>18233245
>Really you just let yourself go and your lizard brain will take over
h-how do I let go? I think I have a real problem with this
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>>18233352
Still women are not going to universally fantasize about that the way men do about motorboating a cleavage. Besides OP already mentioned he isn't visibly fit right now.
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>>18233368
Chicks generally grab my pecs. I've had it happen at bars before.
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>>18233363
Your testosterone should force it to happen.
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>>18233373
Sure, if you have a ripped body with an at least nice face you are pretty much in the top category of what is conventionally attractive for a man. If you go to a place where there's alcohol you can get attention. I'm not saying that women give zero shits about this stuff.

I am saying that they don't care -as much- about this visual aspect as men do. Even just looking how much less pictures there are of hot shirtless/undressed men as eye candy for women as opposed to men shows this difference. Or how many actors that look non-traditional or downright goofy (have you objectively studied Cumberbatch's or Alan Rickman's face?) are seen as smoldering hot. That's because compared to men they care more about other aspects than the strictly visual.

If OP has a great body then yes, it would be silly not to show it off with tight fitting clothes. But he already mentioned he doesn't right now, and my only claim was that there is no single thing that will a woman have sexual thoughts about a man as instantly as dressing quite provocatively does for a woman the other way around.
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>>18233388
Neither of those guys get cast in the role of ladies man like Brad Pitt or Gosling would. Alan Rickman has a kick ass voice, like Vin Deisel does. Both of yhose guys are liked by nerdy chicks with low self esteem anyway.

Obviously actions speak louder. But you'd have to be stupid to not lift weights.
It gets you attention on the front end.
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>>18233413
>>18233413
>>18233373
was there a time where you weren't ripped? Just curious if you've had a before/after experience
definitely going to start lifting again since being tall and being jacked must feel great
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>>18233413
Because they don't look like believable studs to the movie directors or because they fear backlash from part of the public who does not see their appeal. Plenty of written porn about Cumberbatch's Sherlock character, that is written by women based on personal fantasy and not by men trying to please as many people as possible.

>liked by nerdy chicks with low self esteem
"Cumberbatch sexy" landed me ~124.000 google search results, "Alan Rickman sexy" 108.000... that's not just a niche group of whatever kind of girls.

Besides these are hardly the only examples. Leonard Cohen was arguably the most famous ladies' man of the past century in terms of reputation (both for being a sex symbol and allegedly having had tons of sex partners).
Maybe in some of these situations the combination of objectively amazing looks AND their personal qualities would've made it even better. But in many cases, if the choice is between unique personal qualities (like the way Cumberbatch can portray an easily romanticized quirky genius, Rickman's voice and demeanor, Cohen's erotic poetics) outweighs bare looks for raw sex appeal.
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>>18233437
I'm not even that ripped. Yeah, I was a skinny kid into music with long hair. Skinny jeans and band tees. I have good bone structure so girls liked me then too. Then I started lifting, got a bit leaner, dressed better, and then chicks really liked me. Chicks introduce themselves to me at bars a lot. I had a girl sit come and sit on my lap at the last party I went to.

It's not that great because those chicks are usually vapid and stupid. You still have to work to find a chick with good values. And another problem is that girls always think you're cheating on them and never extend trust easily.
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>>18233451
OP here: i'd have gone gay for leonard no homo.
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>>18233459
God, tell me about it. If I could fuck anyone ever my only remaining doubt what be what age to go for. (Or would a threesome/orgy with multiple Leonards from different walks of life technically not count as more than one person?!)
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Your welcome.
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>>18233471
Why? His voice is dogshit
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>>18233501
I like his voice as well, I mean, he's not a great singer by any stretch but it's quite deep and masculine, and the way he sings (especially in his most bare songs, like Tonight Will Be Fine or Take This Longing) it's so natural (also because he kind of talk-sings) that it's like he is a lover whispering in your ear instead of an artist doing a performance. You can hear some slips of breathing/swallowing/laughter here and there, it feels like flesh and blood compared to overproduced music.

But apart from that, it's most two reasons for me: firstly because his songs/poems and comments on love and sexuality in interviews are really erotic. With that I mean not just sexy but tense, he pays a lot of attention to the sort of power dynamic between two people not being sure whether they will make it or end up together, the emotional vulnerability, the little details you don't notice with a random hot woman but you do with someone you love. It's a perspective that is rare to see from men, so often when they talk about sex it's like a charicature, it's all about fucking and filling up bitches, or it's sugary sweet unrealistic stuff like John Mayer love songs. With Cohen you can tell that he's loved and lost, that he has hated and desired individual women, that he's fucked others over and has been fucked over. It's not a trope with him.
Also once more, to have a man confidently go into making love and the wonder of falling in love isn't incredibly common, it's almost feminine the way he can dwell on those vulnerable feelings and the contrast between that and his masculine appearance and the temper and bitterness that shows in other songs is really... "dirty" kind of, like somewhat the opposite of a dainty woman who turns out to be wild and kinky in the bedroom.
And he sincerely loved women, speaks with respect and affection about them.
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>>18233516
>that it's like he is a lover whispering in your ear
very well put. Thanks for articulating why lenny was the boy with the golden voice
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[spoiler]>>18233516
And the second is that he was on all accounts a very talented (I love his poetry and novels as well), intelligent person with a strong personality, a strong moral code, a big heart, a variety of interests. He has quite insightful comments on stuff ranging from sex to drugs, religion, politics, introspection and growing older... he even had a very personal style when it came to dressing.
The fact that it's a well-rounded person, someone who is in many ways is very respectable, intellectually inclined, looks like a completely ordinary Jewish man, but so elaborately shows off his carnal desires and sexual memories also makes it much more intense. Like knowing just how decent and cultures he is in other ways makes the sexual part all the more animalistic.

Thought of something else as I'm typing this, the way he sings to women in some songs (notably Suzanne and Take This Longing) also really embodies the kind of mystical appeal that women according to literature sometimes have to men but no woman actually really identifies with. (Kind of hard for even the most gorgeous woman, if you know what your farts smell like after you ate x or y food.) I think many female fantasies for a big part rely on feeling desired, seeing the powers that you evoke in your lover, and he really drives home that feeling of (as he'd say himself) longing. And to top it off, it's not just desire for said woman because she's hot, but because she's hot and intrigues him, because he likes the way she looks and how she moves or has her little rituals, it's a blend of physical and psychological desire that isn't represented as commonly as either completely sexual desire or completely romantic desire. While in real life they so often go hand in hand.

Hopefully this gives you an idea.
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>>18233527
Thanks, I feel like he just puts something of himself in his songs that others can't. It really bothers me when people say Hallelujah is sung much better by others as well, no one does it as heartfelt and anguished as he did.

As a sidenote, there's a lot of sly humor in his books and in The Favorite Game he details climbing in a tree as a child and screaming (I think "fuck God", as a dare) and suddenly becoming aware of his voice, feeling it's special and all... with the sort of susceptibility to being singled out or something magical happening that many kids have. And climbing down to his childhood friend, saying that there's something special about his voice, who just deadpans "no there isn't" (in his "oh god, he's gotten something else into his head now" way).
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>>18233543
>mystical appeal that women according to literature sometimes have to men but no woman actually really identifies with.
can you go more into detail?
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>>18233215

Literally every girl I've ever spent any real amount of time with, has at some point called me some variation of "sweet".

I remember back in my early college days, a girl once told me I was like a perfect "boyscout".

And those same kind of "non-sexual" vibes stuck around me until I was about 22, when I started to just stop caring about attention from women. And then for some reason I started getting more of it (I'm decent looking. I'd attention, but it'd never go anywhere).

By 23, I met a girl. We became friends, and at some point I realized i'd fallen head over heels for her. I worked up my courage in a way that I'd never done before, decided to get 100% all out and took a shot.

Resulted in my first kiss.

But then I absolutely spilled spaghetti. Part of me KNEW i was being crazy, but I kind of couldn't help myself, and part of me said... eh... have no regrets this time.

So of course she shut me down.

After that, I felt kind of free. I was absolutely crushed, but I learned that being crushed like that felt WAAAY better than the toxic feeling of regret. From that moment on, I truly started giving absolutely zero fucks when it came to dealing with women.

I started treating them like normal people.

I started flirting because it was funny, and an extension of my natural personality. I was always the hyper polite type of person, and I liked paying compliments, and I also had a very dry sense of humor. I'd just start paying almost borderline over-the-top compliments and wordplay, that almost sounded like it was a joke, with a dry smile on my face, and it worked because you could and couldn't kind of tell that i both was, and wasn't at all being serious when I did it.

From that point on, for some reason I took on a massively sexual vibe.

In the words of a friend, it's directly because I'm obviously a guy who's genuinely considerate, but I also obviously don't give a fuck about what other think of me, and just do what I do. Which made it hot.
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